How are government is treating are troops for their heroism.

[palo god]

This honestly makes me sick and pisses me off at the same time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xefY_u2JIVc&feature=email)

[Legatosoren]

It looks like someone needs to be Zeitgeisted.

[palo god]

It looks like someone needs to be Zeitgeisted.

Did you even watch the video?

[Marrik]

that is so fucked up, but it doesnt surprise me that much.

[Legatosoren]

Did you even watch the video?

Of course I watched the video.

Did you watch this (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/) video?

[epicor]

wow, im kinda pissed now. thanks for ruining my weekend

[TheHardProblem]

o u r

[Caffy]

That's some really shitty stuff they're pulling.

[palo god]

Of course I watched the video.

Did you watch this (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/) video?

Yes actually.

[Layedballer]

This makes me sicker and more pissed off than the video.
How are government is treating are troops for their heroism.
>ARE
ARE =/= OUR

[Lethn]

This is why tax cuts are a load of shit, I think it's about time people started thinking realistically, load of bullshit, if the government were actually providing that stuff they'd be doing it right.

[palo god]

o u r

You're so cool now that you caught me on that typo, do you feel special now? do you want some zebracakes (http://i1.bebo.com/041b/13/mediuml/2008/02/23/18/4768728322a6975568874ml.jpg) as a reward for winning the spelling bee that never existed (http://www.noobstore.com/prodimages/tshirt-m-gtfo-Green-art-280.gif)?

[Shadowcreep]

Heroism? Hahaha...

When you sign up, you are a number. Your purpose is to kill and die for your country, and if you get promoted, you get to do the paperwork that follows.

[palo god]

This makes me sicker and more pissed off than the video.
How are government is treating are troops for their heroism.
>ARE
ARE =/= OUR

Its a fucking typo, and if that makes you more pissed then the video you're an un-American piece of shit.

Also, who the fuck are you?

[Entreri]

o u r

This. Lol not surprising though.

Also, anyone notice every Halliburton/KBR employee was fat as hell? That a job requirement or something?

The video isn't really surprising. You are talking about a company Cheney used to be part of. You really think they were chosen to be there because they were best for the job?

[Killuminati]

only retards say "un-american"

[Dragonfly]

I stopped watching when that dude started to cry.

"Pussy," I said out loud as I simultaneously closed the video.

[palo god]

only retards say "un-american"

Only communists say only retards say un-American .

[Jackhowitzer]

Yeah, Haliburton makes me sick, I believe the government is currently investigating them.

[Killuminati]

Only communists say only retards say un-American .

You are the reason why I'm ashamed to be a RP supporter.

[palo god]

You are the reason why I'm ashamed to be a RP supporter.

You are the reason I'm ashamed of humanity, if you are ashamed to be a Ron Paul supporter then you don't deserve to be one.

[Killuminati]

You are the reason I'm ashamed of humanity, if you are ashamed to be a Ron Paul supporter then you don't deserve to be one.

Yah, I'm ashamed of humanity as well.. lets make a club.

[LordTenacious]

Politics on gaming forums are High-lair-ious.

[Eclipso]

The conversation you two are having is very Un- american. you may as well whipe your ass with their flag

OT.... And its surprising that a company with government contracts is wasting tax £ how?
It happens in every country, if the department dont spend the budget it gets cut the next year so they waste it.

[Someone]

Like that's news. I heard stories years ago how Iraqi companies that could do the reconstruction work for a tenth of the price Haliburton and others demand were denied the contracts, and it's not like the Iraqi companies didn't have the experience or expertise, they had already rebuilt the infrastructure of the country from the previous war. Honestly it's stuff like that that makes me doubt capitalism from time to time.

[Jackhowitzer]

Like that's news. I heard stories years ago how Iraqi companies that could do the reconstruction work for a tenth of the price Haliburton and others demand were denied the contracts, and it's not like the Iraqi companies didn't have the experience or expertise, they had already rebuilt the infrastructure of the country from the previous war. Honestly it's stuff like that that makes me doubt capitalism from time to time.

