The Ps3 is dead

[Gaal]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888967p1.html

Sorry Villuin, looks like the Ps3's days are numbered.

[Mulambo]

wot about mgs4?

[[Malice]Bronson]

Gears 2 looks to be the best exclusive coming out this year.

[Fudgy_Neeples]

Ps3 has a better, more powerful system! It will outlast the xbox 360 by at least a year.

[MorkDaOrc]

Everyone knew that was going to happen but was just waiting for the announcement. When it comes to exclusives I like the PS3 games the best.

Call me a "Fanboy" but that's how I feel.

[Titus Ultor]

Lol, the console wars never ever ever get old.

[Viluin]

Have fun with your homosexual japanese game? I wouldn't have bought FFXIII.

The PS3 is still outselling the 360 btw. If the PS3 is dead the 360 must be in hell.

[Lachrymose]

but ps3 is more powerful. and it costs more! so, it must be better... right?

either way, i'm glad i got a ps3. worth it for mgs4.

[Gaal]

Mgs4 Is about the only game worth playing on that system.

[Mulambo]

are you aware that John Madden Football is also available on PS3? Are you?

[sepheroph]

Mgs4 Is about the only game worth playing on that system.

Hah..haha...hah. yeah fucking right.

Uncharted: Drakes fortune is a great game.

Folklore is fucking great too (I should beat that game...)

Oh, and lets not forget Heavenly sword.

[Viluin]

Mgs4 Is about the only game worth playing on that system.

Yes, god forbid you even try to play games such as Warhawk and Ratchet&Clank.

[Hitom]

Mgs4 Is about the only game worth playing on that system.

Tekken 6. /End thread.

[Haldred]

Hah..haha...hah. yeah fucking right.

Uncharted: Drakes fortune is a great game.

Folklore is fucking great too (I should beat that game...)

Oh, and lets not forget Heavenly sword.

What about people who hate Jrpgs...that is like 60% of the ps3 lineup...

[Viluin]

What about people who hate Jrpgs...that is like 60% of the ps3 lineup...

How about no.

[Xzi]

The PS3 still has some good games to be released, no doubt. I'm glad because otherwise my purchase would have been a waste.

BUT Final Fantasy has long been one of Playstation's big draws. This WILL have an impact on the PS3's sales. I mean, this would be like if Mario Galaxy had been released for the 360.

[Mulambo]

Tekken 6. /End thread.

BOOM! Headshot!

[Viluin]

The PS3 still has some good games to be released, no doubt. I'm glad because otherwise my purchase would have been a waste.

BUT Final Fantasy has long been one of Playstation's big draws. This WILL have an impact on the PS3's sales. I mean, this would be like if Mario Galaxy had been released for the 360.

Final Fantasy stopped being one of the most important Playstation series after FFX. The games are just shit now.

[Fro]

Lol who cares about Final fantasy? PS3 4 life!!!11!

[Xzi]

Final Fantasy stopped being one of the most important Playstation series after FFX. The games are just shit now.
I liked 12...

[sepheroph]

Yes well, I've come to the conclusion that the PS3 is more suited to the RPG type gamer than the FPS but it does come out with FPS's as well.


Which I Am.

[Gaal]

All of the "good" games mentioned that are exclusive to ps3 are mediocre. Ps3 exclusives consist of shitty japanese games and shit "american games" made by japanese people.

[Surly]

Have fun with your homosexual japanese game? I wouldn't have bought FFXIII.

The PS3 is still outselling the 360 btw. If the PS3 is dead the 360 must be in hell.
Everyone already has an XBOX.

[End Dream]

the only thing I use my ps3 for is blueray movies and that pixle junk monsters game... i will be getting FF13 for Xbox ofcourse because i want my gamer points =D

[FraBaktos]

Have fun with your homosexual japanese game? I wouldn't have bought FFXIII.

The PS3 is still outselling the 360 btw. If the PS3 is dead the 360 must be in hell.

I've heard you use final fantasy 13 as an argument for why PS 3 doesn't suck... you're such a ridiculous hypocrite.

[Dazarthas]

I mean, this would be like if Mario Galaxy had been released for the 360.

No, actually. Had this happened, the universe itself would have imploded.

I could give a shit about yet another Final Fantasy game, to be honest. I haven't even played a PS3 game yet, but the system obviously packs a lot of power that has gone untapped. The main problem is the lack of good games, I'm sure, because if the PS3 had a wide lineup that took full advantage of the system's capabilities, the Xbox 360 would fail even with an equally large lineup.

As an owner of a 360, I readily admit that the system is flawed. I've had mine show me the Red Ring of Death twice, and on both occasions I managed to fix the system on my own without using the system-frying towel method. It's the first time I've actually had a system fail on me, which speaks volumes about its hardware capacity. If anything's going to give the PS3 the advantage it needs to move ahead of the 360, it's the hardware difference. The PS3's problems seem to pale in comparison to the much-hated RROD, which has killed many consoles around the world.

Point is, the 360 is only ahead due to its impressive game lineup, whereas the only game I'd really want to have a PS3 to play is MGS4, which, by the way, didn't really increase PS3 sales that significantly. Should the PS3 gain more fun titles, however, the limitations of the 360 will be pushed when Microsoft tries to regain lost ground, which might result in even more technical problems.

Seriously though, Final Fantasy? I've never played through any of the games, and I don't intend to... JRPGs are, at their core, very much the same, so unless FFXIII has something new and innovative to offer (not very likely, given that this is well beyond the 30th game with "Final Fantasy" attached to it), this isn't going to have much of an impact at all.

[Killuminati]

What about people who hate Jrpgs...that is like 60% of the ps3 lineup...

Final Fantasy stopped being one of the most important Playstation series after FFX. The games are just shit now.

A fucking men. Also Eternal Sonata is coming to the ps3 soon so thats going to be awesome. Also if you are into JRPGs then the ps3 lineup is great. White Knight Chronicle and Tales of Vesperia are confirmed.

[t1337Dude]

Hah..haha...hah. yeah fucking right.

Uncharted: Drakes fortune is a great game.

Folklore is fucking great too (I should beat that game...)

Oh, and lets not forget Heavenly sword.

Uncharted sucks ass. It has good graphics. Other than that, it's not even considered an amazing game by anyone anyways. Just a good game. Folklore is a shitty game. And Heavenly Sword can be beaten in 2 hours.

None of which are worth buying a PS3 for.

[Killuminati]

Also Folklore was pure fail.

[Nexus]

The people that really want to play FF13 will play it on the ps3 because they are j-fanboys. I know i've got like 3 friends that bought a ps3 just for that.

Besides, games on both consoles won't mark the death for one. Thats not how it works. It just means the game company gets more money.

To mark the death of the ps3 microsoft would have to have some killer exlusives for the xbox. And I can't see them.

So bleugh.

[Paralda]

Have fun with your homosexual japanese game? I wouldn't have bought FFXIII.

The PS3 is still outselling the 360 btw. If the PS3 is dead the 360 must be in hell.

What the hell are you talking about?


Worldwide sales figures

1. Wii: 24.45 million, as of March 31, 2008
2. Xbox 360: 19 million, as of April 25, 2008
3. PlayStation 3: 13 million, as of April 21, 2008


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Current_generation

[Haldred]

NOO pararlda..don't bring up facts against fan-bois it just enrages them!!!
:eek:

[Agge]

Lol, the console wars never ever ever get old.

I disagree.

But that won't stop them no will it.

Fucking fanboys worshipping hardware like it was their religion and then fighting others over their choice...

It's quite a striking similarity ya know and just as pathetic.

[Gaal]

I disagree.

But that won't stop them no will it.

Fucking fanboys worshipping hardware like it was their religion and then fighting others over their choice...

It's quite a striking similarity ya know and just as pathetic.

I just do it because I like arguing with vilunn.

[Paralda]

NOO pararlda..don't bring up facts against fan-bois it just enrages them!!!
:eek:

True, but I like bringing facts into arguments...

Wikipedia is the best tool for arguments ever.

[spike47]

I think you guys are geting too far with this. have you forgotten it's Sony's turn tomorrow to surprise everyone?

You might hear about the following games:

God of War 3
L.A. Noire
LBP
Infamous

and maybe just maybe Final fantasy 7 :D.........:ohno:

[Xzi]

I think you guys are geting too far with this. have you forgotten it's Sony's turn tomorrow to surprise everyone?

You might hear about the following games:

God of War 3
L.A. Noire
LBP
Infamous

and maybe just maybe Final fantasy 7 :D.........:ohno:
That's what I've been wondering about for a while. PS3 isn't doing so hot right now, so why don't they just remake FF7 with next-gen graphics? Guarantee that game would sell out the first day pre-orders are released. Not to mention they'd instantly sell a ton of systems with just the announcement alone.

It's one big ace in the hole.

[Haldred]

Hey is Sword of Lixus in Hyperion Kingdom, or does everyone still hate you guys?

[Matriel]

inFamous is exclusive to PS3. Just saying.

[Viluin]

What the hell are you talking about?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Current_generation

Jesus fucking christ you retarded paraplegic monkey. You'd make a great running horse.

Look at the weekly sales. www.vgchartz.com The 360 is only ahead for now because it got a head start of 1 year.

[alfaroverall]

What the hell are you talking about?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Current_generation
I think he's referring to per day right now, which I do believe is accurate (largely because the 360 is older and of course because more people that would want one already have one). Edit: and indeed, his last post confirms this.

Anyway, wasn't this already posted earlier today? Or am I hallucinating?
That's what I've been wondering about for a while. PS3 isn't doing so hot right now, so why don't they just remake FF7 with next-gen graphics? Guarantee that game would sell out the first day pre-orders are released. Not to mention they'd instantly sell a ton of systems with just the announcement alone.

It's one big ace in the hole.
Hell that was hyped up when they made the little initial video with the PS3 engine. I have no idea why they don't do that. I still wouldn't buy a PS3 (I'd have all of 3 games to buy, i.e. FF7, FF13, and FF Versus 13) but I imagine a lot of people still would, especially if there were other games they were interested in.

Essentially, for me to buy a console, the cost of the games that I would want to buy for it in the end must be greater than or equal to the cost of the console itself. That wouldn't be the case for the PS3, even with an FF7 remake.

Also, dammit, now I'm considering, yet again, starting up that FF8 file I have on the Lunar Base and attempting to beat Omega Weapon.

[Haldred]

:eek: fact countering facts!

[Viluin]

I think he's referring to per day right now, which I do believe is accurate (largely because the 360 is older and of course because more people that would want one already have one). Edit: and indeed, his last post confirms this.

Just because a console is older does not mean it should start selling less. The PS3's sales have been rising over the past few months and the PS2's prime was well past its release date. Wii sales aren't dropping either. It's just the 360 that's dropping, probably for a good reason.

[Nexus]

:eek: fact countering facts!

I KNOW! Its insane!

[alfaroverall]

Just because a console is older does not mean it should start selling less. The PS3's sales have been rising over the past few months and the PS2's prime was well past its release date. Wii sales aren't dropping either. It's just the 360 that's dropping, probably for a good reason.
No, it doesn't mean it should, but it does make it likely and logical, especially if the majority of the games were developed early in the system's lifetime (which is almost completely unaffected by the system's developers).

Again, I'm not a 360 or even a Wii fanboi; I own neither a 360 nor a PS3 and would want to play/have played all of 7 Wii games, including Wii Sports. I'm just presenting some information that takes some, but nowhere near all, credit away from your biased statements.

