Final political poll

[alhazred]

I shall cross reference the data from my other 2 polls with this one and see how many people by a %error are miss informed or have no good choice in there presedential candidate.

so the question is simple

Obama

or

McCain

[Blixa]

I'd go with Obama.

ibtp

[Arintyll]

Neither

Both=Fail

[Blixa]

Neither

Both=Fail

probably, but since one of them is definitly going to be president... I go with the one whose ideas I like most.

I strongly recommend you the SP episode "Douche and Turd"

[Arintyll]

probably, but since one of them is definitly going to be president... I go with the one whose ideas I like most.

I strongly recommend you the SP episode "Douche and Turd"

I know not this sp episode thing, but since both "Douche and Turd" are things that belong in a toilet, the only option is to flush them.

[Entreri]

Not really sure right now. I was kinda leaning for McCain, but the recent commercials kinda made me lose faith in him. It just seemed like he was throwing the first punch.

[Desperado[1G]]

They're both shit candidates, but Obama is not the type of person you want to have as our president. I'm pretty much forced to vote for McCain.

[lafayette]

Acording to this poll, 9 out of 15 people like to get fucked in the ass by a gaint US government dilido.

[Lorthral]

Obama, cause I'm a Democrat.

[Kekshorts]

Obama, cause I'm a Democrat.
is that your only reason?

[Lorthral]

is that your only reason?

...not really, I just really don't like McCain. His entire campaign slogan is "I am a war vet, vote for me."

[Kekshorts]

...not really, I just really don't like McCain. His entire campaign slogan is "I am a war vet, vote for me."
I'm an obama supporter but jesus christ...

[Incanam]

;1521602']They're both shit candidates, but Obama is not the type of person you want to have as our president. I'm pretty much forced to vote for McCain.

Funny, I feel the same way, only reverse Obama and McCain.

[Malhavok]

Currently Obama... If McCain ever steps off the "By 2013 I'll have solved world hunger, poverty, and terrorists won't have anywhere to call a safe haven. Oh but I won't go to Pakistan because they're a sovereign nation" retard horse I might swing back that direction. I guess I'll also have to see who is running green, can't get much worse than Obama. And the GOP2/Libertarian is out due to Barr. If I wanted to vote for a Neocon Patriot-Act-Loving type I'd just vote McCain.

[Blixa]

I know not this sp episode thing, but since both "Douche and Turd" are things that belong in a toilet, the only option is to flush them.

The episode basicly says that you have to get used to vote between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, cause these are basicly the only ones bringing it that far in politics (short vers.).
And I agree with that 100%. There's never going to be a "good" president cause he couldn't afford a campaign and all that stuff without corruption, ect.

[Nehemia]

"Other; Tarja halonen."


Yes, the level of irony is exceeding its limits in this post.

[Matriel]

I'm probably not voting for President. I might write in Ron Paul.

Currently Obama... If McCain ever steps off the "By 2013 I'll have solved world hunger, poverty, and terrorists won't have anywhere to call a safe haven. Oh but I won't go to Pakistan because they're a sovereign nation" retard horse I might swing back that direction. I guess I'll also have to see who is running green, can't get much worse than Obama. And the GOP2/Libertarian is out due to Barr. If I wanted to vote for a Neocon Patriot-Act-Loving type I'd just vote McCain.

I'm curious why you feel that retard horse is any worse than the retard change horse? At least McCain admits he's clueless about economics and plans to get people to do it for him instead of running things and creating programs on wishes. Unless of course I've pegged you wrong and you don't really care about economics all that much in politics.

[Bunkah]

Go go Obama Bin Laden!!!!

[Kebek]

Lol, wtf is this? Why make a poll about this when non-US citizens can vote as well.

[Septus]

I'm probably not voting for President. I might write in Ron Paul.

I'm curious why you feel that retard horse is any worse than the retard change horse? At least McCain admits he's clueless about economics and plans to get people to do it for him instead of running things and creating programs on wishes. Unless of course I've pegged you wrong and you don't really care about economics all that much in politics.

First off, let me say that I'm voting 3rd party if at all. I live in Cali (which means my delegates are going to Obama anyway), so I might as well try and give a decent percentage to 3rd parties (maybe if they start inching up to 10% people will dispel the notion of "wasting their vote")

That said, in terms of Obama and McCain, they're not both "retarded horses." In terms of public speaking, and pure intelligence, Obama obviously wins.