Yeah that movie that the OP linked to was from '06, and I believe there's been a few major changes since than. If not, whoops?

[epicor]

Yeah, Haliburton makes me sick, I believe the government is currently investigating them.

yeah, the investigations consist of W asking cheney how the bently is running. oh, you didnt know cheney was the CEO of halliburton?

[Weeking]

Stupid Americans deserved to lose all their money for reelecting Cheney (Halliburtun).

[Lindorn]

Politics on gaming forums are High-lair-ious.

A guy who walt'z onto Darkfall OT and makes a snide comment about "politics on gaming forums" after several years of the section being a one stop shop for almost all of the worlds news, and a heated political debate on each individual topic,

is "high-lair-ious"

[palo god]

Stupid Americans deserved to lose all their money for reelecting Cheney (Halliburtun).

If you weren't retarded you would know that the American people don't elect their vice president, the president chooses his vp.

[Killuminati]

A guy who walt'z onto Darkfall OT and makes a snide comment about "politics on gaming forums" after several years of the section being a one stop shop for almost all of the worlds news, and a heated political debate on each individual topic,

is "high-lair-ious"

Seriously, I rarely have to go to CNN for my news or anything. I even get stuff most people will never get. Like children being born looking like octopus and people kidnapping each other because of second life affairs.

[Lindorn]

Like children being born looking like octopus and people kidnapping each other because of second life affairs.

Lol no joke!

Marrik provides all of the underground news. Indian child born with 4 heads. Myspace emo kid rapes dog then commits suicide...etc etc.

[Weeking]

If you weren't retarded you would know that the American people don't elect their vice president, the president chooses his vp.

In a way they do, because they always? chose them ahead of the election and he kept the same guy from the last term anyway.

[Gloomrender]

A guy who walt'z onto Darkfall OT and makes a snide comment about "politics on gaming forums" after several years of the section being a one stop shop for almost all of the worlds news, and a heated political debate on each individual topic,

is "high-lair-ious"

Ya, just reading this forum is a good way to become more educated about politics. Before this forum I knew practically nothing about politics. I'm not a guru of politics, but now I have an intermediate understanding of it, at least.

Btw OP way to rip off a documentary instead of linking to the full video of it.

[blemm]

heated political debate

I'd say it's less "heated political debate" and more "the text form of politically themed, fatty, pee porn".

[Infliction]

You're so cool now that you caught me on that typo, do you feel special now? do you want some zebracakes (http://i1.bebo.com/041b/13/mediuml/2008/02/23/18/4768728322a6975568874ml.jpg) as a reward for winning the spelling bee that never existed (http://www.noobstore.com/prodimages/tshirt-m-gtfo-Green-art-280.gif)?

Sir, FUCK YOU. Bringing zebracakes into this was overboard.

[Rahavin]

Of course I watched the video.

Did you watch this (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/) video?

Nice. A zeitgeister.

You do know that the entire movie aside from the religion have been debunked?

[Taroth]

Makes me sick. No one deserves to be fucked over like that, let alone our troops.

[Spankytwo]

Ooh Canada...

[pyrow]

This is why the war is bad and we need our troops out now. Wasting billions of dollars a month FOR NO REASON. Nobody seems to understand that... this video will help you incoherent people realize why its a waste to be there.

[Titus Ultor]

This is why the war is bad and we need our troops out now. Wasting billions of dollars a month FOR NO REASON. Nobody seems to understand that... this video will help you incoherent people realize why its a waste to be there.

We're winning though, and there's trillions of dollars of oil with our name on it.

[Vanno]

This makes me sicker and more pissed off than the video.
How are government is treating are troops for their heroism.
>ARE
ARE =/= OUR

Are you having a nervous breakdown? That reads like a computer error.

This is why tax cuts are a load of shit, I think it's about time people started thinking realistically, load of bullshit, if the government were actually providing that stuff they'd be doing it right.

Nah, this exemplifies why corporations don't provide realistic solutions to war, specifically because war is not a market good. A lot of the money we do spend on military actually goes to subsidize these very groups.

