Fallout 3 really is shit.

[Atnas]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36202.html

=(

[[Malice]Bronson]

Not just yet, he did confirm at least 100 hours of gameplay.

[Atnas]

What does length matter if the game sucks, like... a lot? You wouldn't want to spend 100 hours eating shit would you?

[[Malice]Bronson]

I guess we'll have to see. What didn't you like about the demo?

[Haldred]

I liked the demo, and I cannot wait for it.

[Clarth]

Um, isn't Fallout supposed to be a strategy/rpg game? That looked like a shooter...

[-Havoc-]

Looks pretty hardcore. I hope the game isn't all linear though...

[Surly]

The gameplay looks extremely.... console-oriented. Ah well, I'll probably wait to play this until after Darkfall loses interest. By then maybe it'll be modded into being a decent game.

edit: It may be a fun game, don't get me wrong... it just isn't Fallout. They should have called it something else instead of ruining a good franchise name.

[Atnas]

All of it is so uninteresting.

"Here's my laser gun. Here's my shotgun. Here's my rocket launcher."

I want a fucking harpoon rifle, that's the leastthey could've come up with!

[-Havoc-]

The gameplay looks extremely.... console-oriented. Ah well, I'll probably wait to play this until after Darkfall loses interest. By then maybe it'll be modded into being a decent game.

edit: It may be a fun game, don't get me wrong... it just isn't Fallout. They should have called it something else instead of ruining a good franchise name.

With the diehard following the Fallout series has, if this game becomes consolized, I'm sure it'll be modded to suit the PC.

[Red Morgan]

STALKER: Clear Sky looks better than this. Everyone play that game instead!

[Surly]

With the diehard following the Fallout series has, if this game becomes consolized, I'm sure it'll be modded to suit the PC.That's why I figure it'll take them a year or two to strip all the game-raping features.

STALKER: Clear Sky looks better than this. Everyone play that game instead!Exactly. Fallout 3 looks more violent, which I like... but the gameplay is a hybridized turn-based/real-time mode that only fails to be repugnant when you can see a need for it. Like when you're using a really limited console controller.

[Xzi]

Man I wanted an RPG, not another FPS.

[Haldred]

STALKER: Clear Sky looks better than this. Everyone play that game instead!

I haven't even finished the first S.T.A.L.K.E.R, stupid Spetsnaz. :bang:

[LordRolo]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36197.html

thats for all of you out there crying that it will be consolised/not strategy

for those of you who like the old version of the game (like me) there is the PIP boy combat assisted which turns it into 3D fallout old style

for those of you who think it will be consolised there will be first person

[Metal Wolf]

After how much Belthesda consolised the Elder scrolls series you expected Fallout to "find its roots?" Thats a sad and lost hope.

[Xzi]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36197.html

thats for all of you out there crying that it will be consolised/not strategy

for those of you who like the old version of the game (like me) there is the PIP boy combat assisted which turns it into 3D fallout old style

for those of you who think it will be consolised there will be first person
Well I liked that trailer a bit more, but it still doesn't seem very RPGish. More of an FPS with auto-aim.

[Surly]

Well I liked that trailer a bit more, but it still doesn't seem very RPGish. More of an FPS with auto-aim.That's exactly how I look at their stupid VATS system. It's auto aim!

[LordRolo]

That's exactly how I look at their stupid VATS system. It's auto aim!

but but but... THATs how the original Fallout was LIKE!

you can either have it one way or the other you can't call it a FPS AND a RPG its a cross..

thats like saying baulders gate had autoaim!

and you have AP so you cannot do eveything in one go like the original... in fact it IS the original but more like tactics and from first person

[Nexus]

If you don't like the way the new game will be then go back to playing the old game. Simple as. No need to QQ about how fallout 3 sold out, or whatever. Its not even out yet, and its their franchise to do whatever the hell they want with.

Just because they are bringing out fallout 3 that doesn't make fallout 2 any different. Go and play that instead.

I do think though they should have specified the direction of the sequel before fans engaged the hype machine.

[Bissen]

Man I wanted an RPG, not another FPS.

Im pretty sure Bethesda aint that stupid, as to not put a major roleplay element in there.

I remember tons and tons of violence in the old games. So why shouldn't this game have it? And now it's just perfect slaughter to look at.

To me it both feels and looks like the post apocalyptic world I spend hundreds of hours in some years back.

Two thumbs up.

[DarkMarine]

Id just wish they made another Elder Scrolls.

[Krylas]

Well, Mass effect had combat almost exactly like that (You could pause the game in combat, but to switch weapons and skills instead of target enemies), and it was one of the best RPG's of this year, so maybe it will work out.
I doubt it will compare to the old fallouts though.

[t1337Dude]

Bronson;1473259']Not just yet, he did confirm at least 100 hours of gameplay.

Just like how Oblivion had atleast 300 hours of gameplay (or something like that). But then I came along and bought it pre-release, beat the game, and was bored of it by the time everyone started playing it for their first time.

[Bissen]

Id just wish they made another Elder Scrolls.


And I wish they'd make their Rogue Warrior aka DemoDick shooter. Been 2 years atleast since they announced it.

[Haldred]

I haven't played previous fallout titles So my opinion doesn't matter, But I'm going to give it anyway.
It looks like what STALKER should have been. /sigh, other than that, I will be buying the game and giving my first impressions to forumfall on October 7th.

[Killuminati]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36202.html

=(

Doesn't look that bad.

[Scottc1988]

Looks pretty good to me and I haven't played the original Fallout. What was so great about the original one?

[Nexus]

Actually, another interesting point has been raised.

If you saw a demo of Oblivion and saw from a fps view the character hacking up goblins and swinging a sword around, would you honestly believe that the game is then only a FPS? And then to rite it off before it is even out?

Case in point.

[Atnas]

I guess I'm the only one who found that video to be extremely generic and uninteresting then.

[Nasty]

LOved the demo

[Damwa]

I think I'll just play it, and then make up my *own* mind.

