An idea for the most realistic game I can think of

[Troytrooper]

I've played too many computer games in my short seventeen years of life so I think I know a couple things when it comes to having a fun time online.



My idea for a game would require some major computer power because the entire universe you play in is created out of particals that would work as similar to real life as possible with todays technology. I know it's not a possible achievement today but imagine the world of Darkfall with physics like no other game has ever produced. If you had a shovel in the game you wouldn't just damage to an enemy with it you would also be able to throw it at the ground and pull up dirt or start hacking at a tree or fling small dead animals at people. An item wouldn't be just a single object recognized by the computer as one item it would be composed of many different physical particals that could break up or group together depending upon whether it's water or wood or what ever. What do you think?

[Lachrymose]

and how exactly do you plan on controlling your character in such an environment? a simple mouse and keyboard wouldn't be enough for you to do whatever you wanted.

[Corpse]

and how exactly do you plan on controlling your character in such an environment? a simple mouse and keyboard wouldn't be enough for you to do whatever you wanted.

http://igargoyle.com/archives/powerglovead.jpg

Good for fapping too.

[Xelos]

I think I know of a game you've been waiting for all those 17 years:
http://blog.codefront.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/outside_mmorpg.jpg

[Troytrooper]

I think I know of a game you've been waiting for all those 17 years:
http://blog.codefront.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/outside_mmorpg.jpg

haha nice, but I mean the difference between online games and real life is consequences and physical laws of science. In games they both are easily controlled and can be changed but real life isn't so easy to change like that.

[Lethn]

That was just mean Xelos lol :p

[Troytrooper]

and how exactly do you plan on controlling your character in such an environment? a simple mouse and keyboard wouldn't be enough for you to do whatever you wanted.

Of course I've thought of that and it would have to be done with VR and a full body suit or something, Maybe not like a suit maybe just points on your body where you have to place things for the computer to recognize which position you're in. This is just an idea.

[Beeblebrox]

Darkfall 8 will definitely have these features.

[IcePillow]

and how exactly do you plan on controlling your character in such an environment? a simple mouse and keyboard wouldn't be enough for you to do whatever you wanted.

Just a mouse and keyboard would be a problem.

[Rancid727]

by the time we get a game like this.

we could just jack in or put on a helm on to read our thoughts
we are really close to the helm now.

[Gloomrender]

I've played too many computer games in my short seventeen years of life so I think I know a couple things when it comes to having a fun time online.



My idea for a game would require some major computer power because the entire universe you play in is created out of particals that would work as similar to real life as possible with todays technology. I know it's not a possible achievement today but imagine the world of Darkfall with physics like no other game has ever produced. If you had a shovel in the game you wouldn't just damage to an enemy with it you would also be able to throw it at the ground and pull up dirt or start hacking at a tree or fling small dead animals at people. An item wouldn't be just a single object recognized by the computer as one item it would be composed of many different physical particals that could break up or group together depending upon whether it's water or wood or what ever. What do you think?

Eternal Lands 2?

[Kaorn]

Of course I've thought of that and it would have to be done with VR and a full body suit or something, Maybe not like a suit maybe just points on your body where you have to place things for the computer to recognize which position you're in. This is just an idea.

Yea but if you actually have to move to do stuff think about one or two pvp fights, you would be pretty tired, but I suppose that would be a good think for gamers to actually have to exercise at one point.

[Incanam]

What about the ethics. If essentially we have a world with EXACT human replicas, only virtual, would they be considered human or not. I mean they would think they are real, have thought emotions, just like we do. Imagine if life as we know it is actually a VR game. IT would be the same for the people in the game, right?

[Troytrooper]

Eternal Lands 2?

You know what? I just found out about eternal lands the other day and downloaded it but it wont work, I can't seem to find a fix either.

[Yantheman]

What is the point of this thread? Your talking about an idea that probably every person who has ever played a video game has had themselves already: "Wouldnt it be great if...there was like...this game...but it was exactly like real life." Uh, yeah it would be fucking great I guess.

[Troytrooper]

What about the ethics. If essentially we have a world with EXACT human replicas, only virtual, would they be considered human or not. I mean they would think they are real, have thought emotions, just like we do. Imagine if life as we know it is actually a VR game. IT would be the same for the people in the game, right?

