Darkfall Status Update Nov 27 [Archive]

Dying To Live

11-27-2003, 08:08 PM

I do agree with bigmac in several ways. If its 80% done why isnt there a teaser video, ohh but maybe they dont have that department =)

Or do they even have a cinematic artist? Anyhow if its that near complete there should be some type of content rather then context to show or determine that as far as a consumers point of view. I mean WOW or LINEAGE2 even release new teasers, and articles giving you just that much more indepth look at the game. Only look I get it is FAQs and ScreenShots which dont really justify anything.

IE-WOW just released an article about its crafting to give you just a sneak peak of whats its like. Only thing I know is "you can craft and have over 500 skills available to customize your character" ok like what? Or I goto forums and read topics of what we want. Well It does matter what I want but it would help if I knew more of the game to help with what I want. What I want now may very well differ to what I want when I actually play the game. WHY? Because I really dont know a whole lot about it other then forums and discussions but no physical CONTENT just CONTEXT.

This is not a flame I am very disapointed with the devs from AC2 and I would really hate to be deceived by the DF devs. It just seems I'm being TOLD rather then SOLD before I and we really know. Well I dont like those tactics.

Dying To Live-53 zerker Darktide of AC2

Veilroth

11-27-2003, 08:38 PM

I really like the " making a better game...." It's like, "Uh guys, this game of ours... It will turn out better than we first anticipated..."

You don't go "Damn" after that :D

Dying To Live

11-27-2003, 08:47 PM

I think thats our point that bigmac and I are trying to get by. Its very easy to mislead let alone in a game where we know peices here and there but not everything. To be honest I have no proof to validate or back what they have to say.

Dont you think if you were making a game you would be thinking the same things? Who knows maybe talking up the game by saying "were making it better then others." Thats Great, and I hope they are but so far they havent proved it. So if your going to say it, back it up.

Like the saying Money Talks bullsh*t walks. Well right now my moneys talking to me saying its BS and stay in my pocket till I SEE more.

Filip

11-27-2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Dying To Live@Nov 27 2003, 07:08 PM
Only thing I know is "you can craft and have over 500 skills available to customize your character" ok like what?
did you even read the interviews, the devs made???
ok I want to see some more racial lore (mirdain) and so forth, but they did said more over crafting then you say -_- .

CyBrEn

11-27-2003, 09:44 PM

There is a difference between showing us and telling us, but WOW is just plain overhyped.
As for team size, ever hear of iD? They never have much more then twenty people employed in the entire company!

Dark_MadMax

11-27-2003, 09:50 PM

Sorry but all that are words and nothing more . I have been beta testing a crapload of games in various stages -from pre alpha to gold beta . and combined with software dev experience that gives me pretty good feel of what are true landmarks of progress . So far only thing you showed is some artwork ,some pics of scenery (pretty unfinished imho) . -thats ok for graphics engine ,but still shows nothing about actual game.

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Uilamin

11-27-2003, 09:50 PM

My main thanks is to Aventurine for not pushing the game into publication so that they can make money sooner. It is one of the few companies i have seen do this and for that most likely allowed razorWax the time they need to create Darkfall without it being abbridged. Thank you Aventurine.

P.S. Thank you devs. as well for producing such a promising game. (had to add the suck up comment in... just had too :P )

Filip

11-27-2003, 10:18 PM

They just want to keep the crowd happy ;)

Blade

11-27-2003, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by bigmac@Nov 27 2003, 04:11 PM
One thing I find strange is how they think they are going to release Darkfall in 2004.
The development on Darkfall didnt start until they got the Greek publisher and a real team together which was in December of 2002.
This means that the game has not been in REAL development for any longer than 10 months or so. Hell, lets say a year..
Hmmm, pretty weird that im following this game since august 2001......damn must have been halucinating all that time i spent on these boards........... :blink:

ryan10230

11-27-2003, 10:22 PM

It sucks that its taking longer than expected, but thanks for being honest.

Porthios

11-27-2003, 10:38 PM

Thank you. The update is greatly appreciated. I find that my confidence in the RW/Aventurine team has risen.

CyBrEn

11-27-2003, 10:56 PM

Uhr... I'm fairly certain the website itself was launched in august 2001.
For one thing, they're not trying to prove anything in this thread, they're just telling us how far along they are. If they're lying, that's a despicable buisiness practice, and I would never buy Darkfall. Let's hope they're not.

