bush / isreal , iran, so it begins

[Razel]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4322508.ece

[Airius Droc]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4322508.ece


The only surprise for me is how long this is taking. What's Bush been doing these last two years...waiting for Iran to do something so stupid that he could justify an attack?

What the fuck are we doing over there?

Oh yeah, making the middle east more stable - I forgot.

[Spart]

Will be an interesting time if all of this goes down.

[muffins]

Yay! $200 a barrel of oil here we come!

Seriously though, attacking one of the worlds larger oil exporters, who has missiles that can target oil fields and oil tankers in the region, at a time of very high oil prices is beyond stupid.

The world and the US are already struggling with inflation and high oil prices. How are we going to cope with a spike in the price of oil from the present uber-high levels?!?

:ohno:

We'll be running our cars on coal after this is all over.

[Fudgy_Neeples]

Yay! $200 a barrel of oil here we come!

Seriously though, attacking one of the worlds larger oil exporters, who has missiles that can target oil fields and oil tankers in the region, at a time of very high oil prices is beyond stupid.

The world and the US are already struggling with inflation and high oil prices. How are we going to cope with a spike in the price of oil from the present uber-high levels?!?

:ohno:

We'll be running our cars on coal after this is all over.

Letting Iran know that we can't live off their oil will give them too strong of an upper hand in negotiations. I'm sure we can manage to pay 7 bucks a gallons in America or rely on our hybrids. Yeah, bomb them to hell I say! Jewish pride!

[Fro]

A war between Israel and Iran would certainly effect oil prices and it could draw in other middle eastern countries.

[Jarkovii]

Wow.. I guess the military not letting me in because of Athesma was a good thing?? ... :(

Meh, assassinate the president of Iran and force the country into a stand down; Then do what the British did too China when China was an independent country and blockade its docks until they submit. No need for a war, just a bully session that will grow contempt for our children and grandchildren by the 6th century part of the world.

[Lethn]

I reckon those poor generals might actually get too pissed off with bush to carry out with orders if he's actually stupid enough to make war on another country for no reason, clearly he seems to think nuclear and ballistic missiles mean a nuclear missile.

[Jarkovii]

I reckon those poor generals might actually get too pissed off with bush to carry out with orders if he's actually stupid enough to make war on another country for no reason, clearly he seems to think nuclear and ballistic missiles mean a nuclear missile.

Time for a coup de'tat

Our glorious Republic depends on it!

[Lethn]

You start smuggling weapons I'll start training an army :p

[Spart]

Yay! $200 a barrel of oil here we come!

Seriously though, attacking one of the worlds larger oil exporters, who has missiles that can target oil fields and oil tankers in the region, at a time of very high oil prices is beyond stupid.

The world and the US are already struggling with inflation and high oil prices. How are we going to cope with a spike in the price of oil from the present uber-high levels?!?

:ohno:

We'll be running our cars on coal after this is all over.

You can run a car on coal? Well in that case, bomb them all!

[Jarkovii]

You start smuggling weapons I'll start training an army :p

Will you hire a fed up Liberal that yearns for political, religious and economic freedom? Demands that the country uphold its duty under its own laws to maintain the freedoms and liberties that this country NEEDS to stand for?

We Liberals are a quiet, honorable bunch; Ignore the fake jargon of the word "Liberal" and look at us as a good neighbor.

So don't piss us off!

AND WHERE'S MY FUCKING SPAS 12?!

[Ample]

“It’s really all down to the Israelis,” the Pentagon official added. “This administration will not attack Iran. This has already been decided. But the president is really preoccupied with the nuclear threat against Israel and I know he doesn’t believe that anything but force will deter Iran.”

Am I the only one that finds this statement contradicting itself?
"oh we're not going to attack Iran, just blow it up.... by defending Israel... before Iran actually attacks anyone."

*exasperated sigh*

[EAZYmfE]

this'll be fun, Iran had it coming.

EDIT:

Oh and I actually admire Israel for not bombing the shit out of iran earlier, the shitty sandy countries in the middle east have actually proven through history that they DO pose a serious threat to israel. Atleast if Iran manages to get nukes, doubtful since anyone smart enough to develop a nuke will have gtfo of Iran by now. But still bombing their shit will probably not make them feel all that man anymore, and they've been feeling pretty pimp for a few years now.

I'd actually love to see an Iranian counter attack if Israel do bomb them, my bet is gonna be 4 days before they're beat.

[paade]

cant you americans give the israelis a piece of land from like Texas, or something? Or invade Cuba and hand it over. Oil prices are really shitty, i could live without nucular explosions in mid east.

[Axelator]

Finally lets have a throw down between E.U./N America/Australlia and Israel vs middle east and get this over with. While China, India and RUssia sit back and become the new super powers.

