Computer Help

[Jacen Solo]

Okay, I'm going to build a new computer. But I am a complete noob. I have a budget of about 1000$.

What do I need?
Could you give me some suggestions on what to get. ((I'm looking around newegg but idk what I am supposed to get.))
I need everything except a mouse and keyboard.
I need it for performance in gaming.

Thank you.

[Dronagok]

mine was about 900 and i dont really remember what exactly i bought but i know i got a 9800 geforce and 4 gigs of ram =) get those and your set. The card can be buggy and im away on holiday so i cant test the new drivers to see if they improved the card.

[Jacen Solo]

okay..no one else wants to help :O

[Corpse]

okay..no one else wants to help :O

Depends, do you want help from someone who bought they're pc at walmart
3 years ago?

[Jacen Solo]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131297 - $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115036 - $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227089 - $46
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130370 - $280
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817190016 - $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145213 - $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136144 - $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811166004R - $44
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100007 - $6

Ok is that a good setup? or should I get this card instead http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131113.

Also will all that stuff work together and fit in the case. And is that all I need

[Simmy]

Is it just me or does it seem that every time this guy posts its for computer help?

[Morthor]

If you don't know how to build a computer or have never done it, its probably a good idea not to stress yourself out with it. Go to a shop and get some real help or find someone who will help you.

[IcePillow]

Are you getting a new monitor and speakers aswell?

[Viluin]

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/search.php?searchid=1869914

Eh.

[Jacen Solo]

Are you getting a new monitor and speakers aswell?

no.

Whats wrong with vista? I have heard people say it sucks. And some say it's great. Could you guys give me some pros and cons. Also is this everything I need to build my computer

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131297
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115036
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227089
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145213
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136144
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811166004R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811166004R


and this i'm not sure whether to get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131113 or this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130370

and please make any suggestions you can. Also will all of that work together?

[Centinel]

There's nothing wrong with Vista. Anyone who says it sucks either has never used it or tried to use it when it first came out with 8 year old hardware.

I think Vista is great, and you'd be a fool to go out of your way to put XP on a brand new machine.

[Scully]

Vista Sucks

[Jacen Solo]

Vista Sucks
Why do you think it sucks?

[Jacen Solo]

Okay I need help building my computer...
I have picked out these items..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131297 $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036 $189
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227089 $46
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145213 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144 $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811166004R $44
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007 $6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817190016 $130

Also I don't know whether to get this graphics card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131113 $280
or this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130370 $280

All together that is $970 rounded.

Any suggests are welcome, and is this a good rig? Will all of these items work together? Is there better items that will keep the cost under $1000

((Better Worder and Thanks to everyone who has helped so far))

[Jacen Solo]

Alright now I'm stuck. I am going to get all of that with Nvidia graphics card...

Should I get vista 64 with 4gb of ram or Windows XP with 2gb which will run better?

[Kheiron]

no.

Whats wrong with vista? I have heard people say it sucks. And some say it's great. Could you guys give me some pros and cons.

It's not that different from XP, or really any Windows since '95, in look and general function. However, it is different enough to occasionally make you want to strangle kittens when you try to do something you've done a thousand times in XP but they've moved the fucking buttons around in Vista.

Also, XP is still best performance wise because of it's smaller system reqs.

However, since it's not the current Microsoft OS, XP is destined to become completely obsolete sooner rather then later.

I run both an XP and a Vista machine (new one came with Vista) and I still prefer XP. I know it and it still does everything. Vista is still going through that buggy initiation phase (rotating in MSPaint makes half the pixels disappear sometimes, I mean seriously...MSPAINT!, and that fucking sidebar gadget thing phases in and out of some games, Oblivion for example) and I still can't find anything it does better then XP that will justify the added system reqs.

However, since you're buying a new rig I'm still going to have to suggest Vista. The kinks will get ironed out, to the best of Microsofts ability, and you'll get use to it. Plus, it'll be kept up to date, while XP goes the way of previous Windows versions.