Don't be under the illusion that McCain will spend any less than Obama, first off. And second, how do you expect McCain to pick the right advisors, or even weigh advice, if he's too fucking stupid? Seriously, hearing McCain talk is like hearing Bush with a slightly better vocabulary.

I think raising taxes in an unfortunate necessity right now in the state we're in; and tbqh, I've recently been questioning my previous blind faith in the free market. I've come to realize that the free market often times, is not the "ideal" we've come to see it as (we being free market enthusiasts).

[lafayette]

I think raising taxes in an unfortunate necessity right now in the state we're in; and tbqh

I know its hard for most people to understand, but what about cutting spending?

I've recently been questioning my previous blind faith in the free market. I've come to realize that the free market often times, is not the "ideal" we've come to see it as (we being free market enthusiasts).

We have a freemarket in the US? When did we start doing that again? Next you'll be telling me our money is backed by shiny yellowish metal.

[Septus]

I know its hard for most people to understand, but what about cutting spending?

We can't cut spending currently because of the economic situation (obviously there are lots of programs that could be cut, but I'm talking about the trillions in liquidity being pumped into the market, which make our current govt. programs look like table scraps). I guess you would also say "let's not bail out the housing/credit market." On principle, I would agree, but we've already dug the hole - if we just said "fuck 'em" now, we'd all be in huge trouble (depression style).

To elaborate, the Federal Reserve did exactly what "free market proponents" clamour for today. "Don't help the credit market! Fuck the housing market! They made bad decisions, let 'em rot!" Well the Fed ignored similar problems and did not lower rates or inject liquidity in other ways... And then we had the Great Depression.


We have a freemarket in the US? When did we start doing that again? Next you'll be telling me our money is backed by shiny yellowish metal.

I didn't say we had a free market. But I've been examining the free market on paper, and I'm becoming less convinced that it's the ideal many believe it to be. It certainly has its place as the best motivator by far; so in terms of efficiency/productivity of people, it is certainly ideal. But it lacks efficiency/productivity in a grander scale (for example, between corporations in the same industry).

A good example would be the open source movement which uses free market principles of competition (lots of alternatives, with the "best" software usually becoming most popular) but without profit motive vs. the corporate software industry (think JSP, EJB, etc... I know Java is technically open source, but Sun has a huge vested interest in technologies like JSP and EJB).

Another glaring example would be the lack of US transportation infrastructure (subways, trains), due directly to "free markets." Or our current energy situation, which the free market certainly doesn't care to address.At the very least, the free market does not care about progress, nor does it have foresight.

So long as the profit is there as a motivator, the free market would actually rather stagnate progress, as progressing may actually eat at profits (which is the sole motivator for a "free market.")

[Villa]

Where is the "We don't care old chap, because we are British, what what" option?

[Killuminati]

Obama is chenge! so I'm gonna have to go with the first option.

[Arintyll]

I'm probably not voting for President. I might write in Ron Paul.

Thats what I'm doing this year. Write in RP and wait for the poll workers to snear at me.

[Mulambo]

...not really, I just really don't like McCain. His entire campaign slogan is "I am a war vet, vote for me."

I wouldn't vote for mccain if he was a UO vet. srsly, he's such a douche.

[Spinewire]

Where is the "We don't care old chap, because we are British, what what" option?
i would have been all over that like a rash

[Villa]

i would have been all over that like a rash
Your signature turns me on.
Does mine turn you on?

[palo god]

Neither

Both=Fail

I second that.

[Xzi]

Obama because McCain told me that he's the biggest celebrity in the world lulz.

[Deja vu]

I think both presidents are bad for America. Ill just do a wright in or may be a 3rd party if I can find one I like.

[Killuminati]

Obama because McCain told me that he's the biggest celebrity in the world lulz.

obama clearly is.

[palo god]

...not really, I just really don't like McCain. His entire campaign slogan is "I am a war vet, vote for me."

And what’s obama's entire campaign slogan? "I am for change, but the kind of change that will screw you over, vote for me because if you're white you owe me."

I am writing in Ron Paul.

[Xzi]

obama clearly is.
I no right so I dun wanna be unpopular.

[Malhavok]

I'm curious why you feel that retard horse is any worse than the retard change horse? At least McCain admits he's clueless about economics and plans to get people to do it for him instead of running things and creating programs on wishes. Unless of course I've pegged you wrong and you don't really care about economics all that much in politics.

