You think You will dominate? Prove you can work together..

[PaleOne]

Redemption recently built its Tier Three Keep on Deathwhisper in Age of Conan to join the Ranks of guilds like

Lords of the Dead
The Regulators
Sinister
PRX-CQ
Goons
Combine
DDH

These are all organizations that have proved for years that they can get things accomplished and work together. And they all raised Tier three keeps on Deathwhisper to fight among all the other hardcore mmorg PVP guilds.

So My question is....

What has your Darkfall guild accomplished that proves you have the perseverance and teamwork necesarry to win?

[Honorius]

Redemption recently built its Tier Three Keep on Deathwhisper in Age of Conan to join the Ranks of guilds like

Lords of the Dead
The Regulators
Sinister
PRX-CQ
Goons
Combine
DDH

These are all organizations that have proved for years that they can get things accomplished and work together. And they all raised Tier three keeps on Deathwhisper to fight among all the other hardcore mmorg PVP guilds.

So My question is....

What has your Darkfall guild accomplished that proves you have the perseverance and teamwork necesarry to win?

B@D, FoE, QFT, and LoD. All wtf pwn those clans, and have accomplished more in their respective games than those clans ever have or will.

[Rahavin]

We actually are a group of video game players from Blackwater. We do merc work in real life.

srsly.

[TerrorDome]

All unwarranted self-importance and circle jerking aside. I once found a quarter on the sidewalk.

[Gunnarr]

Redemption recently built its Tier Three Keep on Deathwhisper in Age of Conan to join the Ranks of guilds like

Lords of the Dead
The Regulators
Sinister
PRX-CQ
Goons
Combine
DDH

These are all organizations that have proved for years that they can get things accomplished and work together. And they all raised Tier three keeps on Deathwhisper to fight among all the other hardcore mmorg PVP guilds.

So My question is....

What has your Darkfall guild accomplished that proves you have the perseverance and teamwork necesarry to win?

My guild in AoC got is BK up two days after the BK patch. That was what ... 7 or 8 weeks ago? I'm not saying we rock or you suck .... just that a T3 keep in AoC isn't the be all end all of internet gaming. Grats on the T3 keep however. =)

[Surly]

I pwned the shit out of a lot of newbs on forumfall.

[PaleOne]

My guild in AoC got is BK up two days after the BK patch. That was what ... 7 or 8 weeks ago? I'm not saying we rock or you suck .... just that a T3 keep in AoC isn't the be all end all of internet gaming. Grats on the T3 keep however. =)

Im just saying there are a lot of guilds on these forums who havent even played a game together and just brag about how they will own in Game..:)

Raising a keep isnt Everything, but it is SOMETHING that some guilds have been able to do and alot of guilds have not.


You are the first person who actually responded to this post by listing a real accomplishment instead of more trash talk.... Thanks!

[Kaorn]

Goons?

Aren't they just a massive zerg guild?

[Rahavin]

The something awful people are like a rare zerg. Most of them have played together for a hell of a long time, but there are a ridiculous amount of them.

[Teth]

Goons?

Aren't they just a massive zerg guild?
They're a surprisingly cohesive zerg, as they are tied together by bonds of common culture & memetics. Making them do anything is like herding ADD-riddled kittens, but they are surprisingly faithful to their concept of Goondom.

[TerrorDome]

They're a surprisingly cohesive zerg, as they are tied together by bonds of common culture & memetics. Making them do anything is like herding ADD-riddled kittens, but they are surprisingly faithful to their concept of Goondom.

also aids

[Metal Wolf]

Had the intelligence to stay away from another grindfeast craptastic MMO.

[Snowed]

Pshhaww.. i /pwn noobs in forumfall.

[TerrorDome]

"/wrists" is usually seen as a better mmo option to l2

[Atnas]

I am Age of Conan, I AM AGE OF CONAN!

[Amaryl]

What has your Darkfall guild accomplished that proves you have the perseverance and teamwork necesarry to win?

Not play a scam game like AoC?

[SpartanRedeemer]

What has your Darkfall guild accomplished that proves you have the perseverance and teamwork necesarry to win?

Uh, we didn't play AoC...
score one us?



and where the hell did that daemon baby get crayons Surly?

[Suitepee]

You consider building a meaningless T3 keep in Age of Conan an 'achievement' worthy of bringing it up in Forumfall? :lmao:
ALL clans will be able to do that with enough grindfest time spent in resource zones.

