Question: DF / Aventurine @ 2008 Games Convention, Leipzig, Germany? [Archive]

areku

08-13-2008, 10:33 AM

I don't know if this has already been asked. The search function didn't give me any good results.

But will one or more of you devs be at the faire or at GCDC on august 20th (trade visitor & media day)? I expect you'll be there making publishing deals, right? =D

Hotreb

08-13-2008, 10:41 AM

Don't think so, considering how the use to deal with press and media.

rendelgrendel

08-13-2008, 10:46 AM

They would probably murder everyone else there and rape all the booth babes.

areku

08-13-2008, 11:02 AM

I think they were there behind the scenes showcasing something out of a laptop. About one or two years ago. Maybe they'll do it again as we're now "closer to release". =D

Tiarilir

08-13-2008, 11:04 AM

I think they were there behind the scenes showcasing something out of a laptop. About one or two years ago. Maybe they'll do it again as we're now "closer to release". =D

Just....

don't.

Jonkar

08-13-2008, 11:09 AM

No.

dirtknap

08-13-2008, 11:14 AM

don't attend GCDC, fine, but howabout showing off a bit more of Darkfall to the devoted fans eh?

Bimbaa

08-13-2008, 11:34 AM

don't attend GCDC, fine, but howabout showing off a bit more of Darkfall to the devoted fans eh?

Well, they are going to release the vid this month you know ;)

Brannoc

08-13-2008, 11:37 AM

Xzi

08-13-2008, 12:18 PM

Since the European based distrobution deal is done at this point it would be a rather silly reason to go.

However I believe one or two members of the team will be in town, but I can't confirm what their role at the convention will be.
Yea I figure there'd be no point in going to preview the game considering release is this year and we'll be able to play it ourselves via beta. Still, anything new is always fun. :D

Everto

08-13-2008, 12:26 PM

They would probably murder everyone else there and rape all the booth babes.

And full loot everything off of all corpses.

claudiofm

08-13-2008, 02:23 PM

claudiofm

08-13-2008, 02:33 PM

Since the European based distrobution deal is done at this point it would be a rather silly reason to go.

However I believe one or two members of the team will be in town, but I can't confirm what their role at the convention will be.

I disagree

GC is in germany, germany is in europe

Greece is in Europe

Gc the most important fair of europe, games

and is the last exhibition this year, removing the TGS of japan

I think, really, illogical, "" stupid, not to present the game in Gc, as the game goes this year

besides, for this is the distrubuidor of you not?, to promote the game, and that the best place GC of germany

pd:
I assure you that if, aventurine cares a little more, just a little more than promote your game

1-2 months 1 million players

a question silly?

you have enough server, for the avalanche of players, when you leave the street Darkfall

thenuh

08-13-2008, 02:36 PM

Fairs cost money and a lot of time. Which I suppose they don't have to spare on something as incalculable as a GameCon.

dirtknap

08-13-2008, 02:36 PM

"Mortal Online" yes attend the GC

link or it's not true.

claudiofm

08-13-2008, 02:38 PM

link or it's not true.

ok 1 sec i link

:)

claudiofm

08-13-2008, 02:45 PM

Game Convention in Leipzig, Germany

Star Vault will be attending the 2008 Leipzig Games Convention. The Leipzig Games Convention is an annual video game event held in Leipzig Germany. With over 180.000 visitors it's one of the biggest game events in the world.
Take the chance to meet some of the Star Vault dev's and drink some german Bier!

http://www.mortalonline.com/news/newsletter-june

such as a company as small as this

such as a company as small as this

be + - = that aventurine

and leave your game in 2009, this in the GC and aventurine and Darkfall, NO

:(

Mothly game information
Unfortunately, due to our visit to Epic Games and the upcoming Game Convention we are not going to release any new information for Mortal Online this summer (July/August). Due to our tight schedule we have to prioritize working on the game itself and the surrounding development (as well as getting some rest for a week or two). We are sorry for this and promise to do our best to compensate for it when time allows us to.

Bimbaa

08-13-2008, 02:47 PM

http://www.mortalonline.com/news/newsletter-june

Seems like they're not afraid to show off their game :ohno:

Vanth

08-13-2008, 03:11 PM

Seems like they're not afraid to show off their game :ohno:

Their trailer does look impressive. Just a trailer though...

areku

08-13-2008, 03:55 PM

As far as I understand it, Aventurine is running a pretty low-budged marketing/PR-strategy for DF. They've mostly shifted their communications budged (manpower) in community building and some media relations (online). Being a small company with their first game, this is pretty smart.