It's more egregious to stand up there and say I will end word poverty, terrorism, and fix the economy than "Change we can believe in". If you care about economic issues and aren't a socialist I don't see how you can really be too excited about either. I mean look at McCain's policies... he wants to copy Brazil's shift to flex-fuel vehicles. Then he goes on to say high tarrifs and mandates are destroying the economy and we need to level the playing field on ethanol subsidies. Then he puts on his other shoes and is a strong supporter of mandates in CAFE standards. Then he puts on a second set of other shoes and calls for billions in special interest subsidies for coal. If there's ever been a politician who has ridden to fence harder than McCain I'd love to meet them. Obama's goals are more down to earth and specific as amazing as that seems. I may not like the direction he is pushing but at least he's bothered to make the decision to have a direction. Meanwhile McCain can't decide if the free market works or doesn't.

[Nafelos]

Currently Obama... If McCain ever steps off the "By 2013 I'll have solved world hunger, poverty, and terrorists won't have anywhere to call a safe haven. Oh but I won't go to Pakistan because they're a sovereign nation" retard horse I might swing back that direction. I guess I'll also have to see who is running green, can't get much worse than Obama. And the GOP2/Libertarian is out due to Barr. If I wanted to vote for a Neocon Patriot-Act-Loving type I'd just vote McCain.

Do you just agree with everything John Stewart says?

[Killuminati]

Hopefully Cthulhu has a chance.

[Kuri]

Obama will probably be assassinated, but hey I wouldn't mind another JFK conspiracy.

[Malhavok]

Do you just agree with everything John Stewart says?

Only 90% of it. Which makes it about 80% more than I agree with Obama or McCain.

Cthulu as Obama's VP imo. That way when Obama gets assassinated we get some Cthulu!

[Mippoose]

Obama doesn't wanna put weapon satellites in space.

Fuck him.

[Nafelos]

Only 90% of it. Which makes it about 80% more than I agree with Obama or McCain.

Cthulu as Obama's VP imo. That way when Obama gets assassinated we get some Cthulu!

Thats pretty sad, though I can't argue with the Cthulu part.

[SentrySteve]

And the GOP2/Libertarian is out due to Barr.

I'm voting Libertarian even though I hate Barr. The reason why I'm doing this is because I've read that if the Libertarian party gets 5% in the next general election they'll qualify for some kind of additional funding. A vote for the libertarians now may help pave the way for victory later.

All the people who plan on writing Ron Paul in will more-or-less be wasting their votes. They should also vote Barr and hope that he reaches 5%, which I strongly doubt he will.

In short, I'm voting for Barr because I know he won't win.

[Matriel]

That said, in terms of Obama and McCain, they're not both "retarded horses." In terms of public speaking, and pure intelligence, Obama obviously wins.

I don't trust good public speakers, so maybe that's a turnoff.

Don't be under the illusion that McCain will spend any less than Obama, first off. And second, how do you expect McCain to pick the right advisors, or even weigh advice, if he's too fucking stupid? Seriously, hearing McCain talk is like hearing Bush with a slightly better vocabulary.

I think McCain will spend slightly less money. Although, I must admit, I don't watch enough election coverage to know if that's anything other than hoping that Republicans remember what their party was supposed to be about or not.

I think raising taxes in an unfortunate necessity right now in the state we're in; and tbqh, I've recently been questioning my previous blind faith in the free market. I've come to realize that the free market often times, is not the "ideal" we've come to see it as (we being free market enthusiasts).

Well, we haven't had a free market since the 19th century, so you can regain your faith.

And fuck whoever wants to raise motherfucking taxes. They can stop fucking spending like god damn idiots.

It's more egregious to stand up there and say I will end word poverty, terrorism, and fix the economy than "Change we can believe in". If you care about economic issues and aren't a socialist I don't see how you can really be too excited about either. I mean look at McCain's policies... he wants to copy Brazil's shift to flex-fuel vehicles. Then he goes on to say high tarrifs and mandates are destroying the economy and we need to level the playing field on ethanol subsidies. Then he puts on his other shoes and is a strong supporter of mandates in CAFE standards. Then he puts on a second set of other shoes and calls for billions in special interest subsidies for coal. If there's ever been a politician who has ridden to fence harder than McCain I'd love to meet them. Obama's goals are more down to earth and specific as amazing as that seems. I may not like the direction he is pushing but at least he's bothered to make the decision to have a direction. Meanwhile McCain can't decide if the free market works or doesn't.

Evidently I'm just not spun up enough on McCain. My entire knowledge of election coverage is reading the subtitles on msnbc/cnn/foxnews tv screens while using cardio machines at the gym. What I've seen of that gave me the feeling that McCain was slightly less spend happy than dicknuts. And since you seem to advocate the lesser of two evils on that shit, I figured you'd like him more than Captain we can afford Universal Suckcare even though long term we can't even afford social security/medicare.