How about telling us about an achievement in a game where not every clan will be able to do it. Say like....holding 10 cities in Shadowbane or something.

[Furion Storm]

Achieving something in Age of Conan is useless anyway, since everyone is leaving the game, so have fun achieving something against nobody ! :rolleyes:

[PaleOne]

You consider building a meaningless T3 keep in Age of Conan an 'achievement' worthy of bringing it up in Forumfall? :lmao:
ALL clans will be able to do that with enough grindfest time spent in resource zones.

How about telling us about an achievement in a game where not every clan will be able to do it. Say like....holding 10 cities in Shadowbane or something.


and what do you think it will take to build a city in Darkfall?..What did it take to build ten cities in SB..

We did better than ten cities in SB we held half a continent. There were cities Covering the Entire mourning sever in every possible place you could plant, accept the eastern desert where there was one large city and few satellites wearing our crest, and nothing but empty space. Anyone who planted there was burned.

Building a Tier 3 Keep in AoC shows teamwork and perseverance, the massive amount of resources gathered in a PVP zone shared by two other guilds does show the ability to hold Territory, although not as much as SB Did.

I just laugh when people reply to this thread with one liners about not playing AoC, because it just proves to me that they havent accomplished anything worth stating in an actual game..

[sorros]

Not play a scam game like AoC?

lawlz

but seriously, stop with the teamwork, etc. yes, it is an important aspect of guilds--but so is their ability to actually PLAY THE GAME. its not out yet, so why doesnt everyone just cool off, stop blasting each other about how much the other guild/alliance or whatever sucks, and do it after the game comes out and there are actually some clan wars?

and if you really want to bring up 'teamwork', go look for some guild that has a high ranking team in some FPS tournament.

[Lycurgus-BoD]

and what do you think it will take to build a city in Darkfall?..What did it take to build ten cities in SB..

We did better than ten cities in SB we held half a continent. There were cities Covering the Entire mourning sever in every possible place you could plant, accept the eastern desert where there was one large city and few satellites wearing our crest, and nothing but empty space. Anyone who planted there was burned.

Building a Tier 3 Keep in AoC shows teamwork and perseverance, the massive amount of resources gathered in a PVP zone shared by two other guilds does show the ability to hold Territory, although not as much as SB Did.

I just laugh when people reply to this thread with one liners about not playing AoC, because it just proves to me that they havent accomplished anything worth stating in an actual game..


Its even funnier when someone comes on and touts anything in AoC as an accomplishment.

Its almost as funny as hearing someone say they owned in UO, but they only played after Tram was created.

[Suitepee]

Its even funnier when someone comes on and touts anything in AoC as an accomplishment.

Its almost as funny as hearing someone say they owned in UO, but they only played after Tram was created.

Seconded.

[spike47]

I'm sorry I respect you guys alot but I see this as a recruitment thread.

[Red Morgan]

Pffft... we built like a Tier 7 keep on Skullfucker. Only noobs don't play on Skullfucker.

[Surly]

I'm a whiz at skullfucker, boy howdy.

[Suitepee]

I'm a whiz at skullfucker, boy howdy.

Holy shit; Surly reveals his 12k post count! You post count whore you!

[Lorthral]

Holy shit; Surly reveals his 12k post count! You post count whore you!


:ohno:

Oh no!

[Ronoc]

Holy shit; Surly reveals his 12k post count! You post count whore you!

Sweet Jesus...

[Slaker]

I just don't like AOC, and the MMO at the moments sucks.

I rather play FPS games, than wasting my cash on useless piece of trash like AOC.

[Nehemia]

So My question is....

What has your Darkfall guild accomplished that proves you have the perseverance and teamwork necesarry to win?

You're basicly forcing us to strech our e-peen?

[Amaryl]

and what do you think it will take to build a city in Darkfall?..What did it take to build ten cities in SB..

We did better than ten cities in SB we held half a continent. There were cities Covering the Entire mourning sever in every possible place you could plant, accept the eastern desert where there was one large city and few satellites wearing our crest, and nothing but empty space. Anyone who planted there was burned.

Building a Tier 3 Keep in AoC shows teamwork and perseverance, the massive amount of resources gathered in a PVP zone shared by two other guilds does show the ability to hold Territory, although not as much as SB Did.