-> No one expects them to have a booth at GC.

Still, I'd have loved to meet one or two of the devs and maybe have a look at some low-tech-presentation of the game. But probably they don't have the time to compile yet another offline demo-version of the game.

PS: I'll be at the Mortal Online booth. It's good to keep an eye on the competition, right? =D

d_arcturus

08-13-2008, 04:08 PM

PS: I'll be at the Mortal Online booth. It's good to sabotage the competition, right? =D

fixed.

I think DF will be a game that gets passed around by word of mouth. Most of the people I know found out about it by word of mouth. Granted its to be expected with the lack of PR, but still. People are more interested to check out a game their friends tell them about than something a magazine talks about anyway.

Besides with how large/devoted/fanatic this community is, we can easily spread the word of the game for them

Wel

08-13-2008, 04:10 PM

... Being a small company with their first game, this is pretty smart.

Right.

Their business strategy is ridiculous, it doesn't matter what kind of arguement they use. If they want to make this game successful there should be marketing - not just the shitty kind of marketing that's going on right now.

I swear to god if they would just get an intern from a college or uni in greece, he could produce a quality podcast & gameplay video every week.

Deja vu

08-13-2008, 04:29 PM

Given there track record I doubt you will see them at GC.

DarkWare

08-13-2008, 04:50 PM

Aventurine need to publicate their upcoming movies and infos to other big sites like Ign... They also need a cool cinematic trailer.

I think Mortal Online will fail. when I hear that they are using Unreal engine and Grome (same as Aoc) I think of a laggy restricted game there you can't do anything...

Mortal Online (Starvault) thinks more of graphics, like AoC, a lot of people think that's good, untill they play the game....(laggy as hell)

Aventurine have put a lot of time into the game and the gameplay, the graphics comes after.

Legolas

08-13-2008, 05:06 PM

"Mortal Online" yes attend the GC
because, aventurine and Darkfall not?
Motal online was launched in 2009
darkfall in 2008
:(
aventurine
I do not understand
some day will make a presentation, properly?

2009, right.. They're discussing very basic features on their forum, like Razorwax did 2001-2003 with us.

How many developers are they? 4? 5?

Knocky

08-13-2008, 05:19 PM

Why are these Devs not interested in any form of advertisement?

maskedtears

08-13-2008, 05:21 PM

Why are these Devs not interested in any form of advertisement?

Cause they want to raise awareness for Insomnia. :) True story!

Morthor

08-13-2008, 05:24 PM

Why are these Devs not interested in any form of advertisement?

They seem to think the game will speak for itself and knowledge of it will just spread that way.

While it might make them seem to have confidence in their product, I'd say it can be seen as foolhardy, even. It just seems like a big risk to me, unless they are planning to start advertising / hyping the game soon.

Teth

08-13-2008, 05:25 PM

Why are these Devs not interested in any form of advertisement?
Because there is hype, and then there is advertisement. Advertisement is what you do when you actually have a product to sell. Hype is for when you don't have a product yet.

The devs believe in advertisement, but not in hype. Hype always ends up coming back to bite you in the ass in the long run.

Considering that virtually everybody on these forums right now heard about the game through word of mouth, it's obviously been working pretty well so far...

Knocky

08-13-2008, 05:26 PM

A little FYI to the Devs.

Just because I happened to have stumble across this game does not mean another quarter of a million people will find this game by accident.

"If you build it, they will come" is a lie dreamed up in Hollywood.

Knocky

08-13-2008, 05:27 PM

Because there is hype, and then there is advertisement. Advertisement is what you do when you actually have a product to sell. Hype is for when you don't have a product yet.

The devs believe in advertisement, but not in hype. Hype always ends up coming back to bite you in the ass in the long run.

Considering that virtually everybody on these forums right now heard about the game through word of mouth, it's obviously been working pretty well so far...

So you admit they are not even trying to sell this game to a producer in North America? Yes I know this thread is about a Euro "E3", but where were you during NA's 2008 E3?