[Spart]

If you are getting 4GB of RAM, go with Vista 64bit. If you are getting 3GB or less, XP 32bit.

[Jacen Solo]

okay thanks...Will my CPU be able to handle Windows Vista 64 Bit?

Also....What Vista 64 Should I get? Home Basic? All I'm going to do really is game.

[Spart]

okay thanks...Will my CPU be able to handle Windows Vista 64 Bit?

Also....What Vista 64 Should I get? Home Basic? All I'm going to do really is game.

I think all CPU's can handle it, I don't know though. I can't check newegg either, as it has decided to not work for me.

[Jacen Solo]

anyone :O

[Kashio]

You don't necessarily need 64-bit. Vista Ultimate 32-bit can handle 4 gigs of RAM flawlessly.
And why not take advantage of DX10?

Also, if you're not sure what you're doing, then don't build up from scratch. Buy a barebones kit (Case, motherboard, processor, RAM, PSU all-in-one).
That way, all you need to worry about is a Video card, Hard Drive, and OS (Maybe a heatsink ... maybe). It will make shit way less complicated, and then you could post which one you want. After that, show us what video card you want, and i'm sure someone will tell you if you can use it or not.

[Jacen Solo]

You don't necessarily need 64-bit. Vista Ultimate 32-bit can handle 4 gigs of RAM flawlessly.
And why not take advantage of DX10?

Also, if you're not sure what you're doing, then don't build up from scratch. Buy a barebones kit (Case, motherboard, processor, RAM, PSU all-in-one).
That way, all you need to worry about is a Video card, Hard Drive, and OS (Maybe a heatsink ... maybe). It will make shit way less complicated, and then you could post which one you want. After that, show us what video card you want, and i'm sure someone will tell you if you can use it or not.
Well I know what I want it's all of this below.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131297 $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036 $189
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227089 $46
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145213 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144 $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811166004R $44
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007 $6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817190016 $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130370 $280
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488 $110

I'm going to get 4gb of ram and Windows Home Premium 64 Bit because it cost the same as 32 bit. I think that is a good rig. I'm pretty sure that is all I need and I'm all set. It costs me more than I hoped. about $1100 Because I forgot about the OS but that is okay.

I just want to make sure everything will work together and work fine.

[Spart]

You don't necessarily need 64-bit. Vista Ultimate 32-bit can handle 4 gigs of RAM flawlessly.
And why not take advantage of DX10?

Also, if you're not sure what you're doing, then don't build up from scratch. Buy a barebones kit (Case, motherboard, processor, RAM, PSU all-in-one).
That way, all you need to worry about is a Video card, Hard Drive, and OS (Maybe a heatsink ... maybe). It will make shit way less complicated, and then you could post which one you want. After that, show us what video card you want, and i'm sure someone will tell you if you can use it or not.

What kind of advice is that?

32bit can recognise up to 3.5GB of RAM, but this is reduced with more cards added. Also a barebones kit is bad, not customisable enough, plus if you just put all that together yourself, it would likely be cheaper.

[Viluin]

Well I know what I want it's all of this below.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131297 $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036 $189
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227089 $46
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145213 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144 $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811166004R $44
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007 $6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817190016 $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130370 $280
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488 $110

I'm going to get 4gb of ram and Windows Home Premium 64 Bit because it cost the same as 32 bit. I think that is a good rig. I'm pretty sure that is all I need and I'm all set. It costs me more than I hoped. about $1100 Because I forgot about the OS but that is okay.

I just want to make sure everything will work together and work fine.

I'd highly recommend getting a HD4870 instead of a GTX 260. It's faster. The HD4870 even beats the GTX 280 in a couple of games. And get a different power supply.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131113

[Jacen Solo]

I'd highly recommend getting a HD4870 instead of a GTX 260. It's faster. The HD4870 even beats the GTX 280 in a couple of games. And get a different power supply.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131113

What Power Supply? I really have no clue what is compatible with what etc. I'm just researching best I can. but I don't understand this stuff :/

[mannicool123]

I'd highly recommend getting a HD4870 instead of a GTX 260. It's faster. The HD4870 even beats the GTX 280 in a couple of games.