[Dazarthas]

That looked really nice... I'd prefer to get this on my PC, but I need to upgrade my system first.

[Agge]

It looks fun enough to me. And besheda don't suck at making games soo I don't see a problem here until I play it and puke.

As far as wacky, odd and diffrent things/weapons not shown in the video... I rahter find out about such items existence myself ingame tyvm.

Then only thing that suprised me was that the graphics wasn't al that I expect... then again it could just be the carppy resolution on the video.

[Damwa]

I guess I'm the only one who found that video to be extremely generic and uninteresting then.

Fallout 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FLQQ_RgteQ)

*Shrugs*

[Surly]

but but but... THATs how the original Fallout was LIKE!

you can either have it one way or the other you can't call it a FPS AND a RPG its a cross..

thats like saying baulders gate had autoaim!

and you have AP so you cannot do eveything in one go like the original... in fact it IS the original but more like tactics and from first personFallout wasn't an FPS with auto-aim. The whole system is a hybrid of two game types. It looks like shit.

[Atnas]

Fallout 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FLQQ_RgteQ)

*Shrugs*

I like that one a lot more, actually. It feels more gritty.

I really can't explain the feeling, all I see when I look at that trailer is FPS. With Auto-Aim and gore if you want to.

[Tiarilir]

Fallout wasn't an FPS with auto-aim. The whole system is a hybrid of two game types. It looks like shit.

You're getting too old!

[Damwa]

I like that one a lot more, actually. It feels more gritty.

I really can't explain the feeling, all I see when I look at that trailer is FPS. With Auto-Aim and gore if you want to.

I don't feel able to make an assessment by the trailer, but then again: I don't play that many FPS games to begin with, and I don't have a console either.
But my point with the Fallout 2 trailer was merely this: the trailer doesn't show *anything* that might indicate the particular qualities of the game that make it great, and different from other RPGs.

[Red Morgan]

I'm starting an Isometric Turn-Based Game fan club. Who wants to join???

[Damwa]

I'm starting an Isometric Turn-Based Game fan club. Who wants to join???

Any free stuff?

[Xzi]

I'm starting an Isometric Turn-Based Game fan club. Who wants to join???
Will there be cake?

[Red Morgan]

Any free stuff?

Sure, you just have to crush a supermutants head with a hydraulic sledge hammer to get it from him.

Will there be cake?

No-rad cake with lemony frosting.

[Corpse]

I,having played through Fallout 1&2 many times,Am not disgusted with how fallout 3 turned out.I think it looks great.
Traveling through the wasteland atmosphere is what its all about for me.
I cant wait to jump back into the fallout Universe in 3D.

[Agge]

Acctualy I gotta agree with the whole hybrid thing is shit though.

I rather it just be full fps style... frome what I have read earlier you can't even prone, but ya can crouch wich also puts you in stealth mode ala oblivion.

You could still progress your character by making things like reloding faster or w/e.

I still wanna try the game befor I ay to hell with it, for al I know I might enjoy its fighting system.

[Xzi]

No-rad cake with lemony frosting.
I'm in.

[Zokten]

Well that confirmed the Oblivion with Guns gameplay for me.

RIP Fallout 3

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36197.html

thats for all of you out there crying that it will be consolised/not strategy

for those of you who like the old version of the game (like me) there is the PIP boy combat assisted which turns it into 3D fallout old style

for those of you who think it will be consolised there will be first person

Your link provided us with even more fail. More so with he BS spewing mouth, same shit that happened with Oblivion.

edit: The mini-nuke is such a FPS/console kiddie fucking cop out.

Im pretty sure Bethesda aint that stupid, as to not put a major roleplay element in there.

I remember tons and tons of violence in the old games. So why shouldn't this game have it? And now it's just perfect slaughter to look at.

To me it both feels and looks like the post apocalyptic world I spend hundreds of hours in some years back.

Two thumbs up.
Yea Beth made such a good RPG with Oblivion :rolleyes:

[Haldred]

exactly lets see if the hybrid, which I think will work is any good, and lets just play the game before we condemn Bethesda...

[Atnas]

I don't feel able to make an assessment by the trailer, but then again: I don't play that many FPS games to begin with, and I don't have a console either.
But my point with the Fallout 2 trailer was merely this: the trailer doesn't show *anything* that might indicate the particular qualities of the game that make it great, and different from other RPGs.

I'd like to see exploration, since it's the only thing I liked in Oblivion. The combat is looks really shitty (Yes yes, it isn't finished yet but I know where it's heading) and I doubt they'll come up with interesting weapons. Maybe one tops.

[Xzi]

exactly lets see if the hybrid, which I think will work is any good, and lets just play the game before we condemn Bethesda...
I condemned Bethesda after Oblivion. Ugh. Played that one for the shinies and got bored with it two hours in.

[Zokten]

exactly lets see if the hybrid, which I think will work is any good, and lets just play the game before we condemn Bethesda...

To late.

[Red Morgan]

Yea Beth made such a good RPG with Oblivion :rolleyes:

They did a lot right with Oblivion. If they learned from their mistakes, they might do something good with this.

History teaches us that game developers rarely learn from their mistakes, though.

[Nuzor]

it looks good tbh, i liked the original and i'm sure this will bring the franchise forward.

[Damwa]

I'd like to see exploration, since it's the only thing I liked in Oblivion. The combat is looks really shitty (Yes yes, it isn't finished yet but I know where it's heading) and I doubt they'll come up with interesting weapons. Maybe one tops.

I imagine that Fallout 3 will have its "holes" and drawbacks, but so did Fallout and Fallout 2 - It just seems that a lot of people are doing the "Grumpy old man"-thing, sitting on a porch and complaining. Their complaints may be valid and accurate, but they seem to ignore that the original "good old days" had other flaws, which we were willing to ignore 'cause the overall experience of playing the game was great. I dunno if Fallout 3 can deliver, and I don't want to be naive about it - I just don't want to bring myself to a point where I expect perfection, and can't play the game if it is anything less than flawless.