[Jebsta16]

lol, you guys with your ps3's are so insecure. you try so hard to make the ps3 look good. lets face the facts here. it has technology that no one knows how to use and the xbox is easier to make games for. all the sports games are better and more and more of ps3's exclusive title list is coming out on xbox now.

if ps3 was a first gen console it would be dead right now, its going on repitation at this point.

i have a wii right now but i really want my 360 back. i just wish 360's were build a little stronger.

[Hemlawk]

Mgs4 Is about the only game worth playing on that system.

I agree but I also have Ratch&Clanks.

I also have both systems, PS3 and Xbox360. I can tell that the PS3 has nicer graphic with MGS4, that game is incredible! But I still prefer the 360 as my main console. 360 has a nicer controller, more friendly UI, and better titles imo. Plus I'm an achievement whore :)

I was actually a huge PS3 fanboy before it released. I bought a 360 just for something to play in the meantime. Now I lean more towards the 360 but Im not a fanboy of either.

If PS3 keeps releasing good exclusives, I'll buy its games, otherwise Im getting for pc or 360. Its really just my Blu-ray player.

[spike47]

Hey is Sword of Lixus in Hyperion Kingdom, or does everyone still hate you guys?

You'll have to ask our leader about that.

On topic: So what killer apps are on the xbox360 now? Only Gears of War 2 and fable 2(fable 2 just to be nice)

The PS3 has God of War 3, Final fantasy versus 13, Resistance 2, and as for new exciting IPs Infamous and Littlebigplanet.

[Nexus]

Irrelevantly, I got my ps3 so I could play all the games I definatly can never play on my pc.

Ergo MGS4, Armored core 4 etc.

My pc is still my main gaming system, as I still even now churn out hours after hours on Garrys mod, which I bought for £6.

[Leeroy]

Holy shit, Nintendo is on fire, they're selling more consoles than anyone. What the fuck is with the DS selling like air? Nearly 75 million in sales? Thats more than all the consoles combined. When did Mario become so popular?


Fuck.

[Nexus]

selling like air

I don't mean to nit-pick, but is that even a phrase? It just stuck out at me.

How can one sell air, seeing as everyone has access to all of the air, all of the time. Thus meaning air is effectively worthless.

[spike47]

air is worthless? Are you serious? :D :eek:

[alfaroverall]

Irrelevantly, I got my ps3 so I could play all the games I definatly can never play on my pc.

Ergo MGS4, Armored core 4 etc.

My pc is still my main gaming system, as I still even now churn out hours after hours on Garrys mod, which I bought for £6.
How is AC4 (if it's out)? I loved AC2, thought Another Age was kinda meh (no Arena?! wtf?) and only vaguely remember playing AC3. I only rented any of them (I played them back in the days when I rented games really often, and in fact so often that I would basically rent a game every week and almost never bought a game), though I rented AC2 and I think AC3 multiple times.

[Razli]

I don't mean to nit-pick, but is that even a phrase? It just stuck out at me.

How can one sell air, seeing as everyone has access to all of the air, all of the time. Thus meaning air is effectively worthless.

I think he means that they are seeling like air, in the fact that we need air. So they are selling like everyone needs em.

Or not? I dunno....

[Zokten]

Decided that shouldn't make a new thread for this.

But here is the new FF trailer.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36239.html

[Slypieguy]

blu-ray motherfuckers, do you use it?

I feel bad for the idiots who bought an HD-DVD addon for the 360 lol

[Xzi]

Decided that shouldn't make a new thread for this.

But here is the new FF trailer.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36239.html
Wow, win...

[Hemlawk]

blu-ray motherfuckers, do you use it?

I feel bad for the idiots who bought an HD-DVD addon for the 360 lol

I got it... cheap ;D We'll cheap 15 months ago. I also got my ps3 cheap too($250 w/ 2 games).

I love buying stuff off guys with bills they cant handle ;)

[Weeking]

Xbox is way better than Ps3 and Xbox360 IMO. Once you get it pimped.

[Haldred]

Pimp my old console? new show coming to MTV 3

[spurx]

Jesus fucking christ you retarded paraplegic monkey. You'd make a great running horse.

Look at the weekly sales. www.vgchartz.com The 360 is only ahead for now because it got a head start of 1 year.

Dude you're so naive it's incredible. The only reason it's BEHIND is because it got a "head start" of 1 year. Everyone who wants one has one by now, and thus they don't sell as much. Silly fanboys not understanding simple logic.

[stalwart]

i have all three. when i play games by myself, i like the PS3. when i have friends over, i play the Wii.

i don't really touch the xbox since i finished GoW and Mass Effect.

[alfaroverall]

Decided that shouldn't make a new thread for this.

But here is the new FF trailer.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36239.html
A shame I'm not willing to shell out the kind of money I would need to play FFXIII or Versus XIII, because they're both looking better as time goes on.

A bigger pity that I don't have any friends with 360s or PS3s who might loan them to me for a month or so while I play FFXIII and Versus.

[losinglife]

Have fun with your homosexual japanese game? I wouldn't have bought FFXIII.

The PS3 is still outselling the 360 btw. If the PS3 is dead the 360 must be in hell.

last i hear it was neck and neck for current sales.

Also 360 is doing a price cut while the ps3 isnt. That is gonna hurt the ps3 once again.

[kehmesis]

I don't get it, the article says the PS3 will have the new FF.

[Xzi]

I don't get it, the article says the PS3 will have the new FF.
Yea, the PS3 was the only console which was going to have FF13 before. It was just announced for the Xbox 360 today.

[kehmesis]

Thanks, but I still don't get the OP.

[Blackie_Chan]

Every since 7 all of the games have bordered on homoerotic storylines and main characters. I think only Top Gun has more San Francisco undertones in it than the main character designs in all of the 7+ FFs.

[Xzi]

Every since 7 all of the games have bordered on homoerotic storylines and main characters. I think only Top Gun has more San Francisco undertones in it than the main character designs in all of the 7+ FFs.
Good thing you play as a female in FF13, then.

[Viluin]

Dude you're so naive it's incredible. The only reason it's BEHIND is because it got a "head start" of 1 year. Everyone who wants one has one by now, and thus they don't sell as much. Silly fanboys not understanding simple logic.

Don't be stupid. If the 360's sales drop so soon, there's something wrong with the console. The PS2 was in its prime many years after it was released. Most consoles are. If everyone who wants one has one by now the 360 must be shit, because there were 6 times as many people with a PS2. The market didn't shrink either. You know what's simple logic? The 360 sucks.

last i hear it was neck and neck for current sales.

Also 360 is doing a price cut while the ps3 isnt. That is gonna hurt the ps3 once again.

Last I hear you're wrong.

Price cuts only temporarily boost sales. They go down to normal levels after a week or two. Especially with this cheapass $50 "price cut".

[Suitepee]

Bronson;1473256']Gears 2 looks to be the best exclusive coming out this year.

Amen to that. Hopefully it will knock Halo off for good so that competent FPS get the machinima spotlight more often. It can rule top alongside COD4.

[maskedtears]

I love my PS3 aside from the games it sounds so hot when it boots up. :p

[losinglife]

Last I hear you're wrong.

Price cuts only temporarily boost sales. They go down to normal levels after a week or two. Especially with this cheapass $50 "price cut".

please note last consol war.

[Viluin]

please note last consol war.

Your point?

[Fro]

How many have sold doesn't realy matter. The fact is i prefer my PS3 to a 360 and im glad i bought it oh and final fantasy games suck now.

[Zokten]

Amen to that. Hopefully it will knock Halo off for good so that competent FPS get the machinima spotlight more often. It can rule top alongside COD4.

To bad Gears isn't a FPS....

[losinglife]

Your point?

actually did have one about how the last price cut in the last war pretty much created the dominating winner. But i cant find the damn article i was just reading now :bang:

so disregard until i come back with it!

[Fro]

Gears of war isn't that good. Apart from Gears of war 2 what other big exclusives have they got left?

[Viluin]

Gears of war isn't that good. Apart from Gears of war 2 whih other big exclusives have they got left?

Gears of War isn't even an exclusive.

[Fro]

Gears of War isn't even an exclusive.

True, good old PC.

[Suitepee]

True, good old PC.

WRONG! EPIC FAIL!

Trust me,the PC version is inferior to the 360 version. My PC should be able to run GoW smoother than the 360,yet it does not despite exceeding ALL the recommended specs.

And yes,I own both versions.

The frame-rate is slow most times,the shooting feels laggy,the loading times are ridiculous and although the graphics are better the gameplay feels jerkier,less fluent and slower.
The keyboard controls suck. I'd like to know how to hook up a wireless 360 controller to play it since it's apparently usable,that would help.

Now unless my Nvidia GeForce 8400 HD 512MB with 4GB RAM and 2.4 Ghz x2 Intel Duo Core processors are not good enough,why should I pay £600+ just to buy a PC capable of running Gears as smoothly as the 360 version.

Atop that,the lag factor in multiplayer is shocking. You can literally do lag glitches not even possible in the 360 version.

I'm sorry,but GoW's true home will remain the 360. Don't worry Viluin though; you'll get a chance to play it since you have that 360-owning buddy of yours. :D

[Fro]

WRONG! EPIC FAIL!

Trust me,the PC version is inferior to the 360 version. My PC should be able to run GoW smoother than the 360,yet it does not despite exceeding ALL the recommended specs.

And yes,I own both versions.

The frame-rate is slow most times,the shooting feels laggy,the loading times are ridiculous and although the graphics are better the gameplay feels jerkier,less fluent and slower.
The keyboard controls suck. I'd like to know how to hook up a wireless 360 controller to play it since it's apparently usable,that would help.

Now unless my Nvidia GeForce 8400 HD 512MB with 4GB RAM and 2.4 Ghz x2 Intel Duo Core processors are not good enough,why should I pay £600+ just to buy a PC capable of running Gears as smoothly as the 360 version.

Atop that,the lag factor in multiplayer is shocking. You can literally do lag glitches not even possible in the 360 version.

I'm sorry,but GoW's true home will remain the 360. Don't worry Viluin though; you'll get a chance to play it since you have that 360-owning buddy of yours. :D

firstly why would you want 2 copies of a crappy game?
Secondly i never said it was better on pc i was just agreeing that since it comes out for both the pc and the 360 its not an exclusive and if i realy wanted i could get it for pc.

[Viluin]

Now unless my Nvidia GeForce 8400 HD 512MB with 4GB RAM and 2.4 Ghz x2 Intel Duo Core processors are not good enough,why should I pay £600+ just to buy a PC capable of running Gears as smoothly as the 360 version.


Lol, just lol? You're surprised Gears of War did not run smoothly on your extremely shitty budget system? The graphics card in the Xbox 360 is a lot more powerful than yours. Of course it's gonna run better on the 360. idiot.

A $800 PC would be able to run GOW with DX10 graphics that look much better than on the 360. Smoothly.

[Viluin]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36316.html

The 360 won't have this game. That's why the 360 sucks.


And yes, it was announced before The Force Unleashed.

[jonyak]

Now unless my Nvidia GeForce 8400 HD 512MB with 4GB RAM and 2.4 Ghz x2 Intel Duo Core processors are not good enough,why should I pay £600+ just to buy a PC capable of running Gears as smoothly as the 360 version.


I love it when people think they have these awesome graphics cards, but they really have one of the shittiest ones available. plus, what model of processor do you have? what is your FSB speed? these are things that are very important.

plus unless you are running a 64 bit system, you are only gonna be able to use 3.5 gig of ram at most.

[Matriel]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36316.html

The 360 won't have this game. That's why the 360 sucks.


And yes, it was announced before The Force Unleashed.

I already posted about inFamous noob.

[Viluin]

I already posted about inFamous noob.

