Why I don't make a good student

[Vanno]

So, I recently read a blog entry of a past Economics professor; essentially he fell into the old broken window fallacy, and I very lightly reprimanded his point of view. I also went on a bit about how National debt is a bit irrelevant because our money system is one such that we just roll it over anyway. Apparently, he didn't take kindly to my words, and he wrote me directly saying...

"If you wonder why I deleted your comment, it’s because you don’t know what you are talking about. If you are going to toss phrases out criticizing me, at least get a clue about the basics of stabilization policy. The fallacy you cited simply doesn’t apply in the framework used for this type of analysis (yeah, I know, 99% of the economists commit this fallacy and the ones you listen to are right…)

I don’t have time to explain why each time (and it gets into a back and forth thing I don’t want to get in to in comments since this takes way, way too much time already and it confuses people even more), so if it happens again, i.e. if you are criticizing me and a comment gets deleted, it’s because I thought it was without any foundation (i.e. made no sense) and saw no reason to allow a baseless criticism to stand for others to read. If it’s valid, that’s fine, but not when it’s from lack of understanding. If I make a mistake, so be it, but when I do it I’m pretty darn sure I’m right (as this time).

Sometimes people react in ways that I’d rather not have in comments after these emails, so I’ll hold comments for moderation temporarily. If things are normal, no problem, I’ll lift it quickly. Experience says this is best."

I'm not entirely sure what he is talking about when he mentioned "the ones" I listen to; as I had to hear his lectures going through college. Perhaps, he was patting himself on the back. Anyway, I didn't know professor's could be so sensitive.

[Madrandomize]

So, I recently read a blog entry of a past Economics professor; essentially he fell into the old broken window fallacy, and I very lightly reprimanded his point of view. I also went on a bit about how National debt is a bit irrelevant because our money system is one such that we just roll it over anyway. Apparently, he didn't take kindly to my words, and he wrote me directly saying...

"If you wonder why I deleted your comment, it’s because you don’t know what you are talking about. If you are going to toss phrases out criticizing me, at least get a clue about the basics of stabilization policy. The fallacy you cited simply doesn’t apply in the framework used for this type of analysis (yeah, I know, 99% of the economists commit this fallacy and the ones you listen to are right…)

I don’t have time to explain why each time (and it gets into a back and forth thing I don’t want to get in to in comments since this takes way, way too much time already and it confuses people even more), so if it happens again, i.e. if you are criticizing me and a comment gets deleted, it’s because I thought it was without any foundation (i.e. made no sense) and saw no reason to allow a baseless criticism to stand for others to read. If it’s valid, that’s fine, but not when it’s from lack of understanding. If I make a mistake, so be it, but when I do it I’m pretty darn sure I’m right (as this time).

Sometimes people react in ways that I’d rather not have in comments after these emails, so I’ll hold comments for moderation temporarily. If things are normal, no problem, I’ll lift it quickly. Experience says this is best."

I'm not entirely sure what he is talking about when he mentioned "the ones" I listen to; as I had to hear his lectures going through college. Perhaps, he was patting himself on the back. Anyway, I didn't know professor's could be so sensitive.

To make a good student you need the following:
35 liters of water, 20 kilos of carbon, 4 liters of ammonia, 1.5 kilos of lime, phosphorus 800 grams, niter 250 grams, magnesium, manganese 1.5 grams, iron 5 grams, silicon 3 grams.

And a transmutation circle.

[Lethn]

I wouldn't be too bothered about it, my dad moderates a site full of these professors and writers who are supposed to be some of the most clever people around but apparently the say the most idiotic things just because they're on the internet, anymosity is a wonderful and annoying thing really.

plus in nearly ALL of my experiences unless they are actually directly from the field they teach in ( then they actually seem to be alright for some reason ) nearly EVERY teacher I have ever met acts like a completely arrogant bastard and it amazes me sometimes how they even keep their jobs with the way they act because they either teach you something they believe is right even though it might be wrong and if you disagree with it then they don't teach you at all.

Which leads me to what I've said about the education system before, it's pretty much a place where all you have to do is say yes to everything in order to get good grades, probably why I got such poor grades from the start because I wasn't willing to listen to bullshit.

[Vanno]

I wouldn't be too bothered about it, my dad moderates a site full of these professors and writers who are supposed to be some of the most clever people around but apparently the say the most idiotic things just because they're on the internet, anymosity is a wonderful and annoying thing really.

I'm more amused by it than anything.

To make a good student you need the following:
35 liters of water, 20 kilos of carbon, 4 liters of ammonia, 1.5 kilos of lime, phosphorus 800 grams, niter 250 grams, magnesium, manganese 1.5 grams, iron 5 grams, silicon 3 grams.

And a transmutation circle.

If enrolled at what school?

[alfaroverall]

Madrandomize: you forgot the cobalt. The person would be dead within a week or less without that one enzyme that contains cobalt at its center. Wish I could remember what it did. There's also a lack of a handful of other minerals like copper and zinc, along with things like iodine.

On-topic: thanks for posting this Vanno. I haven't taken an econ course yet (I'll probably take one in the spring; this semester the only lecture for the course I'd be taking was from 7:00-10:00 PM once a week) and so I hadn't heard of the broken window fallacy. Just googled it and learned about it.

[Aragoni]

Madrandomize: you forgot the cobalt. The person would be dead within a week or less without that one enzyme that contains cobalt at its center. Wish I could remember what it did. There's also a lack of a handful of other minerals like copper and zinc, along with things like iodine.

On-topic: thanks for posting this Vanno. I haven't taken an econ course yet (I'll probably take one in the spring; this semester the only lecture for the course I'd be taking was from 7:00-10:00 PM once a week) and so I hadn't heard of the broken window fallacy. Just googled it and learned about it.

Are you saying there's copper in each person...? TIME TO MINE IN CHINA!

[alfaroverall]

Are you saying there's copper in each person...? TIME TO MINE IN CHINA!
It's <10 mg as I recall. It's also bound up in complex organic molecules that would be hell to isolate and break down.

[Madrandomize]

Madrandomize: you forgot the cobalt. The person would be dead within a week or less without that one enzyme that contains cobalt at its center. Wish I could remember what it did. There's also a lack of a handful of other minerals like copper and zinc, along with things like iodine.

It wouldnt work anyways (others have tried but failed) so instead of a good student you would have a nice piece of meat to roast on fire ,which is also good.I would also add salt, pepper and lemon after that.Yummy!

[Vanno]

Madrandomize: you forgot the cobalt. The person would be dead within a week or less without that one enzyme that contains cobalt at its center. Wish I could remember what it did.

On-topic: thanks for posting this Vanno. I haven't taken an econ course yet (I'll probably take one in the spring; this semester the only lecture for the course I'd be taking was from 7:00-10:00 PM once a week) and so I hadn't heard of the broken window fallacy. Just googled it and learned about it.

You are in for a treat with Economics. You go from micro, which is the Economics of making sense and practical application, to macro, which is something completely different. Likewise, I’m not sure if there is a faculty with a bigger inferiority complex than the one you'll find in your Economics department.

[alfaroverall]

You are in for a treat with Economics. You go from micro, which is the Economics of making sense and practical application, to macro, which is something completely different. Likewise, I’m not sure if there is a faculty with a bigger inferiority complex than the one you'll find in your Economics department.
This course is exclusively microeconomics. I'll probably take a macroeconomics course at some point though.

And yes, my dad has told me that I'll probably enjoy econ. It's a pity I couldn't take it this semester.

[Damwa]

Since we don't know anything about the preceding exchange of arguments, we really have no grounds for knowing whether his response was reasonable or not.
That being said: academia is a "cut-throat" world of vain, self-righteous individuals who will do and say most anything to achieve dominance or preeminence over and amongst their peers. Kind of like Forumfall - only more intelligent.. (generally speaking).