[Zuku]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4322508.ece

We, the US, are in Iran right now working with insurgent/terrorist groups conducting bombings, kidnappings and assassinations all in an effort to provoke Iran to react militarily which Bush can spin into a cause for war. This effort is being coordinated through Cheney's office and was approved and financed by the four ranking members of Congress and the four ranking members of the intelligence committees who has to sign off on a Presidential Finding.
By hook or by crook, Bush/Cheney are trying to instigate something with Iran before they leave office.

[Fro]

Wow.. I guess the military not letting me in because of Athesma was a good thing?? ... :(

Meh, assassinate the president of Iran and force the country into a stand down; Then do what the British did too China when China was an independent country and blockade its docks until they submit. No need for a war, just a bully session that will grow contempt for our children and grandchildren by the 6th century part of the world.

China is an independant country and all we did was blockade them and steal a few of their ports (hong kong, singapore), oh and force them to buy our drugs. Even we were not badass enough to take over the whole of china.

[Spart]

Finally lets have a throw down between E.U./N America/Australlia and Israel vs middle east and get this over with. While China, India and RUssia sit back and become the new super powers.

Australia? Wait, WTF did we do? Oh hell fucking no, leave us out of this. We can barely defend our own borders. Although, if it looked like coal would become more used in cars, I know our government would follow the US around like their little bitch... as in more.

[Axelator]

Australia? Wait, WTF did we do? Oh hell fucking no, leave us out of this. We can barely defend our own borders. Although, if it looked like coal would become more used in cars, I know our government would follow the US around like their little bitch... as in more.

that's what I mean, where the U.S. goes the west does follow.

[Fro]

that's what I mean, where the U.S. goes the west does follow.

They seem to think its the other way round.

[Spart]

that's what I mean, where the U.S. goes the west does follow.

Not always. Australia has a certain advantage in that it's more ceremonial than anything else, and we are rather threatened by Indonesia, meaning our government is always very wary about moving our military somewhere else.

[Viranth]

If things happend down there, Iran has said they will close some crossing used by 1/4th of the world's oil. I'm thinking 250 bucks per barrel, at least!

For Norway this is good, we're selling weapons and getting paid shitloads when the oil prices go up.

Hey Bush and Israel, I heard that Iran has nuclear weapons ready to be fired, you should do something right now!

[Skree]

A war between Israel and Iran would certainly effect oil prices and it could draw in other middle eastern countries.

The only effect would be to give oil companies another excuse to jack prices.

The current price has nothing to do with war. Prices were relativly stable and then jumped for no reason. Other than profit.

There is no shortage and nothing changed in the world supply or demand that caused the price to go so high.

Skree

[Skree]

I'd actually love to see an Iranian counter attack if Israel do bomb them, my bet is gonna be 4 days before they're beat.

Unless Hezbollah gets into it. Then Israel gets it's ass kicked again.

Just in case you were not paying attention; they charged into Southern Lebanon in 2006, they limped back out all butthurt.

Skree

[Fro]

The only effect would be to give oil companies another excuse to jack prices.

The current price has nothing to do with war. Prices were relativly stable and then jumped for no reason. Other than profit.

There is no shortage and nothing changed in the world supply or demand that caused the price to go so high.

Skree

So it will effect oil prices then. Thats all i siad i didn't say why it would effect them.

[stalwart]

lmao. yes. let's destroy their power plants. that's always a great way to start a diplomatic discussion. also more sanctions, plx.

[sorros]

If things happend down there, Iran has said they will close some crossing used by 1/4th of the world's oil. I'm thinking 250 bucks per barrel, at least!

For Norway this is good, we're selling weapons and getting paid shitloads when the oil prices go up.

Hey Bush and Israel, I heard that Iran has nuclear weapons ready to be fired, you should do something right now!

you lucky bastard.

canada shall invade the US while they attack Iran!!!! our mounties shall ride through the streets of NYC, hearing liberals praising us and our universal healthcare!

but seriously, this sounds like Bush just wants to go out with a bang--fuck up the whole middle east, not just a few countries in it. time to start investing in alternate fuel sources, oil is going to become too expensive!

[EAZYmfE]

Unless Hezbollah gets into it. Then Israel gets it's ass kicked again.

Just in case you were not paying attention; they charged into Southern Lebanon in 2006, they limped back out all butthurt.

Skree

More like, they charged into Lebanon, killed some terrorists and left because they're not actually imperialistic nutjobs like the muslims.

Anyway, fighting a guerilla force that hides behind women and children is not the same thing as fighting a real army. I suggest you go to www.wikipedia.com and read up on what happens when Israel fights a real army.

[Tdog]

If things happend down there, Iran has said they will close some crossing used by 1/4th of the world's oil. I'm thinking 250 bucks per barrel, at least!

