Anarchy: Screw The Government?

[grateful_dead]

So today I felt like making a thread on politics and I decide on one of the best ideology which is anarchy. For those of you who don't know then read wikipedia's complicating communist made article. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism)

Anyways anarchy is basically no government and is pretty much the most extremist form of government which is none. It's pretty good because it promotes private control and individualism. The bad side however is when there's no government, the next powerful thing takes over and that is the corporation and gangs in more urban areas.

It would be real badass though when you have to hire the police or do it yourself to protect you.

[tallefred]

You are truly an idiot.

[palo god]

Anarchy is almost as bad as socialism.

[grateful_dead]

You are truly an idiot.

thanks for your opinion.

[Reikson]

you are like 12 what do you know about government

[grateful_dead]

you are like 12 what do you know about government

i know that it touches me in bad places at night. also that its mostly controlled by the elites.

[Chomp]

The ultimate failure of the anarchist idea are people. The maturity level simply isn't there and never will be as long as there are people willing to exploit others for personal gain. It's a nice fairy tale though.

[RootBeerFloat]

I spit on you anarchist scum. Worse than the commies.

[Nefastus]

You are truly an idiot.

The fuck, I was going to say that! Stop reading my mind please!

But seriously, someone please revoke his ability to post in Off-Topic. The guy, or rather a prepubescent child, is an idiot.

[Jarkovii]

So today I felt like making a thread on politics and I decide on one of the best ideology which is anarchy. For those of you who don't know then read wikipedia's complicating communist made article. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism)

Anyways anarchy is basically no government and is pretty much the most extremist form of government which is none. It's pretty good because it promotes private control and individualism. The bad side however is when there's no government, the next powerful thing takes over and that is the corporation and gangs in more urban areas.

It would be real badass though when you have to hire the police or do it yourself to protect you.

Tribalism returns?

[Layedballer]

Serious reply:
Anarchy would be the perfect government(or lack thereof) due to the fact that yes, governments are corrupt, that's obvious. The downfall however outweighs the positives. If the US abolished all forms of government, our school systems would go to shit, roads would go unmaintained and ultimately crumble, many cities would go without power, water or food etc...

Let's say none of that happens, and that cities, or more likely towns, figure out a way to maintain their populace and roads through unity, well that leaves another thing up for grabs, the country itself, without a central military cities are left to their own defenses through militia, sure some larger metropolitan areas such as NYC might prove more trouble then what their worth but any country would jump at the chance to take over more land.

Again lets say that ALL countries banish government, this way there is no central army to invade with.
That brings our last and greatest downfall. Greed, humans are greedy, everyone is, some more than others. The problem with greed is we don't like to spare anything if it inconveniences ourselves, example:

Joe has 3 cows and grows enough corn to be the main supplier for the village. John, his neighbor, due to unfortunate placing, can only grow corn on his land, since Joe has more than enough corn, and just enough cows to feed his family, refuses to trade with John as to not inconvenience his family. This has three outcomes:

1) John and his family live off of corn until they eventually die of malnutrition
2)John must resort to crime in order to provide for his family
3)Johns growing hostility to Joe causes him to attack the farmer ultimately ending one of their lives and possibly a hostile takeover of land.

If you look at it, there's never been a "successful" anarchist civilization, which is unfortunate really

[grateful_dead]

i see this thread has failed. i'm guessing nobody here's a fan of anarchy. well then, i'm just going to discuss this on revleft.com

[ClownFoot]

You must be a fucking retard to want anarchy. I rather totalitarism or communism.

[grateful_dead]

You must be a fucking retard to want anarchy. I rather totalitarism or communism.

no i didn't say i wanted it, just wanted to see forumfalls thoughs about it. i want a white nationalist society fyi.

[Dhig]

Anarchy is almost as bad as socialism.

I must say you are truly an idiot.

