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Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 00:52
For my birthday my dad is going to help me build a computer ( and by help I mean pay for a lot of the stuff ) so I made my way over to newegg.com to browse around, but I really didn't know what I should get.

After reading in a thread I found this


E8400
4gig Corsair Dominator
780i
8800gt or gt or ultra
750w power supply
antec 900 case

www.newegg.com



Good list except the 8800-part. ATI 4850 or 4870 is the way to go.

great prices

So basically I am going with this, a specific power supply wasn't given, but I think I picked out a good one.
I also am confident that I picked out a good harddrive.

Here are links to all the parts.

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145197

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141005

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021&Tpk=antec%20900

Harddrive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148298

Videocard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113

So, does this sound like a pretty good gaming computer? And are there better deals that I could get? Also, What OS should I run on it, gaming-wise?

greeneggsnoham
09-03-2008, 01:30
Why does no one every post the CPU fan?

Don't forget to order one.

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 01:33
Why does no one every post the CPU fan?

Don't forget to order one.

heatsink and fan are included

Odium
09-03-2008, 01:34
Why does no one every post the CPU fan?

Don't forget to order one.

Unless you're overclocking i really don't see the need for anything other than the stock cpu heatsink/fan.

Amity
09-03-2008, 01:36
use two heatsinks at the same time for lulz

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 01:38
use two heatsinks at the same time for lulz

lulz.

Seriously what can I do to make this thing better/lower price

Odium
09-03-2008, 01:45
lulz.

Seriously what can I do to make this thing better/lower price

If you aren't paying for it who cares how low the price is. Anyway, I'd probably go with a nvidia card instead of an ATI. I'm very behind in the times but last i checked, ATI wasn't doing so well. If you want to save money then just re-use whatever case you have. If you still want a new case, get a Lian Li case. I love those cases so much.

strayfe
09-03-2008, 01:47
You should get this. Asus P5ND, Q6600, Ati 4850, 4gigs, 600watt Psu, 64Bit Vista. That will make you fast :D

Wickfield
09-03-2008, 01:48
what's it costing total?

Eldaran
09-03-2008, 01:48
the intel Core 2 Duo E6850 @ 3.0ghz is pretty cheap and an awesome Chip. It's what I've had for almost a year now.

The GeForce 8800GTS 512mb is under $200 right now and is an awesome video card.

Wickfield
09-03-2008, 01:50
Also, are you cannibalizing a cd/dvd from your old rig?

Fudgy_Neeples
09-03-2008, 01:50
You might also want to get a CD/DVD drive. Also, i would get dual 9800 gtx+ and put them in sli since your motherboard is beastly.(Each one costs less than $200,it doesn't overheat unlike the radeons and performs the same as a radeon 4850.

Links :
Power Supply Antecs one of the best (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371009)

Nvidia 9800 GTX+ (169.99 After rebate with free shipping) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130376)

CD/DVD Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106261)

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 01:56
well for what I have up there right now it is $1170.

I want it to cost around 900 or so dollars because If it's any higher my dad might not pay for all of it

I also have a good cd drive I have lying around

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 01:59
You might also want to get a CD/DVD drive. Also, i would get dual 9800 gtx+ and put them in sli since your motherboard is beastly.(Each one costs less than $200,it doesn't overheat unlike the radeons and performs the same as a radeon 4850.

Links :
Power Supply Antecs one of the best (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371009)

Nvidia 9800 GTX+ (169.99 After rebate with free shipping) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130376)

CD/DVD Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106261)

k i substituted that power supply, have a cd/dvd drive already, and 2 9800gtx's is too costly

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 02:01
If you aren't paying for it who cares how low the price is. Anyway, I'd probably go with a nvidia card instead of an ATI. I'm very behind in the times but last i checked, ATI wasn't doing so well. If you want to save money then just re-use whatever case you have. If you still want a new case, get a Lian Li case. I love those cases so much.