And I posted about it again.

[Matriel]

And I posted about it again.

Redundancy is not necessary.

[Fro]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36316.html

The 360 won't have this game. That's why the 360 sucks.


And yes, it was announced before The Force Unleashed.

Doesn't look that amazing...

[Killuminati]

Lol, just lol? You're surprised Gears of War did not run smoothly on your extremely shitty budget system? The graphics card in the Xbox 360 is a lot more powerful than yours. Of course it's gonna run better on the 360. idiot.

A $800 PC would be able to run GOW with DX10 graphics that look much better than on the 360. Smoothly.

Haha, freaking pwnt.

[Viluin]

Doesn't look that amazing...

I bet you said the same thing about your penis before you had that sex change operation.

[Killuminati]

I bet you said the same thing about your penis before you had that sex change operation.

Oh my god for some reason I bursted out laughing.

[Viluin]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36208.html

US getting pwned by aliens. Can't go wrong.

[alfaroverall]

Every since 7 all of the games have bordered on homoerotic storylines and main characters. I think only Top Gun has more San Francisco undertones in it than the main character designs in all of the 7+ FFs.
...? I can very vaguely see it in 7 with Sephiroth, who is the antagonist anyway. I can't see it at all in 8 (Squall is an emotional character in some ways but he's far from ****.) After that I definitely see what you're saying (9, 10 and 12; 10-2 doesn't count since the main characters are female in the first place).

I'm a fanboy of the series before 10-2, sure, but even if I look at it objectively, I can't see how Cloud is at all ****. Except perhaps in his admiration for Sephiroth, which goes away by the time the game starts.

[Fro]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36208.html

US getting pwned by aliens. Can't go wrong.

60 players online should be interesting...

[Suitepee]

I love it when people think they have these awesome graphics cards, but they really have one of the shittiest ones available. plus, what model of processor do you have? what is your FSB speed? these are things that are very important.

plus unless you are running a 64 bit system, you are only gonna be able to use 3.5 gig of ram at most.

Fact is,the specs I have exceed those recommended. I can turn everything down to low and it runs a little better,but it's still crap.
So basically the recommended specs were bullshit,and should have been higher.

And guess what? I don't have the money for mega-ultra-super I have 4.0 Ghz Quad Cores and Geforce 9X PC's.
I spent £600 on this new PC,and it works a treat. As long as it can play Darkfall I don't give two shits about graphics.
It runs AoC ok too on lowest settings,although granted AoC is a pile of shit.
I'm considering getting a 8800GT at some point when some money comes in.

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40 GHz 2.40 GHz
32-bit operating system. (Hell,3.5 GB RAM suits me,although I'm using 4GB obviously.)

Dunno how to view FSB Speed on Vista.

Furthermore,Viluin I truely hope you're not one of those 'more players = better' morons regards Resistance 2.

I bought GoW for the PC because of the extra content,it was only £20 and I wanted to test my new PC out with a modern game.

[Uzik]

Wow.

First they lose GTAIV, now FF.


Sony must really be sucking a dick with their whole developer relations strategy.

I mean, they showed all their "exclusive" games, and aside from MGS, they were all weird random shit that only 4 year olds would play.

Once Xbox comes up with a blue-ray player, PS3 will have no purpose.

[Fro]

Once Xbox comes up with a blue-ray player, PS3 will have no purpose.

No that would probably cost the Xbox its price advantage.

[Niccoli]

So, uh, I'm sure someone else already mentioned this, but from that article:


Although no specific release date was confirmed, it was announced that the RPG will launch simultaneously on the Xbox 360 and PS3 in both the US and Europe.


If they did already, whatever, I'm too lazy to search the thread...

[alfaroverall]

Wow.

First they lose GTAIV, now FF.


Sony must really be sucking a dick with their whole developer relations strategy.

I mean, they showed all their "exclusive" games, and aside from MGS, they were all weird random shit that only 4 year olds would play.

Once Xbox comes up with a blue-ray player, PS3 will have no purpose.
They didn't mention the fate of Versus XIII, which is really more hyped than XIII by what I can see (since it's basically KH gameplay meets FF storytelling).

[jonyak]

And guess what? I don't have the money for mega-ultra-super I have 4.0 Ghz Quad Cores and Geforce 9X PC's.
I spent £600 on this new PC,and it works a treat. As long as it can play Darkfall I don't give two shits about graphics.
It runs AoC ok too on lowest settings,although granted AoC is a pile of shit.
I'm considering getting a 8800GT at some point when some money comes in.

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40 GHz 2.40 GHz
32-bit operating system. (Hell,3.5 GB RAM suits me,although I'm using 4GB obviously.)

Dunno how to view FSB Speed on Vista.


You don't need a quad core. one of the new 45nm core 2 duos is quite cheap <$200 and much better. the 8800gt is definately the way to go. and you can get one for <200$.

[Uzik]

No that would probably cost the Xbox its price advantage.

I would probably be an add-on, just like the HD DVD was.


Consoles are funny teehee.

[Fro]

I would probably be an add-on, just like the HD DVD was.


Consoles are funny teehee.

I thought i read somewhere they were just releasing a 360 with blue ray but it seems they're doing both. Lol at HD DVD though, what a flop.

[Viluin]

You don't need a quad core. one of the new 45nm core 2 duos is quite cheap <$200 and much better. the 8800gt is definately the way to go. and you can get one for <200$.

You can get a HD4850 for $199 (Less with a rebate), and it will crap all over the 8800GT. No ordinary crap mind you, pure liquid crap. So liquid that it's transparent.

[Viluin]

Fact is,the specs I have exceed those recommended. I can turn everything down to low and it runs a little better,but it's still crap.
So basically the recommended specs were bullshit,and should have been higher.

You do not exceed the recommended specs. You're not even CLOSE.

Your graphics card is roughly on par with the minimum requirements, perhaps a bit faster. The minimum system requirements are required to make the game playable at very low settings.

[Everto]

Mgs4 Is about the only game worth playing on that system.

that's still the only reason I'd get a Ps3. <_<
everything else isn't my game.

like I don't play Kingdom Hearts, or any of that good stuff.

edit;
hey guys, the wii is winning.
why don't you guys ever hop up on that and badtalk that one?

[Shoku]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888967p1.html

Sorry Villuin, looks like the Ps3's days are numbered.

Oh, I know, isn't it great?

[Uzik]

My PC is soo powerful that it can run your mom on full settings.

[BladeSLicer]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888967p1.html

Sorry Villuin, looks like the Ps3's days are numbered.

There's a couple of games that, having always played them on playstation, I wish to continue playing them on playstation. Final Fantasy is one of them (though, admittedly I first played it on nintendo) and, considering they always seem to have the most amazing graphics in those video cut-a-ways, I really wanna see this new game use the most powerful system.

That, Grand Theft Auto, eh Dynasty Warriors.. I'm sure there's a couple others, I want to see on Playstation.

Not that it matters, though, for my playstation for literally no fucking reason doesn't read games anymore (I turned it off, never touched it for 3 days, turned it on, and it wasn't working) and the gd thing is brand new too.

[Suitepee]

You can get a HD4850 for $199 (Less with a rebate), and it will crap all over the 8800GT. No ordinary crap mind you, pure liquid crap. So liquid that it's transparent.

What website?
I did want a 8800GT or equivalent; the problem was that PC World's decent-priced 'gaming PC' lacked some of the features that this one had; only had 2GB RAM for one thing,and I wanted upwards of 2GB RAM for my new PC. Also didn't have a 512MB graphics memory processor if I recall.

I do intend to upgrade my graphics card at some point. Is it easy to do yourself?

In all honesty though,as long as Darkfall runs ok I'm content with my PC as it stands. I'm playing a fair amount of old school games at the moment; Arena,Daggerfall is in the airmail post,Wolfenstein 3D.

[Dwhap]

Ps3 has a better, more powerful system! It will outlast the xbox 360 by at least a year.

Lol

[Viluin]

What website?
I did want a 8800GT or equivalent; the problem was that PC World's decent-priced 'gaming PC' lacked some of the features that this one had; only had 2GB RAM for one thing,and I wanted upwards of 2GB RAM for my new PC. Also didn't have a 512MB graphics memory processor if I recall.

I do intend to upgrade my graphics card at some point. Is it easy to do yourself?

In all honesty though,as long as Darkfall runs ok I'm content with my PC as it stands. I'm playing a fair amount of old school games at the moment; Arena,Daggerfall is in the airmail post,Wolfenstein 3D.

Yeah, a 512MB graphics memory processor is vital.

I'm speechless.

[Mippoose]

Have fun with your homosexual japanese game? I wouldn't have bought FFXIII.

The PS3 is still outselling the 360 btw. If the PS3 is dead the 360 must be in hell.

Have fun playing your ****-erotic Metal gear game.

Faggot.

[Mippoose]

You can get a HD4850 for $199 (Less with a rebate), and it will crap all over the 8800GT. No ordinary crap mind you, pure liquid crap. So liquid that it's transparent.

The 8800Gt can be found for 130's with rebate and the 4850 can be found in the 150's more than like low 160's with rebate.

The 4850 is a lot more powerful but keep in mind some people have this card idling at 80C unless they force ther fans to 60% at all time lowering temps to 60's or 70's and makingg it sound like a jet engine.

The way to go right now would be a dual slot 8800GTS(g92) as it has comparible power to the 4850, it's cooler, cheaper with rebates, and has (imo) better official drivers at the time being.

For high end the 4870 is definatly the pick of the bunch for price to performance. expect 8800GT's to hit rock bottom soon ~100$ or less. Gigabyte already has an old 256mb 8800GT at 60$ after rebates.

Yeah, a 512MB graphics memory processor is vital.

I'm speechless.

512 is reccomended for 1440x900 and up.

If someone is gaming on an old CRT 19" and below a 256mb VRAM is more than sufficient.

[Leeroy]

I'm a Ps3 fan, and even I can admit that the Ps3 was a bit of a flop, sure it has more power, big fricken deal, nobody will ever make a game that brings the Ps3 to its limit. Sony knew what was coming too, hence the reason they began work on the "Ps4" before the Ps3 was launched.

Edit: Resistance 2 is going waay farther than allot of games, 60 player online, and a total fuckload of enemies in campaign. I see many a shit-your-pants moment coming, look at the trailer with grims...jesusfuckingchrist.

[Maglubiyet]

If you have G4 you can watch Play Station destroy E3

[Lyllyth]

here ya go
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/84-Console-Rundown

[[Malice]Bronson]

Well so far it looks like playstation isn't bringing anything that great to the table.

[Maglubiyet]

Hows is the downloadable content not bringing anything to the table. Also the fact that they announced it today and said, it will be available tonight... I think thats pretty impressive.

[Viluin]

The 8800Gt can be found for 130's with rebate and the 4850 can be found in the 150's more than like low 160's with rebate.

The 4850 is a lot more powerful but keep in mind some people have this card idling at 80C unless they force ther fans to 60% at all time lowering temps to 60's or 70's and makingg it sound like a jet engine.

The way to go right now would be a dual slot 8800GTS(g92) as it has comparible power to the 4850, it's cooler, cheaper with rebates, and has (imo) better official drivers at the time being.

The 8800GTS 512 is not nearly as powerful as the HD4850.


For high end the 4870 is definatly the pick of the bunch for price to performance. expect 8800GT's to hit rock bottom soon ~100$ or less. Gigabyte already has an old 256mb 8800GT at 60$ after rebates.

The 256MB 8800GT is actually worse than the 256MB HD3850.



512 is reccomended for 1440x900 and up.