I agree with this btw, nice investment.

On the Vista note you will need 4gb just to run the darn thing but you said the PC will be used for gaming. Sooner or later (i hope) games will be developed using direct10x which won't be supported on XP (how nice of 'them').

On a side note, I know nothing about Intel sockets as i hate the things but make sure the socket will be in use for some time (AM2 over 939).

P.S, Did'nt actually see this on your PSU till now.
Aparently the 12v rail that carries power to your GFX card, doesn't give out the whole 12 volts, instead it only gives out 4.93 volts, which is very LOW! This creates problems in every game you play, doesn't matter if it's old or next-gen game, the lack of power to the GFX card will make your screen black out with all controls (gamepad, keyboard, mouse) unresponsive within 5 seconds to 45 minutes of gameplay!

[alfaroverall]

On the vista point: as of now, vista provides pretty much no benefit overall. It is much more stressful on the computer than XP is. Its one nice feature is its search bar built into the start menu that actually works pretty damn fast, and finds what you're looking for. It also has DX10, which is currently useless for all games except things like Crysis, but will be necessary soon enough :bang:

My basic suggestion (which is reminiscent of what I'm planning to build soon, although not the same)
Cannibalize your current HD and CD drives
Get a Radeon HD4850
Get a decent C2D or AMD X2 (for gaming the processor is rarely the bottleneck honestly. This should be socket AM2, not Socket 939, so you can use a mobo that can use DDR2 RAM (just learned this the other day, heh)).
Get 3 GB of DDR2 RAM (maybe 4 or 6 if you're getting vista 64, though nothing will likely consume that much RAM)
Get a mobo that can fit it all (don't scrimp on this; don't worry too much about the mobo being SLI or Crossfire ready, but don't get a cheapass mobo either)
Get a PSU that can take all that (don't scrimp on this or you will fuck yourself)
Cannibalize your current case if everything will fit

If you have some money left over, upgrade your graphics card first (an HD4870 might be your best bet if you have extra money), then I'd say your processor (since the RAM is basically as good as it can be)

[Kashio]

What kind of advice is that?

32bit can recognise up to 3.5GB of RAM, but this is reduced with more cards added. Also a barebones kit is bad, not customisable enough, plus if you just put all that together yourself, it would likely be cheaper.

- Not true.
32-bit is limited to 4,096 megabytes of virtual address space on a 32-bit operating systems - so the RAM is not wasted, just used for MMIOR - completely independent of the OS running on the machine.. Which is completely beside the point that nobody needs that much memory.

- Being able to use DX10 is very valid advice.

- Barebones kits aren't bad, because OP doesn't know how to build a computer.

[zz123]

You don't need 64 bit os if you're only going to game, since there is no game that is designed for 64 bit os . About the time when most games will be 64 bit we will have Windows 7.

[Jacen Solo]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811166004R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145213
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131113
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153062
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131297
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036

and Accessories http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007

Thats what I'm going to get. If you notice anything wrong with any of this tell me. Also is it all compatible?

I don't know. Eventually everything will run on vista. Will it be able to play games like CoD 4, Bioshock, and Crysis?

[Mulambo]

you using the stock cpu cooler?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

[Jacen Solo]

Do i need a cooler? Or will what it has work?

[Jacen Solo]

Okay well I'm getting all of this ---

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145213
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131113
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153062
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131297
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036
and windows vista 64 Bit

But I had a case chosen but then It sold out. Can you guys give me some suggestions on a case that will have some room for all of this and maybe a bit more.

[Jacen Solo]

Okay, So I have everything picked out. Now I just need a few more answers.

Is all of this compatible?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136144
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119137
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145213
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131113
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211188
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131299
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115036
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116488

Will all of that be able to run games like Bioshock and CoD 4 on full settings?

Thanks for all of your help...

/sorry for triple post but I needed it back at the top and it's new parts and questions.

[Morthor]

None of your links work for me. There are dedicated computer forums you know?