[Chomp]

i see this thread has failed. i'm guessing nobody here's a fan of anarchy. well then, i'm just going to discuss this on revleft.com

Don't waste your time. ALL revolutionaries are secret aristocrats, whether they realize it or not. Look at the Spanish anarchists in the Spanish Civil War. Anyone who did not wish to be assimilated into their collectives were given a choice: Conform or go hungry. That is a form of aristocracy; We hold the power, do as we say or starve. The Spanish Civil War is the best example of anarchism in action and it failed miserably. Self-proclaimed anarchists are juvenile anyways.

[m0j0mann]

The ultimate failure of the anarchist idea are people. The maturity level simply isn't there and never will be as long as there are people willing to exploit others for personal gain.

That's actually the problem with every government system.

You just have to look at Japan from approx 1000ad-1600ad to see what happens when power gets decentralized.
All that happens is the rich/powerful/elite take over, with the most badass of them eventually conquering the others, and forming...another central government.

A valuable lesson for some of the "eevul governments!!!111" people here.

[ClownFoot]

no i didn't say i wanted it, just wanted to see forumfalls thoughs about it. i want a white nationalist society fyi.

Oh, sorry. I didn't bother reading your post and just made a shot in the dark with that reply. Apparently I missed.

[grateful_dead]

That's actually the problem with every government system.

All you have to do is look at Japan from approx 1000ad-1600ad to see what happens when power gets decentralized. All that happens is the rich/powerful/elite take over, with the most badass of them eventually conquering the others, and forming...another central government.

A valuable lesson for some of the "eevul governments!!!111" people here.

yeah but their system of power was feudalism and only a few people can rise to power. in the modern age, anyone cunning and smart enough can rise and become the ruler or ruling class. if anarchism did work then alot of people would be against creation of another central power, therefore it would be very hard or impossible to do.

[RootBeerFloat]

yeah but their system of power was feudalism and only a few people can rise to power. in the modern age, anyone cunning and smart enough can rise and become the ruler or ruling class. if anarchism did work then alot of people would be against creation of another central power, therefore it would be very hard or impossible to do.

But, it doesn't work. Period.

I won't even begin to discuss all the flaws of anarchy.

[Chomp]

That's actually the problem with every government system.

You just have to look at Japan from approx 1000ad-1600ad to see what happens when power gets decentralized.
All that happens is the rich/powerful/elite take over, with the most badass of them eventually conquering the others, and forming...another central government.

A valuable lesson for some of the "eevul governments!!!111" people here.

Yes. People want to be led and there is always the predator who is more than willing to fill the role.

...people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.

A sad reality.

[m0j0mann]

yeah but their system of power was feudalism and only a few people can rise to power. in the modern age, anyone cunning and smart enough can rise and become the ruler or ruling class. if anarchism did work then alot of people would be against creation of another central power, therefore it would be very hard or impossible to do.

Money. Loyal followers. Both. All you need, really, other than proper organization, and the right equipment.

That's all feudalism is. People who have money paying their goons to enforce their will on the people, and of course to steal more money so they can pay more goons to steal more money.

Eventually the people/his goons/both get pissed off and depose the bastard, write some fairer laws, maybe create an electoral system, and we return to the system we have today.

A lot of trouble to just basically go in a circle IMO.

[grateful_dead]

But, it doesn't work. Period.

I won't even begin to discuss all the flaws of anarchy.

yes anarchy like everything else has flaws but i just want a society where i can exploit the weak and stupid more easier. capitalism is not enough. also, there's many schools of anarchy. christian anarchism might work for some people, while other forms for others.

[m0j0mann]

yes anarchy like everything else has flaws but i just want a society where i can exploit the weak and stupid more easier. capitalism is not enough. also, there's many schools of anarchy. christian anarchism might work for some people, while other forms for others.

True anarchy - no government - is impossible, save for a few months directly after a central government collapses.

After a few months, the strong will band together and start imposing their authority, or a rich guy will pay some strong people to band together and start imposing his authority. Feudalism ensues.