[alfaroverall]

Since we don't know anything about the preceding exchange of arguments, we really have no grounds for knowing whether his response was reasonable or not.
That being said: academia is a "cut-throat" world of vain, self-righteous individuals who will do and say most anything to achieve dominance or preeminence over and amongst their peers. Kind of like Forumfall - only more intelligent.. (generally speaking).
We don't usually seek to achieve dominance over one another. We're a clean, industrious people.

[Vanno]

Since we don't know anything about the preceding exchange of arguments, we really have no grounds for knowing whether his response was reasonable or not.


There isn't a whole lot to report, essentially, a statement was made that wars either have either a zero sum, or non negative impact on the Economy, and I maintained that there is a net loss, in terms of valuation of human life, opportunity cost, and would have probably gone into currency devaluation as well, if a fit was not thrown.

That being said: academia is a "cut-throat" world of vain, self-righteous individuals who will do and say most anything to achieve dominance or preeminence over and amongst their peers. Kind of like Forumfall - only more intelligent.. (generally speaking).

Except boardwarrior has more leetness to it than Ph.D

[Aragoni]

It's <10 mg as I recall. It's also bound up in complex organic molecules that would be hell to isolate and break down.

Who cares? There's money to be made.

[Damwa]

There isn't a whole lot to report, essentially, a statement was made that wars either have either a zero sum, or non negative impact on the Economy, and I maintained that there is a net loss, in terms of valuation of human life, opportunity cost, and would have probably gone into currency devaluation as well, if a fit was not thrown.

Well, then I must say (for what it is worth), that as far as I can tell: I agree with you.

[alfaroverall]

Who cares? There's money to be made.
If you can successfully profit from the <13000 kg of copper contained in all those people even after going to the trouble of killing them and using some of the most advanced chemistry known to mankind to actually isolate said copper, good luck to you. It's <$100,000 worth of it, though.

[Vanno]

Who cares? There's money to be made.

Indeed, the supply of mine-able Chinese is pretty much endless. Hell, they practically discard their females.

[Vanno]

If you can successfully profit from the <13000 kg of copper contained in all those people even after going to the trouble of killing them and using some of the most advanced chemistry known to mankind to actually isolate said copper, good luck to you. It's <$100,000 worth of it, though.

Damn, there goes Forumfalls' Ignobel Prize.

[Matriel]

Since we don't know anything about the preceding exchange of arguments, we really have no grounds for knowing whether his response was reasonable or not.
That being said: academia is a "cut-throat" world of vain, self-righteous individuals who will do and say most anything to achieve dominance or preeminence over and amongst their peers. Kind of like Forumfall - only more intelligent.. (generally speaking).

That's the biggest problem with higher education. PhD's that refuse to look at anything but the way they think and they control the next wave of Phd's who have to suck their balls and nut cup the current arguments to get their own Phd's. I almost dare call it a self-defeating cycle.

[kordoyn]

Uni economics is a gong show. Prepare to suck some large balls if you want to succeed. I've not met a prof who is willing to step outside their box when presenting a topic, which means that what you learn is mostly shit. You'd be better off reading on your own.

[Spart]

Just pointing out, but you seem to have fallen into the trap that he did. Neither of you have allowed any opinions that are different to yours.

Just thought you would be entertained by that one.

[Vanno]

Just pointing out, but you seem to have fallen into the trap that he did. Neither of you have allowed any opinions that are different to yours.

Just thought you would be entertained by that one.

Fair criticism, I suppose. However, I frequent the site, knowing I may have differences of view, and don't act indignant when my suspicion is justified. He almost seemed incensed that someone could have a difference of opinion.

Uni economics is a gong show. Prepare to suck some large balls if you want to succeed. I've not met a prof who is willing to step outside their box when presenting a topic, which means that what you learn is mostly shit. You'd be better off reading on your own.

That can be said for most subjective topics (which Economics is, ultimately). Fortunately, I served my time. Unipenetentiary, and am not obligated to impress anyone with hoover powered sycophancy

[Matriel]

Fair criticism, I suppose. However, I frequent the site, knowing I may have differences of view, and don't act indignant when my suspicion is justified. He almost seemed incensed that someone could have a difference of opinion.

It would basically invalidate his entire life. If my life was based upon something like that I'd be pissed too if someone shot holes in it.

[Vanno]

It would basically invalidate his entire life. If my life was based upon something like that I'd be pissed too if someone shot holes in it.

Good point; I perhaps should have been more sensitive......On second thought, nah.

[Matriel]

Good point; I perhaps should have been more sensitive......On second thought, nah.

Yeah, he totally deserves it. Just I understand why he's such a sensitive girl about it.

[heroshade]

To make a good student you need the following:
35 liters of water, 20 kilos of carbon, 4 liters of ammonia, 1.5 kilos of lime, phosphorus 800 grams, niter 250 grams, magnesium, manganese 1.5 grams, iron 5 grams, silicon 3 grams, 1 Wirt's leg

And a Horodric cube.

Fixt

[Ultimo]

Welcome to god-syndrome.

Even if he is wrong, he won't admit it. I once had a professor write me a 2 page criticism because I started an email with her full name instead of Dr. _______. I let her have her moment, but I lost all respect for her.

I wouldn't worry about it.

[Incanam]

Nice. I now know a little bit more of what to expect after highschool. Who knew there were bigger jerks than highschool teachers. At least they let you correct them (some of them anyway).

[chimp]

Im surprised he could even see that far down, from high up on his academic pedastool (sp?)

Im at uni, and ive met a lot of people with phd's that have pretty retarded opinions - like two chemistry phd's that believe all of the 911 thermite conspiracy bollocks.

I love the fact that he deleted your comments rather than debate you though, thats very in the spirit of academic thought and freedom.

[Killuminati]

lol, you bastiated his ass.

[Uzik]

Who the fuck posts on professor's blogs?

You should be getting flamed for that right now. Unfortunately, I have a feeling a lot of other people here do things like that. Your comment deserved to be deleted because commenting on blogs is gay.

[forestchild]

So, I recently read a blog entry of a past Economics professor; essentially he fell into the old broken window fallacy, and I very lightly reprimanded his point of view. I also went on a bit about how National debt is a bit irrelevant because our money system is one such that we just roll it over anyway. Apparently, he didn't take kindly to my words, and he wrote me directly saying...

"If you wonder why I deleted your comment, it’s because you don’t know what you are talking about. If you are going to toss phrases out criticizing me, at least get a clue about the basics of stabilization policy. The fallacy you cited simply doesn’t apply in the framework used for this type of analysis (yeah, I know, 99% of the economists commit this fallacy and the ones you listen to are right…)

I don’t have time to explain why each time (and it gets into a back and forth thing I don’t want to get in to in comments since this takes way, way too much time already and it confuses people even more), so if it happens again, i.e. if you are criticizing me and a comment gets deleted, it’s because I thought it was without any foundation (i.e. made no sense) and saw no reason to allow a baseless criticism to stand for others to read. If it’s valid, that’s fine, but not when it’s from lack of understanding. If I make a mistake, so be it, but when I do it I’m pretty darn sure I’m right (as this time).

Sometimes people react in ways that I’d rather not have in comments after these emails, so I’ll hold comments for moderation temporarily. If things are normal, no problem, I’ll lift it quickly. Experience says this is best."

I'm not entirely sure what he is talking about when he mentioned "the ones" I listen to; as I had to hear his lectures going through college. Perhaps, he was patting himself on the back. Anyway, I didn't know professor's could be so sensitive.


Sensitivity is on any intellectual lvl lol, i know plenty of proffesors who are insanely sensitive, specially when you criticise them:P

[forestchild]

Who the fuck posts on professor's blogs?