EDIT: And, as for iD, yes, they "only" develop FPS games, however, all of them are completally hand built. Carmack doesn't belive in using other peoples software, such as directX.

Decius

11-27-2003, 11:24 PM

Hopefully this statement was released to let us know we can begin to see more of the things on our collective wish-lists.

It sounds, to me, like they are saying they've reached a point that that feel more confident. Let's hope for some moer racial lore (Dwarf!), combat / HUD shots, and much more.

Urk_the_Smasher

11-27-2003, 11:44 PM

Well, for all the people who are bitching that darkfall hasn't shown any progress, the df guys said that they would have a new website soon up, with all the things you have asked for regarding proof.

Dark_MadMax

11-27-2003, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by CyBrEn@Nov 27 2003, 04:56 PM

EDIT: And, as for iD, yes, they "only" develop FPS games, however, all of them are completally hand built. Carmack doesn't belive in using other peoples software, such as directX.
Please stop this incompetent BS . Id sofware as all dev in the worls use software developed by other people. - For their engine they use OGL interface , for coding itself they use compilers and devs framework written by other ppl also , they use 3d party sound , interface, network libraries and so on and so on.

And actualyl ID didnt write a lot of games lately - they specialise in engines . Usually some 3d party ( like raven software) writes actual game content . lates ID sofware product is Q3 engine - very successfull one and very well built .

Mythic was very smart by taking over 3d party 3d engine -saving a lot of developers time and hassle and concentrating on game itself.

Dying To Live

11-27-2003, 11:54 PM

Consumers=Donkey
Devs=Carrot in front of donkey

now the math part donkey plus carrot in front equals? A total Leed on and thats all they have right now. As far was WOW being over-hyped, well the blizzard team is doing a lot more to add to the hype then the DF devs who have given you simple screenshots that do no justice. All I see for updates on DF website is about IGN screen shots. Boring... Give me better Screens I dont want to see ruines unless you have ruines with a battle or monster or user interface but no just ruines and landscapes. How about I open up maya and make my own ruines/landscape ahh then I can sell it to em? but thats not why Im here.

I'll goto blizzards site and see more pictures, that are more interesting, and actuall videos, I see updated articles.

DarkFall online, hmm FAQ's a bunch of boring SS's and Forums. Forums is all they have had to hold the carrot in front of you all since 2001. Now ask your self honestly, and I mean honestly now, has it been worth it or do you see how DF devs have lead you on some way?

DF should be a great game (from what were TOLD), but from what I see from WOW or even Lineage2 a lot better, compaired to DF which is not a whole lot. If the devs are so confident, well the proofs in the pudding but the devs dont have the pudding apparently or else they would show it off.

Now when I say all this, Im not here just to post some blablabla. Im here cause this game SOUNDS bad ass. I would really enjoy playing it if its all summed up to be what it is. But right now theres no evidence that supports this. While everyones like OHH WOW NEW SS OF RUINES YAE. Maybe thats not what I want to see but someone else does.

And if this post has denied me access to perhaps a beta well so be it Im just being honest and I'd like to see more of the game it's self then words that mean nothing to me right now.

Dying To Live

11-28-2003, 12:00 AM

on a side note should we expect seeing DF at E3 of 2004 because thats the way it looks right now from what they've shown me.

bigmac

11-28-2003, 12:13 AM

Hmmm, pretty weird that im following this game since august 2001......

Right. But back than they only had like 4 people working on it. What can 4 people do other than code some tools and put together a simple alpha demo.
Thats why i said the REAL work began when they got the Greek publisher and real team together.

They could goto E3 though... its 6 months from now. HOWEVER, they are saying they will goto E3 with a "finished" game. Will never happen.

<Oromea|Gaintlord> Any plans to make E3 this year (2004) tasos?
<Tasos|Dev> We probably will go this year with a finished game.

So am I correct in assuming they feel the game wil be completed in 6 months when they have not even entered a early beta yet?

Blade

11-28-2003, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Dying To Live@Nov 27 2003, 05:54 PM
DarkFall online, hmm FAQ's a bunch of boring SS's and Forums. Forums is all they have had to hold the carrot in front of you all since 2001. Now ask your self honestly, and I mean honestly now, has it been worth it or do you see how DF devs have lead you on some way?