[Vexrak]

Yeah, Haliburton makes me sick, I believe the government is currently investigating them.

Don't expect justice to be done. Remember Dick Cheney is their ally and he will probably prevent much from happening to them.

[Vexrak]

We're winning though, and there's trillions of dollars of oil with our name on it.

LOL you are a fool sir. We could have bought every drop of oil in Iraq for the next 100 years for less then the price of this war cost us AND we wouldn't have had to waste and destroy american lives.

IF you really think this war will pay for itself, you are so far out of your mind i am not even going to bother trying to reason with you.

[Nefastus]

I didn't watch the video since I can't at work.

I wouldn't be complaining the treatment of military personnel in US. Seriously, not only US has probably the most advanced and funded military in the world, they also live in almost luxury, compared to the rest of the world. I know that at least Air Force and Army, when deployed, live like in a paradise with their air conditioned bases with pools, recreational areas, shops and such.

Go try out for example Russian military which almost like a prison. The conditions and hazing is so bad that there are numerous cases each year of new recruits having their limbs and nut sacks amputated due to gangrene infections caused by haze beatings.

[Kuri]

We're winning though, and there's trillions of dollars of oil with our name on it.

Better hope there is more than 12-15 trillion dollars in it, seeing as we have that in debt,..we might break even.

[Weeking]

I didn't watch the video since I can't at work.

I wouldn't be complaining the treatment of military personnel in US. Seriously, not only US has probably the most advanced and funded military in the world, they also live in almost luxury, compared to the rest of the world. I know that at least Air Force and Army, when deployed, live like in a paradise with their air conditioned bases with pools, recreational areas, shops and such.

Go try out for example Russian military which almost like a prison. The conditions and hazing is so bad that there are numerous cases each year of new recruits having their limbs and nut sacks amputated due to gangrene infections caused by haze beatings.

The video is about how the contractors are wasting money because they get refunded all their cost and get a percentage profit based on how much money they spend, so f ex if they replace a truck because it has a flat tire, they earn money. And there's some other examples about how halliburton didn't add chorine to the shower water and they might have gotten sick from it without even knowing it all the while Halliburton managers are living in luxury on the government's money with their overcharged luxury cars they don't even need.

[palo god]

The video is about how the contractors are wasting money because they get refunded all their cost and get a percentage profit based on how much money they spend, so f ex if they replace a truck because it has a flat tire, they earn money. And there's some other examples about how halliburton didn't add chorine to the shower water and they might have gotten sick from it without even knowing it all the while Halliburton managers are living in luxury on the government's money with their overcharged luxury cars they don't even need.

You pretty much said what I was going to say before I said it.

[Layedballer]

Its a fucking typo, and if that makes you more pissed then the video you're an un-American piece of shit.

Also, who the fuck are you?

I'm layedballer? And I take it you are palo god? Nice to meet you

[palo god]

I'm layedballer? And I take it you are palo god? Nice to meet you
When you enlist in the military you shouldn't expect to be treated any better than shit. I'm surprised that people are surprised that this happens but it does.
It pisses me off but I never expected anything better anyhow. Look at Vietnam vets for an example of why

This kind of shit should never happen and the company staff that didn’t report this and the people who were in charge need to be charged with fraud and treason for what they are doing to are troops.

[Kheiron]

It doesn't surprise me at all that this happens in a capitalist democracy.
Maybe you fellas should try Utilitarianism for a change?

[Lindorn]

It doesn't surprise me at all that this happens in a country where corporations break the law. Maybe you fellas should try out our type of....oh wait...they do that here too

fixt

[Kamixox]

Sounds to me like some neglected soldiers, poor and/or upset workers just being a little pissed off at a corporation. Big deal, this shit happens all the time.

[palo god]

Sounds to me like some neglected soldiers, poor and/or upset workers just being a little pissed off at a corporation. Big deal, this shit happens all the time.

It is a "big deal", these fuck heads are giving are troops diseased water and crappy living conditions that are making them contract series health conditions and are using the rest of the funds to live like kings(literally), also they keep breaking their own shit so they get more money from the government(our money).