[Zokten]

They did a lot right with Oblivion. If they learned from their mistakes, they might do something good with this.

History teaches us that game developers rarely learn from their mistakes, though.

Just like they were suppose to learn their mistakes from Morrowind?

Yea, history does teach us that.

Only hope I have for Fallout 3 is modding, but their might not even be a SDK for Fallout 3 :(

[Loose]

It reminds me of the Bioshock style a little. And Bioshock is my favorite game to date.

[Atnas]

Just like they were suppose to learn their mistakes from Morrowind?

Yea, history does teach us that.

Only hope I have for Fallout 3 is modding, but their might not even be a SDK for Fallout 3 :(

They did though, at least when it came to combat and dull environments.

[Zokten]

They did though, at least when it came to combat and dull environments.

Combat I didn't mind in Morrowind cause it was RPG combat was based on your character's skill and not your player skill. But understand why most people hated it.

As the for environment, I really thought the outdoor environment of Morrowind were better the Oblivion's. Tired of just the forest all the time.

[Xzi]

Combat I didn't mind in Morrowind cause it was RPG combat was based on your character's skill and not your player skill. But understand why most people hated it.

As the for environment, I really thought the outdoor environment of Morrowind were better the Oblivion's. Tired of just the forest all the time.
Yea, no way in hell Oblivion's environments were better. They were all copy/pasted from one another.

[Bissen]

Yea Beth made such a good RPG with Oblivion :rolleyes:

And where in my post did I say anything about oblivion?

I think they pretty much nailed the atmosphere of the old games. It looks and feels like fallout and from the footage shown it's indeed very gory and mature like the old ones.
Can't see anything wrong with what that video shows.
Im sure it will be filled to the brim with cool dialogue and quests fitting for it's genre.

Four minutes of combat was presented so atleast hold your horses back awhile.

[Atnas]

Combat I didn't mind in Morrowind cause it was RPG combat was based on your character's skill and not your player skill. But understand why most people hated it.

As the for environment, I really thought the outdoor environment of Morrowind were better the Oblivion's. Tired of just the forest all the time.

Yea, no way in hell Oblivion's environments were better. They were all copy/pasted from one another.

Ah, yes. Rocks, rocks, rocks, rocks, grey, grey, brown, grey, water, grey, sand.

I liked the forest and you could get some really beautiful views from certain locations. Enabling far distance and stuff made me really feel like I was in a rather big world!

[Xzi]

Ah, yes. Rocks, rocks, rocks, rocks, grey, grey, brown, grey, water, grey, sand.

I liked the forest and you could get some really beautiful views from certain locations. Enabling far distance and stuff made me really feel like I was in a rather big world!
Morrowind had some darker environments for sure, but it also had a large amount of variation from one region to the next. Oblivion did not.

[Zokten]

Ah, yes. Rocks, rocks, rocks, rocks, grey, grey, brown, grey, water, grey, sand.

I liked the forest and you could get some really beautiful views from certain locations. Enabling far distance and stuff made me really feel like I was in a rather big world!

So I get tree, tree, tree, tree, grass, grass, some water?

[Damwa]

But weren't the games supposed to take place in distinct geographic locations?
If you make a game that takes place in the Sahara, you cannot simply insert some beautiful tropical forests, just for the lulz?

[yamisniper]

Well I liked that trailer a bit more, but it still doesn't seem very RPGish. More of an FPS with auto-aim.

like mass effect ...

[Bissen]

like mass effect ...

QFT.

And by the fuckin way.
Since when did autoaim stop you from playing the original games?
Or practically any other great RPG ever made?

Auto-aim ffs. What a no-clue reason to bash the game.

[Xzi]

QFT.

And by the fuckin way.
Since when did autoaim stop you from playing the original games?
Or practically any other great RPG ever made?

Auto-aim ffs. What a no-clue reason to bash the game.
I'm not bashing it purely for auto-aim. More for the fact that it has become a dumbed down console kiddie game. Strategy and complexity go out the window when you design a game around four to six buttons.

[Zokten]

I'm not bashing it purely for auto-aim. More for the fact that it has become a dumbed down console kiddie game. Strategy and complexity go out the window when you design a game around four to six buttons.

Yep, pretty much.

But weren't the games supposed to take place in distinct geographic locations?
If you make a game that takes place in the Sahara, you cannot simply insert some beautiful tropical forests, just for the lulz?

Thats another reason why Morrowind was better. The Island had different environments all over it.

[Atnas]

So I get tree, tree, tree, tree, grass, grass, some water?

Yes, more or less. Much nicer!

[Viluin]

Looks like they stole a few ideas from Bioshock.

[MCBach]

We'll have to see more.

[Virtra]

Well, the execution of Fallout 3 depends more on how they made the interactions between you and the NPCs work... I mean that was really the key behind the original franchise. The combat itself (in the original) was almost filler, while the joy one got out of the game really came from deciding how you wanted to go about completing certain tasks and then carrying them out.

[Zokten]

LOL!

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888731p1.html

"Fallout 3 is very much Oblivion in a post-apocalyptic world."

"As improved as Fallout 3 is, it still feels like Oblivion in a lot of ways (even if you can't sprint -- though you do move faster if your weapon is holstered)"

"Even the inventory system and interface is taken right out of the last Elder Scrolls, so there should be a high level of familiarity for returning players here."


That explains everything.

[Xzi]

LOL!

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888731p1.html



That explains everything.
Eww.

[Marrik]

i never played turn-based fallout, so as long as it has a construction set to undo all the carebear shit they are doing to it, ill buy it.


no construction set, no sale.



it sucks that its like oblivion, but keep in mind that with a construction set, you can completely remake prettymuch anything in the game from the ground up, including the inventory system, just like was done with oblivion mods.

[Haldred]

IGN? I thought that was a liberal magazine..I dun read it.