Well, sorry dude. I have seen a tremendous development in the screens i have seen since i joined in 2001. And yes, it has been a slow development cause they started out as a 4 or 5 man team in a basement in Norway, and just recentlly have found a Publisher. Since they have one, the development in the SS has been very big, at least in my oppinion.

Maybe for you guys who have just come onboard a few weeks or months ago its not enough to keep you interested, but ah well, you cant please everybody now, can ya?

Im sure well get to see more stuff when the devs think they are ready to show us more stuff.

Blade

11-28-2003, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by bigmac@Nov 27 2003, 06:13 PM
Hmmm, pretty weird that im following this game since august 2001......

Right. But back than they only had like 4 people working on it. What can 4 people do other than code some tools and put together a simple alpha demo.
Thats why i said the REAL work began when they got the Greek publisher and real team together.

They could goto E3 though... its 6 months from now. HOWEVER, they are saying they will goto E3 with a "finished" game. Will never happen.

So am I correct in assuming they feel the game wil be completed in 6 months when they have not even entered a early beta yet?
If i remember correctlly, they said back then, that they had allready been developing the engine and stuff a year before the forums opened, so yeah i think they had a good part of the game at least frameworked at the time of the opening of the forums.

Tasos

11-28-2003, 12:40 AM

First of all, we will be showing a lot more of Darkfall

Dying To Live

11-28-2003, 12:58 AM

well I can understand that, and Im sure we'll get better pictures to come. Even in your pictures though you have an alpha section, why not put the pictures and mark them alpha. As you feel you progress to a higher version beta whatever start a section there and hi-light those photos.

Yea Im already attracted to the game, but from the hype of DF rather then WOW Im just not seeing I guess what I wanted to see, and obviously theres reasons why you havent posted HUD screens, skill bars ect battle scenes. We can only have hope :unsure:

CyBrEn

11-28-2003, 01:21 AM

So am I correct in assuming they feel the game wil be completed in 6 months when they have not even entered a early beta yet? They DID enter beta testing. It's just a private beta test as opposed to a closed, public test.

EDIT: there are some old HUD screens. I'll get them from Stratics.
EDIT No 2: http://www.stratics.com/content/portals/df...od/07112002.jpg (http://www.stratics.com/content/portals/df/content/sod/07112002.jpg) http://www.stratics.com/content/portals/df...od/07102002.jpg (http://www.stratics.com/content/portals/df/content/sod/07102002.jpg)
not exactally jaw dropping, but they're HUD's none the less.

Indian

11-28-2003, 01:24 AM

This attitude is the reason you're seeing improvement every week, and why you'll continue seeing it.

I agree on the improvements. The pictures have improved A LOT from the ones called alfa and even from the Trinwood pics to the Firerun ones which have only a few weeks difference. I like seeing this because you see the work between the weeks.

Ferox

11-28-2003, 01:56 AM

Show some progress rather than saying your making it. It will get you much further. I've seen next to NOTHING coming from this game in the past months other than the IGN peek of the weeks showing some character models and a few screens.

I also agree with big mac and I can see where he and many others are coming from., its funny how there truely has never been a darkfall video ever with the exception of that old old fly through of the environment. Previous mmorpg devs have made us learn to not trust, we are all very carefull about what we believe.

they are keeping very tight liped and feeding us as little info as they can, it is a bit disheartening, but I will still keep the faith :).

Falstaff

11-28-2003, 03:05 AM

Thx for the update, keep up the good work! :)

foofighter405

11-28-2003, 04:06 AM

Nice to see hear and i hope it runs smooth for you dev's..so umm i can play sooner :)

Nitzel

11-28-2003, 04:21 AM

Thanks for the update Tasos

Surly

11-28-2003, 04:48 AM

Well happy fucking thanksgiving to you too.

Morlem

11-28-2003, 08:17 AM

It's a pleasure to hear that you are both keeping busing and making progress. Either one by itself could have been a bit dissapointing. B)
Know that we appreciate the effort that has been put into making this game an enjoyable one.
-Morlem

Fitzchivalry Farseer

11-28-2003, 09:36 AM

looking groovy B)

Heinrich_SoA

11-28-2003, 10:46 AM

I read through all the replies and I was gonna say exactly what Tasos said.

Although I understand where all the pessimism is coming from, how many games actually looked as good as they did in those nifty battle SS's and videos they put out before release when the game was finally finished?