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Curcio

08-13-2008, 05:30 PM

Why would we need PR if all you need is patience and faith? Man.. I sound like a religious preacher. *cough*

Morthor

08-13-2008, 05:31 PM

Considering that virtually everybody on these forums right now heard about the game through word of mouth, it's obviously been working pretty well so far...

I'd say at least half of the people here came across Darkfall via Muffins' video on Youtube... you know the one. I know I did. I always get the impression people might be reluctant to advertise the game or mention it on forums and such solely because it has hardly been advertised and therefore has this vaporware stigma attatched.

Staatsschutz

08-13-2008, 05:31 PM

maskedtears

08-13-2008, 05:33 PM

So you admit they are not even trying to sell this game to a producer in North America? Yes I know this thread is about a Euro "E3", but where were you during NA's 2008 E3?

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'They' aren't customers. They are future business partners.

You can't convince people to buy your stuff if you have no way to sell it.

Why would we need PR if all you need is patience and faith? Man.. I sound like a religious preacher. *cough*

No, you sounded smart. :)

Knocky

08-13-2008, 05:33 PM

Why are these Devs not interested in any form of advertisement?

ok if you were a red poster, this would have been a very critical statement.....

Man...that is too cynical even for me. :D

Teth

08-13-2008, 05:35 PM

So you admit they are not even trying to sell this game to a producer in North America? Yes I know this thread is about a Euro "E3", but where were you during NA's 2008 E3?

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We just did a member purge, I'm thinking. Numbers were way higher a month ago.

In the past, DF devs at E3 have gone around with a little demo version of the game and peddled it to developers. They found numerous groups who were willing to publish Darkfall, but none who were willing to do it on terms Aventurine found acceptable.

d_arcturus

08-13-2008, 05:35 PM

"If you build it, they will come" is a lie dreamed up in Hollywood.
True. However, as is the case with a good number of people on these forums, they here from word of mouth. So if they build it, some will come, then those people will tell more people, and they will tell more, then bigger companies will find out about it.

I'm not saying they shouldn't advertise, but they have 50k users on these forums, and who knows how many more users that come here but don't make accounts. Its working so far. Theres no point hyping or advertising something that isn't out yet.

Besides if they have 5 million people interested in the game by the time it comes out, the servers will be crowded and laggy.

Knocky

08-13-2008, 05:36 PM

'They' aren't customers. They are future business partners.

You can't convince people to buy your stuff if you have no way to sell it.

No, you sounded smart. :)

You need some reading comprehension my good, good friend.

"They" in my post are the Devs. The people at electronics expos are Producers. Poducers sell the Dev's product.

Once again, read my quote.

maskedtears

08-13-2008, 05:39 PM

You need some reading comprehension my good, good friend.

"They" in my post are the Devs. The people at electronics expos are Producers. Poducers sell the Dev's product.

Once again, read my quote.

I know what you said. And I was using They as the Producers which you obviously noticed hence the 'quotes'.

Knocky

08-13-2008, 05:40 PM

We just did a member purge, I'm thinking. Numbers were way higher a month ago.

In the past, DF devs at E3 have gone around with a little demo version of the game and peddled it to developers. They found numerous groups who were willing to publish Darkfall, but none who were willing to do it on terms Aventurine found acceptable.

Purge.....I feel scared now. :ohno:

lol

Though seriously, I am sure the house that sold for $1 up in Detroit CLICKIE (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/METRO/808130360/&imw=Y) wasn't done on term acceptable to that bank either. Purhaps you should build your own server farm in NA and sell the game via download if you cant find a producer here that meets your stringent demands?

Damn our economy sucks right now. :(

Teth

08-13-2008, 05:41 PM

Purge.....I feel scared now. :ohno:

lol

Though seriously, I am sure the house that sold for $1 up in Detroit CLICKIE (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/METRO/808130360/&imw=Y) wasn't done on term acceptable to that bank either. Purhaps you should build your own server farm in NA and sell the game via download if you cant find a producer here that meets your stringent demands?
"You"? Since when am I an employee of Aventurine?

And the devs have said in the past that they are willing to do precisely that, but it's going to take longer than their EU situation where they did find an acceptable publisher who didn't want creative control or rights to the IP.