[Zokten]

i never played turn-based fallout, so as long as it has a construction set to undo all the carebear shit they are doing to it, ill buy it.


no construction set, no sale.



it sucks that its like oblivion, but keep in mind that with a construction set, you can completely remake prettymuch anything in the game from the ground up, including the inventory system, just like was done with oblivion mods.

Yea, but the SDK (construction set) might not come out for Fallout 3. Since they thinking of not doing it. Which is retarded.

[Marrik]

Yea, but the SDK (construction set) might not come out for Fallout 3. Since they thinking of not doing it. Which is retarded.

if they dont do it theres no way in hell im buying it. i fucking hated oblivion, i had to wait almost a year for people to make enough mods so that i could make it stomachable.

[Dragonfly]

I thought it looked neat.

[Lacker]

Waiting. Not looking good, but we still haven't heard much about the plot or character development.

So maybe with a perfect execution it won't be watery dogshit...maybe.

[Elemancer]

I will defeatedly buy it...but this is MoO3 all over again. Yes, I'm nolstagic for the 'golden era' of gaming, but tell me why they couldn't have given the fallout 2 a face lift. That's all I fucking ask from a franchise. I don't give a shit if a franchise is innovative or not...The jump from fallout to fallout 2 was just right in terms of new development. Bethesda butchered this game. It's Fallout: Tactics 2 (minus the party).

The combat trailer is shown because that's the best aspect they have of the game right now. I have very very very very very very very little hope that the NPC interactions are overall the same...it'll probably just be a gay ass killfest.

I find it ironic that pc game makers are ditching the platform, and blaming piracy. This game is exactly why nobody buys PC games. They're turning into drab same-ol' same-ol' console games.

[BlackVolgan]

the game looks awesome imho

[Slaker]

The graphics are beautiful that's much I can say so far.

[iza]

I'm not bashing it purely for auto-aim. More for the fact that it has become a dumbed down console kiddie game. Strategy and complexity go out the window when you design a game around four to six buttons.
Right because you needed so many buttons for all the strategy and complexity in Fallout 1/2? :rolleyes:

[Tiarilir]

Right because you needed so many buttons for all the strategy and complexity in Fallout 1/2? :rolleyes:

Lol, ownage!

[Gloomrender]

Do you need to play Fallout 1 to understand/enjoy fallout 2?

[Lethn]

I actually think that looks pretty damn awesome, Bethesda make decent RPGs, if they get a good storyline going and NPC interaction then it'll keep me happy, the one thing I hate in most RPGs now is how fucking static NPCs are where they just go "Hello blah blah blah" and then do nothing, the style looks very bioshock :p

[iza]

Do you need to play Fallout 1 to understand/enjoy fallout 2?
No.

[Zokten]

Do you need to play Fallout 1 to understand/enjoy fallout 2?

No, but it helps.

I actually think that looks pretty damn awesome, Bethesda make decent RPGs, if they get a good storyline going and NPC interaction then it'll keep me happy, the one thing I hate in most RPGs now is how fucking static NPCs are where they just go "Hello blah blah blah" and then do nothing, the style looks very bioshock :p

They used to make decent RPGs....plus after reading ign say over and over how it's pretty much Oblivion with guns I lost all hope.

EDIT: Watching E3 right now and they are showing Fallout 3 right now and playing it and pretty much you don't need VATS at all from the looks.

You can just play it as a FPS.

[Zokten]

Even though I did lawl when I watched the guy now kill a raider with a couple Teddy bears.

[Lord Caim]

I got a review in PCGamer and it sounded great to me. Maybe I'm just stupid?

[Weeking]

There was a crappy fallout game for the Xbox-0° Realtime multiplayer top-down console crap.

[RayesKotrora]

We must wait to hear what Yahtzee has to say about this issue.

Yahtzee knows all.

[Crimm]

Get used to playing action RPGs you old wrinkle sack nerds. dungeons and dragons is dead.

[Lethn]

We must wait to hear what Yahtzee has to say about this issue.

Yahtzee knows all.

Yahtzee's a valve fanboi he'll piss over everything that's not made by them so I don't value his opinion anymore.

[BlackVolgan]

Yahtzee's a valve fanboi he'll piss over everything that's not made by them so I don't value his opinion anymore.

you got hurt when he bashed one of your favourite games, didn't you.


his reviews are pretty much entirely accurate. So many people like him because they can relate to his gaming experiences, and he is funny.

[RayesKotrora]

you got hurt when he bashed one of your favourite games, didn't you.


his reviews are pretty much entirely accurate. So many people like him because they can relate to his gaming experiences, and he is funny.

Yeah he bashed Oblivion but I completely agreed with everything he said and was funny about it, too lol (btw Oblivion is one of my favorite games. Haven't played in months but still have over 350 hours in it...don't even ask about Morrowind lmao).

[Lethn]

Actually, he did bash a couple of games that I liked the look of but I still agreed with his points, until he suddenly decided the best he could critique when anything from valve came along was "I don't like the variety of maps", "It's Awesome!" when there were a bunch of other things like how the games are pretty much Turret Wars Online where characters just slide about instead of actually fight each other, then yes I consider his opinions biased.

To be honest for some reason I've found him less and less funny as well, guess I just don't get his stereotypical sense of humour anymore, call me jaded but I think he's actually lost his flavour not because he likes valve games so much but because he seems to become less and less interested in actually bothering to bring along points for WHY he doesn't like certain games to the point where he just sounds like another random troll bashing on the Internet.

[Xzi]

Actually, he did bash a couple of games that I liked the look of but I still agreed with his points, until he suddenly decided the best he could critique when anything from valve came along was "I don't like the variety of maps", "It's Awesome!" when there were a bunch of other things like how the games are pretty much Turret Wars Online where characters just slide about instead of actually fight each other, then yes I consider his opinions biased.