I just laugh when people reply to this thread with one liners about not playing AoC, because it just proves to me that they havent accomplished anything worth stating in an actual game..

What I was trying to point, with the one-liner, little dimwitted numnuts is this simple thing.

what makes you think that creating a T3 city in a game like AoC is any indication on the perseverance and teamwork needed for DF? it's exactly the same as saying; we had the perseverance and the teamwork to not get our clan to pay for a crap game, so we will certainly own in DF!

stop waving your e-peen about stuff nobody could give the diseases infected pimple on a rats ass about. We simply don't care. If you wish to hold vague reminders of your uber leet skills have fun with the illusion, I'll just laugh at you just like I would to naked people in the streets who are waving their dicks in the wind. since if everything goes right, you'll still not be in my arms tonight.

[Jonkar]

What I was trying to point, with the one-liner, little dimwitted numnuts is this simple thing.

what makes you think that creating a T3 city in a game like AoC is any indication on the perseverance and teamwork needed for DF? it's exactly the same as saying; we had the perseverance and the teamwork to not get our clan to pay for a crap game, so we will certainly own in DF!

stop waving your e-peen about stuff nobody could give the diseases infected pimple on a rats ass about. We simply don't care. If you wish to hold vague reminders of your uber leet skills have fun with the illusion, I'll just laugh at you just like I would to naked people in the streets who are waving their dicks in the wind. since if everything goes right, you'll still not be in my arms tonight.

You are the best diplomatic officer a mercenary clan could wish for! :D

[PrimalSign]

we had the perseverance and the teamwork to not get our clan to pay for a crap game, so we will certainly own in DF!

Are you seriously comparing you doing nothing with coordinating a guild's resource build-up?

I hope you didn't!

People are taking the whole "Darkfall will be a different game!" thing too far. The fact is, even WoW raiding guilds have proven themselves capable, more so than most vaporclans trying to make a name for themselves on Forumfall.

Getting your clan together and organizing them to simply 'do shit' is the most basic requirement for a clan's success. If you can't mobilize to accomplish goals, you'll never be a contender. Ever.

[Red Morgan]

I'm a firm believer that your reputation should always proceed the threads you make about yourself.

[PrimalSign]

I'm a firm believer that your reputation should always proceed the threads you make about yourself.

"I am Genghis Khan! I have slaughtered hundred of thousands in my conquest of both Asia and now Europe. When my army moves it is like thunder rolling across the plain. Our bloodthirsty howls have turned men into children who cower in the corner, wishing their mothers still lived so they could garner the smallest of comforts before their horrible demise."

"I would like to discuss the matter of universal banks and why I think they're bad for Darkfall..."

[Fro]

Redemption recently built its Tier Three Keep on Deathwhisper in Age of Conan to join the Ranks of guilds like

Lords of the Dead
The Regulators
Sinister
PRX-CQ
Goons
Combine
DDH

These are all organizations that have proved for years that they can get things accomplished and work together. And they all raised Tier three keeps on Deathwhisper to fight among all the other hardcore mmorg PVP guilds.

So My question is....

What has your Darkfall guild accomplished that proves you have the perseverance and teamwork necesarry to win?

I think you desearve some respect for that but only because you managed to keep playing AoC which from what i hear is a crappy game of epic perportions.

[Kietharr]

This one time in swg I killed a dwarf nuna. I think I will be a top pvper.

In all seriousness, my amazing dwarf nuna kill is probably about as relevant to darkfall skill as all of your leet pvping in AoC is.

[PaleOne]

Are you seriously comparing you doing nothing with coordinating a guild's resource build-up?

I hope you didn't!

People are taking the whole "Darkfall will be a different game!" thing too far. The fact is, even WoW raiding guilds have proven themselves capable, more so than most vaporclans trying to make a name for themselves on Forumfall.

Getting your clan together and organizing them to simply 'do shit' is the most basic requirement for a clan's success. If you can't mobilize to accomplish goals, you'll never be a contender. Ever.

Amen..

I just love how some people think that visiting this website daily and talking trash in multiple threads qualifies them to call themselves a "Gaming guild"

[Fro]

I pwned the shit out of a lot of newbs on forumfall.

I think surly just won. Again.

[Nehemia]

Amen..

I just love how some people think that visiting this website daily and talking trash in multiple threads qualifies them to call themselves a "Gaming guild"

I just love how some people think that visiting this website daily and posting bragging in multiple own made threads qualifies them to call themselves a "Considerable force in Darkfall."