Japan Senkudo Jidai period, or the European Dark Ages. Both entailed the collapse of a central government, and both came to exactly the same result - new central governments, after a period of warlords and feudal leaders. (though IMO, the Japanese did it better, and in a more badass fashion)Look them up.

[grateful_dead]

True anarchy - no government - is impossible, save for a few months directly after a central government collapses.

After a few months, the strong will band together and start imposing their authority, or a rich guy will pay some strong people to band together and start imposing his authority. Feudalism ensues.

yeah groups always come together and rule over, as said in the first post, but central power = thats happening anyways. what i think is good is communal anarchism in which a community is in rule that presides over that community and that community only overseeing the farm or town or such. they had something like that in israel called kibbutz.

[RootBeerFloat]

yes anarchy like everything else has flaws but i just want a society where i can exploit the weak and stupid more easier. capitalism is not enough. also, there's many schools of anarchy. christian anarchism might work for some people, while other forms for others.

Except it has ALOT of fucking flaws. I bet you do want a society where you can "exploit the weak and stupid more easier", but you know what? You're not getting one. Cause you, judging from your views and grammar, seem to be one of the throngs of idiots you childishly dream of manipulating.

I hope you regret wasting our forum space with your naive ideas.

[grateful_dead]

True anarchy - no government - is impossible, save for a few months directly after a central government collapses.

After a few months, the strong will band together and start imposing their authority, or a rich guy will pay some strong people to band together and start imposing his authority. Feudalism ensues.

Japan Senkudo Jidai period, or the European Dark Ages. Both entailed the collapse of a central government, and both came to exactly the same result - new central governments, after a period of warlords and feudal leaders. (though IMO, the Japanese did it better, and in a more badass fashion)Look them up.

well in both, that didn't happen for hundreds of years and that's fair time for anarchist rule. no single type of government has last for more then a millennial anyways.

[Vanno]

I'm not going to bother with this one, as it seems nobody has a real clue what anarchism is about.

[palo god]

I must say you are truly an idiot.

Coming from a no name ass hat like you that doesn't really hurt me, try harder retard? :lmao:

[tallefred]

FYI, kibbutzim are more based around communism then anarchy, and they didn't work all that well either.

[Jarkovii]

Coming from a no name ass hat like you that doesn't really hurt me, try harder retard? :lmao:

You're the only person I know that drops a point in IQ each time he presses the "Submit Reply" button.

[kordoyn]

Doesn't work. Next thread.

[palo god]

You're the only person I know that drops a point in IQ each time he presses the "Submit Reply" button.

Better, but you still fail, try harder dammit!

You should ask one of the good flamers on these forums to be your master and train you karate kid style. :lmao:

[Chomp]

I'm not going to bother with this one, as it seems nobody has a real clue what anarchism is about.

Modern day anarchists themselves don't have a clue what anarchism is about. Tell me, what sort of advanced knowledge do you have that the rest of us lack? Is your comprehension of philosophical ideas so much greater than ours that you feel it would be a waste of time to enlighten the rest of us ignorant sheep? What a typical(and boring) response.

I've met and conversed with so many elitist "revolutionaries" with serious god complexes that I give a little cheer every time I see juveniles dressed all in black with black bandannas covering their faces getting beat by the "fascist pigs", who are of course "tools of the state".

[grateful_dead]

does every thread have to turn into a goddamn flamewar?

[tallefred]

I think you know the answer to that question.

[grateful_dead]

I think you know the answer to that question.

no i don't tell me.

[tallefred]

*sigh*... you dumbass.

Does that answer it?

[grateful_dead]

*sigh*... you dumbass.

Does that answer it?

no it didn't, not at all. please if you have the answer do tell.

[Fluffington]

Anarchy does not work.

[phiberoptick]

its might work for 5 mins, then everyone would just rape and kill everything they couldn't steal.

[Loadafreak]

It would be like the bad spots in Africa

[Vanno]

Is your comprehension of philosophical ideas so much greater than ours that you feel it would be a waste of time to enlighten the rest of us ignorant sheep?