To be honest for some reason I've found him less and less funny as well, guess I just don't get his stereotypical sense of humour anymore, call me jaded but I think he's actually lost his flavour not because he likes valve games so much but because he seems to become less and less interested in actually bothering to bring along points for WHY he doesn't like certain games to the point where he just sounds like another random troll bashing on the Internet.
He also liked Super Mario Galaxy, and Psychonauts, and CoD4. Kinda throws your argument right out the window, eh?

[Lethn]

I wasn't even making an argument lol that's just my opinion of him, yes he has liked other games but he barely even bothered to crit valve games and lately he just seems to have given up for the most part, oh and try to write more than one line without quoting me if your going to attempt to sound clever Xzi.

[Xzi]

One line.

Two lines.

[Haldred]

One line.

Two lines.

:eek: thats win right there :eek:

[Xzi]

:eek: thats win right there :eek:
A whole lot of it. And don't you forget it.

[Haldred]

A whole lot of it. And don't you forget it.

Yessa massa I's won't neva fo gets it :eek:

[Xzi]

Yessa massa I's won't neva fo gets it :eek:
Good.

Ahem...getting back on topic.

Bethesda is ruining Fallout...RABBLE!

[Damwa]

I know that this is never going to end, but I would like to interject a few notes on the "upbeat" and optimistic: "It might still be a fun game in spite of any particular perceived flaws"-theme.

- Fallout and Fallout 2 never had a very complicated, realistic or even "fluid" combat mode.
- Starting fights in urban areas was always hell, due to the panicking civilians taxing the AIs capacity. (We didn't mind - we lived with it.)
- Party member AI and the capacity to control them by giving general orders was never entirely "polished". (How many times were *you* blasted in the back with a SMG by Sulik? How many times did some well-meaning idiot in your party decide to go for melee with a minigun-wielding Super Mutant? How many times did some asshole get in *your* way, when *you* were setting up for a good burst of Vindication?)
- How many levels did you need before practically *all* your targeted shots cashed in as Crits? "Sniper build"-FTW, anyone? (Target eyes - *BLAM* - Blinded/Knocked Out/Or just had his head blown clean off..)

- Fallout and Fallout 2 didn't have the same layout on the world-map, and even the Vault 13 has different maps in the two games. - Consistency issues?

- The graphics were pretty standard for RPGs of that time - nothing innovative or spectacular there. (Don't get me wrong; I have a crush on "3D isometric", and I also play Fallout Tactics in "individual turn-based". But in so far as I don't see Fallout as a "combat game" per se, I don't think that the mode of combat "made" the "old" game, or will "break" the new one.)

Rather than go on I would just conclude by stating that the things that made Fallout a great game to play aren't (to my untrained eye) visible in the trailer, and really cannot be shown in *any* trailer. I'll have to try it, to know if I like it, and I think that is a healthy attitude: The proof of the pudding is in what?

[Bissen]

Good.

Ahem...getting back on topic.

Bethesda is ruining Fallout...RABBLE!


Haven't seen one sound argument in this thread, that supports your opinion.

[paade]

well they seem to focus on combat, at least the trailer was, but combat never was the main point in Fallout, not for me at least... actually the only thing there that reminded Fallout was Pipboy.
I hope whoever makes their next trailer is someone else than that squeeky voiced faggot.

[Loxley]

Fallout 3 will be amazing. Did you even play fallout 1 or 2.

[Red Morgan]

Fallout 3 will be amazing. Did you even play fallout 1 or 2.

Black Isles developed 1 and 2. They have nothing to do with this game.

[Spinewire]

If you liked oblivion you will like fallout 3 imo.....

personaly i fucking hated oblivion

[Damwa]

Black Isles developed 1 and 2. They have nothing to do with this game.

They have nothing to do with *any* games, anymore.

[Bissen]

They have nothing to do with *any* games, anymore.

False.

Most of them are still working with Obsidian Entertainment including the founder of Black Isle. But the glory days are over...

[Red Morgan]

False.

Most of them are still working with Obsidian Entertainment including the founder of Black Isle. But the glory days are over...

Yeah, it makes for many a sad panda. :(

[GRCPan]

idd fallout 3 failed

[Damwa]

False.

Most of them are still working with Obsidian Entertainment including the founder of Black Isle. But the glory days are over...

Black Isle Studios doesn't make any games anymore. That stands as it is.

[Nexus]

idd fallout 3 failed
Its not even out yet?

Your basing your opinion on what everyone on FORUMFALL has said managed to assume and fabricate from a 20 second clip.

Why has everyone forgotten this?

[Bissen]

Black Isle Studios doesn't make any games anymore. That stands as it is.


Golfclap.

Define THEY!!!!!!

[paade]

Its not even out yet?

Your basing your opinion on what everyone on FORUMFALL has said managed to assume and fabricate from a 20 second clip.

Why has everyone forgotten this?

lol noob, Forumfall is highest authority on earth when it comes to games

[Damwa]

Golfclap.

Define THEY!!!!!!

"They" a pronoun: referring in this context to Black Isle Studios. You were the one who wanted to mince words, when the reference was quite clear.

When a band dissolves, isn't the band said to have stopped producing even if the individual members continue to make music? Isn't the music of the individual members (in whichever configuration) considered as something different from the music of the band?
Point being: for all we know, the products of the Black Isle Studios were the result of the collaboration of several individual members, and once they "dissolved", "they" (in this sense) ceased to be. Arcanum was somewhat reminiscent of the Black Isle products, I don't know if Neverwinter Nights 2 is; it might be. But for all intents and purposes the "they" that was Black Isle Studios, is no more. What is so terribly contentious about that statement?

[Suitepee]

I've never played a Fallout game,but the idea of a twin-based real-time shooting/tactical turn attacks sounds respectable.

This might be worth something even if it's an easy-mode Oblivion style game to some extent. My main concern is that it seems a bit easy from the demo. Hopefully ammo/weapons will need to be conserved,as based off what Fallout players said the first two were tactical games,not real-time shooters.

