How much of Forumfall has seen Zeitgeist?

[Toilet]

Just to paint a picture of how "educated" the average forumfaller is.

[PsychoPigeon]

An amazing film, very eye opening.

[MorkDaOrc]

Just because someone has watched it doesn't mean they are educated. I liked the religion and bank parts but the 9/11 one is still a toss up.

[Toilet]

Thats why i put educated in "".

Besides until the FBI actually release the footage from the hotel security cameras, its better to suspect them than believe them.

[Weeking]

Can't remember- Probably seen most of the content in other forms or stolen in other youtube videos though.

[Toilet]

Its sad that 70% percent voted no.

All those who voted, or votes, no, please watch it ASAP!

[Traep]

You think it's sad that most people here haven't bothered to watch a movie that's about how 9/11 was a conspiracy? I find that statistic reassuring myself. I don't mind when people give conspiracy theories a chance but you don't have to watch umpteen billion 9/11 films to do so.

[Razli]

What is it actually about? I've heard of it but I dont know what it actually contains. Anyone care to enlighten me?

[Spineless_DoO]

You think it's sad that most people here haven't bothered to watch a movie that's about how 9/11 was a conspiracy? I find that statistic reassuring myself. I don't mind when people give conspiracy theories a chance but you don't have to watch umpteen billion 9/11 films to do so.

Lol? Its not a movie about 911 at all. Its about what goes on behind the scene. Its the untold story that people have been trying to keep out of your history books.

Another VERY good vid is Money Masters. Every American should take the time to see the entire thing.

[Toilet]

What is it actually about? I've heard of it but I dont know what it actually contains. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Its divided into three parts:

1. Religion

2. 9/11

3. Bankers

The last is the most serious one, it also relates with the second.

[Razli]

Its divided into three parts:

1. Religion

2. 9/11

3. Bankers

The last is the most serious one, it also relates with the second.

Hmmm, I might look it up when I'm bored one day.

[Astaren]

I actually watched it about 3 hours ago.. very impressive document, especially the II and III part

[Fry Me Baby]

Hmmm, I might look it up when I'm bored one day.

It doesn't really matter if you do. It's just a video made by another group of people with their own agenda.

[Attau]

You think it's sad that most people here haven't bothered to watch a movie that's about how 9/11 was a conspiracy? I find that statistic reassuring myself. I don't mind when people give conspiracy theories a chance but you don't have to watch umpteen billion 9/11 films to do so.


Well you should at least bother to watch the legit ones if you would like to debate the topic. If it was a conspiracy you should assume there is misinformation floating around on the internet/youtube as well. Fake/poor conspiracy footage can easily be used to try to discredit all conspiracy theorists... not all of them are crazy *shrug*.

[Tharkon Fargor]

An amazing film, very eye opening.

1/3 is, the other 2/3rds are shading.

[Toilet]

It doesn't really matter if you do. It's just a video made by another group of people with their own agenda.

Yes, but their agenda is better than both the religious leaders and the bankers.

[BeSt]

The religion, bank and 9/11 parts are pure shit. I like to watch these though, nice fictious stories to kill the time with.

[Toilet]

The religion, bank and 9/11 parts are pure shit. I like to watch these though, nice fictious stories to kill the time with.


Your opinion is also shit.

[Apex Vertigo]

Your opinion is also shit.

One man's shit is another man's eye opener?

[Toilet]

One man's shit is another man's eye opener?

Depends if you get hit in the eye though, you might wanna close it then.

[Razli]

Everyone knows that the Bible is a great bit of fiction, and contains little or no fact.

OH yeah, I went there.

[Toilet]

Everyone knows that the Bible is a great bit of fiction, and contains little or no fact.

OH yeah, I went there.

The only facts it contains are astronomical facts.

[Astaren]

The religion, bank and 9/11 parts are pure shit. I like to watch these though, nice fictious stories to kill the time with.

Please state your reasons about why it was pure shit.

[Attau]

Please state your reasons about why it was pure shit.

He's a troll xD.

