People ARE ready.

[Jester814]

I keep seeing comments around here about how carebarish MMO players are and how noone wants an open PvP world.

Well as terrible as the AoC launch was for an MMO, it SOLD. It was on every top seller list I saw for weeks after launch, even though it was terrible. What this says to me is that MMOers are ready for an open PvP world. It's what a lot of us want and are ready for. AoC just couldn't get a good launch going.

[Deja vu]

I keep seeing comments around here about how carebarish MMO players are and how noone wants an open PvP world.

Well as terrible as the AoC launch was for an MMO, it SOLD. It was on every top seller list I saw for weeks after launch, even though it was terrible. What this says to me is that MMOers are ready for an open PvP world. It's what a lot of us want and are ready for. AoC just couldn't get a good launch going.

I agree the players are ready for a good PvP MMO.

[Jonkar]

I keep seeing comments around here about how carebarish MMO players are and how noone wants an open PvP world.

Well as terrible as the AoC launch was for an MMO, it SOLD. It was on every top seller list I saw for weeks after launch, even though it was terrible. What this says to me is that MMOers are ready for an open PvP world. It's what a lot of us want and are ready for. AoC just sucks.

QFT now that I fixed it.

[coder1024]

no, AoC had a relatively smooth launch. they managed to fix some really nasty performance bugs right at the end of beta and so at launch (even early access) the game worked fairly smoothly.

the problem with AoC was that as people leveled up and got towards the end game, they realized there was nothing there. FunCom didn't deliver on what they hyped and people got to 80, got bored, and quit.

[Forgin]

you have a point here, the mass succes of AoC launch (lasted for 2 days lulz) showed that there are many people who want Open world PVP and a better combat system, add full loot and w00t: perfection!

AoC fails big time

[Thoric]

It's sad how people fell for AoC and then went to Darkfall's forums at mmorpg.com to repair their e-peen and feel like MMO scam know-it-alls.

[Beeblebrox]

They better be ready because I'm gonna spank them with a purple dildo if they're not.

[salbrismind]

Most people say MMO players don't want an open game is because they really don't. Aoc was NOT open, not even close. Why is Wow so popular? It's farther than aoc to being open and yet everyone likes it.

Most mmo players don't want there perfectly easy pve bullshit to be ruined.

[Milo Hobgoblin]

Ya they are ready..

right up until they are killed the first time and lost ALL their shit.. I can promise you than util that happens no one know if the general MMO populace is ready.

If replacing your gear isnt as easy as they are implyng.. DF may have a tough go as people will stand around begging for new shit because they lost it all after getting rolled 3 or 4 times. Eventually they will get bored and leave.

Dont get me wrong.. Im all for full loot.. open PvP and all the joy that results from it.. but I think your mistaken that there are as many people as you beleive who will enjoy it for too long.

[Forgin]

Ya they are ready..

right up until they are killed the first time and lost ALL their shit.. I can promise you than util that happens no one know if the general MMO populace is ready.

If replacing your gear isnt as easy as they are implyng.. DF may have a tough go as people will stand around begging for new shit because they lost it all after getting rolled 3 or 4 times. Eventually they will get bored and leave.

Dont get me wrong.. Im all for full loot.. open PvP and all the joy that results from it.. but I think your mistaken that there are as many people as you beleive who will enjoy it for too long.

What makes you think we want people who will beg for gear to play Darkfall?
They can go back to WoW

[Lo_k'Mir]

Population is always ready for a hopefully great MMO like this.
I hope begging is in ;), but it's definitely not my skill, only to play around a bit.

[Milo Hobgoblin]

What makes you think we want people who will beg for gear to play Darkfall?
They can go back to WoW

Because its a new MMO .. and because they were avid PvPrs in WoW, DAoC, and every other game.. they will assume they are ready for the very hardcore nature of PvP in DF.

They probably will go back to WoW after a while.. but you have to admit.. the majority of current MMO players are the kind who are going to beg and whine... and they will come to DF.

[Sylvana]

Personally I don't think WoW is popular only because of the restricted PvP system. That may be part of it, but the main things WoW has over other MMOs at the moment are stability, content and (probably because of the other two) population. I play because my friends play, but for me it's been a "meh" kind of game since the start. Realism is not there at all.

Maybe this is ancient history to a lot of gamers, but once upon a time UO had full loot and open PvP as well... It's not a brand new concept. Granted full loot in conjunction with large scale battles is new, but the loot rules in themselves are not.