[Bissen]

Heheh Damwa.

It could be understood such as I did. But then again. I totally see your point.

And now let's stop beating this horse. Considering it was 2 weeks dead when I started slapping it again.

[epicor]

Man I wanted an RPG, not another FPS.

qft

[Lethn]

I have to admit, I think the gore was pretty fucking cool :p hardly see that kind of stuff anymore, I wants to get a sniper rifle and blow off an enemies' leg! :p

[Bissen]

qft

You old farts really need to start playing games from this millenia.

Shooters and RPG's have been merged succesfully through many a game. Fallout 3 will be an action RPG. Same as it's "RPG of the year" counterpart known as Mass Effect. Or was that a huge failure aswell?

Get your fuckin heads outta your old hanging buttcheeks and realize that games aint 2D anyfuckinmore. If in doubt. This is a good thing.

Now go cry some more.

[Helgeran]

It will all boil down to how wll written the dialogue is and how believable the world feels. Looking at Oblivion my guess is they will fail.

[Nexus]

lol noob, Forumfall is highest authority on earth when it comes to games
Forumfall is the highest collection of self-righteous and highly opinionated 'old school' gaming dildos.

Doesn't make them right.

[Lethn]

Yeah if they do the storyline and everything really well and don't just have the NPCs as static idiots then I'll be happy even if the games 2D and pixelated.

[Damwa]

Heheh Damwa.

It could be understood such as I did. But then again. I totally see your point.

And now let's stop beating this horse. Considering it was 2 weeks dead when I started slapping it again.

:p

[Red Morgan]

It will all boil down to how wll written the dialogue is and how believable the world feels. Looking at Oblivion my guess is they will fail.

Maybe they'll utilize "radiant" AI again...

"I saw a rad scorpion the other day."
"Hello."
"Hi."
"What nasty little creatures."
"Yes."
"I hear Turnock was eaten by a Deathclaw."
"You don't say."
"Goodbye."
"Get out of my way."

So immersive!

[Bissen]

Maybe they'll utilize "radiant" AI again...

"I saw a rad scorpion the other day."
"Hello."
"Hi."
"What nasty little creatures."
"Yes."
"I hear Turnock was eaten by a Deathclaw."
"You don't say."
"Goodbye."
"Get out of my way."

So immersive!

FUCK LOL! :D

[Lethn]

lol Red Morgan just quoted exactly what I do not want to see, static NPCs fucking suck.

[Helgeran]

Maybe they'll utilize "radiant" AI again...

"I saw a rad scorpion the other day."
"Hello."
"Hi."
"What nasty little creatures."
"Yes."
"I hear Turnock was eaten by a Deathclaw."
"You don't say."
"Goodbye."
"Get out of my way."

So immersive!
"By the nine mutants there's a psycopath on the loose!"

[Rokolith]

Looked fine to me, considering I didn't really care about this game in the first place.

[Suitepee]

You old farts really need to start playing games from this millenia.

Shooters and RPG's have been merged succesfully through many a game. Fallout 3 will be an action RPG. Same as it's "RPG of the year" counterpart known as Mass Effect. Or was that a huge failure aswell?

Get your fuckin heads outta your old hanging buttcheeks and realize that games aint 2D anyfuckinmore. If in doubt. This is a good thing.

Now go cry some more.

Mass Effect had the somewhat traditional RPG-style thing of stop-starting battles to use skills,so a good blend of real-time action with RPG-style pausing to implement skills in battle. I need to re-immerse myself with ME at some point; got about as far as the ice planet after becoming a Spectre. Loved the voice acting quality and open-ended morality choice system.

Fallout 3 seems to be a game where you just go around blasting things. I mean,doesn't seem like much of a RPG anymore; not that this is a bad thing,but Bethesda do know they're playing with some fire by changing the Fallout format to a more 'Oblivion-style' game.

Will Fallout 3 be piss easy though,is perhaps the main question?

[Haldred]

Mass Effect had the somewhat traditional RPG-style thing of stop-starting battles to use skills,so a good blend of real-time action with RPG-style pausing to implement skills in battle. I need to re-immerse myself with ME at some point; got about as far as the ice planet after becoming a Spectre. Loved the voice acting quality and open-ended morality choice system.

Fallout 3 seems to be a game where you just go around blasting things. I mean,doesn't seem like much of a RPG anymore; not that this is a bad thing,but Bethesda do know they're playing with some fire by changing the Fallout format to a more 'Oblivion-style' game.

Will Fallout 3 be piss easy though,is perhaps the main question?

The ending is one of my top five gaming moments ever...it is fucking intense. GO finish Mass Effect NOW!

[Bissen]

Mass Effect had the somewhat traditional RPG-style thing of stop-starting battles to use skills,so a good blend of real-time action with RPG-style pausing to implement skills in battle. I need to re-immerse myself with ME at some point; got about as far as the ice planet after becoming a Spectre. Loved the voice acting quality and open-ended morality choice system.

Fallout 3 seems to be a game where you just go around blasting things. I mean,doesn't seem like much of a RPG anymore; not that this is a bad thing,but Bethesda do know they're playing with some fire by changing the Fallout format to a more 'Oblivion-style' game.

Will Fallout 3 be piss easy though,is perhaps the main question?


And this you say after watching a 4 minute combat oriented demo. One of the main things fallout is ALL ABOUT is combat. Why not show of some leet entertainment while going to the biggest game conference in the world?

I gief op.

[Lachrymose]

Will Fallout 3 be piss easy though,is perhaps the main question?

i haven't played the first 2, but if indeed they're more tactical in nature, i think they may be "dumbing" the game down to reach a wider audience.

[Bissen]

i haven't played the first 2, but if indeed they're more tactical in nature, i think they may be "dumbing" the game down to reach a wider audience.


So now you can't be tactical in a shooter?

OK where's the gun I haven't got a permit for.

[paade]

Forumfall is right.