[Simmy]

http://www.tgsa-comic.com/view.php?date=2008-04-20

[BeSt]

Everyone knows that the Bible is a great bit of fiction, and contains little or no fact.

OH yeah, I went there.

http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=124&Itemid=107
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie#Criticism
http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist-story-of-jesus
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html
http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist-conclusion
http://www.preventingtruthdecay.org/zeitgeistpartone.shtml
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/zeitgeist-refuted/
http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

That should be enough for a while.

[Razli]

http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=124&Itemid=107
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie#Criticism
http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist-story-of-jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6-k6Jg5i18
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html
http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist-conclusion
http://www.preventingtruthdecay.org/zeitgeistpartone.shtml
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/zeitgeist-refuted/
http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

That should be enough for a while.

BTW, I havent actually seen the film. Its just my opinion. Yes there may have been a guy called Jesus, He may haved "Healed" people (Coincidences) and walked on water (Optical illusion?) but he wasnt anything special.

Anyway, You have your religion, I have my reality.

[Fry Me Baby]

It doesn't really matter if you do. It's just a video made by another group of people with their own agenda.

Yes, but their agenda is better than both the religious leaders and the bankers.

I doubt it, eventually they will try to make money just like anyone else can manipulate mass ammounts of people

[paade]

havent seen it, but what ive read it sounds like one of those "documentaries" by M.Moore --> biased and neclecting incovenient truths. I hate half-assed documentaries.

[BeSt]

BTW, I havent actually seen the film. Its just my opinion. Yes there may have been a guy called Jesus, He may haved "Healed" people (Coincidences) and walked on water (Optical illusion?) but he wasnt anything special.

Anyway, You have your religion, I have my reality.

You have your dogmatic beliefs, I have my agnosticism.

[Fry Me Baby]

BTW, I havent actually seen the film. Its just my opinion. Yes there may have been a guy called Jesus, He may haved "Healed" people (Coincidences) and walked on water (Optical illusion?) but he wasnt anything special.

Anyway, You have your religion, I have my reality.

You have your dogmatic beliefs, I have my agnosticism.

And the flaming of each others beliefs begins

[Ample]

Thats why i put educated in "".

Besides until the FBI actually release the footage from the hotel security cameras, its better to suspect them than believe them.

it doesn't make them "educated" either.

[Beeblebrox]

I watched it. Half of it seems bullshit, but I just don't know enough to tell...

[Henu989]

Seen it.
Really liked the 1st part.

I recommend it for everyone who hasn't seen it.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

[Fry Me Baby]

I watched it. Half of it seems bullshit, but I just don't know enough to tell...

I doubt half the people who watched the video and jumped on its bandwagon know enough either

[surGeonFFS]

Watching it right now. Very compelling evidence presented so far.

Don't know what to think before I fact check though.

[Everto]

Like I said, I found the religion part the most interesting.
The bank part the second most interesting.
The OTHER conspiracys [about vietname and germany] more interesting than the 9/11 conspiracy.

[stalwart]

LOL @ "watching zeitgeist means your educated"


LOL AGAIN cause that shit is funny.

[Lindorn]

LOL @ "watching zeitgeist means your educated"


LOL AGAIN cause that shit is funny.

Seriously. It reminds me of how every time I go to Canada everyone precurses any political conversation with "OMG HAVE YOU SEEN AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH?". As if that's somehow the fucking litmus test for me to have a logical and factual discussion with someone.

[Everto]

LOL @ "watching zeitgeist means your educated"


LOL AGAIN cause that shit is funny.

I wouldn't say it makes you educated, but aware nonetheless.

[Attau]

I think this is a pretty well made 9/11 series. Of course it would be hard to fact check it; and yet... It's worth considering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGCTsvL0k6o

I only suggest it to those who are unfamiliar with the 9/11 arguments though. It's about 35 minutes long.

[Scully]

Sure there are a lot of lies and conspiracies out there, but they're not a part of something bigger... like a world government ><

[Lindorn]

Sure there are a lot of lies and conspiracies out there, but they're not a part of something bigger... like a world government ><.