You should be getting flamed for that right now. Unfortunately, I have a feeling a lot of other people here do things like that. Your comment deserved to be deleted because commenting on blogs is gay.


And comments like this should be forbidden:P

[Damwa]

Who the fuck posts on professor's blogs?

You should be getting flamed for that right now. Unfortunately, I have a feeling a lot of other people here do things like that. Your comment deserved to be deleted because commenting on blogs is gay.

Question: I am a guy, but I like to watch girls make out. Does this mean that I am vicariously homosexual? Please respond soon, I am very troubled...

[Vanno]

Who the fuck posts on professor's blogs?

You should be getting flamed for that right now. Unfortunately, I have a feeling a lot of other people here do things like that. Your comment deserved to be deleted because commenting on blogs is gay.

Maybe I should seek out Xinnro for guidance.

Question: I am a guy, but I like to watch girls make out. Does this mean that I am vicariously homosexual? Please respond soon, I am very troubled...

Deep question; I'd say that means you vicariously condone homosexuality, or are a voyeur of sorts.

[Lord Caim]

it’s because I thought it was without any foundation (i.e. made no sense)
His parenthesis sound like he doubts your intelligence. I suggest murder with a clever, economical scheme that will make him doubt his ever existing.

[heroshade]

I'm not a good student because most of my classes require that I do homework. I don't believe in something that gives the people who already control me for the majority of the time I'm awake more power to control me the rest of the time. Fuck that, I'de rather go die in Russia unloved and far from home than participate in that shit.

[Erroneous]

I'm using his response and your brief description of the actually contextual back and forth as source texts. I'm wondering what stabilization policy has to do with the opportunity cost of war, He's right that stabilization policy and the broken window fallacy are aqful hard to connect. I'm going to have to side with him. Even a sham PhD is usually worth more than even the largest e-peen.

[Vanno]

I'm using his response and your brief description of the actually contextual back and forth as source texts. I'm wondering what stabilization policy has to do with the opportunity cost of war, He's right that stabilization policy and the broken window fallacy are aqful hard to connect. I'm going to have to side with him. Even a sham PhD is usually worth more than even the largest e-peen.

Unfortunately, the stabilization policy statement really had nothing to do with the original blog entry, which inclines me to believe he was trying to justify his position ex post. At that rate, I don't see how the Iraq War fits in a stabilisation policy framework, unless you truly believe it is a fiscal stimulus, which is what I was objecting to. You can see the original entry here (http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/08/americas-war-to.html#comments), if you are interested.

[Erroneous]

Unfortunately, the stabilization policy statement really had nothing to do with the original blog entry, which inclines me to believe he was trying to justify his position ex post. At that rate, I don't see how the Iraq War fits in a stabilisation policy framework. You can see the original entry here (http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/08/americas-war-to.html#comments), if you are interested.

ALright well I'd agree that the broken window fallacy is hard to apply here, but your professor isn't without censure as well: "I'm still have doubts" ?

[Vanno]

ALright well I'd agree that the broken window fallacy is hard to apply here, but your professor isn't without censure as well: "I'm still have doubts" ?

It is definitely a lacking statement. Given what was said in the Krugman link, he provides, leads me to assume he believes War funding acts as a fiscal stimulus.

[Behhemoth]

I duno about you but the reason that I'm not a good student is because i am smarter than my teachers.

[forestchild]

I duno about you but the reason that I'm not a good student is because i am smarter than my teachers.

Lol im affraid as long your replys are like this in topic Largest Weapon:reply Behhemoth"obviously the largest weapon would be found in my pants" you are far from being smart:P

[Taroth]

I've found that arguing with teachers is extremely counterproductive but can be therapeutic. Problem being is even if you're dead right, you still sound like a asshole. If you're wrong, its downright embarrassing. But hell its college, professors need to grow a pair if they're deleting any arguments. If you were so misinformed, wouldn't your argument be that much easier to counter?

[Vanno]

I duno about you but the reason that I'm not a good student is because i am smarter than my teachers.

I don't know if I suffered from the same affliction, but I did tend to point out things that seem lacking and ask for clarification when weren’t clear to me.

In doing this, it essentially requires a professor to rephrase, expound, or defend. Often, it seems that some rather just go on with the lecture, as planned, than justify their teachings to those that actually make their livelihood possible.

In that respect, I'm not sure the issues is of unintelligent professors as much as disinterested teachers. A lot of these folks teach courses well bellow their level of formal education in the subject, and I can understand how it might seem banal to them. However, if they regret their selection, to engage in an enterprise of instruction, the consumer shouldn't be forced to accompany them in misery.

[Vanno]

If you were so misinformed, wouldn't your argument be that much easier to counter?

That would stand to reason. If it were so, he could have taken the opportunity to deconstruct my argument, in turn, emboldening his. In the process, he might have enlightened me and others to his point of view. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

[Behhemoth]

Lol im affraid as long your replys are like this in topic Largest Weapon:reply Behhemoth"obviously the largest weapon would be found in my pants" you are far from being smart:P

so carrying a giant can of pepper spray is dumb nowadays? :(

[Vanno]

so carrying a giant can of pepper spray is dumb nowadays? :(

Only police can properly pepper spray people.

[Behhemoth]

Only police can properly pepper spray people.

hah police r teh nubest i can shoot people in the eyes from 3.78 km away

[losinglife]

fuck did i hate micro economics. But that probably has somethign to do with it being at 8am, and the teacher was from africa so he barely spoke understandable english.

[Marrik]

fuck did i hate micro economics. But that probably has somethign to do with it being at 8am, and the teacher was from africa so he barely spoke understandable english.

one time i had to learn Spanish from a french woman who barely spoke english OR spanish (i dont know how she got that job. she kept asking the one spanish girl in the class what words meant and every fucking time the girl explained that she was from Boston and didnt speak spanish), and the little spanish she DID speak was unintelligible because she had a thick french accent.

[Ultimo]

one time i had to learn Spanish from a french woman who barely spoke english OR spanish (i dont know how she got that job. she kept asking the one spanish girl in the class what words meant and every fucking time the girl explained that she was from Boston and didnt speak spanish), and the little spanish she DID speak was unintelligible because she had a thick french accent.

That is a university for you. I once took an advanced math course with a french prof that kept saying "perl" every time they meant parallel. About two months into the course I figured out what she was saying and lectures past suddenly made sense.

She also called the cauchy (pronounced cow-sch) equations the "coochy" equations. It made me laugh every time, and she had no idea why.

I have had plenty of asian teachers for comp sci classes, and they are worst. One asian teacher kept saying instant-shit every time he meant to say initiate. Or the popular fuck-chin when function should be said. Fun times.

[alfaroverall]

Isn't a basic way to determine if war will be a fiscal stimulus just to check if there is high unemployment and the war effort will give a large number of new jobs? If yes, it will probably be a stimulus, if no, it probably won't (although it might not necessarily be a detriment)? I realize it's a very broad statement and that there would be exceptions galore, but this seems like a pretty reasonable assumption. It also deals with the broken window fallacy issue as well, because unlike in that, where the money given to the glazier could have been given to someone else, here the work (equivalent to said money) of those employed by the war effort did not exist in any form before.

This is of course coming from someone with no education in economics and who therefore has no credentials to back up his assumption.
That is a university for you. I once took an advanced math course with a french prof that kept saying "perl" every time they meant parallel. About two months into the course I figured out what she was saying and lectures past suddenly made sense.

She also called the cauchy (pronounced cow-sch) equations the "coochy" equations. It made me laugh every time, and she had no idea why.

I have had plenty of asian teachers for comp sci classes, and they are worst. One asian teacher kept saying instant-shit every time he meant to say initiate. Or the popular fuck-chin when function should be said. Fun times.
God, what school did you go to?