I completely understand where Tasos is coming from, and I appreciate the fact that they're not trying to impress us with super cool SS's. Rather I think they're gonna try to impress us with a finished product that actually lives up to their claims, unlike most every other MMORPG ever released. They're dedicating time that other companies spend putting together videos to get done with what needs to be done. True they'll lose a few people in the early stages due to lack of marketing, but since they're focusing on actually completing the product I think we're gonna end up with a winner that's gonna attract alot more people from those other games that were releasing videos and SS's.

What we have on our hands here is a company that's giving us *HONEST* reports of how far along the game is. They're not putting out videos and SS's to make us think the game is cooler than it really is, they're putting out SS's saying okay this is what we've done, it's not perfect yet but we're getting there. And THAT'S what I like to see. As opposed to say SB where they tell us one thing and the game comes out as garbage. "But hey you liked the nifty videos, didn't you?"

I'd like to revise Dying to Live's donkey analogy.

Consumers = Donkey
Dazzling Videos and Super Cool SS's = Carrot in front of the donkey

I have 100% faith in the devs, and I have 100% faith that DF will come out to at least meet my expectations.

I also greatly appreciate the honesty that the devs show when releasing new screenshots and progress reports.

Diamonium

11-28-2003, 10:58 AM

I believe!

With all the little common sense and "sense motive" skills I have,
I do believe in these developers. Take your time, - I will be here!

I want to concentrate all my will into one game(where you can do it all)
and am so fond of one race per server ideas.

Though I guess, I am are the major minority :/

Massive hurray to you!
In friends and team we should trust, God has nothing to do with it! :rolleyes:

Charlie

11-28-2003, 12:16 PM

I'm happy about the fact that the game isn't being stripped down like ROT is and even big games like SWG have been.

to the naysayers, I'd like to point out that the devs have showed us a lot of art so far, and it's obvious that they AT LEAST have good artists. How hard would it be for them to create screenies with e.g. the dragons attacking a bunch of characters, or a war sceene or make movies with a plot. I like that they haven't done anythig like that yet and it makes me feel better about the stuff that we do get to see. IT's a bullshit negative point to make that they aren't showing when they clearly could if they wanted to. To me I think it's a plus for integrity.

Gunther TheBlack

11-28-2003, 01:09 PM

I can understand the whine posts but still. You maybe follow this game for 2 months and already start to bitch at the devs that they don't show enouph eyecandy.

Dude people like you are the reason why publishers rush the production of their mmorpg's because you say they are a bunch of lyers that don't show any "cool" stuff. Tasos told me that they build the game first before adding the eye candy.

Showing the game with bad graphics will scare of a lot of people and would give people like you more reasons to bitch and say df is bad.

I guess you also never heard of stuff like "all dates can be set to change", "content may change over time", etc So i assume you are either a non mmorpg player or someone who forgets fast.

You can ask for movies, new pics, new lore etc, but starting to bitch at the devs over a thread that they did to PLEASE the followers of df is just like saying "fuck of we don't need that we only need a finished game within 6 months."

No need to rush things or do you lives depend on this?
Be optimistic instead of another depressed pessimist who bitch at everything they can.

Have faith in the devs, it's not like it's the most important thing in your live that they delay the game for 6 more months.

Viranth

11-28-2003, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by bigmac@Nov 27 2003, 07:56 PM
Well someone has to do it.

This is all cool and stuff but unfortunately talk is cheap... especially when its all "great news".

Show some progress rather than saying your making it. It will get you much further. I've seen next to NOTHING coming from this game in the past months other than the IGN peek of the weeks showing some character models and a few screens.

Wasn't there supposed to be a beta this month? This year? What happened to that?

They only have 24 people? I thought there was at least 35 people working here?

That team is TINY for making a MMORPG.

DAOC had like 35+ people and it took them 2.8 years to launch a shell of a game.

Shadowbane had a team of around 25 people and look what they came up with in 4 years.

Sorry my glass is always half empty.
:ph34r:
You registered a month ago, and talk about cheap talk?
If you look at the stuff they have released since they first annouced the game, you'll see that there has been a lot of progress.
And here's a little cookie just for you;
If they're not 100% satisfied with what they got, they don't want to publish it. Why? Because it's likely to change, and when you keep changing things, people will whine. (example, flying and deformable terrain)

Beta already started, but beta means many things.. There usually is internal beta (which is what stage they're in now), closed beta (few selected people gets in) open beta..
There are severtal stages of beta, and those I just described might not fit the description for what the stages DF is going through, but you should get the idea.