Not sheep, just not interested in an actual discussion about the actual tenants or practicality of anarchism/decentralization. Case in point….


I give a little cheer every time I see juveniles dressed all in black with black bandannas covering their faces getting beat.

I fail to see how an aversion to Zorro and Halloween is relevant to the discussion of Anarchism.

[Steelbadger]

Doesn't work. Humans always look to a leader; and if none exists then society produces one.

It's impossible to have a sustainable anarchic system, it can only ever be a transitionary phase.

Add onto the fact that human nature precludes the successful running of an anarchic system.

[Poem]

I say we just all watch SLC Punk! and be done with this.

[Vanno]

Doesn't work. Humans always look to a leader; and if none exists then society produces one.



That doesn't even begin to form a cohesive argument against anarchy though. Want for leadership doesn't necessitate a centralized authority. Anarchy is not a system of non-leadership.

[Kuri]

Doesn't work. Humans always look to a leader; and if none exists then society produces one.



Anarchy Info. (http://anarchydownunder.blogspot.com/2007/10/10-commandments-of-anarchy_30.html) Not Wikipedia, cause it fails.

If you read though this guys post(Alex) it states there would be a leader.

Anyways, Anarchy would really only work in a third world / not yet up to date nation.

If it happens in the states it would only be after a Nuclear War / severe downgrade of our current society.

[Vanno]

Anarchy Info. (http://anarchydownunder.blogspot.com/2007/10/10-commandments-of-anarchy_30.html) Not Wikipedia, cause it fails.

If you read though this guys post(Alex) it states there would be a leader.

Anyways, Anarchy would really only work in a third world / not yet up to date nation.

If it happens in the states it would only be after a Nuclear War / severe downgrade of our current society.

Actually, a developed Economy would be a far better environment for Anarchism.

[Vertigo Vain]

Move on. Nothing to see here, Anarchy is a relict of the past age.

Welcome to Age of Corporatism.

[Kuri]

Actually, a developed Economy would be a far better environment for Anarchism.

Well the only reason I'm stating thats the reason it would happen in the states (widespread that is) people all of sudden would not change over.

And for third world nations, one group would beable to somewhat force it on the people.

[Kuri]

Move on. Nothing to see here, Anarchy is a relict of the past age.

Welcome to Age of Corporatism.

Good thing Relicts are things that are still around after 100s of years.

[DR.NUMBERS]

I spit on you anarchist scum. Worse than the commies.


Surely a good old rebel like yourself doesn't support the federal government?


Oh, I'm a good old rebel
Now thats just what I am
And for this yankee nation
I do not give a damn.

I'm glad I fought again' her
I only wish we'd won
I ain't gonna ask any pardon
For anything I've done.

I hates the Yankee nation
And everything they do
I hates the declaration
Of independence too.

I hates the glorious union
'Tis dripping with our blood
I hates the striped banner
And fought it all I could.

I rode with Robert E. Lee
For three years there about
Got wounded in four places
And I starved at Point Lookout.

I caught the rheumatism
Campin' in the snow
But I killed a chance of Yankees
And I'd gladly kill some mo'.

Three hundred thousand Yankees
Lie stiff in southern dust
We got three hundred thousand
Before they conquered us.

They died of southern fervor
And southern steel and shot
I wish they was three million
Instead of what we got.

I can't take up my musket
And fight 'em down no mo'
But I ain't a-goin' to love 'em
Now that is certain sure.

And I ain't gonna ask no pardon
For what I was and am
I won't be reconstructed
And I do not give a damn.

Oh, I'm a good old rebel
Now that's just what I am
And for this Yankee nation
I do no give a damn.

I'm glad I fought again' her
I only wish we'd won
I ain't gonna ask no pardon
For anything I've done.

I ain't gonna ask no pardon
For anything I've done...

[Kuri]

Surely a good old rebel like yourself doesn't support the federal government?


Oh, I'm a good old rebel
Now thats just what I am
And for this yankee nation
I do not give a damn.