[Marrik]

them deliberately ordering the wrong fucking equipment so that they can burn it and claim it as a loss so that they make more money, burning expensive military vehicles because they have a flat tire, and charging the government a hundred dollars for doing a piss-poor job of WASHING FUCKING CLOTHES is a big deal.


ITS A VERY FUCKING BIG DEAL.


this war has been mind bogglingly expensive, and you know why? because KBR makes more profit in the end if they intentionally blow billions of tax payer dollars out their ass. think about this shit for a second, and THEN tell me its not a big deal. and if you do, you are a fucking moron.




and palo, its "our money" not "are money". it sounds similar when spoken, but the word is 'our'

[Kamixox]

Oh yes, of course it is a "big deal", especially when people are actually dying in other parts of the world, bunch of nations acting like assholes toward the western nations with threats of nuclear technology, terrorists blowing up people in the states, the U.S. facing a major debt. And various other problems that may lead the nation to chaos in the next few generations.

The fact is that you won't be able to solve these problems, before the higher problems are solved first.

People are now a bit too tired to protest since the Iraq war, and the government can't really do shit in their current weakened state.

[palo god]

Oh yes, of course it is a "big deal", especially when people are actually dying in other parts of the world, bunch of nations acting like assholes toward the western nations with threats of nuclear technology, terrorists blowing up people in the states, the U.S. facing a major debt. And various other problems that may lead the nation to chaos in the next few generations.

The fact is that you won't be able to solve these problems, before the higher problems are solved first.

So you're saying an organization poisoning our troops with diseased water and blowing up their own equipment so they can steal billions of dollars from us isn't a big problem?

[Kamixox]

So you're saying an organization poisoning are troops with diseased water and blowing up their own equipment so they can steal billions of dollars from us isn't a big problem?
Nobody is seeing it as a big problem.

In fact I bet people are shitting their pants more when they think that the east may send a nuke or few at the U.S.

[palo god]

Nobody is seeing it as a big problem.

In fact I bet people are shitting their pants more when they think that the east may send a nuke or few at the U.S.

Very few people are seeing it as a big problem because very few people know about it since the mainstream media doesn’t cover it enough( if at all) and when they actually do cover it for about 2-3 minutes they don’t even tell us the whole story.

[Kamixox]

Well here's another point, since confirming that the media doesn't even cover this topic, think of all the other possible problems that they're not willing to go into. I bet if you conclude a careful search on the internet, you will find more than a dozen of other horrible things happening to the U.S. and not only America but other nations as well.

If media released all this into the public, the people would be far too frustrated, crippling the morale of the nation even further.

[iza]

Troops are not automatically heroes. Invading foreign countries and killing innocent civilians is not heroic. Yes it's their own choice and they are responsible for their own actions.

*note: I know it isn't exactly on topic, but I disagree with the word choice in the thread title

[Kamixox]

You can't really say whos a hero nowdays.

[Dhig]

Oh I am so surprised that a company takes profit over anything else :eek:

[Kusghuul]

Doesn't surprise me. After Vietnam, you'd think Americans would've caught on onto how they get treated for shedding blood for the government.

[Lindorn]

Doesn't surprise me. After Vietnam, you'd think Americans would've caught on onto how they get treated for shedding blood for the government.

My father is a great portion of the reason the government even accepts PTSD as a valid form of disability in California today. Prior to his 12 years of fighting it, the government wouldn't recognize his PTSD, and still to this day stands by the claim that agent orange is a non dangerous chemical with no long term side effects.

The VA doc's will even tell you off the record that they know for a fact it does, but on the record they'll be fired if they advise you professionally on that information. Think about that for a second. The government denies that agent orange has any sort of side effects.

1 out of 4 surviving Vietnam veterans is dead. 2 out of 4 expected very soon.

[palo god]

Troops are not automatically heroes. Invading foreign countries and killing innocent civilians is not heroic. Yes it's their own choice and they are responsible for their own actions.