[Uzik]

That is a university for you. I once took an advanced math course with a french prof that kept saying "perl" every time they meant parallel. About two months into the course I figured out what she was saying and lectures past suddenly made sense.

She also called the cauchy (pronounced cow-sch) equations the "coochy" equations. It made me laugh every time, and she had no idea why.

I have had plenty of asian teachers for comp sci classes, and they are worst. One asian teacher kept saying instant-shit every time he meant to say initiate. Or the popular fuck-chin when function should be said. Fun times.

I thought they taught about parallel lines in middle school.

ZING!

[alfaroverall]

I thought they taught about parallel lines in middle school.

ZING!
I considered that as well, but then it occurred to me that he could have been talking about, for example, vector calculus. Though looking up these equations he's referring to, it doesn't appear to be that...now I'm curious what class he was taking, heh.

[Ultimo]

I considered that as well, but then it occurred to me that he could have been talking about, for example, vector calculus.

You never get rid of parallel. It just gets harder. And to answer your question, I go to the university of Nebraska for their great computer science program. I am also getting Mathematics and English degress. The sad part, is I will be 1 credit hour short of graduating this year WITH all of those degrees.

[alfaroverall]

You never get rid of parallel. It just gets harder. And to answer your question, I go to the university of Nebraska for their great computer science program. I am also getting Mathematics and English degress. The sad part, is I will be 1 credit hour short of graduating this year WITH all of those degrees.
Triple major or did you just have 2 minors?

And yes, I understand how parallel lines pretty much don't go away ever, unless you're branching off into things like sets, relations, and groups. If you've got some level of analytic geometry sticking around, the little bastards are still there.

[Ultimo]

Triple major or did you just have 2 minors?

All majors. They require 125 credit hours to graduate, and I will have 124 after this year. I double hit a lot of areas though, math and cse overlap so much that getting one major basically means you are close to getting the other.

EDIT: I should also mention that I am very close to Geology and Sociology minors as well haha. If I have to go another semester I will probably grab those because I can.

[alfaroverall]

All majors. They require 125 credit hours to graduate, and I will have 124 after this year. I double hit a lot of areas though, math and cse overlap so much that getting one major basically means you are close to getting the other.
Wait, all 3 and it's only 125 credit hours? And one of them is English (and therefore has practically no overlap with the others)? I guess I don't understand how that works. I have to do 16 hours of gen ed, 30 hours of electives, and then 74 hours in my major, for a total of 120 hours. Even deeming comp sci to be completely equivalent to math, I don't see how you could get all that you need for a major in English within 35 hours (by adding in those extra 5 and then removing all your electives). Maybe your school's hour system works a bit differently from mine though.

[Ultimo]

Wait, all 3 and it's only 125 credit hours? And one of them is English (and therefore has practically no overlap with the others)? I guess I don't understand how that works. I have to do 16 hours of gen ed, 30 hours of electives, and then 74 hours in my major, for a total of 120 hours. Even deeming comp sci to be completely equivalent to math, I don't see how you could get all that you need in English within 35 hours (by adding in those extra 5 and then removing all your electives). Maybe your school's hour system works a bit differently from mine though.

Let me break it down for you.

First of all, I tested out of a shit ton of math classes comming into college. That reduced a lot of math that I had to take, but doesn't count towards your major.

I took 4 years of high school spanish, so I didn't have to take 4 semesters worth in college. Again, it cut down on my classes, but didn't count towards my major.

In order to get a cse degree, you have to take enough math to get a minor automatically, with 5 additional classes to a major. 3 of those 5 additional classes double hit with computer science.

The majority of my general ed was filled with English courses. English courses are an awesome substitute to almost every gen ed class because they are so versatile. A couple of substitution forms and I was well on my way to an English major.

Also, other gen ed courses were already covered in my cse degree (math, natural sciences, etc). The gen ed that I couldn't hit with english I hit with sociology.

EDIT: In conclusion, I am a huge micromanager that thought out my career well in advance.

EDIT2: When I say they didn't count towards my major, I said that poorly. They counted towards my degrees, but not towards my 125 credit hour total.

[Ultimo]

Wait, all 3 and it's only 125 credit hours? And one of them is English (and therefore has practically no overlap with the others)? I guess I don't understand how that works. I have to do 16 hours of gen ed, 30 hours of electives, and then 74 hours in my major, for a total of 120 hours. Even deeming comp sci to be completely equivalent to math, I don't see how you could get all that you need for a major in English within 35 hours (by adding in those extra 5 and then removing all your electives). Maybe your school's hour system works a bit differently from mine though.

What university did you go to?

[alfaroverall]

What university do you go to?
Fixt, and George Mason University. I'm a rising freshman. My numbers are taken off of my advising sheet.

[Ultimo]

Fixt, and George Mason University. I'm a rising freshman. My numbers are taken off of my advising sheet.

Haha, well it's not too late to switch to the University of Nebraska and join the Ultimo 4 year - 3 degree plan. Also, This is my 4th year I'm heading into now.

[Killuminati]

You're going to GMU??!!?

[alfaroverall]

You're going to GMU??!!?
Yes, and? Chemistry major class of 2012. Don't tell me a forumfaller is actually going to the same university as I am...god dammit, if there are more than 5 of us we might just have to start a forumfall club.
Haha, well it's not too late to switch to the University of Nebraska and join the Ultimo 4 year - 3 degree plan. Also, This is my 4th year I'm heading into now.
Nah, I'm OK. I'm working on getting a master's in 5 years anyhow, which is basically the flip side of what you're doing.

I'm also in the Honors Gen Ed program, which has very specific requirements (so I couldn't substitute English classes galore for my gen ed if I wanted to.)

[Uzik]

Wait, all 3 and it's only 125 credit hours? And one of them is English (and therefore has practically no overlap with the others)? I guess I don't understand how that works. I have to do 16 hours of gen ed, 30 hours of electives, and then 74 hours in my major, for a total of 120 hours. Even deeming comp sci to be completely equivalent to math, I don't see how you could get all that you need for a major in English within 35 hours (by adding in those extra 5 and then removing all your electives). Maybe your school's hour system works a bit differently from mine though.

I needed 125 for my single major...

Sounds like he goes to a n00b college and they were teaching parallel lines after all!

[Ultimo]

I needed 125 for my single major...

Sounds like he goes to a n00b college and they were teaching parallel lines after all!

Hey, at least I have lived on my own 100% independantly 3 states away from my family for the past 3.5 years. Can you say that? No. How old are you again?

[alfaroverall]

Hey, at least I have lived on my own 100% independantly 3 states away from my family for the past 3.5 years. Can you say that? No. How old are you again?
Technically this is a straw man. Just putting that out there. He never made the claim that you're claiming he made. He merely claimed that you went to a not-so-great college based solely on the fact that you were able to get 3 bachelor's degrees in 4 years, and it was at least a half-troll regardless.

[Ultimo]

Technically this is a straw man. Just putting that out there. He never made the claim that you're claiming he made. He merely claimed that you went to a not-so-great college, and it was at least a half-troll regardless.

Well, he is an underachiever, which is why it took him 125 credit hours to get a single degree. I was only showing that through a separate example :). I knew what he was trying to do. I just deployed my anti-Uzik troll weaponry.

[alfaroverall]

Well, he is an underachiever, which is why it took him 125 credit hours to get a single degree. I was only showing that through a separate example :). I knew what he was trying to do. I just deployed my anti-Uzik troll weaponry.
Well, no, that's not necessarily an underachiever. At some schools with some majors that's just how the major requirements work. Like for me, I couldn't get 3 majors in 125 credit hours if one of them was chemistry. I could probably get 2 if I sacrificed all my electives (I have to take quite a bit of math as a chem major, so that would be doable) but 3 would simply not be possible.