[Battle]

Not to brag or anything, but SoTA and our subguilds pretty much pwn forumfall. Matriel could take on OT by himself.

[kehmesis]

So My question is....

What has your Darkfall guild accomplished that proves you have the perseverance and teamwork necesarry to win?

Skip AoC.

[Fro]

Not to brag or anything, but SoTA and our subguilds pretty much pwn forumfall. Matriel could take on OT by himself.

I was going to try to argue against this but then i realised that its impossilbe to refute this.

[shnedit]

Not to brag or anything, but SoTA and our subguilds pretty much pwn forumfall. Matriel could take on OT by himself.

With one hand behind his back!

[Amaryl]

Are you seriously comparing you doing nothing with coordinating a guild's resource build-up?

I hope you didn't!
Indeed I didn't, but the fact that you're asking makes me wonder about something... hmm...


People are taking the whole "Darkfall will be a different game!" thing too far. The fact is, even WoW raiding guilds have proven themselves capable, more so than most vaporclans trying to make a name for themselves on Forumfall.

Getting your clan together and organizing them to simply 'do shit' is the most basic requirement for a clan's success. If you can't mobilize to accomplish goals, you'll never be a contender. Ever.

Why are you stating boring things that everyone should already know? However being able to organise and getting your clans together has nothing to do with going on an other game's forum, post that you created an T3 city, and then casually explaining that you're going to "Pwn" in DF as a natural result of it.

it has nothing to do with organisation or getting your clan to do something. or this game is an entire game al together philosophy. Maybe one day you'll understand when the game starts. that premade longstanding gaming clans, or "vapor clans' or whatever means absolutely nothing in the end, uintil the game starts and the unkown becomes known.
with that, you don't need to post with every reply what you did or didn't do, which game you owned, what you did in this game or that, that's just projecting your own insecurity.

IF you are good at something, if you know how to do something, then simply do it, and don't spend your time confirming with the outside community if you actually are able to achieve or have achieved those things. the good clans/guilds do, the pompous idiots will just talk about their one time achievement over and over again.

[Fro]

With one hand behind his back!

And the other playing with his nuts.

[Surface]

I didn't play AoC for more than five minutes, but I'm guessing that half the clans with their members in this thread flaming Paleone wouldn't be able to come close to building a T3 or whatever battlekeep in AoC, even if they did have the appropriate numbers.

As someone else said, even being in a successful raiding guild in WoW takes teamwork and some sort of talent/knowledge between a clan, the same as I'm guessing it does to build a battlekeep in AoC. If you think that building a city in DF isn't going to take a lot of the same elements as it does to make a keep in AoC, you're kidding yourself.

[VidarDf]

"you either discover a star or you don't....you arrogant punk"

[ketamine]

All these people will be whining when they get run over by coordinated zerg guilds.

[Red Morgan]

IF you are good at something, if you know how to do something, then simply do it, and don't spend your time confirming with the outside community if you actually are able to achieve or have achieved those things. the good clans/guilds do, the pompous idiots will just talk about their one time achievement over and over again.

This is quite an impressive little kernel of wisdom. I couldn't agree more.

Though, I wouldn't be quite so hard on Pale. He's a pretty decent guy for the most part, and I think he wishes the time he wasted in AoC actually amounted to something that made it worthwhile. Hence, this sad cry for help.

[Prox]

"/wrists" is usually seen as a better mmo option to l2

Well I don' usually take advice from emos sorry, it sounds like a silly game anyway :rolleyes:

[PrimalSign]

Why are you stating boring things that everyone should already know?

Because I've heard too many times from people who don't. If you weren't seriously comparing no-action with action then I guess that's that!

However being able to organise and getting your clans together has nothing to do with going on an other game's forum, post that you created an T3 city, and then casually explaining that you're going to "Pwn" in DF as a natural result of it.

No, it doesn't have anything to do with going to another game's forum and talking smack. I think the title of the thread included "Prove you can work together". See, when you combine "You think you will dominate?", with the second part, the target of the message becomes rather specific.

I thought it was quite clear he meant clans who were bragging about their strength without any proof to their claims. Unless you think he was saying something else?

I admit I might have an incomplete understanding since I've only skimmed the thread.