Woah I wasn't going as far as to add AI yet. I'm not so sure that would work the way you think it would. The other week I was watching an episode of Star Treck about the holo deck and stuff. They go into the whole AI personal feelings quite deeply. Quite simply, someone would have to have programed their thoughts and feelings so it would only be as human as any other programed characters on any other game. Although they are starting to grow mouse brain cells on computer circuit boards and they're getting results, so who knows what AI will be like in the next 20 years or so?

[gurinthedark]

What about the ethics. If essentially we have a world with EXACT human replicas, only virtual, would they be considered human or not. I mean they would think they are real, have thought emotions, just like we do. Imagine if life as we know it is actually a VR game. IT would be the same for the people in the game, right?

Or maybe no emotions and just extreme AI!

[Lachrymose]

Of course I've thought of that and it would have to be done with VR and a full body suit or something, Maybe not like a suit maybe just points on your body where you have to place things for the computer to recognize which position you're in. This is just an idea.

suits with trackers would have to be perfected first. as it stands, they aren't such a good method for exploring virtual environments, since the tracker tracks your irl position, which means you won't be able to explore a virtual environment that's any larger than the room your in.

i did a paper on distance perception errors in virtual environments, and most of the ideas right now for movement within virtual environments just don't work. i was thinking you could just run in place, and the vertical movement of your feet could be converted into horizontal translation of the avatar. but if you're playing an MMO, you'll be running pretty much the whole time, so i doubt gamers would be able to spend more than 5 minutes playing before needing a break. :(

[Troytrooper]

What is the point of this thread? Your talking about an idea that probably every person who has ever played a video game has had themselves already: "Wouldnt it be great if...there was like...this game...but it was exactly like real life." Uh, yeah it would be fucking great I guess.

I'm sure it's been talked about many many many times ad nauseum. But I posted here to see what anyone thought about this idea. You don't have to reply, hell you don't even need to read it. I was just wondering what like minded people thought.

[Gloomrender]

You know what? I just found out about eternal lands the other day and downloaded it but it wont work, I can't seem to find a fix either.

The game failed and is no more.

It's an example of what happens when you try to develop a game like you've described. The game's designers had very similar goals to the ones you present.

[Troytrooper]

suits with trackers would have to be perfected first. as it stands, they aren't such a good method for exploring virtual environments, since the tracker tracks your irl position, which means you won't be able to explore a virtual environment that's any larger than the room your in.

i did a paper on distance perception errors in virtual environments, and most of the ideas right now for movement within virtual environments just don't work. i was thinking you could just run in place, and the vertical movement of your feet could be converted into horizontal translation of the avatar. but if you're playing an MMO, you'll be running pretty much the whole time, so i doubt gamers would be able to spend more than 5 minutes playing before needing a break. :(

That's really interesting. and I'm just thinking about how mounts would be virtually impossible to use in a VR room. About the size of the room problem, I have seen this video about German scientist invent something called the Cyberwalk. It's very interesting because it moves in any direction you walk towards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rtX2pWRh6w

[Incanam]

Woah I wasn't going as far as to add AI yet. I'm not so sure that would work the way you think it would. The other week I was watching an episode of Star Treck about the holo deck and stuff. They go into the whole AI personal feelings quite deeply. Quite simply, someone would have to have programed their thoughts and feelings so it would only be as human as any other programed characters on any other game. Although they are starting to grow mouse brain cells on computer circuit boards and they're getting results, so who knows what AI will be like in the next 20 years or so?

We're talking about a game with real molecules right? Well what are humans made of. How do we think?

In a world with physics as detailed as OP is talking about, surely the same chemical reactions would be happening in the humans of that world that are happening in the humans of our world? Doesn't that mean killing them will be like killing a human?

[Yantheman]

I'm sure it's been talked about many many many times ad nauseum. But I posted here to see what anyone thought about this idea. You don't have to reply, hell you don't even need to read it. I was just wondering what like minded people thought.

Youre right, sorry.

[VidarDf]

I've played too many computer games in my short seventeen years of life so I think I know a couple things when it comes to having a fun time online.



My idea for a game would require some major computer power because the entire universe you play in is created out of particals that would work as similar to real life as possible with todays technology. I know it's not a possible achievement today but imagine the world of Darkfall with physics like no other game has ever produced. If you had a shovel in the game you wouldn't just damage to an enemy with it you would also be able to throw it at the ground and pull up dirt or start hacking at a tree or fling small dead animals at people. An item wouldn't be just a single object recognized by the computer as one item it would be composed of many different physical particals that could break up or group together depending upon whether it's water or wood or what ever. What do you think?


i think we have all experimented with acid.