And you should note that the straw man is one of the quintessential logical fallacies, and it makes you look pretty foolish if you use it in an actual argument, even against a troll.

[Ultimo]

Well, no, that's not necessarily an underachiever. At some schools with some majors that's just how the major requirements work. Like for me, I couldn't get 3 majors in 125 credit hours no matter what the combination was. I could probably get 2 if I sacrificed all my electives (I have to take quite a bit of math as a chem major, so that would be doable) but 3 would simply not be possible.

And you should note that the straw man is a quintessential fallacy, and it makes you look pretty foolish if you use it in an actual argument, even against a troll.

It's most likely possible. UNL is fairly well known as a tough school. As I said, I just had an idea of exactly what I wanted to do before college even started and planned accordingly. Double and tripple hitting majors isn't that hard if you plan ahead.

[Ultimo]

Well, no, that's not necessarily an underachiever. At some schools with some majors that's just how the major requirements work. Like for me, I couldn't get 3 majors in 125 credit hours if one of them was chemistry. I could probably get 2 if I sacrificed all my electives (I have to take quite a bit of math as a chem major, so that would be doable) but 3 would simply not be possible.

And you should note that the straw man is one of the quintessential logical fallacies, and it makes you look pretty foolish if you use it in an actual argument, even against a troll.

Haha, you don't have to get all philosophical on me, I have taken enough philosophy and boolean logic classes to know every fallacy in the book. I wasn't even saying what you thought I was saying. I interpreted what he said perfectly, I was just doing a troll back on a separate topic. Now you are just trying to look smart.

[Uzik]

Hey, at least I have lived on my own 100% independantly 3 states away from my family for the past 3.5 years. Can you say that? No. How old are you again?

23 and been employed full time for 3+ years. I make a great salary, great benefits and have good solid investments/savings.

I pay my own bills, but live with my family so I can buy a home soon. Currently I could afford a $500k home, but I would like something a little more as Long Island is pricey.



Anyways, I was just trolling you. Thanks for proving that your college didn't teach you how to read sarcasm from punctuation! Guess that English section of your major is really paying off

; )


Well, he is an underachiever, which is why it took him 125 credit hours to get a single degree. I was only showing that through a separate example :). I knew what he was trying to do. I just deployed my anti-Uzik troll weaponry.



They don't confer degrees with less than 125 credits... Sorry if my school has higher standards than yours : (

[Killuminati]

Yes, and? Chemistry major class of 2012. Don't tell me a forumfaller is actually going to the same university as I am...god dammit, if there are more than 5 of us we might just have to start a forumfall club.


Yah, duuuudeee I iz going as well...

WE can become best buds!!!


Seriously though I am going. I went to orientation July 10-11. I'm majoring in Economics son!

[alfaroverall]

Haha, you don't have to get all philosophical on me, I have taken enough philosophy and boolean logic classes to know every fallacy in the book. I wasn't even saying what you thought I was saying. I interpreted what he said perfectly, I was just doing a troll back on a separate topic. Now you are just trying to look smart.
Alrighty then. I thought you were actually trying to make an argument, instead of just countering a troll with a troll.
Yah, duuuudeee I iz going as well...

WE can become best buds!!!


Seriously though I am going. I went to orientation July 10-11. I'm majoring in Economics son!
Interesting.
The following will almost certainly be boring for all but Killuminati:
I'm gonna be exiled from your end of campus as a chem major though. Though admittedly I'm contemplating an econ minor, as I've found from what little I've discussed with my dad (who was a forestry major but was encouraged to be an econ major by his econ prof) that I understand and somewhat like econ. Might end up being a chem major with a math and econ minor, we'll see. Didn't want to take the damn 7:00 PM-10:00 PM lecture on Tuesdays for the honors microecon course though, especially as a commuter.

2 basic questions:
Are you honors in gen ed? (probly not since you weren't at the June 23-24 orientation but still possible)
What're you taking this semester? I'm taking:
HNRS 110
CHEM 212
MATH 215
COMM 100

[Ultimo]

23 and been employed full time for 3+ years. I make a great salary, great benefits and have good solid investments/savings.

I pay my own bills, but live with my family so I can buy a home soon. Currently I could afford a $500k home, but I would like something a little more as Long Island is pricey.



Anyways, I was just trolling you. Thanks for proving that your college didn't teach you how to read sarcasm from punctuation! Guess that English section of your major is really paying off

; )






They don't confer degrees with less than 125 credits... Sorry if my school has higher standards than yours : (

Or I was just providing a troll to your troll. Apparantly you didn't catch on to that. Or, maybe you are just trolling my troll of the troll.

Also, your school probably doesn't have higher standards, I was just much more wise in my selection of classes. I am some what of an over achiever.

[Uzik]

Or I was just providing a troll to your troll. Apparantly you didn't catch on to that. Or, maybe you are just trolling my troll of the troll.

Also, your school probably doesn't have higher standards, I was just much more wise in my selection of classes. I am some what of an over achiever.

Nah, you were genuinely upset and tried to pull some internet badassery by showing you are somehow better IRL than myself.

Unfortunately, we all know that saying "I'm better IRL!" is actually asshattery, instead of badassery.


Especially seeing as you are obviously no better than myself.

Regardless, you still don't understand. For my major, I needed 125+ credits to graduate. As a Management Information Systems major, my courses did not allow me to stray into other areas.

But even if it had, I would still need far more than 125 credits to have a double major. Why? Because there are going to be a number of classes for the other major that fall outside of MIS.


Do you get it now? Maybe at your school 125 credits = 3 majors, but at mine, you would have needed closer to 200.


GG. Don't feed the trolls.


Also, you upcoming college grads are fucked. GL finding a good salary job!

[alfaroverall]

Or I was just providing a troll to your troll. Apparantly you didn't catch on to that. Or, maybe you are just trolling my troll of the troll.

Also, your school probably doesn't have higher standards, I was just much more wise in my selection of classes. I am some what of an over achiever.
I'm not quite sure if I'd necessarily call triple majoring "wise." I mean yes, it looks better on a résumé to have 3 majors, but you miss out on a lot of the "wing spreading" if you will that college offers. Or maybe I've just bought into hype like I did with IB, who knows?

[Killuminati]

2 basic questions:
Are you honors in gen ed? (probly not since you weren't at the June 23-24 orientation but still possible)
What're you taking this semester? I'm taking:
HNRS 110
CHEM 212
MATH 215
COMM 100[/spoiler]



Nope, not honors. I gotta look up my schedule. I have to take COMM at some point though. I'm still wait listed for Econ 311 cuz I iz stupid and I was too lazy to do it earlier. I might minor in Biology. If you minor in Economics I'm not sure what you'll take.

[Ultimo]

Nah, you were genuinely upset and tried to pull some internet badassery by showing you are somehow better IRL than myself.

Unfortunately, we all know that saying "I'm better IRL!" is actually asshattery, instead of badassery.


Especially seeing as you are obviously no better than myself.

Regardless, you still don't understand. For my major, I needed 125+ credits to graduate. As a Management Information Systems major, my courses did not allow me to stray into other areas.

But even if it had, I would still need far more than 125 credits to have a double major. Why? Because there are going to be a number of classes for the other major that fall outside of MIS.


Do you get it now? Maybe at your school 125 credits = 3 majors, but at mine, you would have needed closer to 200.


GG. Don't feed the trolls.


Also, you upcoming college grads are fucked. GL finding a good salary job!

No, I can genuinely troll when I feel like it. The whole Uzik still lives at home bit is troll gold, and it never ceases to get a reaction out of you, why do you think I respond to all your trolls that way?

@Alfar: I want to do a lot of things with my life. I want to write and to do logics programming. The latter I am already apart of, and make part time about as much as a normal graduate makes full time (in a year). The writing part was important to me since I want to eventually write fiction.