*note: I know it isn't exactly on topic, but I disagree with the word choice in the thread title

If a soldier goes to fight for his country then yes he is a hero.

[m0j0mann]

If a soldier goes to fight for is country then yes he is a hero.

So every single German soldiers in WWII, including the ones defending the concentration camps, were heroes?

[palo god]

So every single German soldiers in WWII, including the ones defending the concentration camps, were heroes?

They were Nazi heroes meaning everyone that was a Nazi sees them as heroes.

[m0j0mann]

They were Nazi heroes meaning everyone that was a Nazi sees them as heroes.

By that logic, the only people who should see the US soldiers as heroes are people who totally agree with everything the US government uses them for.

[Bawlin]

Everything you say in this thread, OP, is discredited because you misspelled O-U-R TWICE!

[palo god]

By that logic, the only people who should see the US soldiers as heroes are people who totally agree with everything the US government uses them for.

No, by that logic everyone who's a US citizen should see our troops as heroes.

[palo god]

Everything you say in this thread, OP, is discredited because you misspelled O-U-R TWICE!

Everything you just said is irrelevant and void because it has nothing to do with the dam topic.

[m0j0mann]

No, by that logic everyone who's a US citizen should see are troops as heroes.

You said the Germans were heroes to the Nazis. Shouldn't that be "heroes to the Germans" ? It's not the same thing.

Assuming measuring heroism based on country origin is what we're doing now.

[palo god]

You said the Germans were heroes to the Nazis. Shouldn't that be "heroes to the Germans" ? It's not the same thing.

Assuming measuring heroism based on country origin is what we're doing now.

No, I said the Nazi soldiers were heroes to the Nazi civilians.

[m0j0mann]

No, I said the Nazi soldiers were heroes to the Nazi civilians.

Why?

[palo god]

Why?

Because they were both Nazis.

[paade]

a company that is greedy? I would have never seen that one coming:eek:

Only surprising thing here is that there didnt seem to be any sort of supervision over how they do things. Quality control.
More like government failure than anything else.

[Tiberias]

It looks like someone needs to be Zeitgeisted.

LOL you are under 20 aren't you?

[m0j0mann]

Because they were both Nazis.

So US soldiers are automatically heroes to you because they're from the US?

[palo god]

So US soldiers are automatically heroes to you because they're from the US?

They are automatically heroes to me because their job is to defend this country.

[m0j0mann]

They are automatically heroes to me because their job is to defend this country.

So you measure heroism based on what kind of job a dude has?

[palo god]

So you measure heroism based on what kind of job a dude has?

I measure heroism based on what a person chooses to do, if a civilian chooses to become a soldier and defend our country then I see them as a hero.

[Tiberias]

I measure heroism based on what a person chooses to do, if a civilian chooses to become a soldier and defend our country then I see them as a hero.

I certainly respect that sentiment, but I think that the word hero is tossed around too easily these days. I mean what do you call the soldier that runs in and saves his buddies then? A mega-hero?

[palo god]

I certainly respect that sentiment, but I think that the word hero is tossed around too easily these days. I mean what do you call the soldier that runs in and saves his buddies then? A mega-hero?


A hero doing his job.

[Gaal]

wow, im kinda pissed now. thanks for ruining my weekend

Lol I love your new sig!

[m0j0mann]

I measure heroism based on what a person chooses to do, if a civilian chooses to become a soldier and defend our country then I see them as a hero.

I would think that choosing to become a soldier....makes you a soldier. Not everyone joins for the same reason, and any US soldier with half a brain today will know damn well they aren't doing anything to "defend" anything other than the interests of whoever pulls the strings in Washington.

I certainly respect that sentiment, but I think that the word hero is tossed around too easily these days. I mean what do you call the soldier that runs in and saves his buddies then? A mega-hero?

Moreover, what do you call a soldier who commits a war crime, or a soldier who runs away, or shirks duty, or guards a concentration camp?

Also, the last time US soldiers actually did something in defense rather than offense was WWII.

Edit: Tiberias - m0j0mann double team...That can't be right, Forumfall would explode.

