War

[Avalahn]

Seems like Warhammer Age of Reconing will be releasing in 6-7 weeks, and while not being anything close to darkfall, it's still a pvp oriented game with cities. and even though they've cut enuff features to make anyone cry, it must still be considered some kind of compeditor. So how do you guys think this will affect the darkfall 2008 launch?

Blah posted in clan by mistake. oh hell.

[Zokten]

Seems like Warhammer Age of Reconing will be releasing in 6-7 weeks, and while not being anything close to darkfall, it's still a pvp oriented game with cities. and even though they've cut enuff features to make anyone cry, it must still be considered some kind of compeditor. So how do you guys think this will affect the darkfall 2008 launch?

Blah posted in clan by mistake. oh hell.

FAIL!

[Platon2x]

I'll give it a go and YES WAR will take a big chunck of potential DF customers.

[Zokten]

I'll give it a go and YES WAR will take a big chunck of potential DF customers.

Not really, and they don't really matter.

[Razli]

They take some that try it, but are back within a month cuase they are fed up with it. How its always works.

[Thorpeyrox]

WAR will be a major competitor absorbing a huge amount of potential DF customers, they will use their huge funding to improve any game faults and please the users therefore keeping them where as DF will recieve a smaller cut of this market.

[Dorundain]

Good grief, how many times are we going to go through this?

What was the first game heralded as a "serious threat to DF"?

It was Age of Conan most recently, just a few months ago. We've all seen how that panned out.

The MMO market is not a zero-sum game, where each consumer only subscribes to one game. Darkfall does not have to beat such-and-such-game to market in order to be successful.

If anything, these cookie-cutter, stale-mechanics-and-a-license games - even when they profess to be PvP-centric - are just free advertisement for Darkfall, because they continue to miss the mark. They sell gamers on the idea of PvP, and then fail to deliver the goods. I'll be very surprised if, a couple of months after WAR's release, we're not inundated with posts from disillusioned players who call DF their "one last hope" for a PvP MMO.

[Jonkar]

I think this is good for us. It certainly means less carebears.

[Surly]

Good grief, how many times are we going to go through this?

What was the first game heralded as a "serious threat to DF"?

It was Age of Conan most recently, just a few months ago. We've all seen how that panned out.

The MMO market is not a zero-sum game, where each consumer only subscribes to one game. Darkfall does not have to beat such-and-such-game to market in order to be successful.

If anything, these cookie-cutter, stale-mechanics-and-a-license games - even when they profess to be PvP-centric - are just free advertisement for Darkfall, because they continue to miss the mark. They sell gamers on the idea of PvP, and then fail to deliver the goods. I'll be very surprised if, a couple of months after WAR's release, we're not inundated with posts from disillusioned players who call DF their "one last hope" for a PvP MMO.I am in full compliance with this post! (qft)

[Slaker]

It won't affect DF. WAR might be good but I am sure it will be nothing compare to Darkfall PVP.

[Fenris Vinerave]

War wont be a big deal, its no where near like what DF will be like.

[Baal/Mrheat]

WAR will be a major competitor absorbing a huge amount of potential DF customers, they will use their huge funding to improve any game faults and please the users therefore keeping them where as DF will recieve a smaller cut of this market.

No WAR wont be a competitor for ppl wanting to play Darkfall.
WAR will be a major competitor to WoW as their alot the same with low class pvp, no loot and crap gameplay....

Further more not that grapghics is such a big deal, but WAR sure looks very very crapy. Age of conan had atleast good graphics with their worthless gameplay...

[Fro]

No WAR wont be a competitor for ppl wanting to play Darkfall.
WAR will be a major competitor to WoW as their alot the same with low class pvp, no loot and crap gameplay....

Further more not that grapghics is such a big deal, but WAR sure looks very very crapy. Age of conan had atleast good graphics with their worthless gameplay...

Which you couldn't run without a proper gaming rig so to most people it still looked crappy.

[Baal/Mrheat]

Which you couldn't run without a proper gaming rig so to most people it still looked crappy.

true :)

[Thorpeyrox]

No WAR wont be a competitor for ppl wanting to play Darkfall.
WAR will be a major competitor to WoW as their alot the same with low class pvp, no loot and crap gameplay....

Further more not that grapghics is such a big deal, but WAR sure looks very very crapy. Age of conan had atleast good graphics with their worthless gameplay...

Let me fix this for you...
WAR won't be a competitor for forumfallers because they are so wrapped up in this game, to any human being with a free mind about MMO's and isn't currently involved in one - WAR will look better than DFO.
WAR will be a major competitor to WoW you're right but WAR, Aion, Spellbound etc etc will all be competitors in the same way.

[Jester814]

Good grief, how many times are we going to go through this?

What was the first game heralded as a "serious threat to DF"?

It was Age of Conan most recently, just a few months ago. We've all seen how that panned out.

The MMO market is not a zero-sum game, where each consumer only subscribes to one game. Darkfall does not have to beat such-and-such-game to market in order to be successful.