Doesn't make them the highest collection of self-righteous and highly opinionated 'old school' gaming dildos.

see what i did thar?

[Bissen]

see what i did thar?


Yeah. You managed to make his point all the more correct.


Ohh and the person writing bullshit in the post below me just got a +1

[doma]

I got one comment. I could write a fucking book about this since I am a HUGE Fallout 1/2 fan.

but, I will not.

here it comes!



Fuck this shit.

[SHo]

The only good Fallout was back in the 80's! lol.. yep thats right... to me.. the best one ever as far as story and so forth was the very first one.. came out durring Full Metal Jacket... kinda liked playing while that movie was on in the BG and they would move through the rubble and burning buildings.. made that game even better lol

[Xzi]

Haven't seen one sound argument in this thread, that supports your opinion.
Say what?

1. Bethesda already said that they're taking a lot of Fallout's design from Oblivion, a game which sucked because it was WAY too simplistic and designed for consoles with PCs as an afterthought.

2. There might not be an SDK for the game, meaning modding will be impossible so nobody would be able to fix the shittiness that is Fallout 3.

I'd say that's about all the more reason I need to assume this game is going to suck.

[Ludo]

It looked very strange, does not look like a next gen shooter, neither in graphics or gameplay.

[Zokten]

Rather than go on I would just conclude by stating that the things that made Fallout a great game to play aren't (to my untrained eye) visible in the trailer, and really cannot be shown in *any* trailer. I'll have to try it, to know if I like it, and I think that is a healthy attitude: The proof of the pudding is in what?

Guess you missed the whole Oblivion with Guns look.....

Fallout 3 will be amazing. Did you even play fallout 1 or 2.

:bang::bang::bang:

If you liked oblivion you will like fallout 3 imo.....

personaly i fucking hated oblivion

Yep, even though tons of console kiddies loved it....but then again was made for them.

Its not even out yet?

Your basing your opinion on what everyone on FORUMFALL has said managed to assume and fabricate from a 20 second clip.

Why has everyone forgotten this?

My opinion is based on far more then these clips and the ign review. It's also based on Beth's track record with Oblivion AND everything I've read from the devs and what not while they have been working on Fallout 3.

You old farts really need to start playing games from this millenia.

Shooters and RPG's have been merged succesfully through many a game. Fallout 3 will be an action RPG. Same as it's "RPG of the year" counterpart known as Mass Effect. Or was that a huge failure aswell?

Get your fuckin heads outta your old hanging buttcheeks and realize that games aint 2D anyfuckinmore. If in doubt. This is a good thing.

Now go cry some more.

Yes they have, but not lately.

Mass Effect was a ass of a RPG.

Your a console kiddie I bet who thought Oblivion was one BADASS RPG.

And this you say after watching a 4 minute combat oriented demo. One of the main things fallout is ALL ABOUT is combat. Why not show of some leet entertainment while going to the biggest game conference in the world?

I gief op.

Are you legally retarded? Fallout was NOT all about the combat.

[slugy]

As soon as i saw who the game was being made by, i said lol irl. did you ever think it was going to be ANY good?

[Damwa]

Guess you missed the whole Oblivion with Guns look.....


What I am saying (and have said for quite a few posts now):

- Fallout & Fallout 2 didn't have a particularly complicated or demanding combat system to begin with.
- The trailer doesn't tell us *anything* about dialog; how it is handled - how many options - how it is influenced by stats and past actions - how well-written it is - etc.
- Trailer doesn't tell us anything about the size of the game-world - how interactive it is - how explorable it is - Special encounters? - random encounters? - etc.
- Trailer doesn't tell us anything about how "linear" or "open-ended" the game is - how many styles of gameplay are viable? - Could the game be completed without bloodshed (of humanoids)? - Can it be played with a largely non-combat character? - How nasty can you be? - How nice? - How dumb? - How smart? - etc.
- Isn't the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system still in effect? The trailer doesn't tell me anything about this system being somehow "dumbed down" in reference to game-mechanics and game-play as such.

My point remains: I didn't enjoy Fallout & Fallout 2 for the combat, so why should I condemn Fallout 3 on *that* feature alone?

[Xzi]

My point remains: I didn't enjoy Fallout & Fallout 2 for the combat, so why should I condemn Fallout 3 on *that* feature alone?
Don't. Condemn it on the fact that Bethesda pretty much said it'll be Oblivion with guns. Unless you liked Oblivion.

But personally I did not.

[Bissen]

Yes they have, but not lately.

Mass Effect was a ass of a RPG.

Your a console kiddie I bet who thought Oblivion was one BADASS RPG.



Are you legally retarded? Fallout was NOT all about the combat.


First. I don't own a frickin console and Mass Effect was as good as they get in my opinion. Atleast the pc version graced my ballsack quite a few times.

Second. I wrote that ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS FALLOUT IS ABOUT IS COMBAT.
If you can't agree to this then please. Be my guest and stab yourself.

We've seen four minutes of combat mechanics in fallout 3. One of the big sellers in the gaming community is combat. Just in case you hadn't noticed. This is why they presented this footage at E3. They know what sells.

Then there's the whole 3rd person perspective that's been reported to work almost exactly the way it did in the previous games.

We haven't seen anything other than the combat aspect of this game. So before you pick up more rocks to bash this title, lets atleast see some of its actual roleplaying aspects. Can't see where all your nerdish neoconservative paranoia hurls from. Maybe it's from your moms basement.

Oblivion with guns ffs. Go play pong you ignodweep.

[Zokten]

What I am saying (and have said for quite a few posts now):

- Fallout & Fallout 2 didn't have a particularly complicated or demanding combat system to begin with.
- The trailer doesn't tell us *anything* about dialog; how it is handled - how many options - how it is influenced by stats and past actions - how well-written it is - etc.
- Trailer doesn't tell us anything about the size of the game-world - how interactive it is - how explorable it is - Special encounters? - random encounters? - etc.
- Trailer doesn't tell us anything about how "linear" or "open-ended" the game is - how many styles of gameplay are viable? - Could the game be completed without bloodshed (of humanoids)? - Can it be played with a largely non-combat character? - How nasty can you be? - How nice? - How dumb? - How smart? - etc.
- Isn't the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system still in effect? The trailer doesn't tell me anything about this system being somehow "dumbed down" in reference to game-mechanics and game-play as such.