As for me, I am definitely ready for more realism. It is possible to be a smart Carebear. You learn what is essential to carry and what isn't, you learn which areas are safe(r) and which aren't. Full loot is GREAT for crafters ;) Throw in item decay too and I'm going to have more business than I can handle.

That being said, I think the influx of beggars is inevitable. I'll just do what I did back in UO. Hand them a shovel and tell them to mine their own gold.

[d_arcturus]

Ya they are ready..

right up until they are killed the first time and lost ALL their shit.. I can promise you than util that happens no one know if the general MMO populace is ready.

If replacing your gear isnt as easy as they are implyng.. DF may have a tough go as people will stand around begging for new shit because they lost it all after getting rolled 3 or 4 times. Eventually they will get bored and leave.

Dont get me wrong.. Im all for full loot.. open PvP and all the joy that results from it.. but I think your mistaken that there are as many people as you beleive who will enjoy it for too long.

I agree with this. Not only that but AoC had boobs which probably got all of the horny 12 year olds. And AoC had PvE servers that had more limited PvP zones, theres nothing about the distribution between server types.

[IcePillow]

Personally I don't think WoW is popular only because of the restricted PvP system. That may be part of it, but the main things WoW has over other MMOs at the moment are stability, content and (probably because of the other two) population. I play because my friends play, but for me it's been a "meh" kind of game since the start. Realism is not there at all.

Maybe this is ancient history to a lot of gamers, but once upon a time UO had full loot and open PvP as well... It's not a brand new concept. Granted full loot in conjunction with large scale battles is new, but the loot rules in themselves are not.

As for me, I am definitely ready for more realism. It is possible to be a smart Carebear. You learn what is essential to carry and what isn't, you learn which areas are safe(r) and which aren't. Full loot is GREAT for crafters ;) Throw in item decay too and I'm going to have more business than I can handle.

That being said, I think the influx of beggars is inevitable. I'll just do what I did back in UO. Hand them a shovel and tell them to mine their own gold.

WoW is popular because it has something almost everyone likes.

[shackal]

I wouldn’t worry about baggers in DFO. From what I read we will be entitle to cut them down. I know I will, if I see some carebear begging for gold or item.

[Serafina]

And AoC was launched... well... a year too soon. But other than the lack of content, extreme class imbalance, and bugged gaming atmosphere the game was good... in general.

AoC stands for Age of Conan, also known as WoW 2.0.

[robtb]

most people do not want an open pvp mmo. Darkfall is a niche product and hopefully will always be. EvE is the strongest example of this. The last stats released show 75-80% of the active population to be living in the 20% of eve space policed by npc's. Even EvE is introducing more and more features catering to the npc-policed world players (read up on EvE the Empyrean Age)

AoC was to be the next WoW. WoW appeals to casual and hardcore players both pve and pvp alike. In doing so all features are watered down, but appealing enough to attract customers. AoC is going to be a faster paced combat system applied to equally better pvp and pve, but watered down enough to appeal to all players.

Since this is the formula for massive profit games will continue to try to appeal to pvp and pve players equally for the next while (Warhammer wont be the end) unless Darkfall shows how profitable niche products can be.

[RayK]

Uh. People have been ready, since the first mainstream MMO was an open PvP world.

[Mr.LichTwitch]

I R ready!!

[Smithy021]

i agree UO had the Mold.. EQ Had a good mold DAOC had a good Mold EVerythign since then has taken a bit from each and either screwed it up ten folds or made it better but nothing has took the best for each and Made added to them (hopefully) and made a good game

[Nacholicus]

Some are, most aren't. There are people who play games and expect to enjoy every minute of it, and there are people who play games that are challenging but can be frustrating at times. I'd say the former is much more common, but there's still a good market for the "hardcore" people.
I'll link a fairly common UO occurence: house loss
A house in UO (in the good days) was weeks of work for the newer player. You could be murdered and your house key/recall rune taken, or either one could be stolen. It allowed full access to your house. In addition to being looted, you couldn't use the house again because someone else still had the means to enter it. A lot of people don't have the desire to go on, knowing it is fairly likely it will eventually happen again. Personally, I think for the highs to be great, the lows must be terrible.


I really wish UO was the game companies copied, and not EQ. Oh how I miss thee, Minoc.