My computer science focuses on theory, which is where the math hit in most areas. Plus, what you take in college makes no difference. If you get that piece of paper, you are golden. I basically do what full time programmers do currently, only I will make much more once I get that magical piece of paper.

[pyrow]

Let him know you have no problem slitting his throat, and if he tries to tell anyone you'll poison his noodle soup. Then poison it anyways for making fun of you. :ninja::ninja::ninja:

[Matriel]

Also, you upcoming college grads are fucked. GL finding a good salary job!

Nah, the baby boomers will start dying soon.

[Uzik]

No, I can genuinely troll when I feel like it. The whole Uzik still lives at home bit is troll gold, and it never ceases to get a reaction out of you, why do you think I respond to all your trolls that way?

@Alfar: I want to do a lot of things with my life. I want to write and to do logics programming. The latter I am already apart of, and make part time about as much as a normal graduate makes full time (in a year). The writing part was important to me since I want to eventually write fiction.

My computer science focuses on theory, which is where the math hit in most areas. Plus, what you take in college makes no difference. If you get that piece of paper, you are golden. I basically do what full time programmers do currently, only I will make much more once I get that magical piece of paper.

The fact that you know my life story while I didn't even know who you are is enough to make this lolable.

As for getting a reaction, all you did was get my normal spiel about living at home. It really doesn't bother me. While you'll be in a shitty little apartment until you're 30, I'll be in a large home before I'm 25.

GF though. Wasn't close, but GF.


As for your expectation to get a huge salary programming (theory lol), unless you are a genius and work for Microsoft or someone, you willget stuck around 75k, and you will be the bitch of people like me.

Also, if I had a dollar for every time they replaced an older programmer for a recent college grad, I would be able to start a charity for out of work people like yourself.

[Ultimo]

The fact that you know my life story while I didn't even know who you are is enough to make this lolable.

As for getting a reaction, all you did was get my normal spiel about living at home. It really doesn't bother me. While you'll be in a shitty little apartment until you're 30, I'll be in a large home before I'm 25.

GF though. Wasn't close, but GF.


As for your expectation to get a huge salary programming (theory lol), unless you are a genius and work for Microsoft or someone, you willget stuck around 75k, and you will be the bitch of people like me.

Also, if I had a dollar for every time they replaced an older programmer for a recent college grad, I would be able to start a charity for out of work people like yourself.

You know, normally you might be right. But let's look at a few things.

1. You live in a high cost of living area. I live in a low cost of living area. This is the most substantial thing you have to remember.

2. I already have a job that is certain for after I graduate at an up and comming company. It is already near the top of the industry that its in after only 7 years. They are very picky and only hire the best, and as a result we get paid 6 digits+ here. They are so picky, that it took them over 6 months to hire a programmer (the new one starts Monday). I only got an internship here because I was the first one to ever ask. Luckily I have proved myself enough to get a job after.

3. Do you even want to know my life story? I am sparing you the details for a reason. I don't make threads on here with the topic of my life circumstances as you have.

4. Maybe your company has no morals, but mine does. They wouldn't replace and haven't replaced programmers for cheaper ones. In fact, as I said, they pay their programmers here very generously. The yearly growth of this company is substantial, and they pass on a good portion of it to the employees.

5. I will be making a ton a year after I graduate, and that is the starting point. Will I make my own company someday? Perhaps. Will I get offered something better? Maybe. Will this company be sold for millions of dollars like the previous one the president created and will I make a huge profit from that? Could be. Who knows? I have left myself tons of life options. Also, look up JDE Design Studio. I was in that (which few people are), and so my name is already in all the big companies.

As far as by 25 goes, compared to areas, I think I will be pretty well off. 25? I will have a great house in this area before then. I already have a fairly nice savings. Whatever you want to believe, though...after all this is a forums, and my word means shit, as does yours. At least I am independent and don't mooch off my parents!

[Uzik]

You know, normally you might be right. But let's look at a few things.

1. You live in a high cost of living area. I live in a low cost of living area. This is the most substantial thing you have to remember.

2. I already have a job that is certain for after I graduate at an up and comming company. It is already near the top of the industry that its in after only 7 years. They are very picky and only hire the best, and as a result we get paid 6 digits+ here. They are so picky, that it took them over 6 months to hire a programmer (the new one starts Monday). I only got an internship here because I was the first one to ever ask. Luckily I have proved myself enough to get a job after.

3. Do you even want to know my life story? I am sparing you the details for a reason. I don't make threads on here with the topic of my life circumstances as you have.

4. Maybe your company has no morals, but mine does. They wouldn't replace and haven't replaced programmers for cheaper ones. In fact, as I said, they pay their programmers here very generously. The yearly growth of this company is substantial, and they pass on a good portion of it to the employees.

5. I will be making a ton a year after I graduate, and that is the starting point. Will I make my own company someday? Perhaps. Will I get offered something better? Maybe. Will this company be sold for millions of dollars like the previous one the president created and will I make a huge profit from that? Could be. Who knows? I have left myself tons of life options. Also, look up JDE Design Studio. I was in that (which few people are), and so my name is already in all the big companies.

As far as by 25 goes, compared to areas, I think I will be pretty well off. 25? I will have a great house in this area before then. I already have a fairly nice savings. Whatever you want to believe, though...after all this is a forums, and my word means shit, as does yours. At least I am independent and don't mooch off my parents!


Pics or it didn't happen.

[chimp]

ITT: my epenis is bigger than yours.

give it a rest guys, your almost as bad as the "BUT IVE GOT TWO PHD'S AND IM ONLY 23" wikipedia admin.


(protip: he was lieing)

[Ultimo]

Pics or it didn't happen.

Pics of what? My work place? Not sure how much good that would do.

[Erroneous]

Internet Fight!

[Killuminati]

buttsecks shall ensue soon in this thread.

[Fro]

You know, normally you might be right. But let's look at a few things.

1. You live in a high cost of living area. I live in a low cost of living area. This is the most substantial thing you have to remember.

2. I already have a job that is certain for after I graduate at an up and comming company. It is already near the top of the industry that its in after only 7 years. They are very picky and only hire the best, and as a result we get paid 6 digits+ here. They are so picky, that it took them over 6 months to hire a programmer (the new one starts Monday). I only got an internship here because I was the first one to ever ask. Luckily I have proved myself enough to get a job after.

3. Do you even want to know my life story? I am sparing you the details for a reason. I don't make threads on here with the topic of my life circumstances as you have.

4. Maybe your company has no morals, but mine does. They wouldn't replace and haven't replaced programmers for cheaper ones. In fact, as I said, they pay their programmers here very generously. The yearly growth of this company is substantial, and they pass on a good portion of it to the employees.

5. I will be making a ton a year after I graduate, and that is the starting point. Will I make my own company someday? Perhaps. Will I get offered something better? Maybe. Will this company be sold for millions of dollars like the previous one the president created and will I make a huge profit from that? Could be. Who knows? I have left myself tons of life options. Also, look up JDE Design Studio. I was in that (which few people are), and so my name is already in all the big companies.

As far as by 25 goes, compared to areas, I think I will be pretty well off. 25? I will have a great house in this area before then. I already have a fairly nice savings. Whatever you want to believe, though...after all this is a forums, and my word means shit, as does yours. At least I am independent and don't mooch off my parents!

What is this amazing company you have found, then?

[Uzik]

What is this amazing company you have found, then?

Funcom IMO.

[Ultimo]

What is this amazing company you have found, then?

Good try, but there's no way I'm publically stating which company I work for on these forums. Knowing you guys, you would all call in and complain about me.

[Fro]

Good try, but there's no way I'm publically stating which company I work for on these forums. Knowing you guys, you would all call in and complain about me.