[sorros]

Holy shit; Surly reveals his 12k post count! You post count whore you!

:eek: 12k posts????? what is this? THE TRUTH IS BLINDING

[sorros]

Indeed I didn't, but the fact that you're asking makes me wonder about something... hmm...



Why are you stating boring things that everyone should already know? However being able to organise and getting your clans together has nothing to do with going on an other game's forum, post that you created an T3 city, and then casually explaining that you're going to "Pwn" in DF as a natural result of it.

it has nothing to do with organisation or getting your clan to do something. or this game is an entire game al together philosophy. Maybe one day you'll understand when the game starts. that premade longstanding gaming clans, or "vapor clans' or whatever means absolutely nothing in the end, uintil the game starts and the unkown becomes known.
with that, you don't need to post with every reply what you did or didn't do, which game you owned, what you did in this game or that, that's just projecting your own insecurity.

IF you are good at something, if you know how to do something, then simply do it, and don't spend your time confirming with the outside community if you actually are able to achieve or have achieved those things. the good clans/guilds do, the pompous idiots will just talk about their one time achievement over and over again.

this.

and for the


"As someone else said, even being in a successful raiding guild in WoW takes teamwork and some sort of talent/knowledge between a clan, the same as I'm guessing it does to build a battlekeep in AoC. If you think that building a city in DF isn't going to take a lot of the same elements as it does to make a keep in AoC, you're kidding yourself."

wrong. Raiding is easy as hell in WoW. it just requires to A) look up a guide on the web B) have the gear/class/spec and C) follow the guide. the whole damn game is easy now.

[Jou]

B@D, FoE, QFT, and LoD. All wtf pwn those clans, and have accomplished more in their respective games than those clans ever have or will.

lol, I really hope that is sarcasm.

[Vallion]

Cities will come and go, alliances will rise and fall, nothing lasts and nobody 'dominates' permanently. A reputation worthy of respect is far more satisfying than the outcome of any battle or seige. The methods you're prepared to employ to acheive your goals are at least as important as whether or not you actually acheive those goals. On a more individual level, I don't see how anyone who joins a large clan for the sole purpose 'winning' can possibly hold their head up yet alone post smack on a game forum. Unless you're in a leadership position do you really think anything you do in a clan of 500+ people makes a lick of difference? In my humble opinion the zerg mentality on this forum is shameful.

[Thorpeyrox]

this.

and for the


"As someone else said, even being in a successful raiding guild in WoW takes teamwork and some sort of talent/knowledge between a clan, the same as I'm guessing it does to build a battlekeep in AoC. If you think that building a city in DF isn't going to take a lot of the same elements as it does to make a keep in AoC, you're kidding yourself."

wrong. Raiding is easy as hell in WoW. it just requires to A) look up a guide on the web B) have the gear/class/spec and C) follow the guide. the whole damn game is easy now.

This person hasn't done any end-gaming in WoW so just ignore him. ;)
That would be like me telling you what to do in UO even though I havn't even played it.

[sorros]

This person hasn't done any end-gaming in WoW so just ignore him. ;)
That would be like me telling you what to do in UO even though I havn't even played it.

:p

i know servers that have guilds SELLING sunwell loot, it cant be that hard...i was a PvP warrior, with the "PvP welfare epics!!!" but ive gone up to gruuls and could have gone TK, but i quit before going...its really not that hard, so many people nowadays just type up guides on how to do it and what you need, and BOOM everyone is in SSC--Hyjal.

[Theodoric]

:p

i know servers that have guilds SELLING sunwell loot, it cant be that hard...i was a PvP warrior, with the "PvP welfare epics!!!" but ive gone up to gruuls and could have gone TK, but i quit before going...its really not that hard, so many people nowadays just type up guides on how to do it and what you need, and BOOM everyone is in SSC--Hyjal.

QFT.

[sorros]

QFT.

and which of the following do you mean good sir?
:p

QFT Qualified Funeral Trust
QFT Quality Face Time
QFT Quantitative Feedback Theory
QFT Quantitative Fluorescence Technique
QFT Quantum Field Theory
QFT Quantum Fourier Transform
QFT Quest For Tech, Inc.
QFT Quit Freaking Talking (polite form)
QFT Quite Freaking True (polite form)
QFT Quoted For Truth (website; slang)

:ninja:

[Stormsblade]

"I'm cool, I built something in AOC. My guild is better than yours. Show me your epeen. I bet its smaller."