Knocky

08-13-2008, 05:45 PM

That was a generic "you", I am aware that: "Community staff are not paid employees of Aventurine. In all business our opinions are entirely our own, and do not represent official Aventurine opinions. "

Niccoli

08-13-2008, 06:22 PM

We just did a member purge, I'm thinking. Numbers were way higher a month ago.

In the past, DF devs at E3 have gone around with a little demo version of the game and peddled it to publishers. They found numerous groups who were willing to publish Darkfall, but none who were willing to do it on terms Aventurine found acceptable.

Fixt?

Teth

08-13-2008, 06:30 PM

Fixt?
Fixt indeed. Thanks for noticing that. Sadly, I'm past the statute of limitations for editing.

Aurorix

08-13-2008, 08:15 PM

The only kind of marketing this game needs is a playable demo distributed to popular and big name game review sites. It will spread like wild fire after that, for better or for worse. Its time to kick it to the guillotine and see what the masses want to happen from there. C'mon aventurine, you're baby is going to have to grow up and leave home eventually...

dirtknap

08-14-2008, 12:43 PM

Yes I know this thread is about a Euro "E3", but where were you during NA's 2008 E3?

GCDC leipzig is about 10x the size of E3 first of all. secondly, E3 has seen a large number of game studios withdraw from the convention because the organisers have gotten too greedy, consequently E3 is effectively only Sony, Nintendo and Microslop now. E3 is dead.

dirtknap

08-14-2008, 12:49 PM

"Mortal Online" yes attend the GC

MO are not listed as attending GCDC.

bmfof

08-14-2008, 01:02 PM

they are, actually (http://messe-av.leipziger-messe.de/index.php?page=337&params%5B1%5D%5B1%5D=YTo1OntzOjEyOiJleGh pYml0b3JfaWQiO2k6MzY2MjQ1O3M6OToic291cmN lX3NmIjtzOjIwOiJzaG93RXhoaWJpdG9yRGV0YWl scyI7czo4OiJldmVudF9pZCI7aTo0MDQ7czo0OiJ wYWdlIjtzOjQ6IjI0NDEiO3M6OToicGFyYW1ldGV yIjthOjY6e3M6ODoiZXZlbnRfaWQiO2k6NDA0O3M 6OToic291cmNlX3NmIjtzOjE5OiJzaG93RXZlbnR FeGhpYml0b3JzIjtzOjc6ImNvbW1hbmQiO3M6MjA 6InNob3dFeGhpYml0b3JEZXRhaWxzIjtzOjEyOiJ leGhpYml0b3JfaWQiO3M6NjoiMzY2MjQ1IjtzOjQ 6InBhZ2UiO3M6NDoiMjQ0MSI7czoxMzoic291cmN lX291dHB1dCI7czo0OiJIVE1MIjt9fQ==)

Bistfedon

08-14-2008, 01:51 PM

Thorpeyrox

08-14-2008, 06:36 PM

Seems like they're not afraid to show off their game :ohno:

I think Darkfall is the only game in existance which is "afraid" to show off their game, don't know why though seeming as it will be 'the' game.

Bimbaa

08-14-2008, 06:38 PM

I think Darkfall is the only game in existance which is "afraid" to show off their game, don't know why though seeming as it will be 'the' game.

That was kinda my point :D

Thorpeyrox

08-14-2008, 07:00 PM

That was kinda my point :D

Lol just me being bitter i wouldn't worry about it.
My favorite comparason of DFO and Mortal Online, in these forums we get things said such as "why the fuck should the Devs tell you anything about the game" but on Mortal Online there is a poll on the front page asking for your opinion on what you want to know more about.

This is amazing seeming as Darkfall is so close to release and Mortal Online isn't due this year.

Darkfall Devs need to step it up a notch! (But then again I'm waiting for an answer like the above)

End Dream

08-14-2008, 10:52 PM

Their trailer does look impressive. Just a trailer though...

prerendered trailers are meaningless

kubbe

08-14-2008, 11:14 PM

Their trailer does look impressive. Just a trailer though...

Yea, the trailer is really good. I like how the horse look, but I dont think that is gameplay graphic though.

Aurorix

08-14-2008, 11:59 PM

Yea, the trailer is really good. I like how the horse look, but I dont think that is gameplay graphic though.

Whose seen the Blade and Soul trailer yet? Looks kinda cool. Sure, maybe just another korean grind fest, but i really enjoyed Lineage2.. /shrug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-y20gIDHlE