[Wreatch]

The irony:

I find it extremely ironic that the FIRST mmo(ok not the first but the first for sake of argument) had the BEST systems in most folks' eyes that i know.

Richard Garriott, if your out there, here the pvper plea, make us UO2 for the love of god. This man is a genius and way ahead of his time.

Every real pvper I know, and most of us here would agree, that uo had the best systems in place, for not only pvp, but for sandbox gameplay. Why no game developer has copied this is a mystery to me.

Yes i know eq came out and obliterated all records/wow next yada yada.

I have to believe however that if uo were released in 3d, with servers without trammel and servers with trammel to appeal to all players, it would still be hugely popular, pre-UOR of course.

[Wreatch]

Some are, most aren't. There are people who play games and expect to enjoy every minute of it, and there are people who play games that are challenging but can be frustrating at times. I'd say the former is much more common, but there's still a good market for the "hardcore" people.
I'll link a fairly common UO occurence: house loss
A house in UO (in the good days) was weeks of work for the newer player. You could be murdered and your house key/recall rune taken, or either one could be stolen. It allowed full access to your house. In addition to being looted, you couldn't use the house again because someone else still had the means to enter it. A lot of people don't have the desire to go on, knowing it is fairly likely it will eventually happen again. Personally, I think for the highs to be great, the lows must be terrible.


I really wish UO was the game companies copied, and not EQ. Oh how I miss thee, Minoc.

THIS is the best thing ever. Oh how I wish things like this could still occur in todays games. In years of yore, you were smart, or you were fucked. Simple.

[Jargo]

most people do not want an open pvp mmo.

When AOC launched the pvp servers out populated the pve servers. People are starving for an open pvp game, the right one just needs to come along to tap into that market. (One that doesn’t suck that is.)

Also, I think that a lot of the gamers who came into the mmo genre via the WOW bandwagon will be looking for a more mature mmo now that they’re a bit more grown up. While the other major current and upcoming mmo’s are basically the same fucking game Darkfall is the only one offering true innovation and a unique gaming experience. While it wont be the next WOW, (and lets face it, nothing will) I think DF will be bigger than a lot of people think.

[Eskareon]

I don't want the mainstream mass of gamers to be interested in Darkfall. Regardless how hardcore Darkfall starts out, the prospect of sales can and will cause the game to become watered down if enough of the customer base cries out for it.

I'd rather Darkfall appeal to the real gamers, the people who enjoy a challenge and don't see games as mere entertainment; i.e., "every second I play this game, I should be enjoying it, and any deviance from enjoyment is inexcusable." If the mainstream MMO gamers flock to Darkfall and stay for too long, the game will degenerate.

[Morthor]

I don't want the mainstream mass of gamers to be interested in Darkfall. Regardless how hardcore Darkfall starts out, the prospect of sales can and will cause the game to become watered down if enough of the customer base cries out for it.

I'd rather Darkfall appeal to the real gamers, the people who enjoy a challenge and don't see games as mere entertainment; i.e., "every second I play this game, I should be enjoying it, and any deviance from enjoyment is inexcusable." If the mainstream MMO gamers flock to Darkfall and stay for too long, the game will degenerate.

Which is why its up to the 'real gamers' to pk the shit out of them right?

[Xzi]

AoC didn't sell because it had open PvP servers, though. It sold because it was overhyped by its own devs. Same reason any shitty MMO sells more than a thousand copies. /Thread.

[Oo_]

That being said, I think the influx of beggars is inevitable. I'll just do what I did back in UO. Hand them a shovel and tell them to mine their own gold.

Free shovels! Oh yeah!



(and sorry about the on-topic, but I kind of agree with the OP)

[skatenike]

I don't want the mainstream mass of gamers to be interested in Darkfall. Regardless how hardcore Darkfall starts out, the prospect of sales can and will cause the game to become watered down if enough of the customer base cries out for it.

I'd rather Darkfall appeal to the real gamers, the people who enjoy a challenge and don't see games as mere entertainment; i.e., "every second I play this game, I should be enjoying it, and any deviance from enjoyment is inexcusable." If the mainstream MMO gamers flock to Darkfall and stay for too long, the game will degenerate.

in any other game i would agree but we already know that this game is built by gamers and they know that the game is more important than the advertising so that proves that they are focused on making this a game for gamers and i think if it does become a huge success we will see improvements from the new funding but i dont think they will ever change it from being a gamers game just to please the mainstream people

[GRCPan]

When AOC launched the pvp servers out populated the pve servers. People are starving for an open pvp game, the right one just needs to come along to tap into that market. (One that doesn’t suck that is.)