Fixed.

[Surface]

this.

and for the


"As someone else said, even being in a successful raiding guild in WoW takes teamwork and some sort of talent/knowledge between a clan, the same as I'm guessing it does to build a battlekeep in AoC. If you think that building a city in DF isn't going to take a lot of the same elements as it does to make a keep in AoC, you're kidding yourself."

wrong. Raiding is easy as hell in WoW. it just requires to A) look up a guide on the web B) have the gear/class/spec and C) follow the guide. the whole damn game is easy now.

Wrong. WoW does take something that some people would refer to as 'skill', while other people like 'UO vets' and people jumping on the bandwagon just flame it. Obviously it does not take the same sort of skill that a games like FPS's do or DF will, but end game raiding does take coordination, teamwork, knowledge of the game, and even ability to adapt. At least it did when I played WoW at level 60. I would label all of those as a kind of 'skill'.

[PaleOne]

Fixed.


So Stormsblade, Your guild hasnt done anything since attempting to play D&L? kk Noted..:)

http://news.mmosite.com/data/g/u/2005/12/30/2103732095.html

[Dark Necron]

They're a surprisingly cohesive zerg, as they are tied together by bonds of common culture & memetics. Making them do anything is like herding ADD-riddled kittens, but they are surprisingly faithful to their concept of Goondom.

rofl

[Goz]

Making thousands of comments in this forum is not a bad thing. It lets the developers know that there are people out there that are fanatical about the concepts that they propose to unleash with the release of DF. If there were no posts, Adventurine would have a hard time getting people interested in helping to push their game into publication.

Guild accomplishments while waiting for DF are also good. WoW, AoC, WAR, and other games where the guild can strive to accomplish things only helps to get the guild working together and developing its comraderie amongst its guild membership.

Talking about it in the forums, making claims on how well something was done in another game may or maynot be a bad thing. Its definitely not an important thing. Tis more important to have that guild running on all cylinders when DF releases than to talk about the glorious things that were done in a different game. When DF releases, the guild accomplishments can be based on something real, and still they don't need to be talked about by the guild, since if you become powerful, others will talk about you for you.

One question though, since I know nothing about AoC, is it possible to attack and destroy a T3 structure? If so, I guess the bigger question would be how many T3 Structures have you destroyed, since that would show teamwork in fighting and conquering.

For those guilds in WoW, yes, its PvE with PvP as an afterthought, but the question would be how often have you killed all the major city bosses on their "PvP" type server? Since that would show that you can conquer an objective with the other side able to try to stop you from doing it, vs retrying again and again until victory, strategies to kill an NPC which may have lots of features, but will never match the unpredictability of fighting masses of other players.

So yes, congratulations on T3 building, and congrats to all guilds that are wanting to go into DF that have in the mean time made accomplishments in other MMOs. The true test will be when DF releases, and the fur begins to fly.

[sorros]

Wrong. WoW does take something that some people would refer to as 'skill', while other people like 'UO vets' and people jumping on the bandwagon just flame it. Obviously it does not take the same sort of skill that a games like FPS's do or DF will, but end game raiding does take coordination, teamwork, knowledge of the game, and even ability to adapt. At least it did when I played WoW at level 60. I would label all of those as a kind of 'skill'.

at level 60...pre-BC...those did require skill, or at least some. im not jumping on teh bandwagon--i played pre-BC, seen some Ony and MC raids, etc, and a few months ago i had the OP 70 warrior with full epics (ZOMG, its so hard, amirite?). its gotten far worse, no skill involved. epics used to mean something, now they dont. blizztard screws around with lore to screw more gameplay up, they can never balance classes correctly, and the game is unbelievably easy.

and as i said, it doesnt take much knowledge of the game...just look up a guide, like almost every guild does nowadays.

[Caffy]

B@D, FoE, QFT, and LoD. All wtf pwn those clans, and have accomplished more in their respective games than those clans ever have or will.

Most guilds who are well known were just massive server zergs that could field more than everybody else. In some cases more than everyone else combined.

I was pretty dissapointed in QFT to be honest. When I played on Mourning in 06 every other thread on the forum was about how awesome they were and praying for somebody to save the server from them. But in reality all they did was zerg newb guilds like Dragonscale and get pwned by FTP. Well they did cry and exploit alot, but that's beside the point.