My point remains: I didn't enjoy Fallout & Fallout 2 for the combat, so why should I condemn Fallout 3 on *that* feature alone?

Stop basing my opinion off JUST the trailer.

As I explained my opinions are going far more then just this damn trailer.

The trailer just confirmed the Oblivion with guns look and combat.

[Bissen]

Stop basing my opinion off JUST the trailer.

As I explained my opinions are going far more then just this damn trailer.

The trailer just confirmed the Oblivion with guns look and combat.


And oblivion with guns is a bad thing clearly.

What if we call it Mass Effect with nukes instead then?

[Xzi]

And oblivion with guns is a bad thing clearly.
Yes, yes it is.

[Zokten]

And oblivion with guns is a bad thing clearly.

What if we call it Mass Effect with nukes instead then?

Still bad

[Bissen]

Yes, yes it is.


That quote would have made more sense if my post had been posted 2 pages earlier.
Here it clearly fails.

Anyways. Im outta here with this note.

STOP BASHING DAMN GAMES BEFORE YOU TRIED THEM YOUR BLODDY SELVES!
You're like fuckin 5 year old that don't wanna go to the zoo because you allready saw a rhino on tv. We'll it looks better up close.

If your gonna bash. Bash the stuff presented to us. Graphics, artistic style, sound, music etc etc. But this is completely pointless.

[Xzi]

That quote would have made more sense if my post had been posted 2 pages earlier.

Here it clearly fails.
How is that? Oblivion sucked two pages back and it sucks now.

[Red Morgan]

And oblivion with guns is a bad thing clearly.

What if we call it Mass Effect with nukes instead then?

Oblivion, despite all the things it did right, was one of the flattest and most un-immersive gaming experiences ever. Don't get me wrong, I'm playing the shit out of a heavily modded Oblivion right now and loving it. But Bethesda has proven to neglect dialogue, atmosphere and many of the important qualities that made Fallout so successful. Oblivion with guns is fine, but that does not Fallout make.

[Zokten]

Oblivion, despite all the things it did right, was one of the flattest and most un-immersive gaming experiences ever. Don't get me wrong, I'm playing the shit out of a heavily modded Oblivion right now and loving it. But Bethesda has proven to neglect dialogue, atmosphere and many of the important qualities that made Fallout so successful. Oblivion with guns is fine, but that does not Fallout make.

Indeed, we just have to really hope that Beth gives us a SDK.

That quote would have made more sense if my post had been posted 2 pages earlier.
Here it clearly fails.

Anyways. Im outta here with this note.

STOP BASHING DAMN GAMES BEFORE YOU TRIED THEM YOUR BLODDY SELVES!
You're like fuckin 5 year old that don't wanna go to the zoo because you allready saw a rhino on tv. We'll it looks better up close.

If your gonna bash. Bash the stuff presented to us. Graphics, artistic style, sound, music etc etc. But this is completely pointless.

Ok, been bashing what information has been presented to me.

So Stfu

[Xzi]

If your gonna bash. Bash the stuff presented to us. Graphics, artistic style, sound, music etc etc. But this is completely pointless.
That's exactly what I'm doing. Bethesda provided us with information on the basic game/gameplay. That's what I'm bashing. Stop being a noob.

[Geralt]

Why da hell are you criyng about the game you even didn't play! Fallout is the most awesome rpg i ever playied and i think Bethesda will not Give us a bad product.

[fizz65]

GEARS OF WAR 2 is going to be sweet dont need the shotgun to kill people now also the stopping power gow2 is going to be sick

[Loxley]

Everyone against Fallout is a tool. It is teh besstest game ever. better than dirkfall.

[Zokten]

Why da hell are you criyng about the game you even didn't play! Fallout is the most awesome rpg i ever playied and i think Bethesda will not Give us a bad product.

Seems your either sucking the Beth/Oblivion tit.

Or

You don't know to much about whats going on with Fallout 3.....

[Manfesto]

Well I think it looks great!!... ;_;

[Geralt]

I know most of the stuff bout F3. And yah you might call me Obl sucker but that game is cool.. Btw i too dont want a shooter i want that old styled fallout... I hear u can change the View's and style of plaiyng but still...

[Odium]

Why da hell are you criyng about the game you even didn't play! Fallout is the most awesome rpg i ever playied and i think Bethesda will not Give us a bad product.

ffs no one is saying Fallout sucks. Pretty much everyone here thinks the Fallout series was among the best PC games ever created. No one is denying now awesome Fallout is. What we do doubt is what has been shown to us so far. It's a completely different style of game by a completely different company. I, for one, do not trust Bethesda to create a game that lets me do anything I want, no matter how morally depraved.

[heroshade]

Anyone here believe Fallout 3 will really have 500 endings?

[DeathByCactus]

Glad they made the switch to 1st/3rd person, hopefully the game will be more fun than oblivion. Which I still got my moneys worth from.

[Zokten]

Glad they made the switch to 1st/3rd person, hopefully the game will be more fun than oblivion. Which I still got my moneys worth from.

Only if they release a SDK, which means I need to wait another year to really play it then.

[Nexus]

Anyone here believe Fallout 3 will really have 500 endings?
No.

I think what they qualify as an ending will be something like every combonation of every guy you didn't need to kill.

If I had to option to kill fred the drug lord, drew the gay prostitute and gary the killer clown thats 8 possible endings right there.

Then if I had the option to do some heroi-chems afterwards, thats 16 endings.

I think thats how they worked out 500 endings. Not 500 different ending cutscenes.