Also, I think that a lot of the gamers who came into the mmo genre via the WOW bandwagon will be looking for a more mature mmo now that they’re a bit more grown up. While the other major current and upcoming mmo’s are basically the same fucking game Darkfall is the only one offering true innovation and a unique gaming experience. While it wont be the next WOW, (and lets face it, nothing will) I think DF will be bigger than a lot of people think.

Yes and because they wanted pvp servers they started whining at the gms for getting killed....

[Jester814]

If crafting/replacing gear in DF is as easy as it was in UO, then there will be no issues.

[Jester814]

Yes and because they wanted pvp servers they started whining at the gms for getting killed....

Getting killed in AoC was no big deal. Respawning in the same spot with only 10% hp and being immediately attackable was. It's a huge flaw that was overlooked up to launch time.

And whoever said that AoC had a successful launch, but no endgame, that's exactly correct. The game is extremely awesome up until about level 40(of 80) when you start realizing the massive class imbalances and utter lack of content.

And nice edit of my OP Jonkar. It was right on.

[Bamboopanda]

They better be ready because I'm gonna spank them with a purple dildo if they're not.

What you just said... combined with that fricking freaky sig face... stuff of nightmares.

[Coverzin]

I keep seeing comments around here about how carebarish MMO players are and how noone wants an open PvP world.

Well as terrible as the AoC launch was for an MMO, it SOLD. It was on every top seller list I saw for weeks after launch, even though it was terrible. What this says to me is that MMOers are ready for an open PvP world. It's what a lot of us want and are ready for. AoC just couldn't get a good launch going.

AoC was on top seller lists because a bunch of 12 year old virgins wanted to see rendered tits on their screen. Don't compare AoC to darkfall or GTFO

[Abbadon]

I agree the players are ready for a good PvP MMO.


has nothing to do with pvp for me. pvp is just a side effect of an open ongoing realistic world.

[skatenike]

has nothing to do with pvp for me. pvp is just a side effect of an open ongoing realistic world.

i think your right the issue is less that were ready for an open pvp game but that were ready for a game with no grinding and more variety than something like wow which is always exactly the same

[Vertisce]

I just came from AoC...frankly it sucks. I made 80 with my ranger and after all the glitches, imbalance issues and everything else going wrong I sold my account to a guildie that wanted it. Now...the graphics are great. Visually the game is stunning and the character models are fantastic...(especially the females) but that doesn't make the game. I bought AoC for the PVP aspect...the same will go with Darkfall when I purchase it. It will be for PVP. In the meantime I think I will be playing EVE and possibly Aion when it releases if DF doesnt come first.

[Realh]

I hope DF stays a small community. I really don't want to see a whole bunch of WOW kids come running to this game. I am looking forword to this game because I am getting tired of all the other watered down games out there. I don't want 50 to 500 thousand babies screaming, begging, and threatening the devs to make the game easier and less dangerous.

We should only want the best of the MMORPG community comming here and everyone else staying there. The one exception to this are those people who may not be the best but they are not beggers either and are willing to learn how to become the best in a hard school. You can't get better if everything is handed to you on a silver plate.

[Vertisce]

I disagree to a point. While we don't want all the kids and whiners around we do want the game to succeed as much as possible meaning we want as many people as possible to play. I am sure thats what any game developer truly wants. Granted with it being a PVP only game I doubt we are going to see a lot of 12 year olds playing but I am not saying there will be none. Look at AoC...completely an adult game and yet it still has kids playing. Granted its not an overbearing amount like in WoW but they are still there.

[Snikers]

I hope DF stays a small community. I really don't want to see a whole bunch of WOW kids come running to this game. I am looking forword to this game because I am getting tired of all the other watered down games out there. I don't want 50 to 500 thousand babies screaming, begging, and threatening the devs to make the game easier and less dangerous.