I'm glad I fought again' her
I only wish we'd won
I ain't gonna ask any pardon
For anything I've done.

I hates the Yankee nation
And everything they do
I hates the declaration
Of independence too.

I hates the glorious union
'Tis dripping with our blood
I hates the striped banner
And fought it all I could.

I rode with Robert E. Lee
For three years there about
Got wounded in four places
And I starved at Point Lookout.

I caught the rheumatism
Campin' in the snow
But I killed a chance of Yankees
And I'd gladly kill some mo'.

Three hundred thousand Yankees
Lie stiff in southern dust
We got three hundred thousand
Before they conquered us.

They died of southern fervor
And southern steel and shot
I wish they was three million
Instead of what we got.

I can't take up my musket
And fight 'em down no mo'
But I ain't a-goin' to love 'em
Now that is certain sure.

And I ain't gonna ask no pardon
For what I was and am
I won't be reconstructed
And I do not give a damn.

Oh, I'm a good old rebel
Now that's just what I am
And for this Yankee nation
I do no give a damn.

I'm glad I fought again' her
I only wish we'd won
I ain't gonna ask no pardon
For anything I've done.

I ain't gonna ask no pardon
For anything I've done...


This should clearly be in the Art forum, Darkfall Poetry thread.

[Surly]

The ultimate failure of the anarchist idea are people. The maturity level simply isn't there and never will be as long as there are people willing to exploit others for personal gain. It's a nice fairy tale though.What does maturity have to do with any of that? People are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves and being responsible, especially when there's no state-funded security blanket for them to sleep with. The failing of anarchy is that it is unsustainable due to a lack of authority to sustain it, beyond the will of people. It isn't the lack of "maturity" for people to govern themselves, it is their cowardice and complacency when authority is shoved in their face. Anarchy and Democracy are very similar.

In rural areas with sparse populations, anarchy tends to exist regardless of the governmental system in place. The lack of an authority in the area, and the lack of any person's motivation to control the area, result in no government enforcement. Go hang out in the rural midwest for a while, you'll find unincorporated towns that don't pay taxes. The situations that affect a population in their immediate surroundings are as varied in the necessary actions to take as there are people in the country.

Hence I advocate localized government, as local as possible. If you feel that you need government in your town or city, then let that city be the highest authority of government. The state, the federal government, must come second. This is the idea of the Republic.

[Staatsschutz]

So today I felt like making a thread on politics and I decide on one of the best ideology which is anarchy. For those of you who don't know then read wikipedia's complicating communist made article. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism)

Anyways anarchy is basically no government and is pretty much the most extremist form of government which is none. It's pretty good because it promotes private control and individualism. The bad side however is when there's no government, the next powerful thing takes over and that is the corporation and gangs in more urban areas.

It would be real badass though when you have to hire the police or do it yourself to protect you.

in a couple of years, when you grew up, you will probably have a different view on all that.

[Razel]

i'd settle for any type of government between fuckups and this circle jerk we have now.

[Surly]

I think it's pretty funny that so many socialists and communists seem to hate Anarchy, when Anarchy is so closely related to direct democracy, and so many communist movements are founded in Anarchic ideals. A soviet, after all, is a direct democracy council.

[DR.NUMBERS]

What does maturity have to do with any of that? People are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves and being responsible, especially when there's no state-funded security blanket for them to sleep with. The failing of anarchy is that it is unsustainable due to a lack of authority to sustain it, beyond the will of people. It isn't the lack of "maturity" for people to govern themselves, it is their cowardice and complacency when authority is shoved in their face. Anarchy and Democracy are very similar.

In rural areas with sparse populations, anarchy tends to exist regardless of the governmental system in place. The lack of an authority in the area, and the lack of any person's motivation to control the area, result in no government enforcement. Go hang out in the rural midwest for a while, you'll find unincorporated towns that don't pay taxes. The situations that affect a population in their immediate surroundings are as varied in the necessary actions to take as there are people in the country.