It's EA isn't it.

[Ultimo]

It's EA isn't it.

I wish, I would be making bank then for as much money as they screw gamers for.

[Fro]

I wish, I would be making bank then for as much money as they screw gamers for.

Well until i get atleast the name of this company. I'm going to say your full of shit and our just making things up to try and make yourself look good.

[Ultimo]

Well until i get atleast the name of this company. I'm going to say your full of shit and our just making things up to try and make yourself look good.

Haha, you can think what you want. Only one person on these forums knows who I work for, and its going to stay that way.

Digging through old posts you probably have enough to figure it out, actually. Depends on how good your google skills are.

EDIT: Yup, I just used two pieces of information that I have stated in numerous posts on this forum and the second result was the company I work for.

EDIT2: I will mail 20 bucks to the first person that PMs me the correct company...haha.

[Fro]

Haha, you can think what you want. Only one person on these forums knows who I work for, and its going to stay that way.

Digging through old posts you probably have enough to figure it out, actually. Depends on how good your google skills are.

Yeh i realy don't care enough to do that. I just don't like people making up these fabulous stories but aren't willing to back it up because someone might complain about them. I thought you were a programmer not a receptionist.

[Ultimo]

Yeh i realy don't care enough to do that. I just don't like people making up these fabulous stories but aren't willing to back it up because someone might complain about them. I thought you were a programmer not a receptionist.

I am a developer, yes. I don't mind telling people who I work for, just not publically like this. There are too many idiots on these forums.

[Fro]

I am a developer, yes. I don't mind telling people who I work for, just not publically like this. There are too many idiots on these forums.

Who might do what?

[Ultimo]

Who might do what?

Harass the company? I know enough about you guys to know that there are those of you that would do it. Tech support is busy enough here haha.

[Fro]

Harass the company? I know enough about you guys to know that there are those of you that would do it. Tech support is busy enough here haha.

Well tell me the company then. I wont harass it unless its EA.

[Ultimo]

Well tell me the company then. I wont harass it unless its EA.

I will send it to you through PMs. You should convince some of your English friends to order our service, we haven't expanded there yet I think...only to Australia so far.

[Lethn]

I am a developer, yes. I don't mind telling people who I work for, just not publically like this. There are too many idiots on these forums.

You know what Ultimo your fucking right, I used to respect forumfall and a lot of the older gamers because they were genuinely intelligent people that could argue their point to the latter, but frankly this gaming forum has turned into a worse version of the WoW forums where shitheads flame each other left and right, I don't like how pussified the mods have become lately either.

Right now I'm beginning to wonder if an open PvP game is really worth it because frankly, I don't want to play with shit heads like you lot in fact I don't want to even ASSOCIATE with most of you because you act like a bunch of ignorant whining little pissant wannabe gangsters who'll get the shit kicked out of them one day for being so cocky.

If even half of you really did play UO like you tout no wonder these games fucking failed because they wouldn't want to socialize with complete bastards like you part of what an MMORPG is all about is playing with other people all I see you lot boasting about is how you lot want to wtfpwn everyone and pretend to be a hardass which makes me laugh because your probably going to get ganked by the people who actually decide to be friends and team up together and become really skilled by doing so.

[Ultimo]

You know what Ultimo your fucking right, I used to respect forumfall and a lot of the older gamers because they were genuinely intelligent people that could argue their point to the latter, but frankly this gaming forum has turned into a worse version of the WoW forums where shitheads flame each other left and right, I don't like how pussified the mods have become lately either.

Right now I'm beginning to wonder if an open PvP game is really worth it because frankly, I don't want to play with shit heads like you lot in fact I don't want to even ASSOCIATE with most of you because you act like a bunch of ignorant whining little pissant wannabe gangsters who'll get the shit kicked out of them one day for being so cocky.

If even half of you really did play UO like you tout no wonder these games fucking failed because they wouldn't want to socialize with complete bastards like you.

That seemed like a long time in the waiting. Feel good to get that off your chest?

[Fro]

You know what Ultimo your fucking right, I used to respect forumfall and a lot of the older gamers because they were genuinely intelligent people that could argue their point to the latter, but frankly this gaming forum has turned into a worse version of the WoW forums where shitheads flame each other left and right, I don't like how pussified the mods have become lately either.

Right now I'm beginning to wonder if an open PvP game is really worth it because frankly, I don't want to play with shit heads like you lot in fact I don't want to even ASSOCIATE with most of you because you act like a bunch of ignorant whining little pissant wannabe gangsters who'll get the shit kicked out of them one day for being so cocky.

If even half of you really did play UO like you tout no wonder these games fucking failed because they wouldn't want to socialize with complete bastards like you.

Lethn comes up with the goods again.

[Fro]

I will send it to you through PMs. You should convince some of your English friends to order our service, we haven't expanded there yet I think...only to Australia so far.

Ok. Tell me!

[Lethn]

Yeah it did feel good actually, because quite frankly the assholes on here do nothing but go picking fights for no reason and the instant they find something to associate you with whether it be true or untrue they start trying to take the piss like a bunch of immature little shitheads.

[alfaroverall]

You know what Ultimo your fucking right, I used to respect forumfall and a lot of the older gamers because they were genuinely intelligent people that could argue their point to the latter, but frankly this gaming forum has turned into a worse version of the WoW forums where shitheads flame each other left and right, I don't like how pussified the mods have become lately either.

Right now I'm beginning to wonder if an open PvP game is really worth it because frankly, I don't want to play with shit heads like you lot in fact I don't want to even ASSOCIATE with most of you because you act like a bunch of ignorant whining little pissant wannabe gangsters who'll get the shit kicked out of them one day for being so cocky.

If even half of you really did play UO like you tout no wonder these games fucking failed because they wouldn't want to socialize with complete bastards like you part of what an MMORPG is all about is playing with other people all I see you lot boasting about is how you lot want to wtfpwn everyone and pretend to be a hardass which makes me laugh because your probably going to get ganked by the people who actually decide to be friends and team up together and become really skilled by doing so.
Is there some drug I can take to feel like this from time to time that doesn't have side effects such as gymnecomastia? I mean seriously. It would be awesome to be able to just dump all this angst out and then be free of it for a few months at a time.

[Lethn]

It's called human emotion you fucking immature dick

Oh and no one in their right mind would give out the name of the company they work for to you guys, you'd probably piss fanboism all over the forums. Hell I've hooked up with a starting up Independent company I know of any you could drug me, torture me and kill me and I still wouldn't tell you the name of it.

[alfaroverall]

It's called human emotion you fucking immature dick
If this were human emotion, then there would be rather few people making fun of you for being different. So tell me, what do you take before writing each of these rants? Low dose testosterone?

[Lethn]

wow you know what alfaroverall? Your not funny, get it? I'm just rather bloody tired now and I didn't need to see more bullshit on forumfall than I already have, you lot are just pulling out illogical conclusions out of your asses and making up facts that don't exist.

Good day

[Fro]

It's called human emotion you fucking immature dick

Oh and no one in their right mind would give out the name of the company they work for to you guys, you'd probably piss fanboism all over the forums. Hell I've hooked up with a starting up Independent company I know of any you could drug me, torture me and kill me and I still wouldn't tell you the name of it.

Lethn, the gift that just keeps on giving! I guess we'll find out the name of this heroic company with which you are going to slay the foul mainstream game developers and usher in a new era of gaming, anyway.

[Uzik]

You know what Ultimo your fucking right, I used to respect forumfall and a lot of the older gamers because they were genuinely intelligent people that could argue their point to the latter, but frankly this gaming forum has turned into a worse version of the WoW forums where shitheads flame each other left and right, I don't like how pussified the mods have become lately either.