If someone is gaming on an old CRT 19" and below a 256mb VRAM is more than sufficient.

I was laughing at the way he worded it.

[Zokten]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36316.html

The 360 won't have this game. That's why the 360 sucks.


And yes, it was announced before The Force Unleashed.

Truthfully that games looks bad imo.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36208.html

US getting pwned by aliens. Can't go wrong.

They better make this one WAY better then the 1st one....

[Hemlawk]

buy both systems and a gaming rig. Problem solved! :) Thats what I did. Now I need to find a place that sells HD-dvds cheap ;D


Little Big Planet looks fun for PS3
GoW2 will rock for 360

Best of both worlds :D (or all 3 with pc)

[Silt]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888967p1.html

Sorry Villuin, looks like the Ps3's days are numbered.

WOW. Ok so if I go to the PS3 section and pick out a game there (with their fanbois) I guess the 360 is dead? Seriously check a evenly split (as if that exists) forum for consoles and come up with something less biased. Villuin, the PS3 is only just catching up now and don't get your panties in a bunch, I to prefer the PS3 over anything xbox I just don't let my love for a piece of hardware over come me.

[Xinnro]

Consoles are for fags in general.

[Silt]

Consoles are for fags in general.

Qouted due to me possibly having to change my sig.. you just screwed my track record of thread killing Xinnro...

[Jangang]

I'm gonna have to agree with Xinnro,

... And not just because of the hot Asian chick in his sig.
Though that doesn't hurt his case,
Not in the slightest. :D

[heroshade]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/888/888967p1.html

Sorry Villuin, looks like the Ps3's days are numbered.

That ok. Red ring will take care of that in a jiffy.


Isn't it funny that all the 360 fanbois have called final fantasy shit until this little incident?

[Jangang]

That ok. Red ring will take care of that in a jiffy.


Isn't it funny that all the 360 fanbois have called final fantasy shit until this little incident?

Well it is Shit.

Before it was Sony Exclusive Shit,
... Now its uh, Open Shit!?!?

[heroshade]

Oh, and lets not forget Heavenly sword.


Yes, because God of War wasn't shitty enough?

[Blackie_Chan]

I'm gonna have to agree with Xinnro,


... And not just because of the hot Asian chick in his sig.
Though that doesn't hurt his case,

Not in the slightest. :D
WTF is this, did everyone get yellow fever? 1 hot asian chick in a sig and now everyone wants to play with Xinnro's hairy bean bag?

I mean where is the love for spread eagle chix getting slayed by African Jesus? I mean if that doesn't scream, "Give me more attention than Xinnro what does?

[Matriel]

WTF is this, did everyone get yellow fever? 1 hot asian chick in a sig and now everyone wants to play with Xinnro's hairy bean bag?

I mean where is the love for spread eagle chix getting slayed by African Jesus? I mean if that doesn't scream, "Give me more attention than Xinnro what does?

Your pic is too small.

[Jangang]

WTF is this, did everyone get yellow fever? 1 hot asian chick in a sig and now everyone wants to play with Xinnro's hairy bean bag?

I mean where is the love for spread eagle chix getting slayed by African Jesus? I mean if that doesn't scream, "Give me more attention than Xinnro what does?

Is this a new sig? I either haven't seen it, or I'm just blind.

Maybe add a fourth pic with gratuitous cleavage! :D

[heroshade]

All I'm getting with this thread is that they can't find any good exclusive since Halo 3 fell to shit, so they decided to get something that has been a sony exclusive for the better part of the decade, prompting people to renew their faith in the 360. I've said this before and I'm going to say it again. Halo 3 was the end of the 360. Whether you want to believe that or not, it's true. Besides. I'll stick with my PC, seeing as how every greatly anticipated game is a shooter.

[Jangang]

All I'm getting with this thread is that they can't find any good exclusive since Halo 3 fell to shit, so they decided to get something that has been a sony exclusive for the better part of the decade, prompting people to renew their faith in the 360. I've said this before and I'm going to say it again. Halo 3 was the end of the 360. Whether you want to believe that or not, it's true. Besides. I'll stick with my PC, seeing as how every greatly anticipated game is a shooter.

LOL,
I wouldn't buy Halo 3 even if it was the best FPS ever to be made on a console.

Consoles and FPS's just don't jive right.

[Geralt]

Ps3 is the most next-gen console of them all. ps3 will last about 7years. its like 15times more technologickly advanced then xbox360..

[Blackie_Chan]

Your pic is too small.Yeah, but mandingo likes small women

Is this a new sig? I either haven't seen it, or I'm just blind.

Maybe add a fourth pic with gratuitous cleavage!
No you are just really slow, I have had this new one for months now.

[epicor]

Protoype and this are the exact same game just from the trailer. They even have the same scene of the a dude jumping from a high roof and landing in the street. So take your pick.

[heroshade]

Yeah, but mandingo likes small women

Nice sigpic Xinnro. Kudos.

...


(I thought you were gay?)

[Xzi]

Ps3 is the most next-gen console of them all. ps3 will last about 7years. its like 15times more technologickly advanced then xbox360..
The Xbox 360 has a better graphics card. The only thing that the PS3 has on the 360 is a faster processor(s).

When they release the next Xbox, Sony will release the next Playstation in order to keep up with them. The PS3 isn't going to last any longer than the Xbox 360.

[Xzi]

Protoype and this are the exact same game just from the trailer. They even have the same scene of the a dude jumping from a high roof and landing in the street. So take your pick.
Prototype and FF13 are the same game?

Wow, just...wow.

[heroshade]

The Xbox 360 has a better graphics card. The only thing that the PS3 has on the 360 is a faster processor(s).

When they release the next Xbox, Sony will release the next Playstation in order to keep up with them. The PS3 isn't going to last any longer than the Xbox 360.

I'm going to make a master system that plays every game. If anyone tries to sue me, I'll maim them with a pineapple.

[Blackie_Chan]

I'm going to make a master system that plays every game. If anyone tries to sue me, I'll maim them with a pineapple.I would make them jerk off with a cheese grater and icy hot.

[heroshade]

I would make them jerk off with a cheese grater and icy hot.

You are a very cruel man. Want a job?

[Geralt]

Watahell better graphic card? I heard that ps3 is 32x times better then ps2.

[SkullPizza]

I considered buying a ps3 for it's bluray player and exclusives but now it seems that theres only one exclusive I'd actually care to have from them and that's GoW 3. That game alone is not enough to make me want to buy one.

I think I'll just buy two bluray players for my new comp I'm building and one for my old comp so I can take my old comp into my living room and use that as my player instead.

There's really no reason for me to get a ps3 now.

[heroshade]

I considered buying a ps3 for it's bluray player and exclusives but now it seems that theres only one exclusive I'd actually care to have from them and that's GoW 3. That game alone is not enough to make me want to buy one.

I think I'll just buy two bluray players for my new comp I'm building and one for my old comp so I can take my old comp into my living room and use that as my player instead.

There's really no reason for me to get a ps3 now.

Wow.... God of War? Really? Can't you just watch 300 and mash buttons on your PS2 controller?

[SkullPizza]

Wow.... God of War? Really? Can't you just watch 300 and mash buttons on your PS2 controller?

are you seriously gonna attack me because i like the god of war series? i mean, it's not like i'm alone here.

[Blackie_Chan]

You are a very cruel man. Want a job?As long as getting to work at 8 o'clock is on CP time.

[Nani]

Lol, just lol? You're surprised Gears of War did not run smoothly on your extremely shitty budget system? The graphics card in the Xbox 360 is a lot more powerful than yours. Of course it's gonna run better on the 360. idiot.

A $800 PC would be able to run GOW with DX10 graphics that look much better than on the 360. Smoothly.

I hope you do realise 1 pound equals 2 dollars. Making it 1200 a dollar system, which is considerably more expensive than 800 dollar PC you where talking about.

Just thought I'd point this out to you...

[heroshade]

are you seriously gonna attack me because i like the god of war series? i mean, it's not like i'm alone here.

Yes I am, and yes you are.

[SkullPizza]

Yes I am, and yes you are.

i see, amazing. i didn't realize that one customer could motivate millions in game development resources.

[heroshade]

i see, amazing. i didn't realize that one customer could motivate millions in game development resources.

Yeah, I was surprised to. Anyway, back on topic

PS3 is not dead.

[alfaroverall]

Protoype and this are the exact same game just from the trailer. They even have the same scene of the a dude jumping from a high roof and landing in the street. So take your pick.
lolwut?

Doing some reading on Prototype, the game looks kind of like Parasite Eve, except you're the antagonist this time.

[Xzi]

Watahell better graphic card? I heard that ps3 is 32x times better then ps2.
Oh, ok. You're trolling. Makes more sense now.

[Killuminati]

Wow.... God of War? Really? Can't you just watch 300 and mash buttons on your PS2 controller?

uh, fail?

[heroshade]

uh, fail?

success.

It isn't very hard to write random two-word posts now is it?

[Jangang]

Yeah, but mandingo likes small womenNo you are just really slow, I have had this new one for months now.

Well, it must be the size thing as Matriel said.

And I agree that GOW is a good series. I'm not gonna buy a PS3 for it, but those games rock. (As much as console games can anyway.)

[NewRage]

Glad to know I can spend two weeks in Alaska and forumfall stays the same. What is the point of making threads like these all the time? I read a few pages of the original (what was that about a year ago?) and barely skim them the rest of the time. Here is what I've picked up:

Wii wins for sales, but for some reason is the least amount of fun to play (except in drunk groups).

360 is the most fun/affordable ratio, but Microsoft is still in the red from their consoles (including game sales), so X-box fails

PS3 has best graphics but not worth the money except for anyone who bought one (even thought it includes a blu-ray players)

Is that about right?

[Zokten]

I'm in full lol over DC Universe Online

[Kaahli]

Mgs4 Is about the only game worth playing on that system.

Hey dude - go and practice guitar heroes and come back ;)

[Killuminati]

success.

It isn't very hard to write random two-word posts now is it?

It must be hard to realize how you fail.

[Blackie_Chan]

Hey dude - go and practice guitar heroes and come back ;)Can anyone explain to me the fun of guitar hero? I can understand DDR since it gets ridiculous and requires alot of coordination, but GH? Seriously, I played it for 5 minutes and felt repetive as shit.

I mean seriously what is dynamic about it at all.

[Xzi]

Can anyone explain to me the fun of guitar hero? I can understand DDR since it gets ridiculous and requires alot of coordination, but GH? Seriously, I played it for 5 minutes and felt repetive as shit.

I mean seriously what is dynamic about it at all.
I prefer Rock Band because I like singing and making an ass out of myself after getting drunk.

But both games for me are just about the music. Just like listening to some of the songs while playing, really.

[Marrik]

Tekken 6. /End thread.

i cant stand fighting games other than MK, they are all just a slightly different version of the same game where 2 dudes wail on each other.


and MK is that too, only it ends with one of the fighters dying in a hardcore, ultraviolent manner, which makes it infinitely more fun to me.

[Leeroy]

Holy shit, a new Red Faction game is coming...dude, thats better than a zombie apocalypse. Fuck. I need a 360/Ps3 now.

[Dark Necron]

Ok, Final Fantasy XIII is looking revolutionary...again...

Oh, and btw, FAIL.

[heroshade]

Yeah, red faction is what motivated me to start saving my awesome 6.90 and hour 18 hours a week salary so I can buy one.

[Everto]

That ok. Red ring will take care of that in a jiffy.


Isn't it funny that all the 360 fanbois have called final fantasy shit until this little incident?

I personally just don't care for it.
But I just find this a turning point in LOL history.