If anything, these cookie-cutter, stale-mechanics-and-a-license games - even when they profess to be PvP-centric - are just free advertisement for Darkfall, because they continue to miss the mark. They sell gamers on the idea of PvP, and then fail to deliver the goods. I'll be very surprised if, a couple of months after WAR's release, we're not inundated with posts from disillusioned players who call DF their "one last hope" for a PvP MMO.


Unfortunately for you, WAR is great. While I agree with some of your points, the PvP in WAR is basically like WoW and DaoC combined, with all the good stuff left in, and all the bad stuff taken out. It's very fleshed out and awesome at this point.

THAT said, DF is a completely different type of game. The openness of the character system or the "sandbox" system is the biggest feature that many have been looking for in MMOs for a long time. For me it's been since UO. I plan on playing WAR until darkfall comes out, but I firmly believe DF will be a better game than any MMO I've ever played.

[Dorundain]

Unfortunately for you, WAR is great. While I agree with some of your points, the PvP in WAR is basically like WoW and DaoC combined, with all the good stuff left in, and all the bad stuff taken out. It's very fleshed out and awesome at this point.

THAT said, DF is a completely different type of game. The openness of the character system or the "sandbox" system is the biggest feature that many have been looking for in MMOs for a long time. For me it's been since UO. I plan on playing WAR until darkfall comes out, but I firmly believe DF will be a better game than any MMO I've ever played.

It's actually fortunate for me, since I intend to play WAR. :) If it delivers on its promises, then I'll be a happy camper until DF comes out.

That said, I stand by my post. If WAR turns out to be brilliantly successful, it would only help Darkfall, not hurt it, because it would introduce MMO gamers to PvP in much the same way that WoW introduced non-MMO gamers to MMO's. A bigger market for PvP-centric games would be a good thing.

[Mhorham]

Most traditional mmo gamers dont want an open pvp game. They only want to pvp when it suits them. With unrestricted pvp, asset destruction and full loot; DF will be to much of a shock for many of the item oriented collectors that came out of the Eq > Doac > Wow stream. This game is more oriented to the UO > AC > SB types.

[Lorthral]

You, my friend, FAIL to epic proportions.

[Suitepee]

I've already played one disappointing so-called 'revolutionary' PvP crapfest called Age of Conan this year. And I only played it for two months because the BKB were playing.

This time round I'm dodging another crappy grindfest altogether. I can play mindless grindfests for free. I'll pay for a 'Darkfall' only for the rest of this year.

Besides,with Spore and Gears 2 coming out I won't need to buy another MMORPG to kill my time.

[Dorundain]

I've already played one disappointing so-called 'revolutionary' PvP crapfest called Age of Conan this year. And I only played it for two months because the BKB were playing.

This time round I'm dodging another crappy grindfest altogether. I can play mindless grindfests for free. I'll pay for a 'Darkfall' only for the rest of this year.

Besides,with Spore and Gears 2 coming out I won't need to buy another MMORPG to kill my time.

So, if Darkfall doesn't come out this year, you're not interested? Or did I misunderstand?

[Suitepee]

So, if Darkfall doesn't come out this year, you're not interested? Or did I misunderstand?

If Darkfall doesn't come out this year I'll wait into next year.
What I'm saying is no more crappy grindfests like WAR for me to bother paying to playing.

[Thorpeyrox]

If Darkfall doesn't come out this year I'll wait into next year.
What I'm saying is no more crappy grindfests like WAR for me to bother paying to playing.

WAR won't be that bad seeming as you get more EXP from PvP than PvE and you can get all the items you need though PvP'ing :P

[Gunnarr]

Good grief, how many times are we going to go through this?

What was the first game heralded as a "serious threat to DF"?

It was Age of Conan most recently, just a few months ago. We've all seen how that panned out.

The MMO market is not a zero-sum game, where each consumer only subscribes to one game. Darkfall does not have to beat such-and-such-game to market in order to be successful.

If anything, these cookie-cutter, stale-mechanics-and-a-license games - even when they profess to be PvP-centric - are just free advertisement for Darkfall, because they continue to miss the mark. They sell gamers on the idea of PvP, and then fail to deliver the goods. I'll be very surprised if, a couple of months after WAR's release, we're not inundated with posts from disillusioned players who call DF their "one last hope" for a PvP MMO.

What ^^ said.

[Dark Necron]

...fail...

[Suitepee]

WAR won't be that bad seeming as you get more EXP from PvP than PvE and you can get all the items you need though PvP'ing :P

PvP with auto-aim combat right? PvP with instanced minigames?

Wow,so I can grind people instead of NPC's! Can I loot them on death? Take away their xp when I kill them? Make the PvP meaningful?

[Byggin]

PvP with auto-aim combat right? PvP with instanced minigames?

Wow,so I can grind people instead of NPC's! Can I loot them on death? Take away their xp when I kill them? Make the PvP meaningful?

No, no, and no, the game is still shit.

[Blixa]

No, no, and no, the game is still shit.

This

[Sofaism]

I'll be playing WAR when it comes out and playing it until DFO comes out probably.

I used search future to find this thread, praise be to me. :eek:

[HedraFan3030]

Blah posted in clan by mistake. oh hell.