Right now I'm beginning to wonder if an open PvP game is really worth it because frankly, I don't want to play with shit heads like you lot in fact I don't want to even ASSOCIATE with most of you because you act like a bunch of ignorant whining little pissant wannabe gangsters who'll get the shit kicked out of them one day for being so cocky.

If even half of you really did play UO like you tout no wonder these games fucking failed because they wouldn't want to socialize with complete bastards like you part of what an MMORPG is all about is playing with other people all I see you lot boasting about is how you lot want to wtfpwn everyone and pretend to be a hardass which makes me laugh because your probably going to get ganked by the people who actually decide to be friends and team up together and become really skilled by doing so.

Darktide should be a study in open PvP and asshattery.

Anyways, don't let my trolling destroy your faith in the forumfall. There are some decent people on these forums.

BTW. Ultimo makes a 6 figure salary, and I'm the King of Borneo.

[Ultimo]

Darktide should be a study in open PvP and asshattery.

Anyways, don't let my trolling destroy your faith in the forumfall. There are some decent people on these forums.

BTW. Ultimo makes a 6 figure salary, and I'm the King of Borneo.

Reading comprehension. I don't make that yet, so your sarcasm is accurate for once (I don't get out of intern status until after this next school year). By the way, at least one person on these forums can vouch for me now ;).

[Lethn]

Oh and Uzik I know there are decent people on this forum but when that only makes up about 5% of them it does make me wonder whether I even want to touch the game, generally I've found the whole sci-fi aspect of MMORPGs a lot more inviting because how open the settings are.

Seriously though, I wouldn't care if this game had everything I could ever want in a game if it has a shit community I'm not going to play it because that is part of what make an MMORPG, also I don't think you realize just HOW much 3D Artists and programmers can actually earn these days if they're in a successful company, you should go and do some research.

[Uzik]

Reading comprehension. I don't make that yet, so your sarcasm is accurate for once (I don't get out of intern status until after this next school year). By the way, at least one person on these forums can vouch for me now ;).

yhbt

reading comprehension is irrelevant.

[Ultimo]

yhbt

reading comprehension is irrelevant.

Don't worry, only 56 minutes until quittin' time, then you will have to wait until 8am central to say random phrases at me again. I'm looking forward to it, see you there.

[Tomaj]

To make a good student you need the following:
35 liters of water, 20 kilos of carbon, 4 liters of ammonia, 1.5 kilos of lime, phosphorus 800 grams, niter 250 grams, magnesium, manganese 1.5 grams, iron 5 grams, silicon 3 grams.

And a transmutation circle.

lol and various other elements dont forget that part

[The Cougar]

Oh and Uzik I know there are decent people on this forum but when that only makes up about 5% of them it does make me wonder whether I even want to touch the game, generally I've found the whole sci-fi aspect of MMORPGs a lot more inviting because how open the settings are.

Seriously though, I wouldn't care if this game had everything I could ever want in a game if it has a shit community I'm not going to play it because that is part of what make an MMORPG, also I don't think you realize just HOW much 3D Artists and programmers can actually earn these days if they're in a successful company, you should go and do some research.
Forumfall has found your post too blog-like. Please remove the bolded parts.

[The Cougar]

Dear Lethn,

You have received an infraction at Darkfall Forums.

Reason: You may not at any point in time use clear or ambiguous language or provide any form of link to a source which may contain images or language which promote blogging or blog-like posts, or allude to any form of symbol of angst-relieving walls of text.

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After repeated offenses against the ToS, we have decided to take action against you. The text in bold are the parts violating the ToS.
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This infraction is worth 10 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original post:
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?p=1566779#post1566779

You know what Ultimo your fucking right, I used to respect forumfall and a lot of the older gamers because they were genuinely intelligent people that could argue their point to the latter, but frankly this gaming forum has turned into a worse version of the WoW forums where shitheads flame each other left and right, I don't like how pussified the mods have become lately either.

Right now I'm beginning to wonder if an open PvP game is really worth it because frankly, I don't want to play with shit heads like you lot in fact I don't want to even ASSOCIATE with most of you because you act like a bunch of ignorant whining little pissant wannabe gangsters who'll get the shit kicked out of them one day for being so cocky.

If even half of you really did play UO like you tout no wonder these games fucking failed because they wouldn't want to socialize with complete bastards like you part of what an MMORPG is all about is playing with other people all I see you lot boasting about is how you lot want to wtfpwn everyone and pretend to be a hardass which makes me laugh because your probably going to get ganked by the people who actually decide to be friends and team up together and become really skilled by doing so.

All the best,
Darkfall Forums

[Matriel]

Lol, hasn't Lethn been here like less than a year? Talking about the degradation of Forumfall like he's been here long enough to see any supposed cultural changes. :lmao:

[The Cougar]

Lol, hasn't Lethn been here like less than a year? Talking about the degradation of Forumfall like he's been here long enough to see any supposed cultural changes. :lmao:
Maybe he just realized that the people here aren't as friendly as he originally thought? It took less than a year!

[Matriel]

Maybe he just realized that the people here aren't as friendly as he originally thought? It took less than a year!

Fucking noobs have been saying these forums are going downhill for years. Always been pretty much the same in OT.

[Uzik]

Fucking noobs have been saying these forums are going downhill for years. Always been pretty much the same in OT.

Heresy!

The end is nigh...


Repent and be saved!

[Vanno]

Well this thread took an interesting turn; forumfall can turn anything into a flame fest.

[heroshade]

Well this thread took an interesting turn; forumfall can turn anything into a flame fest.

Fuck you.

[Vanno]

Fuck you.

Indeed.

[Wickfield]

Fuck you.

I loled.

[Fro]

Reading comprehension. I don't make that yet, so your sarcasm is accurate for once (I don't get out of intern status until after this next school year). By the way, at least one person on these forums can vouch for me now ;).

Indeed the company is real, and i see no reason to doubt the rest of your story.

[Helgeran]

Lol, hasn't Lethn been here like less than a year? Talking about the degradation of Forumfall like he's been here long enough to see any supposed cultural changes. :lmao:
lol I've been here for 2 ½ years and I think shit is pretty much the same, I have changed way more than Forumfall tbh.

[Slypieguy]

I would like to add an experience of mine to this thread. I signed up for law and economics this semester and was pretty excited about it. We got our first reading assignment a week early and I cracked the book yesterday. I immediately noticed that one of the two authors was from Berkely and thought "great, here we go." By page 10 I had already read a Keynes quote and a detailed argument for state-backed wealth redistribution. It wouldn't be so bad if it had been presented differently, but it was presented as though it were the only school of thought in existence :\

[Killuminati]

I would like to add an experience of mine to this thread. I signed up for law and economics this semester and was pretty excited about it. We got our first reading assignment a week early and I cracked the book yesterday. I immediately noticed that one of the two authors was from Berkely and thought "great, here we go." By page 10 I had already read a Keynes quote and a detailed argument for state-backed wealth redistribution. It wouldn't be so bad if it had been presented differently, but it was presented as though it were the only school of thought in existence :\

HAHA

Thats how it is with highschool textbooks as well. Except they actually had some neoclassical sections in my book. Except the curriculum didn't go over those chapters.

[shock223]

lol I've been here for 2 ½ years and I think shit is pretty much the same, I have changed way more than Forumfall tbh.

which begs the question: do you change Forumfall or does Forumfall change you?

[Incanam]

which begs the question: do you change Forumfall or does Forumfall change you?

Second option.

I remember my first post here was about how the community sucks (it was in GD). Now I am the person that year-ago me would have hated.

[Lethn]

This place was a fucking shit pile to begin with but at least it was a reasonably intelligent shit pile now all we get are idiots trying to pass up things in their heads as facts and when they can't agree with something they just flame instead of argue.

Kinda like what religious zealots do actually now I think about it.