[Dark Necron]

Yeah, red faction is what motivated me to start saving my awesome 6.90 and hour 18 hours a week salary so I can buy one.

the minimum pay in Oregon is 7.95 per hour. :)

[heroshade]

the minimum pay in Oregon is 7.95 per hour. :)

*sigh* wish I still lived in Oregon.

And I honestly think my company is fucking me, because I KNOW 6.90 isn't minimum wage here.

[losinglife]

My PC is soo powerful that it can run your mom on full settings.

awesome hahaha

[Suitepee]

LOL,
I wouldn't buy Halo 3 even if it was the best FPS ever to be made on a console.

Consoles and FPS's just don't jive right.


Halo 3 is a terrible example of a console FPS. It changed from being a skillful game to a 'auto-assist kiddie game' in one sequel!
Forge/Theatre is good though,but the actual gameplay sucks.

Gears of War is a great example of a well-made console FPS. Gears of War 2 is only going to make it better and more tactical.

Furthermore,I've never been a fan of Final RandomBattle Fantasy. I'm playing TES:Arena and it has more depth than any FF I've ever played in 3D.

[Fro]

Halo 3 is a terrible example of a console FPS. It changed from being a skillful game to a 'auto-assist kiddie game' in one sequel!
Forge/Theatre is good though,but the actual gameplay sucks.

Gears of War is a great example of a well-made console FPS. Gears of War 2 is only going to make it better and more tactical.

Furthermore,I've never been a fan of Final RandomBattle Fantasy. I'm playing TES:Arena and it has more depth than any FF I've ever played in 3D.

Its not an FPS though its a third person shooter.

[Viluin]

Killzone 2 Online details:
• 32 Players
• 'Badges' (means tweakable TF like classes. Basically you can mix two classes of your choice or keep one singular focused one. Primary & Secondary skills.)
• Clan Valor points (clans (64players max) bet against each other before a match, winners take all. New clan starts with 100 points)
• You unlock more stuff as you level up, ranks, ribbons, medals, trophies
• Five game modes including Assassination, Body Count, Search & Destroy, Search & Retrieve
• Built in system for regular Clan Tournaments (a ladder supports 256 clans)
• Eight maps currently (some made for as low as 12 players while others for 32 players)
• Dynamic missions: Comp controls, one round might be Body Count, next (all within same match) might be Assassination..etc
• Global dedicated servers
• Killzone.com will keep track of all stats
• KZ2 is more or less feature complete (no co-op or split screen), six more months of polish and tuning[/COLOR] [I][COLOR=#000000]Killzone 2 Badge System:

Rather than adhere to a rigid character class system, Killzone 2’s online mode allows the player to mix abilities from different roles to better suit his / her preferred style of play. Abilities are represented by badges: the primary badge defines the main role of the player character, as well as its outward appearance, while the secondary badge serves as a complementary ability that enhances the main role.

Although their player characters look different, both Helghast and ISA factions have the same set of roles and badges to choose from. Here they are, from left to right:

Rifleman:
The default multiplayer character is assigned when no primary badge is selected. A secondary badge may still be added. Riflemen can start with most weapons, except for the specialized ones.

Engineer:
Primary badge ability: Sets up an automated turret which targets the enemy.
Secondary badge ability: Repairs ammunition dispensers, mounted guns, and automated turrets.

Medic:
Primary badge ability: Revives downed team mates.
Secondary badge ability: Throws a health pack, which can be picked up by other players.

Scout:
Primary badge ability: Uses a cloaking suit to become near-invisible.
Secondary badge ability: Tags all on-screen enemy players with a hidden marker, which broadcasts their coordinates to team mates.

Assault:
Primary badge ability: Dons heavy armour twice as strong as normal.
Secondary badge ability: Temporarily boosts running speed.

Tactician:
Primary badge ability: Throws a coloured smoke grenade, which serves as a spawn point.
Secondary badge ability: Requests air support from a sentry bot which targets the enemy.

Saboteur:
Primary badge ability: Assumes the disguise of a randomly selected enemy player.
Secondary badge ability: Throws a sticky, proximity-activated C-4 charge.


32 players. Secondary badges (= More diversity amongst players because there are many different combinations). Built-in clan tournaments. Clans can bet against each other. Valor points will probably be good for something. Also, DEDICATED SERVERS FUCK YEAH! Say goodbye to lag, people. Just like Resistance. I'm still not sure why Microsoft isn't offering them.

GG Halo. GG Gears of War.

[Nexus]

32 players. Secondary badges (= More diversity amongst players because there are many different combinations). Built-in clan tournaments. Clans can bet against each other. Valor points will probably be good for something. Also, DEDICATED SERVERS FUCK YEAH! Say goodbye to lag, people. Just like Resistance. I'm still not sure why Microsoft isn't offering them.

GG Halo. GG Gears of War.

Don't forget MAG with 256 players.

[Viluin]

Don't forget MAG with 256 players.

True, that one sounds very interesting as well. It has never been done before on a console. Resistance 2 will do something similar btw, but with 60 players. The two opposing teams will also consist of squads, each with their own objectives and rival squads, but everyone will still be on the same map. Squads can abandon their objectives to go and help other squads if necessary.

I like where the PS3 is going in terms of online play. All but one or two 360 games are limited to 16 players or less. None offer 32, let alone 60 or 256. It's because Microsoft is too cheap to set up dedicated servers. You really need them for 24+ players, because very few people are capable of hosting such games with no lag.

[Ankh]

32 players. Secondary badges (= More diversity amongst players because there are many different combinations). Built-in clan tournaments. Clans can bet against each other. Valor points will probably be good for something. Also, DEDICATED SERVERS FUCK YEAH! Say goodbye to lag, people. Just like Resistance. I'm still not sure why Microsoft isn't offering them.

GG Halo. GG Gears of War.

Most of those classes look as if they were ripped straight from Quake Wars.

I can guarantee you the game will feel like a half-assed cod4/quake wars hybrid. From the vids so far, it seems like every other shitty generic shooter.

Oh, and console multiplayer that isn't split screen isn't worth playing.

If you want to play competitive online shooters, the pc is the only platform that offers a rewarding experience. Unless the game has a chainsaw. And I still haven't seen a chainsaw in Killzone 2, so GG.

[Viluin]

Most of those classes look as if they were ripped straight from Quake Wars.

I can guarantee you the game will feel like a half-assed cod4/quake wars hybrid. From the vids so far, it seems like every other shitty generic shooter.

Oh, and console multiplayer that isn't split screen isn't worth playing.

If you want to play competitive online shooters, the pc is the only platform that offers a rewarding experience. Unless the game has a chainsaw. And I still haven't seen a chainsaw in Killzone 2, so GG.

Where do you think Quake Wars got those classes from you moron? Like the quote says, they're Team Fortress-like classes. Many games use them. No game allows you to combine two classes though. It's also the only modern FPS with a cover system. Kinda like Gears of War and others, except that this time shooting blind really is shooting blind because a first-person camera doesn't allow you to cheat and peek over walls.

Yes, I know Rainbow Six Vegas 2 has a cover system, but the camera switches to third person when you're behind cover so you can still exploit the camera to peek. It's like a mild version of a wallhack. It's very annoying online when people can see you coming even though they shouldn't be able to.

[Suitepee]

32 players. Secondary badges (= More diversity amongst players because there are many different combinations). Built-in clan tournaments. Clans can bet against each other. Valor points will probably be good for something. Also, DEDICATED SERVERS FUCK YEAH! Say goodbye to lag, people. Just like Resistance. I'm still not sure why Microsoft isn't offering them.

GG Halo. GG Gears of War.

Not really. I'll just play TF2/Quake Wars if I want a class-based shooter. I'll play Gears if I want an unique shooter experience,thanks.

Does K2 have 'Meatflag'? Grenades that can be stuck in walls? Concussive blast knockover smoke grenades? A mobile shield that can be stuck in the ground? The ability to use downed players as mobile 'hostage' cover? A decent 'Assassination/VIP' style gametype? Stopping power from bullets that slows you down as you run towards enemies?

Care to counter-argue against all that,Mr.Viluin?

Atop that,more isn't necessarily better. I knew you'd use the numbers argument like a dumb mongrel.

Lastly,K2 doesn't sound all that great from what you describe there.

[Viluin]

Not really. I'll just play TF2/Quake Wars if I want a class-based shooter. I'll play Gears if I want an unique shooter experience,thanks.

Does K2 have 'Meatflag'? Grenades that can be stuck in walls? Concussive blast knockover smoke grenades? A mobile shield that can be stuck in the ground? The ability to use downed players as mobile 'hostage' cover? A decent 'Assassination/VIP' style gametype? Stopping power from bullets that slows you down as you run towards enemies?

Care to counter-argue against all that,Mr.Viluin?

Atop that,more isn't necessarily better. I knew you'd use the numbers argument like a dumb mongrel.

Lastly,K2 doesn't sound all that great from what you describe there.

K2 offers more than TF2 and Quake Wars. Gears of War is shit because of the third person camera exploit and it always will be.

[Suitepee]

K2 offers more than TF2 and Quake Wars. Gears of War is shit because of the third person camera exploit and it always will be.

'Third person camera exploit'? What you talking about?
The TPV is so tight it doesn't really ruin anything.

The only truely annoying glitch in Gears is the 'sticky corner' bug that traps you when you try to roll off cover sometimes for about 5-10 seconds,which was painfully introduced around the time Epic tried tweaking the cover system and fixing exploits around June-July 2007.
It's not a game-killer though by any means,because it happens quite rarely.

First it was good.
Then it was too sticky.
Then they reverted back and this new exploit remained to taint GoW.

[Viluin]

'Third person camera exploit'? What you talking about?
The TPV is so tight it doesn't really ruin anything.

The only truely annoying glitch in Gears is the 'sticky corner' bug that traps you when you try to roll off cover sometimes for about 5-10 seconds,which was painfully introduced around the time Epic tried tweaking the cover system and fixing exploits around June-July 2007.
It's not a game-killer though by any means,because it happens quite rarely.

First it was good.
Then it was too sticky.
Then they reverted back and this new exploit remained to taint GoW.

1. Sit behind cover.
2. Use the third person camera to peek past your cover without exposing yourself (On par with wallhack).
3. Kill any unsuspecting players walking in your direction. They can't see you but you can see them. No matter how great their reflexes are you will get the kill if you can aim, that is guaranteed.

It's cheating. I can't take a game like that seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NKHtuYOYHQ

Go to 1:03-1:10. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Gears of War is stupid.

[Suitepee]

1. Sit behind cover.
2. Use the third person camera to peek past your cover without exposing yourself (On par with wallhack).
3. Kill any unsuspecting players walking in your direction. They can't see you but you can see them. No matter how great their reflexes are you will get the kill if you can aim, that is guaranteed.

It's cheating. I can't take a game like that seriously.

You do know a smart player will be wary of people hiding behind walls/cover right as they go by,right? People don't just idly walk by cover spots when they don't know where the enemy is.
And that they can see them if they move around to the left/right far enough of the cover,or flank them?
And that some cover reveals you clearly,even from a distance?

This is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard from you Viluin. Ever. I'm sorry,but this is dribble. I've lost all e-respect for you now.

What you've described is NOT an exploit. It doesn't kill the game whatsoever. Everyone can use it,everyone half-brained will expect people to be hiding around X cover.

If this is the best you can come up with,I'd say you've lost your touch.

My Internet connection sucks hard right now,I'll watch the video part in a minute.