Good point, I never thought about it like that.

[Fry Me Baby]

Sure there are a lot of lies and conspiracies out there, but they're not a part of something bigger... like a race of crab people living at the center of the earth<

Fixt

[Rokolith]

J "educated"
People are only educated if they agree with you, right?

[Honorius]

Just to paint a picture of how "educated" the average forumfaller is.

Was I just called uneducated by a person with the name of Toilet?

[Morthor]

Ok I'm interested after reading this, going to watch it now.

[stalwart]

I wouldn't say it makes you educated, but aware nonetheless.

zeitgeist is full of half truths. just because you think you are more "aware," you aren't. that just proves you just don't know the difference between utter bullshit and the truth. congratu-fucking-lations.

[The Cougar]

zeitgeist is full of half truths. just because you think you are more "aware," you aren't. that just proves you just don't know the difference between utter bullshit and the truth. congratu-fucking-lations.
Exactly. And I've seen the movie.

[LordRolo]

zeitgeist is full of half truths. just because you think you are more "aware," you aren't. that just proves you just don't know the difference between utter bullshit and the truth. congratu-fucking-lations.

*head desk
*head desk

all you are really proving is that you are the living embodiment of that film for the other side of the argument!

[IcePillow]

Havn't seen it.

[Helgeran]

Was I just called uneducated by a person with the name of Toilet?
That was like when Satan got upset for me joking about his name.

[Morthor]

Strangely enough, I found part one not surprising. I beleive p1 totally, it seems absurd not to, but I can't help feel that its just there to make us think that the whole film is entirely truth. In that respect, it is very well made.

I think it's safe to say that parts of this are exagerrated or put in such a way that we beleive them more than we would otherwise. This may or may not be true, but for example: when they say that when the attacks happened in London at the EXACT stations as anti-terrorist exercises were being done, the exercises could have easily been being conducted at many more than 3 stations and it is genuine co-incidence that the attacks happened on the same day. OK, thats a weak example but you can see how the film-makers can manipulate your thoughts just as well as any of the politicians they stigmatise.

[Razel]

the sad fact is we will probably never gain the freedoms we once had back, not because we don't 'deserve' them but because they dont want us to have them back.

[alfaroverall]

Ironic that you deem yourself educated when you misspelled "Zeitgeist" in your OP (albeit not in your title).

[Helgeran]

Ironic that you deem yourself educated when you misspelled "Zeitgeist" in your OP (albeit not in your title).
11,000+, you're really shaping up.

[Lethn]

lol wow extremism at it's finest, maybe not religious or political extremism but still extremism, it doesn't take a movie to know that George Bush faked the nukes in Iraq in order to get people to follow him and it doesn't take a genious to know that we've been landed in police states.

Why? The evidence that was given to the politicians was never shown clearly to the public and the public were never given a choice in whether or not the countries' would go to war or not, not only that for years upon years now there are only two parties in either government that offer both extreme sides ( funny that isn't it? ) and not one of them has been booted out of their own government or had third party clash with them.

Those two things by themselves are enough for me to not trust our current governments and threaten my rights i'm amazed we're even allowed free speech these days anymore now that it's constantly shut up by political correctness.

[alfaroverall]

lol wow extremism at it's finest, maybe not religious or political extremism but still extremism, it doesn't take a movie to know that George Bush faked the nukes in Iraq in order to get people to follow him and it doesn't take a genious to know that we've been landed in police states.
Bush was misinformed. He didn't just fake the nukes. The CIA fucked up and Saddam wanted to maintain his bluff that he had WMDs, thereby preventing the UN from getting in there. Hence the reasonable assumption was made that he was hiding them, and the invasion began, encouraged by a good bit of the international community. Do recall that this was also against a man who murdered thousands of civilians, 3000 of which died in a small genocide over the course of about a week, with the use of WMDs (chemical ones admittedly, but WMDs nonetheless). We know now that he was no threat, but at the time it was fairly reasonable to assume that he was.
Why? The evidence that was given to the politicians was never shown clearly to the publicand the public were never given a choice in whether or not the countries' would go to war or not
I'm pretty sure both of those things are fundamental aspects of a republic.
not only that for years upon years now there are only two parties in either government that offer both extreme sides ( funny that isn't it? )
Try looking at other countries. This country has an obscene amount of moderation in the way its government is constructed. We're smack dab in the middle of the spectrum pretty much. Throw on deficit spending and you basically have our government in its entirety.
and not one of them has been booted out of their own government or had third party clash with them.
By virtue of the people's decision, yes? Third parties are legal in this country.