24 people working on the game is pretty good, considering they started as 4 guys in a basement!
To comparison everquest has around 20 people on their development team...

Please don't compare Darkfall to Shadowbane. Just because they had 25 people doesn't mean they're doing the same job. Just look at the american and russian space programs, the americans spent millions of dollars making a pen that would work in outer space, while the russians just used a pencil... Different priorities, different people = different product.

Viranth

11-28-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by bigmac@Nov 28 2003, 12:13 AM
Hmmm, pretty weird that im following this game since august 2001......

Right. But back than they only had like 4 people working on it. What can 4 people do other than code some tools and put together a simple alpha demo.
Thats why i said the REAL work began when they got the Greek publisher and real team together.

They could goto E3 though... its 6 months from now. HOWEVER, they are saying they will goto E3 with a "finished" game. Will never happen.

<Oromea|Gaintlord> Any plans to make E3 this year (2004) tasos?
<Tasos|Dev> We probably will go this year with a finished game.

So am I correct in assuming they feel the game wil be completed in 6 months when they have not even entered a early beta yet?
Again I find it hard to believe you know more about the game than a developer.
As for before they were hooking up with the greeks, they were 8 or more people working on the game, they had some freelancers and such do artwork etc, so from Razorwax officially started in 2001, I would say it was "real" work.

Again with the beta... they have started internal beta. Read what I wrote in my last post for more.

Gaintlord

11-28-2003, 01:31 PM

to people of the boards

I agree with Gunther TheBlack

I have been following this game now for almost a year and a half. Now we get people that so these so called people thats been following this game for over 2 years (how just now start to post andI never even seen before and also think they know all).

To you new people (who think they been around awhile but have not) chill out!!

To the Dev's:

Keep up the good work. Lets show these others games how to make a really good game out of the box!!!

Darkmatter

11-28-2003, 02:38 PM

In Razorwax we trust !

Mayseth

11-28-2003, 06:43 PM

Tasos, thanks for the update.

I'd like to make a suggestion though, every update to the game should be posted on the news site, ie. this thread, or RPG Vaults updates. Random surfers who come across the site see it hasn't been updated in awhile and tend to run off.

Might help bring in more members to the community.

:rolleyes:

Mieszko

11-28-2003, 07:58 PM

Ya thanks Tasos I'm sure a lot of people needed toknow this so we the boredpeople of Mirc can keep our hopes up :)

S|ain

11-28-2003, 08:05 PM

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Dying To Live

11-28-2003, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Heinrich_SoA@Nov 28 2003, 03:46 AM
I'd like to revise Dying to Live's donkey analogy.

Consumers = Donkey
Dazzling Videos and Super Cool SS's = Carrot in front of the donkey
umm since when were the pictures super cool and what dazzling videos I think I really missed the videos there never was or has been...Ohh you mean the fly by camera of the landscape EWWW. not too hard to rig a camera for that, you'd spend more time rendering then actual production of such a video they have teased you with.

maya 101 ohh but I doubt they have maya maybe 3dsmax.

Fleshriiper

11-28-2003, 10:06 PM

bigmac, you're right about alot of things in your post.

i'm thinking more in the lines of a release on the earliest in Q4 2004. Though its good to see they are confident, i also think it was abit rushed to say they would have a finished game .. any time soon.

lets just see if they start the next beta stage within the year first..

Andonis

11-28-2003, 11:52 PM

Its good to hear the game is coming along so nicely keep up the gw devs! :D

Indian

11-29-2003, 01:05 AM

Bigmac, you're basically suggesting that the Darkfall devs are either lying, or that they don't have a clue..... so what are you wasting your expert time here for?

If you're gonna start casually recommending another game, get it over with already.

Moordie

11-29-2003, 01:38 AM

Its good to hear how things are progressing.. can't wait to play...

:D

KniteFlux

11-29-2003, 02:56 AM

"We're making a better game than we set out to make."

That is admirable. It usually ends up as: "Um, we didn't have the time to add what we promised, please play still..." I am ever eager to see what you all cooked up for us (although I am saddened by the drop of the last name system). So the natural response to this would be, "Does this mean beta is starting soon?" But I won't go there. *winks* All good things come in time.