Hence I advocate localized government, as local as possible. If you feel that you need government in your town or city, then let that city be the highest authority of government. The state, the federal government, must come second. This is the idea of the Republic.

American Darkfallers (and maybe some of the less pussy European ones) need to set up a commune in Missouri, Idaho or Montana. Surly or Matriel should be our first prez imo.

[Razel]

I think it's pretty funny that so many socialists and communists seem to hate Anarchy, when Anarchy is so closely related to direct democracy, and so many communist movements are founded in Anarchic ideals. A soviet, after all, is a direct democracy council.

your talking to shit throwing monkeys, why do you bother?

[Surly]

American Darkfallers (and maybe some of the less pussy European ones) need to set up a commune in Missouri, Idaho or Montana. Surly or Matriel should be our first prez imo.I'm not much of a communist.

[DR.NUMBERS]

I'm not much of a communist.
Commune was a pretty shitty choice of word perhaps "collective" would be better or just "town".

[Surly]

Commune was a pretty shitty choice of word perhaps "collective" would be better or just "town".I'm not a collectivist.

But town... hmmmm.... maybe.

[Kusghuul]

Anarchy is almost as bad as capitalism.

Fix't

[Vanno]

I think it's pretty funny that so many socialists and communists seem to hate Anarchy, when Anarchy is so closely related to direct democracy, and so many communist movements are founded in Anarchic ideals. A soviet, after all, is a direct democracy council.

Indeed, that struck me as odd too.

[Arkh]

Governments should have only two roles :
- protect people from other countries
- prevent people from infriging on others liberties.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Vertigo Vain]

I think it's pretty funny that so many socialists and communists seem to hate Anarchy, when Anarchy is so closely related to direct democracy, and so many communist movements are founded in Anarchic ideals. A soviet, after all, is a direct democracy council.

Capitalism have that much in common with slavery and corporative oligarchic exploitation. I wonder, why do capitalists not advocate slavery (yet)?

[Surly]

Capitalism have that much in common with slavery and corporative oligarchic exploitation. I wonder, why do capitalists not advocate slavery (yet)?
I do. Slavery is a fine institution.

[DR.NUMBERS]

I do. Slavery is a fine institution.

What kind of slaves work the hardest? Do you use different races for different tasks? (e.g. Whites for slave middle-management, Jews + Asians for taxes and paperwork, Blacks + Mexicans for labor, Indi

[Matriel]

Anarchy is awesome. Hopefully some day people stop making excuses for all the bullshit government brings and realize we don't need it.

For people that say there are no successful examples of anarchist societies, I say read some history.

mises.org/journals/jls/3_1/3_1_2.pdf

[Fro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBeT4ptY9sY&feature=related

[Apostata]

Governments should have only two roles :
- protect people from other countries
- prevent people from infriging on others liberties.

Nothing more, nothing less.

My liberty ends when the liberty of another person starts? Bollocks! Thats not liberty but just box with some libertyes and alllows and that box was predictated to my head by school normalisation system. No, i dont want it. Tear down the wall, my friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuyV7hjViSY