Those two things by themselves are enough for me to not trust our current governments and threaten my rights i'm amazed we're even allowed free speech these days anymore now that it's constantly shut up by political correctness.
Political correctness doesn't impact you directly. You can't be accused of a crime for walking up to someone on the street and calling them a racial slur. You'll be frowned upon but you won't be accused of any crime. You'll probably lose the ability to win a lawsuit against the person for having assaulted you if they did so (since they would have had provocation) but you wouldn't be accused of any crime.

Cry more hyped up noob.

[Ezion]

I voted "no", then I realized I did see 15 minutes of it once, and decided it wasn't worth the time. Doesn't take a genius to make a conspiracy theory, just someone with too much time on their hands.

[Ragnika]

If you enjoyed Zeitgeist, than start getting into the things Jordan Maxwell talks about. Zeitgeist was influenced by him.

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com

[BladeSLicer]

I've seen it, and it's hilarious. I believe it ranks amoung similar films such as Loose Change.

They're, essentially, losers with tin hats who like to pretend they've come upon some crazy revelation that will change the world.

[Gloomrender]

Zeitgeist's second half makes the first, better half, much less credible. There's way better docs/vids dismantling theism, without conspiracy theories attached.

For instance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY

[Killuminati]

I use to like this movie, but then I was like no its fucking stupid and idiotic. Most people would feel the same if they actually read more on the subjects they go over, and look at the sources they have.

However the FED stuff is mostly correct If I remember.

[Ganon]

wonderful, I 'd force schools to show it to kids.

[Nefastus]

I like how people say that Bush was "misinformed" about WMDs in Iraq, especially by CIA, lol. Whoever believes that is a pure and complete idiot. The guy has access and control over all of the U.S. intelligence agencies, including Military and CIA, and he was "misinformed". Also, if by "misinformed" you mean being told by CIA and other nation's intelligence communities that there are no WMDs in Iraq, unless it's what's remained from what U.S. gave them, then sure, believe that, lol.

[Traep]

Lol? Its not a movie about 911 at all. Its about what goes on behind the scene. Its the untold story that people have been trying to keep out of your history books.

Another VERY good vid is Money Masters. Every American should take the time to see the entire thing.

It's not about 9/11, just the story behind 9/11?

I have one friend who has seen it and told me to check it out and all of his comments on it were about how 9/11 was an inside job. You're being extremely vague here. What is this scary stuff that people have been trying to keep out of my history books that isn't a conspiracy theory at all?

Well you should at least bother to watch the legit ones if you would like to debate the topic. If it was a conspiracy you should assume there is misinformation floating around on the internet/youtube as well. Fake/poor conspiracy footage can easily be used to try to discredit all conspiracy theorists... not all of them are crazy *shrug*.

If I assume, because it's a conspiracy, that there is misinformation floating around the internet that can't be trusted that seems to mean that I have to discount any information I find that gives evidence against said conspiracy. What good would it do to hold that sort of position? I would simply be looking for information that supports the conspiracy theory and nothing else.

How would I know which videos are legit as well? If I believe the conspiracy theory then every video is "legit" and if I don't then none of them are. I have checked out videos, read about it, etc, and haven't been convinced. This video is not likely to change that.

[Attau]

It's not about 9/11, just the story behind 9/11?

I have one friend who has seen it and told me to check it out and all of his comments on it were about how 9/11 was an inside job. You're being extremely vague here. What is this scary stuff that people have been trying to keep out of my history books that isn't a conspiracy theory at all?