[Viluin]

You do know a smart player will be wary of people hiding behind walls/cover right as they go by,right? People don't just idly walk by cover spots when they don't know where the enemy is.
And that they can see them if they move around to the left/right far enough of the cover,or flank them?
And that some cover reveals you clearly,even from a distance?

This is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard from you Viluin. Ever. I'm sorry,but this is dribble. I've lost all e-respect for you now.

What you've described is NOT an exploit. It doesn't kill the game whatsoever. Everyone can use it,everyone half-brained will expect people to be hiding around X cover.

If this is the best you can come up with,I'd say you've lost your touch.

Don't be stupid. Check the Youtube link I edited in. It is an exploit, one that is present in all third-person shooters but especially in one with a cover system integrated into the game. You can be wary of cover all you want, but with a hundred cover spots on the map it still puts you at a major disadvantage.

You should not be able to see someone when your in-game character can't see him. Surely you realize just how silly it is? I can see you from behind cover, you can't see me. As if being behind cover is not enough of an advantage.

[Suitepee]

Don't be stupid. Check the Youtube link I edited in. It is an exploit, one that is present in all third-person shooters but especially in one with a cover system integrated into the game. You can be wary of cover all you want, but with a hundred cover spots on the map it still puts you at a major disadvantage.

So you're saying all third-person shooters are 'exploiting' in this manner? As opposed to being PART OF THE GAME perhaps?

Don't be stupid yourself. It's not as big an advantage as you might think; Gears' maps are quite small,and symmetrical. People will check/know where enemies might be hiding. People will learn the runs of the other team on each map.
In a 1v1 situation....nope,not even then. If the other person isn't smart enough to keep track/check their corners,the person hiding behind cover & peeking deserves to kill them.

It's part of the TPS game,and not an exploit.

You should not be able to see someone when your in-game character can't see him. Surely you realize just how silly it is? I can see you from behind cover, you can't see me. As if being behind cover is not enough of an advantage.

Same thing can happen in a FPS. You peek around a corner and spot the enemy with their back turned. They don't spot you and run past you unsuspectedly as you lie in wait for the ambush. BANG! KILL!
Oh sure,it's slightly different in Gears but in both a FPS and a TPS,people should be expecting to check areas where the enemy might be,regardless of how much 'view' they do or do not get.

Fact is Viluin,you just don't like TPS do you? You prefer FPS only. That's what this is all about. Doesn't bother me; while I see your point,because Gears lacks one-hit kill assault rifle killing weapons,it's not as bad as you think.
Now if COD4 had TPS,I would most definitely agree with you that it's bad because of the COD4 gamestyle. But in Gears it's not really much of a problem whatsoever.

Plus I can't watch your video because my connection or Youtube is sucking right now. I'll check it later and provide my 'Ive played Gears longer than you' analysis.

Trust me; I've played FPS and TPS a-plenty. Gears is my favourite among all shooters right now,even above COD4.

[Viluin]

So you're saying all third-person shooters are 'exploiting' in this manner? As opposed to being PART OF THE GAME perhaps?

Don't be stupid yourself. It's not as big an advantage as you might think; Gears' maps are quite small,and symmetrical. People will check/know where enemies might be hiding. People will learn the runs of the other team on each map.
In a 1v1 situation....nope,not even then. If the other person isn't smart enough to keep track/check their corners,the person hiding behind cover & peeking deserves to kill them.

It's part of the TPS game,and not an exploit.

The problem is that Gears of War suffers from this thing that is "part of the game". Take another TPS like Warhawk, for example. There barely is any cover to effectively hide behind and there is little close quarters combat. It takes longer to kill someone and a single kill is far less significant than in GoW where you wipe out 1/4th of the enemy team with one kill, not to mention the fact that one respawns in a round. I've played Warhawk for nearly a year, and never has someone abused the third-person camera to attack me from behind cover. Then I go to Youtube, and the very first GoW video I find contains such an action.


Same thing can happen in a FPS. You peek around a corner and spot the enemy with their back turned. They don't spot you and run past you unsuspectedly as you lie in wait for the ambush. BANG! KILL!

Now you're just trying too hard. Their back is turned ffs, it's a different scenario.

Oh sure,it's slightly different in Gears but in both a FPS and a TPS,people should be expecting to check areas where the enemy might be,regardless of how much 'view' they do or do not get.

Fact is Viluin,you just don't like TPS do you? You prefer FPS only. That's what this is all about. Doesn't bother me; while I see your point,because Gears lacks one-hit kill assault rifle killing weapons,it's not as bad as you think.
Now if COD4 had TPS,I would most definitely agree with you that it's bad because of the COD4 gamestyle. But in Gears it's not really much of a problem whatsoever.

Plus I can't watch your video because my connection or Youtube is sucking right now. I'll check it later and provide my 'Ive played Gears longer than you' analysis.

Trust me; I've played FPS and TPS a-plenty. Gears is my favourite among all shooters right now,even above COD4.

I prefer third person shooters on consoles. I'm better at aiming in TPV than FPV with an analog stick. Gears sucks, period. Until you've watched the Youtube movie I posted you cannot criticize my standpoint.

[Fro]

The point isnt about checking around corners its the fact that they can see you and theres no way for you to see them.

[Uzik]

These are console games...

Who the fuck cares about this stuff?

You play them, you beat them, you play them with friends at your house, you move on.

If you want online gaming, play on your PC.


The only genres where consoles have an advantage over PCs are sports and fighting games.


Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Fro]

These are console games...

Who the fuck cares about this stuff?

You play them, you beat them, you play them with friends at your house, you move on.

If you want online gaming, play on your PC.


The only genres where consoles have an advantage over PCs are sports and fighting games.


Sorry to burst your bubble.

Yet another loser who cant handle a controller.

[Nexus]

The only genres where consoles have an advantage over PCs are sports and fighting games.

And RPGs.

And any games that could feasibly have couch co-op, which is undeniably fun. If you disagree then you obviously don't have any friends to play with, which is just sad.

[Uzik]

Yet another loser who cant handle a controller.

I always like to do things the best way possible.

Sorry if a mouse and wasd is much superior than dual analog controls for aiming shit.


If you don't believe me, then look up how the PC Gamers team (playing on PCs) completely destroyed the Halo development team (playing on consoles) at Halo.

Lock on targeting, action, racing, sports, fighting games are fine on consoles. Everything else is far superior on PCs.

[alfaroverall]

And RPGs.

And any games that could feasibly have couch co-op, which is undeniably fun. If you disagree then you obviously don't have any friends to play with, which is just sad.
Why exactly do consoles have an edge over PCs in the RPG department? I realize that they do, looking at the pattern of RPG releases, but I don't understand why it happens that way. Especially for turn-based games.

It's not that I think PCs would logically do better, it's that it seems like the two are pretty much equal.

[Fro]

I always like to do things the best way possible.

Sorry if a mouse and wasd is much superior than dual analog controls for aiming shit.


If you don't believe me, then look up how the PC Gamers team (playing on PCs) completely destroyed the Halo development team (playing on consoles) at Halo.

Lock on targeting, action, racing, sports, fighting games are fine on consoles. Everything else is far superior on PCs.

I'm not saying the mouse and keyboard aren't better then a controller for aiming .what im saying is that your a loser.

[Suitepee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NKHtuYOYHQ

Go to 1:03-1:10. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Gears of War is stupid.

Sorry Viluin,but you're very very wrong using this video for anything.

When someone is downed,they show up on the team's screen and their rough location if you press Y.
The guy who rushed up there SHOULD have known there'd be a player up there because he'd just seen on his screen his team-mate being downed and killed up there.

Atop that,he should have seen him from his earlier position behind the truck as he rushed in. I certainly would have spotted him and not run up there in a STRAIGHT line like a lunatic.

If I was the Locust in that situation,I'd have known there'd be a good chance the Cog player would have used that cover spot to try and ambush me.
As it was,I also wouldn't have rushed up there foolishly.
I'd have either waited a few seconds for his Active SG to wear off and perhaps bait him out to my ambush spot,or have done a roll into the pillar to the Cog's right and attempted a roll and shoot,or perhaps walk up slightly to draw him out of cover.

That particular Locust player was a NOOB,pure and simple.
Bad example Viluin,very bad example. 99% of Gears players would know to check in that spot if someone has just died up there on Gridlock.
Smart Gears players don't blindly run up to areas an enemy has just killed their team-mate in.

I find it amusing you talk about Warhawk and don't complain about TPV 'camera exploiting' in that game,even though you said in previous comment all TPV's have this problem. How wonderfully biased of you.

Try again Viluin. I've played Gears actively since January 2007. You haven't played Gears long enough to know why your so-called 'TPV camera exploit' isn't a problem nor indeed any kind of 'exploit' whatsoever in Gears.

[Uzik]

I'm not saying the mouse and keyboard aren't better then a controller for aiming .what im saying is that your a loser.

Yes, you have spent enough time playing console shooters to master analog aiming.

I am the loser...

[Fro]

Yes, you have spent enough time playing console shooters to master analog aiming.

I am the loser...

It took me less then a day.

[Nexus]

Why exactly do consoles have an edge over PCs in the RPG department? I realize that they do, looking at the pattern of RPG releases, but I don't understand why it happens that way. Especially for turn-based games.

It's not that I think PCs would logically do better, it's that it seems like the two are pretty much equal.

I think its down to the fact that when your playing on your computer your either sat up straight or leaning fowards slightly. Your constantly on edge.

With an RPG you don't need to be, so being able to lounge about on a sofa or whatever, with a wireless controller in your hands just makes it more desirable. Its just a more laid back experience, I think.

This is at least true of Turn based ones and JRPGs. This is less so the case of FPSRPGs like Oblivion, but even so Oblivion feels lacking on the PC.

I just know, that in my mind, if I want to play through an RPG i'll do it in the most comfortable way possible.

[Uzik]

It took me less then a day.

I can aim on par with most people, but I find it frustrating to know that I could do it better with something else.

Kinda like cutting a steak with a spoon. Sure, I can get it to work, but I'll be damned if the whole time I'm not whispering to myself, "Shit, I wish I had a knife".

[Fro]

I can aim on par with most people, but I find it frustrating to know that I could do it better with something else.

Kinda like cutting a steak with a spoon. Sure, I can get it to work, but I'll be damned if the whole time I'm not whispering to myself, "Shit, I wish I had a knife".

You dont eat steak with a spoon???

[Uzik]

You dont eat steak with a spoon???

Only when it is a Sony steak. As I feel OK about doing things in a less efficient manner if it is related to Sony.

[Fro]

Only when it is a Sony steak. As I feel OK about doing things in a less efficient manner if it is related to Sony.

Seriously though shooting with a controller isn't that bad.

[alfaroverall]

I think its down to the fact that when your playing on your computer your either sat up straight or leaning fowards slightly. Your constantly on edge.

With an RPG you don't need to be, so being able to lounge about on a sofa or whatever, with a wireless controller in your hands just makes it more desirable. Its just a more laid back experience, I think.

This is at least true of Turn based ones and JRPGs. This is less so the case of FPSRPGs like Oblivion, but even so Oblivion feels lacking on the PC.

I just know, that in my mind, if I want to play through an RPG i'll do it in the most comfortable way possible.
I guess I see what you're saying. It's kind of like watching a movie: it's just less fun in front of a computer screen.

[Uzik]

Seriously though shooting with a controller isn't that bad.

Neither is digging in dirt with my hands. But I would prefer to use a shovel.

[Fro]

Neither is digging in dirt with my hands. But I would prefer to use a shovel.

I can undersand that. You're still a loser though.

[Uzik]

I can undersand that. You're still a loser though.

Want to fight IRL?

I will use my fists, you can swing wet noodles at me.