Til' Next Chumemr,
KniteFlux

Gunther TheBlack

11-29-2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by bigmac@Nov 28 2003, 02:47 PM

Personally I feel these guys are biting off WAY more than they will be able to handle with this product based on experience (or lack there of) and team sizes and the design of the game and what they are saying will be in it.

For not even having a 50% completed product, not even being in a real beta yet and being amateurs they are WAY to confident.
Having 80% of the art done means nothing if it isn't in-game, functioning properly, and bug free.

I don't need to be a developer, I don't need to be on the team, I and many here have been involved in enough mmorpg betas to know better. <_<
hey biggy, the thing that they stick the plan is something that can be called a big achievment, off course you can say "but it are only words" yah but somehow i do believe those words.

Every random person can come here and say they won't finish the product within a year. It only requires the ability to bitch at people.

Not every beta is the same you know :)
that's something a lot of other beta players also experienced, but i guess you are more of a doom thinker, the pessimist that loves it when people spread out good news and you are there to say that it won't happen.

It spices the forum but it's not a reason to call the devs lyers. These devs are friendly people if you met them in irc or seen their reply's on these forum compared to the devs of other games. That's one of the reasons most people do believe them but if you are just following this game it's kinda normal you don't trust the devs ;)

Heinrich_SoA

11-29-2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Dying To Live+Nov 28 2003, 12:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dying To Live @ Nov 28 2003, 12:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Heinrich_SoA@Nov 28 2003, 03:46 AM
I'd like to revise Dying to Live's donkey analogy.

Consumers = Donkey
Dazzling Videos and Super Cool SS's = Carrot in front of the donkey
umm since when were the pictures super cool and what dazzling videos I think I really missed the videos there never was or has been...Ohh you mean the fly by camera of the landscape EWWW. not too hard to rig a camera for that, you'd spend more time rendering then actual production of such a video they have teased you with.

maya 101 ohh but I doubt they have maya maybe 3dsmax. [/b][/quote]
I'm talking about the pictures and videos other games release, you're obviously head over heals about them and you haven't seen any hard evidence that those games are worth a shit either. They've done their job in lulling you in and making you believe those games are so much better.

That's why those pics and videos are the carrot in front of the donkey, donkey.

qePs

11-29-2003, 12:44 PM

EDIT: there are some old HUD screens. I'll get them from Stratics.
EDIT No 2: http://www.stratics.com/content/portals/df...od/07112002.jpg http://www.stratics.com/content/portals/df...od/07102002.jpg
not exactally jaw dropping, but they're HUD's none the less.

Dude, those screenshots are from like pre-alpha. I dont think the HUD looks like that at the moment. I certainly hope they dont ^^.

Gunther TheBlack

11-29-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by qePs@Nov 29 2003, 05:44 AM

Dude, those screenshots are from like pre-alpha. I dont think the HUD looks like that at the moment. I certainly hope they dont ^^.
Yah but if they had that in pre-alpha you know they improved it by now. They gave us dwarven animations in pre alpha also.

Jangang

11-29-2003, 10:55 PM

I just want to say that I am, and have been impressed by the development team. You guys seem to be real down to earth people, making the game that I've always wanted to play. Everything I've seen, or read thus far has impressed me. Keep up the good work, and release the game "When its done."

To the nay sayers, just wait and see. I have absolute faith that the game they deliver will be everything they've said it will be, and likley a lot more. Most of the games you mensioned had problems yea, but that is irrelevent to this game. DAoC had a core concept that was retarded. SB was released way to soon, and simply was not done yet when Ubisoft forced WP to give the go ahead to publish. AC2... Well the only thing I got to say about AC2 is that it is the worst concept EVER, the worst gameplay EVER, the worst races EVER, they forgot to write a plot, they forgot to do everything but make an engine, and plug some pretty graphics into it. AC2 was simply the WORST GAME EVER CREATED, EVER, BY ANYONE!!!! /Rant off

Back to a more positive note. I'm really excited to check out the new website when its lauched. I'm really very excited about just about everything about Darkfall, and though I sometimes think I can't wait for release in reality I want it to take as long as it takes.

Keep up the good work!

Mordeph

11-30-2003, 02:43 AM

Thanks for the updates guys, we have faith.