[Gaal]

I would think that choosing to become a soldier....makes you a soldier. Not everyone joins for the same reason, and any US soldier with half a brain today will know damn well they aren't doing anything to "defend" anything other than the interests of whoever pulls the strings in Washington.



Moreover, what do you call a soldier who commits a war crime, or a soldier who runs away, or shirks duty, or guards a concentration camp?

Also, the last time US soldiers actually did something in defense rather than offense was WWII.

Edit: Tiberias - m0j0mann double team...That can't be right, Forumfall would explode.

What about afganistan?

[Tiberias]

A hero doing his job.

1 a: a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b: an illustrious warrior c: a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d: one that shows great courage

"by lowering the bar for heroism, we cheapen the word and, in some ways, the exploits of people who have earned the right to be called that in the past. " From Hero Inflation (http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2002/hero_inflation)

All those volunteer soldiers have my respect and admiration, but only a few of them are heros to me.

[Tiberias]

I would think that choosing to become a soldier....makes you a soldier. Not everyone joins for the same reason, and any US soldier with half a brain today will know damn well they aren't doing anything to "defend" anything other than the interests of whoever pulls the strings in Washington.



Moreover, what do you call a soldier who commits a war crime, or a soldier who runs away, or shirks duty, or guards a concentration camp?

Also, the last time US soldiers actually did something in defense rather than offense was WWII.

Edit: Tiberias - m0j0mann double team...That can't be right, Forumfall would explode.

No... because I don't think defense is a requirement of heroism. I'd consider Alexander the Great one of the great heroes of history, but he was a conqueror.

[m0j0mann]

What about afganistan?

Wasn't even necessary. Clinton caught the WTC1 perpetrators with the FBI, some deal-making, his enormous penis, the sword of a thousand truths, and a twig.

Bush could have got Bin Laden just like this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/17/afghanistan.terrorism11), but he wanted to play cowboys' and Injuns' instead.

No... because I don't think defense is a requirement of heroism. I'd consider Alexander the Great one of the great heroes of history, but he was a conqueror.

That's because your a supremacist imperialist douchebag and conquest appeals to you.

That said, however, would you consider Cyrus the Great a hero? He did his fair share of conquering as well.
He also made the first recorded bill of rights, but I'm not sure if that kind of stuff appeals to you...

[Tiberias]

Wasn't even necessary. Clinton caught the WTC1 perpetrators with the FBI, some deal-making, his enormous penis, the sword of a thousand truths, and a twig.

Bush could have got Bin Laden just like this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/17/afghanistan.terrorism11), but he wanted to play cowboys' and Injuns' instead.



That's because your a supremacist imperialist douchebag and conquest appeals to you.

That said, however, would you consider Cyrus the Great a hero? He did his fair share of conquering as well.
He also made the first recorded bill of rights, but I'm not sure if that kind of stuff appeals to you...

He has "the Great" in his title, doesn't he?

[m0j0mann]

He has "the Great" in his title, doesn't he?

So hero = someone with "great" in their name?

[Tiberias]

So hero = someone with "great" in their name?

Usually that's how it works, at least in the Western tradition.

[m0j0mann]

Usually that's how it works, at least in the Western tradition.

Cyrus wasn't western.

Also, Alexander and Cyrus weren't even soldiers, they were just clever and successful commanders.

[slugy]

This honestly makes me sick and pisses me off at the same time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xefY_u2JIVc&feature=email)

your spelling and over the top love for america honestly makes me sick and pisses me off at the same time.

[palo god]

your spelling and over the top love for america honestly makes me sick and pisses me odd at the same time.

Only the retards in this thread don't realize what a typo is, see you just made one right now, hypocrite.

[monkeyofsquirrel]

In a capitalist oligarchy with a military industrial complex. Could you honestly have expected anything better?