Loser.

[Fro]

Want to fight IRL?

I will use my fists, you can swing wet noodles at me.



Loser.

Why does everyone want to fight me?

[Uzik]

Why does everyone want to fight me?

Either that, or we can make out.

You decide.

[Fro]

Either that, or we can make out.

You decide.

I'd rather fight but im not coming to you.

[Nexus]

I guess I see what you're saying. It's kind of like watching a movie: it's just less fun in front of a computer screen.
I couldn't put it better than that actually. I might have to quote you in future fanboiwarz on consoles v pc.

[Viluin]

Sorry Viluin,but you're very very wrong using this video for anything.

When someone is downed,they show up on the team's screen and their rough location if you press Y.
The guy who rushed up there SHOULD have known there'd be a player up there because he'd just seen on his screen his team-mate being downed and killed up there.

Atop that,he should have seen him from his earlier position behind the truck as he rushed in. I certainly would have spotted him and not run up there in a STRAIGHT line like a lunatic.

If I was the Locust in that situation,I'd have known there'd be a good chance the Cog player would have used that cover spot to try and ambush me.
As it was,I also wouldn't have rushed up there foolishly.
I'd have either waited a few seconds for his Active SG to wear off and perhaps bait him out to my ambush spot,or have done a roll into the pillar to the Cog's right and attempted a roll and shoot,or perhaps walk up slightly to draw him out of cover.

That particular Locust player was a NOOB,pure and simple.
Bad example Viluin,very bad example. 99% of Gears players would know to check in that spot if someone has just died up there on Gridlock.
Smart Gears players don't blindly run up to areas an enemy has just killed their team-mate in.

It took you this much text to say nothing of relevance?

Someone being downed there was just a coincidence and has nothing to do with this discussion. It might as well not have happened. The fact remains that some guy was hiding around the corner waiting for the enemy to walk up the stairs so he could shoot him. Even if you're aware of his position, you have to rely on reflexes to kill him while he just has to rely on timing because he can see you. The advantage is enormous.


I find it amusing you talk about Warhawk and don't complain about TPV 'camera exploiting' in that game,even though you said in previous comment all TPV's have this problem. How wonderfully biased of you.

The same can be done in Warhawk, but only in very few places and even then it offers no real advantage because it takes quite a while to kill someone. And even if you do kill someone, one kill has little effect on the outcome of the game. This is the second time I've said this. In fact, I brought up Warhawk before just to say this. Due to the gameplay, Gears of War is affected ten times worse by the TPV than Warhawk.


Try again Viluin. I've played Gears actively since January 2007. You haven't played Gears long enough to know why your so-called 'TPV camera exploit' isn't a problem nor indeed any kind of 'exploit' whatsoever in Gears.

Please explain how it is not an exploit, because so far you've just been dancing around the issue.

[Uzik]

Please explain how it is not an exploit, because so far you've just been dancing around the issue.

Exploit implies it was not intended by the developers.

You are referring to a general lack in their implementation of TPV, not an exploit.

[Viluin]

Exploit implies it was not intended by the developers.

You are referring to a general lack in their implementation of TPV, not an exploit.

And people are exploiting that general lack in their implementation of TPV. But whatever you want to call it, it still sucks.

I'm fairly certain the developers did not intend for the players to abuse the TPV like this.

[Nexus]

From a purely gameplay point, that video on GOW was a LITTLE silly.

The view shouldn't have let him seen that much, and if it really had to then he shoulda been poking his head around the wall.

Its a bit stupid really.

[Capricious]

Hey guys.

[Nexus]

Hey guys.
Hey :cool:

[Mippoose]

And I posted about it again.

I wouldn't even buy that game.

And I doubt you will either Dr. Failboat.

[Vanno]

What the hell are you talking about?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Current_generation

Not that I give a shit about the X-Brick GayStation, or FinalFailure 13, but Villuin did say "selling" not sold.

[Fro]

Not that I give a shit about the X-Brick GayStation, or FinalFailure 13, but Villuin did say "selling" not sold.

Lol, final failure 13. That made me laugh.

[Nexus]

Not that I give a shit about the X-Brick GayStation, or FinalFailure 13, but Villuin did say "selling" not sold.
:lmao:

[Suitepee]

Well basically Viluin you know jack shit about Gears but are making big presumptions based off ONE old gameplay video.
Meanwhile I have been playing Gears for the past year and a half plus,and I know you're so-called 'exploit' is not really an exploit or anything that ruins the game.

Likewise,I could criticise Warhawk for being a shitty Battlefield clone,which is too vehicle based and also I could buy Frontlines/Bad Company for the same gametype,and you'd tell me blah blah that's wrong it's more because you've been playing it for a year plus.
I know jack shit about Warhawk of course,but hey I'll watch a random Youtube video and make critical analysis too.

Here's one: ZOMG super-speed aircraft WTF Viluin how inbalanced is that 0:36-0:43!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1i7c-wb4ns&feature=related

The fact is Viluin,the person in that video didn't have the intelligence to think NOT to run up there in a straight line,99% of Gears players would know to expect a player up there and thus the advantage is removed,coming down to which player has the better skill to kill the other.
It is NOT an exploit. It does not kill the game; host advantage does to some extent admittingly,but we can overcome that with superior skill.

I've played Gears many times. I've had people hide in that cover,and I know they are there. And then I outplay them and they lose. I roll past them and they miss,and then I shoot them down. I draw them out and then kill them. I throw a grenade up there. I fire a Boomshot. I walk around to the left side of that railing and shoot them to force them to move.

On top of that Viluin,kills count for jack shit in Annex too.

So let's disagree to agree; you think Gears is shit,I think Warhawk is shit.

Also,Warhawk's graphics look like it belongs on the PS2. Seriously,I was expecting something quite amazing,but it looks like a PS2 game.

[Viluin]

Well basically Viluin you know jack shit about Gears but are making big presumptions based off ONE old gameplay video.
Meanwhile I have been playing Gears for the past year and a half plus,and I know you're so-called 'exploit' is not really an exploit or anything that ruins the game.

Likewise,I could criticise Warhawk for being a shitty Battlefield clone,which is too vehicle based and also I could buy Frontlines/Bad Company for the same gametype,and you'd tell me blah blah that's wrong it's more because you've been playing it for a year plus.

The fact is Viluin,the person in that video didn't have the intelligence to think NOT to run up there in a straight line,99% of Gears players would know to expect a player up there and thus the advantage is removed,coming down to which player has the better skill to kill the other.
It is NOT an exploit. It does not kill the game; host advantage does to some extent admittingly,but we can overcome that with superior skill.

On top of that Viluin,kills count for jack shit in Annex.

So let's disagree to agree; you think Gears is shit,I think Warhawk is shit.

Once again you are dancing around the issue. The guy's skills are irrelevant, any type of advantage, be it an exploit, a cheat or whatever, can be overcome with skill. The problem is the fact that something like that is possible in the first place. You should not be able to see someone when you are completely out of sight.

Besides, the advantage is not removed when you expect a player to camp there. You rely on reflexes, he relies on timing. Timing is ten times more reliable in that aspect. In order for your puny brain to understand what I'm saying, I've found a few pictures.

Timing:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/779/779700/boom-boom-rocket--20070410062605728.jpg



Reflexes:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6633/boomboomrocket200704100ms0.jpg


Which is better?


Also,Warhawk's graphics look like it belongs on the PS2.

For some reason you found it necessary to edit this in. You're wrong. Warhawk looks quite good for what it is; a game with 4-player splitscreen, very large maps and 32 player battles. At least it looks better than Halo 3.

[Suitepee]

Once again you are dancing around the issue. The guy's skills are irrelevant, any type of advantage, be it an exploit, a cheat or whatever, can be overcome with skill. The problem is the fact that something like that is possible in the first place. You should not be able to see someone when you are completely out of sight.

Besides, the advantage is not removed when you expect a player to camp there. You rely on reflexes, he relies on timing. Timing is ten times more reliable in that aspect. In order for your puny brain to understand what I'm saying, I've found a few pictures.

Timing:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/779/779700/boom-boom-rocket--20070410062605728.jpg



Reflexes:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6633/boomboomrocket200704100ms0.jpg


Which is better?

Both reflexes and timing,but the fact you're dancing around the issue that you know jack shit about how Gears is played.
I'm not dancing around the issue BECAUSE there is no 'issue' to discuss. I happily play Gears using wall-peeking; so does everyone else,and no-one complains about it. Funny that Viluin.
It's not an exploit,end of. It doesn't kill the game. If it was a big issue it'd have been talked about to death by now.
You're the only one bringing it up.

Argue again when you've played Gears for a sufficient amount of time. I don't intend to reply further to your petty threads.

For some reason you found it necessary to edit this in. You're wrong. Warhawk looks quite good for what it is; a game with 4-player splitscreen, very large maps and 32 player battles.

Seriously Viluin,I'm not impressed. It looks like a PS2 game,it's been done with Battlefield before. But hey,I know jack shit about Warhawk! You know jack shit about Gears!

Let's leave it at that,because your points are without meaning since you don't play Gears,and I don't intend to play Warhawk.

Hell,even Doom 2 Online is better than Halo 3.

[Xzi]

Once again you are dancing around the issue. The guy's skills are irrelevant, any type of advantage, be it an exploit, a cheat or whatever, can be overcome with skill. The problem is the fact that something like that is possible in the first place. You should not be able to see someone when you are completely out of sight.

Besides, the advantage is not removed when you expect a player to camp there. You rely on reflexes, he relies on timing. Timing is ten times more reliable in that aspect. In order for your puny brain to understand what I'm saying, I've found a few pictures.

Timing:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/779/779700/boom-boom-rocket--20070410062605728.jpg



Reflexes:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6633/boomboomrocket200704100ms0.jpg


Which is better?




For some reason you found it necessary to edit this in. You're wrong. Warhawk looks quite good for what it is; a game with 4-player splitscreen, very large maps and 32 player battles. At least it looks better than Halo 3.
Both your games fail when compared to GTA 4's multiplayer. Warhawk = $50, Gears of War = $50, listening to a 12-year-old white girl and 30-something-year-old black guy argue over issues of race on Xbox Live = priceless.

[Suitepee]

Both your games fail when compared to GTA 4's multiplayer. Warhawk = $50, Gears of War = $50, listening to a 12-year-old white girl and 30-something-year-old black guy argue over issues of race on Xbox Live = priceless.

I really need to play GTA4 online at some point.

Yeah,nothing like racist kids/young adults in XBL. Quite shocking at times really.

[Viluin]

Both reflexes and timing,but the fact you're dancing around the issue that you know jack shit about how Gears is played.
I'm not dancing around the issue BECAUSE there is no 'issue' to discuss. I happily play Gears using wall-peeking; so does everyone else,and no-one complains about it. Funny that Viluin.
It's not an exploit,end of. It doesn't kill the game.

Argue again when you've played Gears for a sufficient amount of time.



Seriously Viluin,I'm not impressed. It looks like a PS2 game,it's been done with Battlefield before. But hey,I know jack shit about Warhawk! You know jack shit about Gears!

Let's leave it at that,because your points are without meaning since you don't play Gears,and I don't intend to play Warhawk.

I hate to burst your bubble, but I actively played Gears of War for 3-4 months after it was released. The TPV peeking annoyed me to no extent. I already hate it in other games, but it is used constantly in Gears of War and it just pisses me off.

Warhawk looks a lot better than any PS2 game. Perhaps you should play a PS2 game again just to remind yourself of how bad they look. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. Furthermore, I can assure you Gears of War would not look nearly as good if it had 4-player splitscreen and 32-player battles. Why do you think they limited it to 8 players? Gameplay? No, it's because they didn't want to sacrifice its supposedly pretty graphics.