If I assume, because it's a conspiracy, that there is misinformation floating around the internet that can't be trusted that seems to mean that I have to discount any information I find that gives evidence against said conspiracy. What good would it do to hold that sort of position? I would simply be looking for information that supports the conspiracy theory and nothing else.

How would I know which videos are legit as well? If I believe the conspiracy theory then every video is "legit" and if I don't then none of them are. I have checked out videos, read about it, etc, and haven't been convinced. This video is not likely to change that.

I am just suggesting that if you haven't heard the theories yet not to shrug them off because once you heard that you had to be a 'tinfoil hat' to believe them.

It's fairly obvious which videos are serious and which ones are fringe lunacy... and if you'd seen many I'd suppose you know the difference.

Just from a logical perspective - Our history as humans has been basically about social stature and enslaving one another has it not? So why would it be so hard to believe that the struggle is ongoing? I'm not one for massive illuminati conspiracy but '9/11 inside job' and the following patriot act/liberty nonsense is a pretty compelling theory and even a plausible reality.

[Gloomrender]

I am just suggesting that if you haven't heard the theories yet not to shrug them off because once you heard that you had to be a 'tinfoil hat' to believe them.

It's fairly obvious which videos are serious and which ones are fringe lunacy... and if you'd seen many I'd suppose you know the difference.

Just from a logical perspective - Our history as humans has been basically about social stature and enslaving one another has it not? So why would it be so hard to believe that the struggle is ongoing? I'm not one for massive illuminati conspiracy but '9/11 inside job' and the following patriot act/liberty nonsense is a pretty compelling theory and even a plausible reality.

*sigh*. It's really not. Someone else link to the 1000 pages+ of info debunking these theories, I'm too lazy.

[Blodpls]

Watched about 10 mins of it.

Turned it off as it was nonsense.

[Spart]

Very stupid to assume that since someone has seen a movie, then they are educated.

[stalwart]

*head desk
*head desk

all you are really proving is that you are the living embodiment of that film for the other side of the argument!

wow. and you are using classic conspiracy theorist logic. "they told me they'd try to tell me i was lied to!"

dude, i'm saying it's full of half truths. that part about religion in the first part? they lay down some half-facts and then base their next 30 minutes off of it. even though their arguments make a lot of sense, they are based on some false assumptions.

there are much better sources for information out there than a movie like ZG. if this is what it takes for you to start looking around and exploring new ideas, go for it, but don't take it as the end all be all of "documentaries"

[Vanno]

Haven't watched it.

[palo god]

I have.

[chimp]

Im just going to give a captain picard sized facepalm at this thread, and leave it at that.

[Traep]

I am just suggesting that if you haven't heard the theories yet not to shrug them off because once you heard that you had to be a 'tinfoil hat' to believe them.

It's fairly obvious which videos are serious and which ones are fringe lunacy... and if you'd seen many I'd suppose you know the difference.

Just from a logical perspective - Our history as humans has been basically about social stature and enslaving one another has it not? So why would it be so hard to believe that the struggle is ongoing? I'm not one for massive illuminati conspiracy but '9/11 inside job' and the following patriot act/liberty nonsense is a pretty compelling theory and even a plausible reality.

I have heard the theories and I didn't shrug them off until I looked into them further.

It's not obvious which videos are serious or lunacy as they all appear to be lunacy to me since I don't believe it was an inside job due to looking into all the theories I could find about the subject. The only way for them not to be lunacy is for 9/11 to be an inside job.

And yeah, there has been plenty of class warfare in human history but that's not a good reason to believe that 9/11 was about finding a way to enslave the American populace. You're taking about 50 enormous leaps in logic to come to that conclusion. What's more likely is that a really shitty thing happened that's hard to believe so some people look for other explanations. The whole Patriot Act thing, it's much more likely that Bush either really thinks that it was necessary to protect us or was just taking advantage of a tragedy.

[Capricious]

Intellectuals do their own research - they don't rely on a movie, with an agenda like all others, to spell everything out for them.

[shnedit]

sounds fucking boring.