My case is way too small for my plans. And i think ill just stick with the case i have now, but i might rethink the videocard, if somebody can tell me what the best ratio of performance to price

Fudgy_Neeples
09-03-2008, 02:09
k i substituted that power supply, have a cd/dvd drive already, and 2 9800gtx's is too costly

Your video card should be all right with your Antec 900 case since it comes with lots of stock fans I guess. It's probably the only card around 250$ other than the nvidia gtx 260 which is worse. It you're not going to do sli, there's no point in getting your $200 motherboard. Just get like this motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135093) and this ram (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184) to lower your price under $1000.

Eldaran
09-03-2008, 02:12
Seriously for a videocard get an 8800 GTS 512 or an 8800GT 512. They are both under $200 and most likely perform the same if not better than that Radeon you have listed.

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 02:13
Your video card should be all right with your Antec 900 case since it comes with lots of stock fans I guess. It's probably the only card around 250$. It you're not going to do sli, there's no point in getting your $270 motherboard. Just get like this motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135093) and this ram (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184) to lower your price under $1000.

Yeah now that you mention it what is the point of having an sli motherboard if i wont be using it. and alright i will go with that ram, thanks you just saved me 200$!

maybe a future computer that I build will have an sli configuration, but for now Its more of a learning experience. and I figure I should be able to play a lot of games with high settings with this computer, right? (newer games anyway)

Kurian
09-03-2008, 02:13
Yeah, Odium is completely wrong. ATI pretty much dominates NVIDIA now. Go look at the ATI 4850.

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 02:14
Seriously for a videocard get an 8800 GTS 512 or an 8800GT 512. They are both under $200 and most likely perform the same if not better than that Radeon you have listed.

are you sure?


Yeah, Odium is completely wrong. ATI pretty much dominates NVIDIA now. Go look at the ATI 4850.

I have the ati 4870 up there already, unless the 4850 is better, or unless I am mistaken

Fudgy_Neeples
09-03-2008, 02:16
Yeah, Odium is completely wrong. ATI pretty much dominates NVIDIA now. Go look at the ATI 4850.

Actually the Nvidia 9800 GTX+ is better than the Radeon 4850. Same price, same performance results (Each one performs better than each other in some games). However, the GTX+ doesn't burn out since it doesn't overheat like the 4850. The 4870 a bit better the GX2 and the 260 I think so it's a better choice if your looking for like a $250 card.



Seriously for a videocard get an 8800 GTS 512 or an 8800GT 512. They are both under $200 and most likely perform the same if not better than that Radeon you have listed.

are you sure?
Don't listen to him. The 9800 GTX+ and your radeon 4870 and the 4850 is better than both those 8800 and 8800 are becoming a little outdated. No point in getting them right now.


Yeah, Odium is completely wrong. ATI pretty much dominates NVIDIA now. Go look at the ATI 4850.


I have the ati 4870 up there already, unless the 4850 is better, or unless I am mistaken
This guy is also wrong since only the 4870 is better than the Nvidia counterpart.

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 02:19
Actually the Nvidia 9800 GTX+ is better than the Radeon 4850. Same price, same performance results (Each one performs better than each other in some games). However, the GTX+ doesn't burn out since it doesn't overheat like the 4850. The 4870 a bit better the GX2 and the 260 I think so it's a better choice if your looking for like a $250 card.

Ok I have a question how come there is the same card (4870) but with like 3 different names?? Different companies manufacturing them or what? Are they the same?

Fudgy_Neeples
09-03-2008, 02:23
Ok I have a question how come there is the same card (4870) but with like 3 different names?? Different companies manufacturing them or what? Are they the same?

I'm not sure about that. I just think it's just to differentiate between the sellers. They're all the same card unless the seller overclocked it or changed the fan on it. Don't quote me on that though.

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 02:27
I'm not sure about that. I just think it's just to differentiate between the sellers. They're all the same card unless the seller overclocked it or changed the fan on it. Don't quote me on that though.

Alright as long as it's the same card, I've been wondering about that for a while.
Hey as long as you are answering my questions what the heck is the timing thing for RAM? And also will everything I buy come with instructions on what hooks up where? I mean I know where to stick RAM and a videocard at but I have no clue where to plug the PSU into or anything.