Both your games fail when compared to GTA 4's multiplayer. Warhawk = $50, Gears of War = $50, listening to a 12-year-old white girl and 30-something-year-old black guy argue over issues of race on Xbox Live = priceless.

Actually Warhawk = $20. Or $30, I forgot.

[Suitepee]

I hate to burst your bubble, but I actively played Gears of War for 3-4 months after it was released. The TPV peeking annoyed me to no extent. I already hate it in other games, but it is used constantly in Gears of War and it just pisses me off.

Warhawk looks a lot better than any PS2 game. Perhaps you should play a PS2 game again just to remind yourself of how bad they look. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. Furthermore, I can assure you Gears of War would not look nearly as good if it has 4-player splitscreen and 32-player battles. Why do you think they limited it to 8 players? Gameplay? No, it's because they didn't want to sacrifice its supposedly pretty graphics.

8 players was to keep the small team combat vibe. GoW1 or GoW2 probably could have had 8 v 8 battles,but that would have been stupid in the Gears online environment.
If I want to play 8 v 8,I can go play COD4 and enjoy the grenade spam-fest. I like the small-scale teams of Gears.

I don't find this 'TPV peeking' thing to be of any real concern/seen as an exploit to me. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue,but it certainly doesn't mean Gears is bad because of it. Nor Warhawk.
I own a PS2 by the way. I could easily run a comparison if I wanted to.

[Viluin]

8 players was to keep the small team combat vibe. GoW1 or GoW2 probably could have had 8 v 8 battles,but that would have been stupid in the Gears online environment.
If I want to play 8 v 8,I can go play COD4 and enjoy the grenade spam-fest. I like the small-scale teams of Gears.

8 v 8 battles would have been stupid with the current Gears of War maps, indeed. Unfortunately for you, the maps are created after the amount of players is decided. They could have easily made bigger maps to accomodate more players. Sadly this also means sacrifices have to be made on other fronts: eye candy. They did not want to do that, so they limited it to 4v4.


I don't find this 'TPV peeking' thing to be of any real concern/seen as an exploit to me. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue,but it certainly doesn't mean Gears is bad because of it. Nor Warhawk.
I own a PS2 by the way. I could easily run a comparison if I wanted to.

Do run a comparison. Warhawk looks a lot better than any PS2 game. Make sure you compare your PS2 games to the actual Warhawk game, not a low-bitrate 320x240 resolution Youtube video.

[Titus Ultor]

PS3 has HD.

For my 52" HDTV, I had to buy a PS3. Xbox looks like shit in comparison at that size. Not to mention, it fulfilled my need for a Blu-Ray player.

The PS3 and Xbox will probably end up competing on mostly equal footing in total console sales within a year or so, which will hopefully mean that the whole "exclusive" non-sense will go away once the market is split equally and all the systems are sold.

[Suitepee]

8 v 8 battles would have been stupid with the current Gears of War maps, indeed. Unfortunately for you, the maps are created after the amount of players is decided. They could have easily made bigger maps to accomodate more players. Sadly this also means sacrifices have to be made on other fronts: eye candy. They did not want to do that, so they limited it to 4v4.

Actually,according to an E3 video I watched the multiplayer in Gears wasn't originally planned until near the last minute.
Rather interesting to know that Gears 1 nearly shipped w/o online play.

Gears 2 is shaping up to be the true Gears online experience they wanted from the start. With over 400 tweaks,you may find it wise Viluin to try it out and see how much this TPV peeking thing bothers you then.

Big maps probably doesn't suit the Gears style of gameplay either tbh. I prefer the reasonably small scale,tight-knit action.

Do run a comparison. Warhawk looks a lot better than any PS2 game. Make sure you compare your PS2 games to the actual Warhawk game, not a low-bitrate 320x240 resolution Youtube video.

I don't intend,if I ever bother,to go into such depth for any comparison. Probably just view some screenshots if anything. Maybe use decent YT videos.

Erm,360 has HD too you know. It has the SD/HD TV cable with the pack.
Although I've yet to play my 360 games in HD,I'm pretty impressed with the graphics on SD alone. Especially COD4....amazing detail.

[Viluin]

Screenshots are never a good way to compare games. You need real moving images, and I don't mean shitty youtube videos. But okay.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/803/803719/warhawk-20070711051202327.jpg

http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/WARHAWK01.jpg


Compared to:

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2007/232/933156_20070821_screen003.jpg


YA I CANT SEE A DIFFERENCE LOLOL!

Now let's throw in a Gears of War screenshot.

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/744/744356/gears-of-war-20061107035007050.jpg

That doesn't look very good either.

[Krylas]

Fuck the PS3 and the 360. Neither have a hole big enough to stick you penis in without severe injury.

[Suitepee]

The Gears screenshot looks better than the Warhawk screenshot. :D
Hell,the cartoony-esque graphics remind me of Halo somewhat.

Although perhaps proving your point about moving images being better. Don't expect a real comparison anytime soon.

[losinglife]

i am really dissapointed the new 80gigs arent backwards compatible.

Seriously, if you are putting out that heavy of a machine at the 400$ price, it should be backwards compatible.

And yes i know viliun you are gonna say some gay shit out bout it doesnt need to be blah blah. But that isnt the point. Its not like it would raise the price or make the machine any bigger if they added it. And they should add it. Its pretty much what is keeping me from sucking it up and making the purchase now.

[Viluin]

i am really dissapointed the new 80gigs arent backwards compatible.

Seriously, if you are putting out that heavy of a machine at the 400$ price, it should be backwards compatible.

And yes i know viliun you are gonna say some gay shit out bout it doesnt need to be blah blah. But that isnt the point. Its not like it would raise the price or make the machine any bigger if they added it. And they should add it. Its pretty much what is keeping me from sucking it up and making the purchase now.

Sony was the one who started the whole backwards compatibility thing. Previous Nintendo consoles weren't backwards compatible at all yet no one complained.

Who the hell wants to play old PS2 games with shitty graphics and no online support when they have a PS3? I haven't even touched a PS2 game since November '07.

[Viluin]

The Gears screenshot looks better than the Warhawk screenshot. :D
Hell,the cartoony-esque graphics remind me of Halo somewhat.

Although perhaps proving your point about moving images being better. Don't expect a real comparison anytime soon.

The Gears of War screenshot looks like crap. I'll even go as far as saying I like the Warhawk screenshot better.

[Zokten]

Sony was the one who started the whole backwards compatibility thing. Previous Nintendo consoles weren't backwards compatible at all yet no one complained.

Who the hell wants to play old PS2 games with shitty graphics and no online support when they have a PS3? I haven't even touched a PS2 game since November '07.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Viluin]

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Such intelligence.. I am flattered.

[losinglife]

Sony was the one who started the whole backwards compatibility thing. Previous Nintendo consoles weren't backwards compatible at all yet no one complained.

Who the hell wants to play old PS2 games with shitty graphics and no online support when they have a PS3? I haven't even touched a PS2 game since November '07.

blah blah viliun whining about backwards compatability, who didnt see that coming :rolleyes:.

Nintendo used CARTRIDGES, tho i agree they coulda duel ported i guess, but they were putting out games for both systems at the same time. They didnt have heavy competition and people buying new consoles like today.

How people who never got around to playing all the ps2 games that have come out. Maybe you just heard about one that you didnt know of before. Maybe i want to play all the silent hill games in a row again. Maybe i just dont want to have 2 consoles sitting around taking up space when it could be just one.

Sony had it right when they started offering backwards compatibility. It was an excellent move, and they shoulda stuck with it. For what they are currently offering i see no reason why it couldnt be offered as well, sorta like how nintendo doesnt offer DVD playback even tho it can at no extra cost.

[Viluin]

blah blah viliun whining about backwards compatability, who didnt see that coming :rolleyes:.

Nintendo used CARTRIDGES, tho i agree they coulda duel ported i guess, but they were putting out games for both systems at the same time. They didnt have heavy competition and people buying new consoles like today.

How people who never got around to playing all the ps2 games that have come out. Maybe you just heard about one that you didnt know of before. Maybe i want to play all the silent hill games in a row again. Maybe i just dont want to have 2 consoles sitting around taking up space when it could be just one.

Sony had it right when they started offering backwards compatibility. It was an excellent move, and they shoulda stuck with it. For what they are currently offering i see no reason why it couldnt be offered as well, sorta like how nintendo doesnt offer DVD playback even tho it can at no extra cost.

Unless you have no life I seriously doubt you could even find the time to play PS2 games with all the great PS3 games that are / will be out. I don't even have time to finish all my PS3 games.

[Zokten]

Unless you have no life I seriously doubt you could even find the time to play PS2 games with all the great PS3 games that are / will be out. I don't even have time to finish all my PS3 games.

The list of great PS3 games seems pretty small, therefore I call Shenaniganz.

[Viluin]

The list of great PS3 games seems pretty small, therefore I call Shenaniganz.

Your penis also seems pretty small, so I call shenaniganz on your manhood.

[Zokten]

Your penis also seems pretty small, so I call shenaniganz on your manhood.

Your seeming lack of a penis is unnerving, so I call shenaniganz on your Sex.

[Viluin]

Your lack of a penis is unnerving, so I call shenaniganz on your Sex.

Your mother said the opposite thing yesterday. Twice.

[Zokten]

Your mother said the opposite thing yesterday. Twice.

So you invested in that new high tech strap-on that makes it seem like you have a penis huh?

Also you might want to get checked for Gremlins, she's infested with them.

[Viluin]

So you invested in that new high tech strap-on that makes it seem like you have a penis huh?

Also you might want to get checked for Gremlins, she's infested with them.

You might want to get checked out as well, I think you lost your sense of humor.

[Zokten]

You might want to get checked out as well, I think you lost your sense of humor.

Really? Perhaps I left it with my mother next time your getting a STD from her could you kindly ask her to mail it to me?

[alfaroverall]

Unless you have no life I seriously doubt you could even find the time to play PS2 games with all the great PS3 games that are / will be out. I don't even have time to finish all my PS3 games.
Care to list some of these games? I would never claim the list was nonexistent or even short, but if it's long enough to prevent someone who "has a life" (coming from a pretty heavy forumfaller) from going back and playing PS2 games, it's gotta be huge.

Also, ibtl at the rate this is going.

[Viluin]

Really? Perhaps I left it with my mother next time your getting a STD from her could you kindly ask her to mail it to me?

Cancer is not an STD.

[alfaroverall]

Cancer is not an STD.
Heard of something called HPV? Cancer can indeed be an STD, for women anyway.

[Viluin]

Care to list some of these games? I would never claim the list was nonexistent or even short, but if it's long enough to prevent someone who "has a life" (coming from a pretty heavy forumfaller) from going back and playing PS2 games, it's gotta be huge.

Also, ibtl at the rate this is going.

- Resistance: Fall of Man (8 hours single player + multiplayer)
- Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of destruction ( x hours single player, haven't finished it yet)
- Metal Gear Solid 4 (30+ hours single player + multiplayer)
- Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (6 hours single player)
- Warhawk (Unlimited hours multiplayer)
- Burnout Paradise ( x hours single player + multiplayer)
- Battlefield: Bad Company (Unlimited hours multiplayer)
- Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (Many hours multiplayer)
- Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection (Many hours multiplayer)
- Motorstorm (A couple hours single player + awesome multiplayer)

I really don't have time for PS2 games.

Heard of something called HPV? Cancer can indeed be an STD, for women anyway.

I hate you.