We should only want the best of the MMORPG community comming here and everyone else staying there. The one exception to this are those people who may not be the best but they are not beggers either and are willing to learn how to become the best in a hard school. You can't get better if everything is handed to you on a silver plate.
Well I don't really agree as after all we do need some reason for ruthless killing right? ;)

[skatenike]

I disagree to a point. While we don't want all the kids and whiners around we do want the game to succeed as much as possible meaning we want as many people as possible to play. I am sure thats what any game developer truly wants. Granted with it being a PVP only game I doubt we are going to see a lot of 12 year olds playing but I am not saying there will be none. Look at AoC...completely an adult game and yet it still has kids playing. Granted its not an overbearing amount like in WoW but they are still there.

i think everyone is wrong to assume 12 year old kids will not like this game cause the ruthless pvp i was 12 three years ago and as far as video games go 12 year olds arent much different than adults....its one of the biggest stereotypes out their

i think kids like pvp alot cause they get to kill people and rub it in

just cause they are 12 doesnt mean theyll suck....actually i think alot of em will be better than most adults cause they can play more and will have more friends to play with which will keep em going

[Vertisce]

I didn't say that. Like I said...just because its an adult game or PVP does not mean there will be NO 12 year olds. It just means there will "probably" be less of them. I use 12 year olds as sort of a general term for anybody old enough to game to about the 15 or 16 year old area. No offense I hope. Heck if you are 15 and can roll with the punches in PVP without being a pain or a whiner then props to ya I say. But I am only 26 myself...now that I am older I see just how much of a pain kids can be for adults in an MMO...and do I really feel sorry for the people that had to deal with ME when I was a teen...lol But...there are always exceptions to the rule.

[skatenike]

I didn't say that. Like I said...just because its an adult game or PVP does not mean there will be NO 12 year olds. It just means there will "probably" be less of them. I use 12 year olds as sort of a general term for anybody old enough to game to about the 15 or 16 year old area. No offense I hope. Heck if you are 15 and can roll with the punches in PVP without being a pain or a whiner then props to ya I say. But I am only 26 myself...now that I am older I see just how much of a pain kids can be for adults in an MMO...and do I really feel sorry for the people that had to deal with ME when I was a teen...lol But...there are always exceptions to the rule.

yeah i know the kind your talking about

the kind that run around get owned cause they were talking trash and start begging in the cities because they are too R-tarded to make money when it takes like 5 mins

those are just the ones you see though... id say half of mmo players are 12-16 based on what ive found playing a few and being in guilds and asking people alot

its just that you wont notice the other 12 year olds cause there actin like everyone else

[Snowed]

We are ready for the PvP mmo :) It will be coming :)

[Rycon]

Many people are looking for a change into the mmo genere.Many people who tried aoc were hoping for large scale battles,new combat system,more profound pve raiding,graphics and more.

Sadly Aoc lacks content and class balance.Still selling over 700k copies shows that there are people who want to get rid of auto attack stuff and move into more "skill full" combat games.

Lets hope darkfall will give us a fresh mmo that we all have been waiting for.

[skatenike]

Many people are looking for a change into the mmo genere.Many people who tried aoc were hoping for large scale battles,new combat system,more profound pve raiding,graphics and more.

Sadly Aoc lacks content and class balance.Still selling over 700k copies shows that there are people who want to get rid of auto attack stuff and move into more "skill full" combat games.

Lets hope darkfall will give us a fresh mmo that we all have been waiting for.


thats what will be really interesting
without classes there wont be class imbalance so they dont have to focus on that and they can get alot more done instead of focusing on stupid people complaing that rogues are OP (they are...and there selfish, no buffs)

[Vertisce]

AoC lacks a lot of things...playability being one of them. Great ideas and a great concept...but it was screwed by the devs on an epic scale. I like the combat system though. It was intuitive and unique thats for sure. I just wish the game was a lot more polished on release. It needs about another 6 months at least. And frankly...im sick of instancing. Thats one of the great draw points in DF for me. Seamless world.

[Hotreb]

People are ready...let's hope Darkfall will be ready too

[RayK]

I really wish UO was the game companies copied, and not EQ. Oh how I miss thee, Minoc.

Guys energy gate the entrance and recall inside to kill the miners. Or release a white wyrm in there. That was always fun to do after Trammel came.

[Slaine]

Not everyone like PvP but it can be fun anyway :idea:

[Aeros]

Oh, it Will be fun, it definitely will be fun...:D

[escarondito]

I keep seeing comments around here about how carebarish MMO players are and how noone wants an open PvP world.