And also Palo God, a military that is not -- in my opinion -- fighting to defend our country, fighting more to correct our mistake (leaving Hussein in power after the Gulf War and supporting him prior) and to expand our neighborhood. Fighting a war that has been responsible for more civilian deaths than the affliction it was supposedly enacted to liberate said civilians from. They are not heroes. They are either men in an unfortunate situation, or men who believe contrarily to me. But us being united under a flag doesn't mean I condone their actions. Can you honestly believe there were no Germans that believed contrarily to the Nazis?

Oh, and the term un-American is a horrible trend. It runs counter to the spirit our country was supposedly founded on.

[palo god]

In a capitalist oligarchy with a military industrial complex. Could you honestly have expected anything better?

And also Palo God, a military that is not -- in my opinion -- fighting to defend our country, fighting more to correct our mistake (leaving Hussein in power after the Gulf War and supporting him prior) and to expand our neighborhood. Fighting a war that has been responsible for more civilian deaths than the affliction it was supposedly enacted to liberate said civilians from. They are not heroes. They are either men in an unfortunate situation, or men who believe contrarily to me. But us being united under a flag doesn't mean I condone their actions. Can you honestly believe there were no Germans that believed contrarily to the Nazis?

So you're saying this could only happen in a capitalist society? also you're opinion that soldiers don't defend their country is retarded to say the least.

So you're saying it was our troops decision to support Hussein?

When did I say their weren't Germans that believed contrary to the Nazis?

[slugy]

Only the retards in this thread don't realize what a typo is, see you just made one right now, hypocrite.

you still sicken me

**edit** i fixed mine, so fuck you and while your all up on your high horse go cry for the bad water soldiers had/have to bath in. hahaha.

[Rokolith]

omg

I am just amazed at these fuckers, how can they have no morals at all? Just stealing money straight out of the taxpayer's pocketbook and making our troops sick.

[palo god]

you still sicken me

**edit** i fixed mine, so fuck you and while your all up on your high horse go cry for the bad water soldiers had/have to bath in. hahaha.

Your stupidity and hypocrisy sicken me, and I have your quote so fixing it doesn't matter.

[m0j0mann]

I have your quote too. And I'm going to sing in it.
Here i go.
We're no strangers to love

You know the rules and so do I

A full commitment's what I'm thinking of

You wouldn't get this from any other guy

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling

Gotta make you understand


Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you



Sing along guys!

[slugy]

Your stupidity and hypocrisy sicken me, and I have your quote so fixing it doesn't matter.

excuse me while i go cry.

[monkeyofsquirrel]

So you're saying this could only happen in a capitalist society? also you're opinion that soldiers don't defend their country is retarded to say the least.

So you're saying it was our troops decision to support Hussein?

When did I say their weren't Germans that believed contrary to the Nazis?
Of course a corporation could only vastly exploit a subservient government in a capitalist society, they are looking to make a profit. In a Socialist society there would be no need to look for a profit, because they would be guaranteed equitable wealth.

Oh, soldiers do defend countries from time to time. But, soldiers also invade other countries. This case rests in the latter. Since you didn't make a substantial argument I won't trouble you with one either.

No, it was our government's decision to support Hussein. However, our troops in joining that government displayed solidarity with its actions.

When you said that Nazi soldiers were heroes to Germans just as US soldiers by definition became heroes to all US citizens.

You know, I'm not by any stretch defending Haliburton nor advocating any sort of leniency toward their persecution. I'm just saying A) the way our government is structured induces this idiocy, B) you have an odd conception of heroes and fascism, and C) the whole war in Iraq is fought for farcical logic.

[Tiberias]

Cyrus wasn't western.

Also, Alexander and Cyrus weren't even soldiers, they were just clever and successful commanders.

In Classical times Persia is in the Western Sphere.

[Lindorn]

In Classical times Persia is in the Western Sphere.

No it isn't :p.

Also, Alexander and Cyrus weren't even soldiers, they were just clever and successful commanders.

Alexander probably wasn't even a great commander to be honest. He took his father's crack troops and revolutionary tactics and applied them against a disorderly Persian mob that was literally carrying shields made out of reeds and Spears while wearing cloth armor. Fighting against even 1/3rd of the amount of heavily armored hoplites in formation is kind of a no brainer outcome....