System, system, system - death in life
System, system, system - the surgeons knife
System, system, system - hacking at the cord
System, system, system - a child is born
Poor little f**ker, poor little kid
Never asked for life, no she never did
Poor little baby, poor little mite
Crying out for food as her parents fight (x2)
System, system, system - send him to school
System, system, system - force him to crawl
System, system, system - teach him how to cheat
System, system, system - kick him off his feet
Poor little schoolboy, poor little lad
They'll pat him if he's good, beat him if he's bad
Poor little kiddy, poor little chap
They'll force feed his mind with their useless crap
Force feed his mind with their useless crap
System, system, system - they'll teach her how to cook
System, system, system - they'll teach her how to look
System, system, system - they'll teach her all the tricks
System, system, system - create another victim for their
greasy pricks
Poor little girly, poor little wench
Another little object to prod and pinch
Poor little sweety, poor little filly
They'll f**k her mind so they can f**k her silly
F**k her mind so they can f**k her silly
System, system, system - he's grown to be a man
System, system, system - He's been taught to fit the plan
System, system, system - forty years of jobs
System, system, system - Pushing little buttons,
pulling little knobs
Poor f**king worker, poor little serf
Working like a mule for half of what he's worth
Poor f**king grafter, poor little gent
Working for the cash that he's already spent (x2)
He'll selling his life, she's his loyal wife
Timid as a mouse, she's got her little house
He's got his little car and they share the cocktail bar
She likes to cook his meals, you know, something that appeals
Sometimes he works til late so his supper has to wait
But she doesn't really mind cos he's getting overtime
He likes to put a bit away just for that rainy day
Cos every little counts when the cost of living mounts
They do the pools each week hoping for that lucky break
Then they'd take a trip abroad, do all the things they can't afford
She'd really like to have a fur, he'd like a bigger car
They could buy a bungalow, with a Georgian door for show
He might think of leaving work, but no, he wouldn't like to shirk
He'd much prefer to stay and get his honest days pay
He's got a life of work ahead, there's no rest for the dead
She's tried to make it nice, he's said thankyou once or twice

[Kuri]

Mmm,..necro.

[Maize]

Mmm,..necro.

For why? :bang:

[Lethn]

I'd like a real universal democratic government for once, if everyone thinks that a ralf wiggum should get in let him!

Vote Ralf Wiggum! http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_popculture_blog/images/2008/01/04/ralph08.jpg

[Kuri]

For why? :bang:

Well,..I just decided to bump the said necro...er? above me.

[Arkh]

My liberty ends when the liberty of another person starts? Bollocks! Thats not liberty but just box with some libertyes and alllows and that box was predictated to my head by school normalisation system. No, i dont want it. Tear down the wall, my friends.
Human nature is to be egoist and compete for everything. It's why any "perfect system" is an utopia. Be it communism, anarchy, democracy, monarchy or republic.
The only system which works is what we have at the moment : different communities with their own rules and ruling system. The only thing which we should fight for is getting more little communities. But politicians fight to get the exact opposite.

[Maize]

Well,..I just decided to bump the said necro...er? above me.

I was meaning the reason for the thread being necro'd. Nothing against you.

[Kuri]

I was meaning the reason for the thread being necro'd. Nothing against you.

Ah,..he wanted to post his shitty movie and post craptastic poetry,..

[Damwa]

Anarchy is awesome. Hopefully some day people stop making excuses for all the bullshit government brings and realize we don't need it.

For people that say there are no successful examples of anarchist societies, I say read some history.

mises.org/journals/jls/3_1/3_1_2.pdf

I think that the problem is not that anarchism doesn't work, when it works (so to speak), but that the necessary conditions for anarchism to work are hard to find and near impossible to create at will.
But I guess that we have been there before.

If I was to make an attempt at being succinct, I would say that the inherent problem of anarchy is the same as with (ideological) pacifism. It require a deliberate effort of many to create and maintain, and any accidental (or deliberate) by but a few can cause it all to become undone. At the same time there is the added problem; that the greater the extent of the state of anarchy, the greater are the possible benefits of subverting it (even to the smallest extent), and the greater is the likelihood of succeeding (even with only limited resources).

One might venture: since we (the human species) were not set upon earth in a state of centralized government, and since most of us have, none the less, ended there; there would seem to be some indication that anarchy is not a viable "steady state" - under the given conditions.


More "dramatically":
- Why were the clergy (one of) the first substantial centralized power-groups in the history of mankind? Is it not because one need not hold a gun to a mans head in order to compel him to obey?
The base of their power is not found without (in some indispensable resource they control, or some coercive force they wield), but within. And not so much within *them*, as within the minds of all men who have acquired as much "thought" as to have beliefs (be they religious or otherwise).
The flaw of anarchy (to my immediate thinking) is not to be found in some inherent evil of mankind, but in the circumstance that we (in our goodness) find ourselves compelled to comply with the expectations of the context we find ourselves in.