Well as terrible as the AoC launch was for an MMO, it SOLD. It was on every top seller list I saw for weeks after launch, even though it was terrible. What this says to me is that MMOers are ready for an open PvP world. It's what a lot of us want and are ready for. AoC just couldn't get a good launch going.

kanye acts like a fuckin idiot but something he said once makes me think of situations like this. it was during the whole 50 versus kanye same day sales media event and he said somethign like this."most people who listen to me prolly don't even like my music that much, but when their is a saturation of one product that no one finds appealing anymore(gangsta rap) people gotta find something else.so when the next thing comes they'll probably drop me im just filling the space of something new".

WOW type games have saturated the market and people are dying for something new. it's like they've been spending all their money smoking weed(WOW) for a while saw coke and wanted to try it and found it it was bunk(AoC). Come the end of this year their gonna be hit wit straight crack rock(DFO). and they'll never go back to that weak shit again

i mean that's the way it was for me and for everybody i think. just hearing about the features mad eme go "oooooh i wanna try that". for any in rehab sorry for the drug references.:ninja:

[Ragnar Dragonfyre]

Yes, you are right... people are indeed ready for a good PvP MMORPG. Lots of people are tired of the hand holding nature of current MMO's. However, we have WoW to thank for this, which could turn out to be unfortunate.

The people are ready, but are the fans of Darkfall ready for the people?

[Zorkzat]

The people are ready. The game is coming. When the release day comes there will be a universal, yes universal, jubilation where the cheeto covered hands of the world raise in a mighty roar and then hit "Install"

[Aeros]

No, that's a ridiculous statement, we have 80,000+ members on the forums, that is absolutely ridiculous to say people are ready. There are people checking forums on an hourly basis for a video update, and you say that people are ready how dare you!
/sarcasm off :D

[Warhawkz]

Ya they are ready..

right up until they are killed the first time and lost ALL their shit.. I can promise you than util that happens no one know if the general MMO populace is ready.

If replacing your gear isnt as easy as they are implyng.. DF may have a tough go as people will stand around begging for new shit because they lost it all after getting rolled 3 or 4 times. Eventually they will get bored and leave.

Dont get me wrong.. Im all for full loot.. open PvP and all the joy that results from it.. but I think your mistaken that there are as many people as you beleive who will enjoy it for too long.

The beauty in this game is practice makes perfect. If you are getting rolled every time u go out, you don't need to feel like it has to keep happening because they made this arena just for practicing so you can go work on movements and your overall technique. Also, if you join a dependable clan, is shouldn't be very hard to get all that equipment back. Even if u just go to a store, since every item can be made, you are bound to see multiples of the same good weapons and since they will be competing for prices, you will find a good deal.

[auutumn]

I'm ready, just not ready for such a crappy experience as AoC! I'm glad I quit after 2 months of constant frustration. I hope that future MMOs learn from their tragic mistakes!

[Niccoli]

I'm not ready. This year has been too busy to truly enjoy Darkfall anyway. Let's see if we can put it off until next Spring. kkthxbye.

[Nocay]

This Open PvP and full loot seems Great.I just hope DF will be that great as it sounds like :D

[D'Tera]

No, that's a ridiculous statement, we have 80,000+ members on the forums, that is absolutely ridiculous to say people are ready. There are people checking forums on an hourly basis for a video update, and you say that people are ready how dare you!
/sarcasm off :D

Don't forget that there are far more than just 80,000 members waiting to play this game. I've been watching it for some time and only signed up two days ago to show my support. There's no telling how many people are actually holding their breath for Darkfall, but I hope they handle the initial server load better than some other companies. *cough* Sony *cough*

On launch day of Star Wars Galaxies, perhaps some of you remember this, there were so many people trying to log into the game that the Login Server crashed. Ever afterward, at least for several months on, the game suffered from terrible blue screen and crashing issues due to the enormous amount of players on the screen at any given time.

[Aldur]

I'm really looking forward to this format of pvp. I like how you get one character and what you do with him/her will stay with you.

[sorros]

I'm not ready. This year has been too busy to truly enjoy Darkfall anyway. Let's see if we can put it off until next Spring. kkthxbye.

it will anyway, dont worry.

on a serious note, a lot of people are starting to step away from the WoW games, and the auto-target genre of MMOs. i have a ton of buddies from WoW who i told to come and check out DF, and hey were sick of how easy WoW was, and one guy said i was the eleventh person in the past week to tell him. so perhaps only 80k forum accounts, or however many, but there are a lot more than just the forums accounts, i think

[Dandune]

it will anyway, dont worry.

on a serious note, a lot of people are starting to step away from the WoW games, and the auto-target genre of MMOs. i have a ton of buddies from WoW who i told to come and check out DF, and hey were sick of how easy WoW was, and one guy said i was the eleventh person in the past week to tell him. so perhaps only 80k forum accounts, or however many, but there are a lot more than just the forums accounts, i think

I went from "serious" FPS (ET/RTCW) gaming through semi-serious openPvP (L2/Eve) to easy-going gaming (WoW).