At least you admit your mistake...

I might play a demo to burn some time but the second the delvs drop the "b" word I would be gone. That being said it may be a decent game. As far as WAR taking away from DF it might a little, but the potential market that WAR might have will be ransacked DF. On the upside we can set up active recruiting on WAR for DF.

That being said anyone know of any clans and/or should your clan think about playing WAR? (there I made it somewhat on topic)

[doma]

this will fall on its face just like AOC.
You guys are better of joining axis in the fight for awesomeness in ww2ol.
yeah!

[RichieV]

War is going to fail more than AoC. AoC acctually tried to give us new concepts even tho most were half-assed

[sorros]

i might try out WAR, but quit once DF comes out. at least WAR has some PvP...lol@e-sportWoWarena?

Spore looks kewlz, ill get that and if its good enough, play that until DF comes out...if indeed it does come out this year...:ninja:

[Jonkar]

War is going to fail more than AoC. AoC acctually tried to give us new concepts even tho most were half-assed

I'm pretty sure WAR is going to be far more enjoyable then AoC simply because WAR probably allows people to PvP, unlike AoC.

[Shukov]

I'll give it a go and YES WAR will take a big chunck of potential DF customers.

They also said Age of Conan would kill wow and Fun Coms stock is down 60% I believe and 40% of the initial player-base left after a week or two :)

[Kailas]

I think DF will gain followers as a result of WAR. People will go "ooo yay a PvP game that sounds cool", they'll join, it'll suck, there won't be any real PvP and people will ask "gee, where can I find a real PvP game?" at which point someone will point them towards DF.

[Ocoma]

WAR will not fail for some of the same reasons WoW was a success....ease of play for the average player, and an already established huge following of the franchise.

IMO it may actually increase DF's potential player base, some peeps will try it and like pvp and may come here for real pvp once DF releases.

[Tenshaku]

Warhammer is the same stale concepts, lack of freedom, carebear piece of crap as WoW with better graphics. It changes nothing, its the same game with different paint. No matter what you do your only grinding for no reason, no purpose, you can't become anything but what your class is forced to become, you'll never matter more than anyone else no matter how hard you try. Its stupid.

You can add more flies to a turd, but its still a turd, and it'll never be a piece of gold.

You people who value graphics over gameplay sicken me. A game is about gameplay, without it, it fails. If I had to choose between WoW with graphics from the year 2030 or Darkfall with PS2 graphics, I choose Darkfall. So go back to the turd with the most flies you can find, and leave the gold to the smart people that don't irrationally fear change, and enjoy your padded walls and security blanket because thats what most MMOs are, they cater to scared p*ssies who can't handle any insecurity.

Right now I lack the words to elaborate my views properly. But whatever afk, yay Darkfall, the only good MMORPG (And maybe Mortal Online but its still unknown largely), if your not playing a game for freedom but rather for security, then you shouldn't be playing an MMORPG because obviously you need to lock yourself away from people altogether.

[Thorpeyrox]

From what I've heard after the NDA lift WAR is a great, fun enjoyable game which provides a lot of fun features... So sorry to you bitches but it will be a sucess.

[Sidius]

From what I've heard after the NDA lift WAR is a great, fun enjoyable game which provides a lot of fun features... So sorry to you bitches but it will be a sucess.

Yeah ive heard much the same shiz, i take heart in the fact that DAoC devs have had a hand in the RvR system in WAR.

Pre-ordering on friday.

[Thorpeyrox]

Yeah ive heard much the same shiz, i take heart in the fact that DAoC devs have had a hand in the RvR system in WAR.

Pre-ordering on friday.

I'm going to wait until Christmas time before deciding what MMO I want to play, will DFO be better? Spore? hopefully WAR's bugs and glitches will be ironed out by then who knows, it just seems a better time to get a greater perspective on things.

[sorros]

Unfortunately for you, WAR is great. While I agree with some of your points, the PvP in WAR is basically like WoW and DaoC combined, with all the good stuff left in, and all the bad stuff taken out. It's very fleshed out and awesome at this point.



have you played the beta.


THAT said, DF is a completely different type of game. The openness of the character system or the "sandbox" system is the biggest feature that many have been looking for in MMOs for a long time. For me it's been since UO. I plan on playing WAR until darkfall comes out, but I firmly believe DF will be a better game than any MMO I've ever played.

yes, it is a different type of game, but it has more promising features...well, except for the fact that WAR has a release date...ill go check it out, but look how they already messed up. took out 4 classes and a couple of cities i hear? but they still have to release? the whole PvP attraction was laying siege to cities and burning, pillaging, etc. Now several cities are missing, 4 "unique" classes are gone (and from what i recall, 3 of them were tanks!)

and WoW has no good PvP. im not jumping on the bandwagon here, i thought that before i even knew DF existed, and i played pre-BC when it was good...although it was even better pre-BGs, when there were constant 40 man raids on cities...

ill check out WAR, but to say its a "great game" isnt saying much. its probably "great" compared to CURRENT mmos, but it is still not itself a "great" game imo.