Bigmac your an idiot. If you are gonna be ignorant, go do it on some other board. K THANKS ;)

Critter

11-30-2003, 03:21 AM

All anyone has at this point is blind faith in the devs, maybe you should start trusting them for once. they are gamers making a game for other gamers so i really dont think they'll screw it up at all since they know what we want.

Afgar

11-30-2003, 03:40 AM

Bigmac's not being ignorant.

Anyone who is already madly in love with Darkfall and positive that it will be a perfect game is, at this point, ignorant.

Jangang

11-30-2003, 03:57 AM

Shadowbane was flawed for one reason, and only one reason. Ubisoft forced them to publish before they were ready. If they had more time the game would have been much better.

West

11-30-2003, 07:01 AM

Exxxxxcellent. Smithers, I like the cut of his jib. *taps fingers together*

Froam

11-30-2003, 07:02 AM

This news is absolutely fabulous! :lol:

Gunther TheBlack

11-30-2003, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by bigmac@Nov 29 2003, 07:01 PM
Only fools put blind faith into something. Anyone can talk a good talk.

To the nay sayers, just wait and see. I have absolute faith that the game they deliver will be everything they've said it will be, and likley a lot more.

In the end talk is cheap and will always be especially when your in the MMORPG industry. :ph34r:
Tell that to all religious people etc.
Maybe you are religious yourselve?

Hmm, well talk is cheap indeed and that's why i don't understand why you seem to get pissed over this thread. Think positive big mac :)
I know it can be hard after the latest mmorpg's but seeing the concept of df alone is already better than a finished game like eq ;)

Viranth

11-30-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by bigmac@Nov 30 2003, 02:01 AM
This thread would have gained them much more credibility if they would have released a nice new batch of screens to go along with it or some in-game video or something.

But to just pop up out of the blue and say "hey everythings awesome" when there really hasn't been much of anything new with the game doesn't cut it for most people. Only fools put blind faith into something. Anyone can talk a good talk.

To the nay sayers, just wait and see. I have absolute faith that the game they deliver will be everything they've said it will be, and likley a lot more.

So did the people who were following Shadowbane for 4 years.

In the end talk is cheap and will always be especially when your in the MMORPG industry. :ph34r:
Sounds like you got burned on SB... And I'm sure you're going to reply "I knew it was going to suck from day 1" ;)

Anyways, since you basically just started following the game, haven't interacted with the devs, just read their statements here at the boards, I'm sure you feel confused and think they're just telling the community what they want us to hear.

But from talking to the devs and seeing the way this game has progressed, I know this game will be very good. The developers are gamers themselves, they used to play D&D and AD&D boardgames, they want a cool game as much as we want.

There has been many like "you" in the past, both here and on the irc channel, saying it will fail like SB. "You" cause some fuzz for a little while, then fade away, then come back once the devs says something containing "beta", and whine cause it's not out. Yeah, if any talk is "cheap" here, it's yours...

Heinrich_SoA

11-30-2003, 12:15 PM

Well said Viranth, well said.

Let them finish the game, quit pressuring them. Just because you're all impatient and hard to please doesn't mean the game needs to be pushed ahead and get ruined for those of us who have lives off the computer and are willing to wait for the game to be fully developed.

Bissen

11-30-2003, 02:12 PM

WAKAWAKA OOH OOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

/me starts dancing like a zulu warrior with bloodlust!!!!!!

Exmortis

11-30-2003, 07:26 PM

Hah, I love this game that I haven't played yet! Wooohooo

Ren

11-30-2003, 10:24 PM

Very encouraging! I have gotten a good vibe from the development team, and these honest updates add to that growing confidence.

Iceman

12-03-2003, 05:20 AM

This is great News!!! :D

Dying To Live

12-03-2003, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Heinrich_SoA@Nov 29 2003, 04:09 AM
I'm talking about the pictures and videos other games release, you're obviously head over heals about them and you haven't seen any hard evidence that those games are worth a shit either. They've done their job in lulling you in and making you believe those games are so much better.

That's why those pics and videos are the carrot in front of the donkey, donkey.
to:Heinrich_SoA

No thats actually content they are updating and giving me a better perspective about the game itself. Not only do they show pictures they have articles about the game and more in depth look. I see no articles about the game functionality at all by the devs only thing I can do is read through forums and more forums that lead to me very unorganized topics. Half the time is people posting questions and people like yourself that are hardheaded and trust theses devs so much. In reality you dont know shit just as much as I dont. Then I have to search and see where a dev posted the TRUTH about the questions in forums.