[Curcio]

The only way to have true anarchy is to kill off all the Humans first.

[Damwa]

Human nature is to be egoist and compete for everything. It's why any "perfect system" is an utopia. Be it communism, anarchy, democracy, monarchy or republic.
The only system which works is what we have at the moment : different communities with their own rules and ruling system. The only thing which we should fight for is getting more little communities. But politicians fight to get the exact opposite.

I do not agree with your assumption, and also; there is a (hint of) self-contradiction in there.

[Heartnet~]

You can't have true anarchy. People would eventually be forced or choose to come together again in communities and rebuild new countries.

But who knows, with the right technology, it may be possible in a very distant future.

[Kuri]

You can't have true anarchy. People would eventually be forced or choose to come together again in communities and rebuild new countries.

But who knows, with the right technology, it may be possible in a very distant future.


First, Anarchy is ment for small communities and countries, its just less control and more batering, <-- this is very vague statement but I don't wanna find links and such,. if you need one search my other post in this thread.

With the right technology,..you mean destorying any existing society to have people convert to anarchy.

[Maize]

Ah,..he wanted to post his shitty movie and post craptastic poetry,..

Damn you and your +1's it was rhetorical.

[Kinsari]

Anarchy is great.

You control your own fate and protect yourselves. And in order to make it better, you get together with your neighbors and agree to help each other out and make rules so you can live together nicely.

And then you can get other people in it too, so you can all cooperate and get along and such.

Then you can keep trying to recruit and expand so that everyone follows the rules, gets along, and is safe and happy. And then you can even pick some leaders to run your little safety pact so now your entire region is safe and happy!

Wait a second...this is going somewhere oddly familiar.

[Damwa]

I am thinking; there should be a thread where only people with scantily clad hot chicks in their sig, should be allowed to post.



Everyone else would just lurk..


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[Jezrith]

Man most you people really like the government dick don't you. You guys do realize that the vast majority of your life already exists in anarchic state? That is, unless you are sitting in jail posting on a prison computer.

[Paralda]

i know that it touches me in bad places at night. also that its mostly controlled by the elites.

Yes, people in power are normally "Elitist". This is a good thing. I would rather have the Elite leading me than the idiots.

Anyways, Anarchy is just a wet dream of idiots who think they're idealists.

[Lethn]

You idiots, you all go on about what great lovers you are in other threads and do I see tons of women here? Nooooo!

*glances as tumbleweed rolls by*

[Apostata]

This thread is just full of hatred against other opinion.

[MinusInnocence]

It would be real badass though when you have to hire the police or do it yourself to protect you.Yeah man, sounds awesome.

[Apostata]

That was in roman law to 311AC ( officialy. It ends practicaly after 139AC) . But there was no police. But just guards for hire. Or citizens which you can arm.

[Razel]

anarchy isnt needed, however a revolution may be in order to get the govt back under control. As it stands they have run amuck at the taxpayers/citizens expense by the way of freedoms you once had.

[tallefred]

Governments should have only two roles :
- protect people from other countries
- prevent people from infriging on others liberties.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I would add building and maintaining infrastructure to put money into the economy.

[Chankeen]

Capitalism have that much in common with slavery and corporative oligarchic exploitation. I wonder, why do capitalists not advocate slavery (yet)?

Slavery is way less efficient then wage-labour.

[Abra]

The fact that if we pull anarchism means the country has failed to live up it's values. And is no longer capable to do so.

What's left? As you said and perhaps even worse.
That be like Fallout 3, just without the post nuclear explosion..

Though I agree the goverment does need...o hell who do I kid. It needs alot of cleaning up.

[Chankeen]

The fact that if we pull anarchism means the country has failed to live up it's values.

Tell me of a country that has lived up to its values?

[Abra]

Hmmmf good point again, how about "SOME" of it's values.