I personally don't wait for DF because of some PvP excitement... been there, done that... I just love the whole package they are promising, to have fun in spare time. That is what keeps me waiting for DF, not some childish fantasy about grand achievements in MMORPG.

[Slisk]

I believe that Darkfall will cater well to the PvP AND PvE crowd through excellent game design. If you look at the map you can see how the closer you get to the centre the more of a melting pot the racial factions will become. Given the size of the world I feel that it will be uncommon for enemies to venture deep into your homeland unless they come in great numbers. This means that closer to the heart of your racial lands you'll be relatively safe and free of ganking as a PvEer. The flip side to this will be that closer to the centre and boarder areas will be better resources to collect and mobs to slay meaning that with the increased risk of enemy players comes the increased rewards. People will be able to play a comfortable low risk relatively lower reward game and focus on the PvE/Social aspects as well as taking the more exciting path of Higher risk, higher reward PvP style of play.

[Aeros]

I believe that Darkfall will cater well to the PvP AND PvE crowd through excellent game design. If you look at the map you can see how the closer you get to the centre the more of a melting pot the racial factions will become. Given the size of the world I feel that it will be uncommon for enemies to venture deep into your homeland unless they come in great numbers. This means that closer to the heart of your racial lands you'll be relatively safe and free of ganking as a PvEer. The flip side to this will be that closer to the centre and boarder areas will be better resources to collect and mobs to slay meaning that with the increased risk of enemy players comes the increased rewards. People will be able to play a comfortable low risk relatively lower reward game and focus on the PvE/Social aspects as well as taking the more exciting path of Higher risk, higher reward PvP style of play.

Dude if anyone likes PvE, like really wants to make love to PvE style gaming, they would probably stay away fromt this game, seriously I remember watching youtube trailers and everyone of them bragged about 100% PvP, kill anything, anywhere, anytime... Yes I realize there is PvE element and it is very realistic, the mobs have very well integrated AI I applaud the devs, I was reading about the AI system a while ago, but seriously this game is mostly about people killing other people... PvE.. psssht! Good job making it devs, but we all know that's just a filler for when you can't find people to kill. :D

[skatenike]

Dude if anyone likes PvE, like really wants to make love to PvE style gaming, they would probably stay away fromt this game, seriously I remember watching youtube trailers and everyone of them bragged about 100% PvP, kill anything, anywhere, anytime... Yes I realize there is PvE element and it is very realistic, the mobs have very well integrated AI I applaud the devs, I was reading about the AI system a while ago, but seriously this game is mostly about people killing other people... PvE.. psssht! Good job making it devs, but we all know that's just a filler for when you can't find people to kill. :D

there are ALOT of people who like the pve aspect of the game.....i like both pvp and pve equally in mmos and i am attracted to the pve of this game because it is a complete sandbox and there are tons of areas to explore and try to make money....i will however focus on pvp for this game but im excited for both

[Aeros]

there are ALOT of people who like the pve aspect of the game.....i like both pvp and pve equally in mmos and i am attracted to the pve of this game because it is a complete sandbox and there are tons of areas to explore and try to make money....i will however focus on pvp for this game but im excited for both

Yes they like the pve aspect of the game, but do you think they're getting a full PVP GAME for simply PVE!!!!!! WHY???
I understand the AI is very good, but damn that doesn't make sense at all.

[maskedtears]

Of course people are ready. Why do you think COD4, Halo, Hala 2, and everything else is so popular? People love killing the crap out of other people. Plain and simple. I'm pretty not a huge amount however are going to be hardcore players. But there will be enough people.

[VorpalSpork]

What makes you think we want people who will beg for gear to play Darkfall?
They can go back to WoW

I want them to come to Darkfall. When they ask if they can have a sword I'll tell them "Sure, of course you can have a sword. Here's one." and then stick my sword in them. :lmao: Those people are only annoying in games where you're not allowed to answer them properly.