Hmm I can goto blizzards site, not go through forums but have actual content that tells me more about the game. And what makes you think this game is worth shit? You havent seen shit but your being told a bunch of bullshit. So quit being a fanboy for this game and open your eyes. And thats my point Im trying to get across. The devs are talking a storm up just like you and what proof is to back their word? NADA GOD DAMN THING!

And Im not even trying to compair this game to other games, Im compairing what one Developer has done to INFORM the community rather then mislead a community such as this.

The devs are new and pretty unexperienced. The devs for Asherons Call 2 made AC1 a great hit. What did they do to AC2? They made a shit game thats retail thats still bugged and it just as well have stayed a 1 year beta still to this day. What makes you think someone new to this genre of games let alone the magnitude of a MMO can make this work and happen. Yea anyone can brainstorm cool ideas and thats what they have done. But as far as incorporating all this "Talk" they have been saying, its more a milestone to do so then an acheivement. Why is that? Because they talk about making this game "BETTER THEN ANY OTHER OUT THERE." Yet really theres no evidence of this.

Show me the evidence and I'll gladly shut the fuck up. But till then Im still in the background playing my SHIT MMO hoping this will be better, but my hopes are now starting to fade away.

Ohh and who are you again Heinrich_SoA? Ohh yea someone that signed up to this board the same day I did of last month.

CyBrEn

12-03-2003, 11:20 PM

Experience isn't always a good thing.
Though, I agree, I want more show, less tell.

Beazel

12-04-2003, 02:08 AM

Thanks for the update and continue the great work !
I've never been so excited about a game then i am to Darkfall right now. Coming from an incredible and addictive experience i had playing Ultima Online couple years ago, Darkfall Online is the next best thing for me. A very exciting time.

monte

12-04-2003, 01:55 PM

Thank you for the update. I am impressed by the context that you are not going to cut any corners. It will be great to see a game finally finished with the ideals it started with then changes do to publishers. Can

Dying To Live

12-04-2003, 08:32 PM

To the Developers,

I may have been a pain, ranting about content shown here. Well you answered me with your IGN #15 pictures with the GUI interface and a few features show along with a brief article outlining these. That is pretty much what I asked for and I got it.

If feel if you give us pictures like these and do your disclaimer saying this is pretty much where we are at, however this isnt final rendition and it can and will look much better for instance.

Now I will stfu and continue playing AC2 on Darktide killing all the coldeve players that are lowbies with my NOW 54 berzerker! Devs for AC2 didnt merge DT with CE =\ broken promises once again

Did I mention the AC2 devs bumped patch day which they tell the players is Nov 15th to fuckin Nov 23rd. Give me a fuckin break.

Bad dev=making consumer ride the emotional roller coaster

Gowel

12-04-2003, 09:22 PM

I may have been a pain, ranting about content shown here. Well you answered me with your IGN #15 pictures with the GUI interface and a few features show along with a brief article outlining these. That is pretty much what I asked for and I got it
Understand that alot of us had requested UI shots for a very long time now. They gave them to us because they decided that it was time to show them to us. Not because yourself, or any one person, requested them. It was for the entire community. Also, I don't mean to be rude, but it'd be much more helpful to the community as a whole if people like yourself were more appreciative and supporting, rather than demanding, arrogant and negative.

Preka

12-05-2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Dying To Live+Nov 28 2003, 02:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dying To Live @ Nov 28 2003, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Heinrich_SoA@Nov 28 2003, 03:46 AM
I'd like to revise Dying to Live's donkey analogy.

Consumers = Donkey
Dazzling Videos and Super Cool SS's = Carrot in front of the donkey
umm since when were the pictures super cool and what dazzling videos I think I really missed the videos there never was or has been...Ohh you mean the fly by camera of the landscape EWWW. not too hard to rig a camera for that, you'd spend more time rendering then actual production of such a video they have teased you with.

maya 101 ohh but I doubt they have maya maybe 3dsmax. [/b][/quote]
He wasn't referring to anything the DF devs have done. He was referring to what most MMO devs do.

Once upon a time, there was a game called "Ultima Online 2". It had screenshots. It had videos. It was vaporware. That's what he's referring to.