Fudgy_Neeples
09-03-2008, 02:37
Alright as long as it's the same card, I've been wondering about that for a while.
Hey as long as you are answering my questions what the heck is the timing thing for RAM?

Do you mean the numbers such as the 800 next to yours? Its just how fast it is but you should only buy the speed your motherboard supports. Higher the number, the better. 800 is a good speed for gaming and it's cheap too.


And also will everything I buy come with instructions on what hooks up where? I mean I know where to stick RAM and a videocard at but I have no clue where to plug the PSU into or anything.

Some come with instructions and others don't. Just look up how to do it like on here. (http://www.ehow.com/information_1013-computer-hardware.html)

There's a video example here. (http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=HowStuffWorks&search_query=how%20to%20build%20a%20comp uter) Got it from another forumfaller and it's a pretty good tutorial.

Jathen
09-03-2008, 02:38
Here is my build so far, how does it look? Anything I can do to make it cheaper and not lose much performance? And is everything compatible? (My first build)

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=8329031

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 02:39
Do you mean the numbers such as the 800 next to yours? Its just how fast it is but you should only buy the speed your motherboard supports. Higher the number, the better. 800 is a good speed for gaming and it's cheap too.



Some come with instructions and others don't. Just look up how to do it like on here. (http://www.ehow.com/information_1013-computer-hardware.html)

There's a video example here. (http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=HowStuffWorks&search_query=how%20to%20build%20a%20comp uter) Got it from another forumfaller and it's a pretty good tutorial.

Nah I meant the 5-5-5-18 thing, and thanks for the links.
also what the heck is an optical drive

Wickfield
09-03-2008, 02:49
Nah I meant the 5-5-5-18 thing, and thanks for the links.
also what the heck is an optical drive

optical drive=cd/dvd drive

It's name has something to do with the laser reading technology.

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 02:52
optical drive=cd/dvd drive

It's name has something to do with the laser reading technology.

ah ok

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 02:59
Ok last question: What OS should I get? Windows XP 64 bit?

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 04:15
4870 or 9800 GTX+ ?

yamisniper
09-03-2008, 04:31
Seriously for a videocard get an 8800 GTS 512 or an 8800GT 512. They are both under $200 and most likely perform the same if not better than that Radeon you have listed.

LMAO ati 4850 kills them 2 cards

yamisniper
09-03-2008, 04:32
4870 or 9800 GTX+ ?

4870 is faster but more pricy i think?

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 04:39
4870 is faster but more pricy i think?

yeah about 80 dollars more, think it's worth it? plus 4870 is slightly smaller.

Salaman
09-03-2008, 04:41
The four numbers for RAM timings refer to how fast the memory initially responds to requests for data(lower is faster/better, but clock speed is more important)

For OS if you're buying a new one might as well get Vista x64 if you ask me.

For the video card, the 4870 is probably the best cost/performance high end card atm.

Only other suggestion is you could probably get a cheaper motherboard and still be fine. You're paying extra for things like 3x SLI and RAID that need multiple video cards (for SLI) or multiple hard drives (for RAID) to take advantage of.

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 04:43
The four numbers for RAM timings refer to how fast the memory initially responds to requests for data(lower is faster/better, but clock speed is more important)

For OS if you're buying a new one might as well get Vista x64 if you ask me.

For the video card, the 4870 is probably the best cost/performance high end card atm.

Only other suggestion is you could probably get a cheaper motherboard and still be fine. You're paying extra for things like 3x SLI and RAID that need multiple video cards (for SLI) or multiple hard drives (for RAID) to take advantage of.

Hmm I may or may not get vista, and I will probably stick with the 4870 too then, but could you recommend me a motherboard?

Salaman
09-03-2008, 05:10
I hear good things about this ASUS board (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131295)

You might also want to consider this gigabyte one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128345) if you want to go even cheaper. (last two computers I built used an asus and a gigabyte without any issues so I consider them reliable brands for now)

Behhemoth
09-03-2008, 05:16
thanks man, think ill go with the gigabyte one. Having a hard time deciding between the 4870 and the 9800GTX+, I guess it all depends on how much my dad is willing to spend.

I'm so excited to start putting this thing toghether!