[palo god]

Of course a corporation could only vastly exploit a subservient government in a capitalist society, they are looking to make a profit. In a Socialist society there would be no need to look for a profit, because they would be guaranteed equitable wealth.


You’re saying it like the government is the victim here, and in a socialist society wealth is only guaranteed for the government not the people because socialism fails.

Oh, soldiers do defend countries from time to time.


So first you said they don’t defend our country then you said they do? You’re a flip flopper that cant even hold up in a debate so you change your opinion on the spot.

No, it was our government's decision to support Hussein. However, our troops in joining that government displayed solidarity with its actions.


They follow the orders that are given to them, that’s what soldiers do.

When you said that Nazi soldiers were heroes to Germans just as US soldiers by definition became heroes to all US citizens.


I didn’t say that, stop pretending that I did.

[MayneIdeedIt]

The troops are very brave and deserve better than what we give them, but we also gotta be supportive of our current administration and our president. With all this questioning of every action he does we're not only hurting ourselves we're helping the terrorists, we're putting ourselves in a position were we can't win the war on terror and thus we put our brave troops in extreme danger.

I have a brother currently in Iraq and he tells me how much these anti-Bush protests and rallies offend him, since its not only bush they're protesting but by extension the entire military. Can you honestly say you would look a brave man returning from Iraq in the eye and tell him he saw his buddies die and lost his leg for nothing? We need to seriously reconsider our position and honor our troops and cut our leaders some slack so they can actually accomplish something. I love democracy and our American way of life, but when fighting war too much whining does get in the way...

Just my two cents.

[Gorukha]

The sad fact is Iraq will never be over as long as we support the troops but not the war. Vietnam ended because people turned on everyone, including the troops. The military itself has to have a reason to rebel agaisnt the administration. Otherwise nothing will change. As it is now, the troops feel pride in what they are doing, which is funny since they are commiting war crimes by participating in an illegal war. US citizens need to make their voices heard, and this pussy talk about loving the troops and hating the government just will not do. It's tough love but we have to get serious bout ending the Iraq occupation.

[Lordeby]

glad i'm dutch and not American. I don't realy think such things happen here, they keep sending the reports about the army. I have a contact that has the job to keep a look on the status of the army. Human rights are here very high.
Not that the dutch army/goverment is something to be proud of :lmao: keep making small stupid mistakes. But we do have Verdonk! (http://bp2.blogger.com/_mrbxEHL3lc8/Rx6khGQOmDI/AAAAAAAAAWU/w6MQGU3EEIA/s400/061406-verdonk.gif)

[Leonon]

It's not just our troops, it's Halliburton's own employees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Leigh_Jones) too.

[Septus]

No... because I don't think defense is a requirement of heroism. I'd consider Alexander the Great one of the great heroes of history, but he was a conqueror.

So you consider Muhammad a hero?

[monkeyofsquirrel]

You’re saying it like the government is the victim here, and in a socialist society wealth is only guaranteed for the government not the people because socialism fails.
*sigh* Well, that's what you're saying -- the military is associated with the government, you know -- I'm more dealing with why the government is subservient. Hint: because it's an oligarchy. And as for your jab at Socialism: perhaps you should learn what Socialism is, then learn to read for comprehension and retention, and then address it aptly, eh?

So first you said they don’t defend our country then you said they do? You’re a flip flopper that cant even hold up in a debate so you change your opinion on the spot.
From time to time they defend, dear, not this time -- Iraq's case. That's not a flip flop, that's simply allowing for some variety of situation.

They follow the orders that are given to them, that’s what soldiers do.
Yes, of course they do. But by even being a part of the military they're condoning the orders given to them. We don't have a draft, yet. That's actually what I said the first time, but I figured I would rephrase for good measure.


They were Nazi heroes meaning everyone that was a Nazi sees them as heroes.

No, by that logic everyone who's a US citizen should see our troops as heroes.
Lol, wut?

All quotes by Palo God.

EDIT: How disappointing, he got suspended. I was all excited.