All the people who plan on writing Ron Paul in will more-or-less be wasting their votes. They should also vote Barr and hope that he reaches 5%, which I strongly doubt he will.

I've been "wasting" my vote since I was 18. No need to worry about changing that now. ;)

[Arintyll]

I'm voting Libertarian even though I hate Barr. The reason why I'm doing this is because I've read that if the Libertarian party gets 5% in the next general election they'll qualify for some kind of additional funding. A vote for the libertarians now may help pave the way for victory later.

All the people who plan on writing Ron Paul in will more-or-less be wasting their votes. They should also vote Barr and hope that he reaches 5%, which I strongly doubt he will.

In short, I'm voting for Barr because I know he won't win.

The only wasted vote is a vote for someone you don't believe in.

[SentrySteve]

The only wasted vote is a vote for someone you don't believe in.

How noble of you. In terms of reality though, absolutely nothing can be gained by a write in for Paul. At least a vote for Barr may provide the next Ron Paul with the platform he/she would need in order to win.

[Feyrband]

I'm an obama supporter but jesus christ...

I am Obama Christ.

[Arintyll]

How noble of you. In terms of reality though, absolutely nothing can be gained by a write in for Paul. At least a vote for Barr may provide the next Ron Paul with the platform he/she would need in order to win.

In terms of reality you individually are not going to change a damn thing since the system is rigged anyway. You want real change, you want real hope, you want real elections, stock up on ammo cause crankin the lever on a rifle is the only lever pull thats gonna change anything around here at this point.

If everyone voted for who they believed in and the system wasn't rigged, we could get rid of the 2 party stranglehold instead of this I'll just vote for so and so since its the lesser of two evils or im gonna vote 3rd party this time so maybe the 2 major parties will see im angry. LOL good luck.

Ron Paul running under a major party was marginalized by the media. Its not the platform, its the message. If they don't want to hear the message, if it doesn't jive with what they were told is acceptable to televise to the sheeple, then platform wont matter. You will get nothing but spin and attacks.

[Nafelos]

In terms of reality you individually are not going to change a damn thing since the system is rigged anyway. You want real change, you want real hope, you want real elections, stock up on ammo cause crankin the lever on a rifle is the only lever pull thats gonna change anything around here at this point.

If everyone voted for who they believed in and the system wasn't rigged, we could get rid of the 2 party stranglehold instead of this I'll just vote for so and so since its the lesser of two evils or im gonna vote 3rd party this time so maybe the 2 major parties will see im angry. LOL good luck.

Ron Paul running under a major party was marginalized by the media. Its not the platform, its the message. If they don't want to hear the message, if it doesn't jive with what they were told is acceptable to televise to the sheeple, then platform wont matter. You will get nothing but spin and attacks.

Its all a fucking conspiracy man...

[Malhavok]

I'm voting Libertarian even though I hate Barr. The reason why I'm doing this is because I've read that if the Libertarian party gets 5% in the next general election they'll qualify for some kind of additional funding. A vote for the libertarians now may help pave the way for victory later.

All the people who plan on writing Ron Paul in will more-or-less be wasting their votes. They should also vote Barr and hope that he reaches 5%, which I strongly doubt he will.

In short, I'm voting for Barr because I know he won't win.

Well, I'm not a big believer in public financing. If a candidate is too lousy to find people to sponsor their campaign that's a big hint that they should not be running. I might have felt differently prior to McCain-Feingold and the host of other campaign reforms. The argument that the other guys can't get the big business funding and hence cannot compete is now mute as big business is largely precluded from supporting candidates directly. On top of that I wonder why we're obsessing over the effect rather than the cause. If the gov't kept its meddling paws out of the market it wouldn't be as profitable to lobby.

Aside from my philosophical disagreement with public financing I also don't see why I should contribute to the libertarians to reach the 5% mark. Bob Barr is, or at least was, pretty extremely far right ultra-conservative. I have no idea why he's a libertarian candidate... Just a few years ago the libertarian party rightly attacked him for his political views and contributed to the loss of his congressional seat. Now just six years later they endorse him as President? I mean it's possible he's completely changed, but his wish-washy regret for the Patriot Act is one of the major things holding back my support. Sorry, but "I was too stupid to see the gov't abusing what could have been a good bill" just doesn't cut it. I honestly don't know what he could say to change my mind on that though. It's a pretty hard thing to rationalize for someone who who presents (masquerades even?) himself as a libertarian.

