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Indah
08-01-2008, 02:38 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-sci-phoenix1-2008aug01,0,1054551.story

Water confirmed on Mars.

After weeks of testing the soil in the Martian arctic, NASA's Phoenix lander has for the first time confirmed through chemical analysis the presence of water on another planet, scientists said Thursday.

Several weeks ago, Phoenix uncovered convincing visual evidence that it had landed on an ice field when it set down on Mars' northern plain May 25.



* Mars soil capable of sustaining plant life
Mars soil capable of sustaining plant...
* On Mars: 'It must be ice'
On Mars: 'It must be ice'

Pictures beamed back to Earth across 200 million miles showed white streaks in the lumpy soil around the lander, and a tool on the lander's robotic arm had shaved off chunks of the material that scientists were certain was ice.

On Thursday, the Phoenix team -- consisting of scientists from NASA and the University of Arizona -- presented evidence that material baked in one of Phoenix's eight tiny ovens was indeed water, the first time any spacecraft from Earth had tasted the life-giving substance on another world.

The evidence came from a mass spectrometer on Phoenix's thermal and evolved-gas analyzer, or TEGA. When heated, the targeted material in the soil melted at the expected temperature, which Phoenix scientist William Boynton called definitive proof.

"The fact that it melted at 0 degrees centigrade leaves very little doubt" that it is water, said Boynton, speaking at a news conference in Tucson.

For Phoenix scientists, the challenge hasn't been finding the ice but getting it into one of the testing ovens.

The ovens are only about the width of a pen cartridge. Getting soil in there was difficult because it proved to be clumpy. Scientists finally got one sample of soil in an oven several weeks ago by dribbling it in.

Getting the ice in was even harder. It tended to either vaporize or stick to the scoop on the robotic arm.

Over recent days, the scientists had grown so frustrated with the failure to transfer bits of ice into the oven that they gave up and decided to put another soil sample into a second oven. When they performed the first of four heat tests on the material, the mass spectrometer on the instrument detected a change at the melting point of ice.

"We've gotten an ice sample into TEGA," said a smiling Boynton. "It tastes very fine."

The amount of ice in the soil sample is tiny, probably about 1% of the total, Boynton said. In the next few days, the TEGA instrument will gradually heat the sample to a temperature of 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit, testing the gases given off along the way for the presence of organic chemicals, the building blocks of life as humans understand it.

It could be weeks before the Phoenix team is finished with the analysis. In the meantime, the scientists will try to perfect the ice delivery method to obtain a larger sample.

Also Thursday, NASA said it was extending the Phoenix mission by a month beyond the 90 days previously announced. The mission has completed 65 sols, or Martian days.

It is high summer on Mars, but in a few months winter will set in, covering the lander in a thick coat of carbon dioxide ice, snuffing out its life.

BlackVolgan
08-01-2008, 02:41 PM
fucking unreal. its awesome that this mission has turned out so successful

zakariaz
08-01-2008, 02:48 PM
That is great news hope it gets confirmed even further

Indah
08-01-2008, 02:53 PM
I hope they find some sort of life in the water, not sure if the mars rover can scan for that, but it would be sweet to find frozen amoebas or something.

Dwhap
08-01-2008, 03:00 PM
I hope they find some sort of life in the water, not sure if the mars rover can scan for that, but it would be sweet to find frozen amoebas or something.

It's not a rover.. (It's a stationary lab). It can't detect life directly but it can taste organic molecules which is a good indication that life either does exist or did at one time in the past.

losinglife
08-01-2008, 03:03 PM
its false ice.. i mean come on people like ice would exist on other planets :rolleyes:. It just swamp gas hitting the suns rays reflecting in infrared to make it seem its ice ;)

Spart
08-01-2008, 03:32 PM
That's so cool. Hope it finds out more information about this.

Phooey
08-01-2008, 03:33 PM
When can I get a Mars condo?

Paganini
08-01-2008, 03:57 PM
Life on Mars is so 1940s....

paade
08-01-2008, 04:06 PM
i have water right here, no need to go to Mars for that.

Arkh
08-01-2008, 04:11 PM
I hope we'll live long enough to see the first Marsian, Lunar or even jupitarian colonies.

Aragoni
08-01-2008, 04:17 PM
Fuck yes! :eek::D
Mars will soon feel the Human virus spreading within his body. :)

Lethn
08-01-2008, 04:45 PM
Build a fucking space station and get us colonized there already! I hate this lousy planet :(

Helgeran
08-01-2008, 05:01 PM
Build a fucking space station and get us colonized there already! I hate this lousy planet :(
Emos in space, lol.

Lethn
08-01-2008, 05:02 PM
I'm not emo I just think democracy sucks I wanna form my own dictatorship rebellion somewhere lol :D

Indah
08-01-2008, 05:06 PM
Won't you need followers and lots of money to do that Lethn?

Lethn
08-01-2008, 05:08 PM
I'll just have to continue my goal of getting in the Games Industry and put myself in space when they have the technology made :D lol :p

Arkh
08-01-2008, 05:16 PM
Yup, libertarians only hope lies in space stations.