[Troytrooper]

We're talking about a game with real molecules right? Well what are humans made of. How do we think?

In a world with physics as detailed as OP is talking about, surely the same chemical reactions would be happening in the humans of that world that are happening in the humans of our world? Doesn't that mean killing them will be like killing a human?

You're right.... well that would be undeniably true. To tell you the truth, I have never thought of that. Although it would require the perfect scripts for every chemical and chemical reactions found in the body. Although that may sound like a near impossibility now, who knows how close we'll be in the future?

[MinusInnocence]

I think such a game would actually be pretty awful. Without something to do, this "like real life but not" would be terribly boring. And to the OP, who commented that it would be just like the real world but without any consequences for immoral behavior: so, you're asking for a crime simulator? You want to be able to do awful shit to people without getting in trouble?

You can already do everything else. Seriously, like Xelos said, just go outside.

[Gloomrender]

I think such a game would actually be pretty awful. Without something to do, this "like real life but not" would be terribly boring. And to the OP, who commented that it would be just like the real world but without any consequences for immoral behavior: so, you're asking for a crime simulator? You want to be able to do awful shit to people without getting in trouble?

You can already do everything else. Seriously, like Xelos said, just go outside.

There's also the GTA games and Manhunt.

[Troytrooper]

I think such a game would actually be pretty awful. Without something to do, this "like real life but not" would be terribly boring. And to the OP, who commented that it would be just like the real world but without any consequences for immoral behavior: so, you're asking for a crime simulator? You want to be able to do awful shit to people without getting in trouble?

You can already do everything else. Seriously, like Xelos said, just go outside.

Wait, so you're telling me that if I were to want to play a game where I can "do awful shit to people without getting in trouble" it would be a bad thing? What kind of game do you think Darkfall is? Is it a care bear world where everyone loves and cares about each other? Get real man, besides this is only an idea for a basic super realistic game.

[Lachrymose]

That's really interesting. and I'm just thinking about how mounts would be virtually impossible to use in a VR room. About the size of the room problem, I have seen this video about German scientist invent something called the Cyberwalk. It's very interesting because it moves in any direction you walk towards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rtX2pWRh6w

yes, it's an omni-directional treadmill. they're typically used in a "CAVE," which is really nothing more than a room with screens on all 4 sides so you can view the 3d environment. so far, that's the best design for exploring virtual environments, but they're extremely expensive, so right now they aren't really practical.

[Incanam]

I think such a game would actually be pretty awful. Without something to do, this "like real life but not" would be terribly boring. And to the OP, who commented that it would be just like the real world but without any consequences for immoral behavior: so, you're asking for a crime simulator? You want to be able to do awful shit to people without getting in trouble?

You can already do everything else. Seriously, like Xelos said, just go outside.

I don't know. I see this game as a great alternate reality simulator. What If The Native Americans had horses to begin with. What if China had used gunpowder effectively.

Just slap on a fast forward button, and I could spend the rest of my life with a game like that. It would like a game of the sims, only so much better.

[Lunaro]

When they come out with a rape simulator let me know k.

[Weeking]

I'd love to have a program with quasi-real life physics or even chemistry (just using bigger/fewer parts with a limited set of attributes f ex.)

But it would require way too much computer power to be real-time or even multiplayer ATM IMO.

[Xianin]

I think I know of a game you've been waiting for all those 17 years:
http://blog.codefront.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/outside_mmorpg.jpg

PFFT as IF. Outside is so overrated, it's totally unbalanced. The government and police are so OP. NERF!

[Thoric]

Imagine full body motion capture suits working in Darkfall X! Teabagging will become even more pleasant.

[wowsa0]

Darkfall 8 will definitely have these features.

Trouble is I doubt the sun will still be around at that time.

[wowsa0]

That's really interesting. and I'm just thinking about how mounts would be virtually impossible to use in a VR room. About the size of the room problem, I have seen this video about German scientist invent something called the Cyberwalk. It's very interesting because it moves in any direction you walk towards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rtX2pWRh6w

Yeah but that thing is about the same size as my room, I'd have to get rid of my bed.

[wowsa0]

We're talking about a game with real molecules right? Well what are humans made of. How do we think?

In a world with physics as detailed as OP is talking about, surely the same chemical reactions would be happening in the humans of that world that are happening in the humans of our world? Doesn't that mean killing them will be like killing a human?

Wow, that would be a cool game.

[Kusghuul]

Heard of this game called "Arr Ell"...

[Everto]

Play that "Life" board game on the computer.