[Septus]

I don't trust good public speakers, so maybe that's a turnoff.

Yeah he could just be manipulating people with a silver tongue so to speak. But if that's your opinion, you're asking for too much. If they talk like Bush, you slap your forehead. If they're eloquent, you slap your forehead. What are you looking for? And in terms of intellect, you really can't contest when it comes to Obama vs. McCain. Passing the buck on all non-military policy to "advisors" isn't wise in my book (see: George Bush).


I think McCain will spend slightly less money. Although, I must admit, I don't watch enough election coverage to know if that's anything other than hoping that Republicans remember what their party was supposed to be about or not.

I'm not so sure. Just because he says "No to social programs!" doesn't mean he won't be boosting military spending, financial packages for soldiers (wherever you stand philosophically, it's still more spending), and dealing with the cluster fuck that is our financial system by injecting liquidity (if he doesn't the Fed will, so good luck).


Well, we haven't had a free market since the 19th century, so you can regain your faith.


I elaborated here in my reply to lafayette:

We can't cut spending currently because of the economic situation (obviously there are lots of programs that could be cut, but I'm talking about the trillions in liquidity being pumped into the market, which make our current govt. programs look like table scraps). I guess you would also say "let's not bail out the housing/credit market." On principle, I would agree, but we've already dug the hole - if we just said "fuck 'em" now, we'd all be in huge trouble (depression style).

To elaborate, the Federal Reserve did exactly what "free market proponents" clamour for today. "Don't help the credit market! Fuck the housing market! They made bad decisions, let 'em rot!" Well the Fed ignored similar problems and did not lower rates or inject liquidity in other ways... And then we had the Great Depression.

I didn't say we had a free market. But I've been examining the free market on paper, and I'm becoming less convinced that it's the ideal many believe it to be. It certainly has its place as the best motivator by far; so in terms of efficiency/productivity of people, it is certainly ideal. But it lacks efficiency/productivity in a grander scale (for example, between corporations in the same industry).

A good example would be the open source movement which uses free market principles of competition (lots of alternatives, with the "best" software usually becoming most popular) but without profit motive vs. the corporate software industry (think JSP, EJB, etc... I know Java is technically open source, but Sun has a huge vested interest in technologies like JSP and EJB).

Another glaring example would be the lack of US transportation infrastructure (subways, trains), due directly to "free markets." Or our current energy situation, which the free market certainly doesn't care to address.At the very least, the free market does not care about progress, nor does it have foresight.

So long as the profit is there as a motivator, the free market would actually rather stagnate progress, as progressing may actually eat at profits (which is the sole motivator for a "free market.")

[Xtra-Medium]

i would vote obama cuz the terrorist fist jab, does it really fuckin matter who is president anyway?

[Matriel]

Yeah he could just be manipulating people with a silver tongue so to speak. But if that's your opinion, you're asking for too much. If they talk like Bush, you slap your forehead. If they're eloquent, you slap your forehead. What are you looking for? And in terms of intellect, you really can't contest when it comes to Obama vs. McCain. Passing the buck on all non-military policy to "advisors" isn't wise in my book (see: George Bush).

I'd be happy with someone that can articulate their ideas without colouring their entire speech with catchphrases designed to get sheep into a frothing mob.

And Bush did okay with some of his 2nd attempts at advisors. Gates seems to be pretty good to go. Neither of the candidates are at all qualified to run an economy, so I'd rather go with the one that says he'll spend less. Well, I would if I voted for lesser evils.

I'm not so sure. Just because he says "No to social programs!" doesn't mean he won't be boosting military spending, financial packages for soldiers (wherever you stand philosophically, it's still more spending), and dealing with the cluster fuck that is our financial system by injecting liquidity (if he doesn't the Fed will, so good luck).

Military spending even with increases isn't going to completely brankrupt this country in the next 20 years. Entitlement spending will. Not that either of them are talking about it. Neither of them can stop the Fed anyway, so that's a moot point.



I elaborated here in my reply to lafayette:

We're catastrophically fucked either way. We can't maintain current spending because of the Baby Boomers. So, you can either have it fall apart that way or start cutting the fuck out of spending, maybe try and help the people that need the government teat to survive for a time and actually put spending at sane levels. Either way, spending in this country is going to have to change drastically because I seriously doubt the Nintendo generation is going to stand for 60% income taxes to pay for old fuckheads.