Yin
08-01-2008, 05:22 PM
You know what? Water has been found on Sun.

It would be realy strange if in the universe with on based on nuclear reactions of hidrogen and requiring oxicen for half of other reactions water would be found only on 1 single planet... dont you think?

Daarco
08-01-2008, 05:33 PM
I wonder what the religious people would say if they find some kind of proof for life in that water?
Wouldent that mess up all religions? maybe not the cool ones, but many non the less.

Lethn
08-01-2008, 05:33 PM
lol wow, there are even vaportrolls when it comes to undeniable facts :p

Arkh
08-01-2008, 05:42 PM
I wonder what the religious people would say if they find some kind of proof for life in that water?
Wouldent that mess up all religions? maybe not the cool ones, but many non the less.

The spaghetti monster put these so called "proofs" to fool humans.

Ganon
08-01-2008, 05:42 PM
martian lifeforms! yay humanity wiped by some martian bacterio or virus, about time!

Buddhist
08-01-2008, 05:54 PM
martian lifeforms! yay humanity wiped by some martian bacterio or virus, about time!We get alien viruses all the time, ones which form in space and fall into our atmosphere. It's much easier for complex molecules to form in space than in gravity, and as such viruses are common.

Angreal
08-01-2008, 06:03 PM
Cool, they even have pictures.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2_gcc.jpg

Deja vu
08-01-2008, 06:06 PM
I wonder what the religious people would say if they find some kind of proof for life in that water?
Wouldent that mess up all religions? maybe not the cool ones, but many non the less.

I am semi religious (Christian) and I think there is other life out there.

I don't think it would effect religion other than some of the most fundamentalist religions.

epicor
08-01-2008, 06:42 PM
I hope we'll live long enough to see the first Marsian, Lunar or even jupitarian colonies.

Not Jupiter colonies. Sorry. Too much gravity, no ground. Maybe a Io, or Europa, but not the planet itself. But imagine the odd sensation of having Jupiter pulling you away from the moon you are standing on and filling the half the sky all the time. Anway; most likely we will have Lunar colony within the next 20years though. With the launch of the new space shuttles in 2010, the radically reduced cost and increased repitition will facilitate the construction of a full time, lunar outpost. So maybe even by 2015.

Though TBH i dont know what the point would be. Unless it was on a massive and/or expandable scale so that a fullsize colony could move up there. I think that would be the best bet for the Armagedon scenario. Forget the mountain bunker, just go to the moon for a couple generations with a couple thousand people.

Also, about religion. Why would it mess them up? God created us in his image to spread the word . Why would finding a whole new species to convert hamper anything? Though THAT does beg the question: Does having been created in God's image make us better than the aliens?

Uilamin
08-01-2008, 06:47 PM
I am semi religious (Christian) and I think there is other life out there.

I don't think it would effect religion other than some of the most fundamentalist religions.

Well it would effect the monotheistic religions most likely because it shows that life was made outside of Earth. If there was intelligent life then would all our prophets be special as they would of had their prophets as well (assuming the other intelligent life had a high enough brain power to function as we do and created religion as well)

Out of the current 'major' (really one of these isn't major, but it probably gets nearly as much news as most major religions) the following really wouldn't be affected:

Buhdism - no central God figure, paradise is reached within oneself and based on your current life actions you reincarnate (if you didn't reach the highest mental clarity state) upon death

Scientology - Xenu could of had a second house cleaning, or better yet the aliens are the remnants of Xenu's empire... =P Or ever better yet, Tom Cruise used his 1970's airplane to fly through space and populate a planet with intelligent life... oh god Scientology is just too easy to rip apart...

Nature-based Religions - Wiccan, Hinduhism (I think), etc, where elements of nature are seen as Gods or Divine entities. To my knowledge the majority of these religions don't say that the world was specially created for man.

zakariaz
08-01-2008, 06:48 PM
We need a lunar colony if we are ever gonna colonize further. Would save us so much if we can start producing things on the moon with materials from the moon. Plus it cost less to launch spacecrafts from it.

Tiberias
08-01-2008, 06:50 PM
You know what? Water has been found on Sun.

It would be realy strange if in the universe with on based on nuclear reactions of hidrogen and requiring oxicen for half of other reactions water would be found only on 1 single planet... dont you think?

China is sending a manned mission to the sun to extract the water, as we speak.

Yin
08-01-2008, 06:54 PM
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/news/sunwater.html

They will put their flag on sun, and what you will do afterwards, when they tax your sunlight?

Uzik
08-01-2008, 06:55 PM
It would rock if they found life on Mars and the Christian and Islamic fundamentalists went there to spread their religion.


SPACE WARS!


I hope American space warriors looks like Starcraft Marines. China is TOTALLY gonna be the zerg.

Arkh
08-01-2008, 06:58 PM
Not Jupiter colonies. Sorry. Too much gravity, no ground. Maybe a Io, or Europa, but not the planet itself.
I was speaking about Jupiter satellites. But european colony sounds... déjà-vu.