For Norway this is good, we're selling weapons and getting paid shitloads when the oil prices go up.

Hey Bush and Israel, I heard that Iran has nuclear weapons ready to be fired, you should do something right now!

Yea they will try and shut down the strait but dont forget that America has 2 aircraft carrier task forces in the area which are the best in the world and could destory anything in Iran's navy with little effort.

I will say this again.... AIR POWER WINS WARS. Nobody in the world can match the USA with AIR POWER. If you own the air space above a country, you can control what that country does and does not do.

Air power alone cannot take over a country but it can control the country.

[Tdog]

More like, they charged into Lebanon, killed some terrorists and left because they're not actually imperialistic nutjobs like the muslims.

Anyway, fighting a guerilla force that hides behind women and children is not the same thing as fighting a real army. I suggest you go to www.wikipedia.com and read up on what happens when Israel fights a real army.

Same with America... A guerilla force can damage a conventional army but cannot destory it.

Any Army in the world vs Israel and America... I'd put all my money on Israel/America

Just remember Israel, UK, Germany, Japan, Canada and the US are going to be on the same side of any war in the near future.

[Incanam]

The end times are here my friends.

[sorros]

Yea they will try and shut down the strait but dont forget that America has 2 aircraft carrier task forces in the area which are the best in the world and could destory anything in Iran's navy with little effort.

I will say this again.... AIR POWER WINS WARS. Nobody in the world can match the USA with AIR POWER. If you own the air space above a country, you can control what that country does and does not do.

Air power alone cannot take over a country but it can control the country.

vietnam, it doesnt appear it controlled the country so well. same with afghans vs russians, the russians and planes and helis, but those were shot down by afghans when americans gave them weps.

[sorros]

The end times are here my friends.

and here i thought american imperialism would be handed off to china next...but this is the end of the world already?

[Tdog]

vietnam, it doesnt appear it controlled the country so well. same with afghans vs russians, the russians and planes and helis, but those were shot down by afghans when americans gave them weps.

Well Vietnam is a perfect example of why we must allow the Military to do what they train them to do.

In Vietnam we tried to win the hearts and minds instead of doing the job. Same with Iraq, if our military was able to fight without restrictions then Iraq would have been over years ago.

Russians have nothing on our Airforce today...nothing.

If you allow our pilots to bomb military targets as well as economic targets without worrying about the civilian damage then we could control a country. Look at WWII... We control Germany once we controlled the Air above Germany.

[Jangang]

We, or they need to do it already. This waiting game is lame.

[Oo_]

and here i thought american imperialism would be handed off to china next...but this is the end of the world already?

That might be bit too far-fetched yes, but on the other hand previous times the scepter (of the ruler of the world (lol)) changed hands from one party to another, the sore losers didn't have the means to apply scorched earth policy on global scale.

[Spineless_DoO]

We have had special operations in Iran for over 30 years. This has been long started. Our "friends" realise politicly that if they dont pull the trigger first there is no way for the neocon war machine to pull the backing of the people.

This will play out short and sweet. The media will push a new propaganda about the Jewish history in the WW and how they are such an important part of our country. The "PC" population will cry out and support it. All you will hear about for a month is Iran this and that untill most of the sheep already assume there is a war and dont care to fight it.

The goal is to protect the $ and allow the elites a greater control over the money being made. Dont forget about the billions of $$$ the neocon war machine will make waging this war even if it is only through aid and contracts.

[EAZYmfE]

vietnam, it doesnt appear it controlled the country so well. same with afghans vs russians, the russians and planes and helis, but those were shot down by afghans when americans gave them weps.

Ruskies can't fight for shit, history has shown this.

As for vietnam, it needed more carpet bombing of everything that moves.

[sorros]

even canadian special forces were in Iran...everyone has or had something in Iran :bang:

but that makes people hate you even more, bombing civlian targets. you may officially "win the war", but now everyone hates you. not exactly the best exchange.

[EAZYmfE]

even canadian special forces were in Iran...everyone has or had something in Iran :bang:

but that makes people hate you even more, bombing civlian targets. you may officially "win the war", but now everyone hates you. not exactly the best exchange.

Bomb them too.

[Haldred]

Here Here!

[Nefastus]

Ruskies can't fight for shit, history has shown this.

As for vietnam, it needed more carpet bombing of everything that moves.

lol.

[Haldred]

they did lose 1 million in ww2? obviously doing something wrong.

[Spart]

they did lose 1 million in ww2? obviously doing something wrong.

They lost over 20 million. But they won the war. If they hadn't of been there, Europe would of been fucked before America even realised something was happening.

[Haldred]

I'm just saying that if they were awesome like america :rolleyes: they wouldn't have lost as many people.

[losinglife]

“It’s really all down to the Israelis,” the Pentagon official added. “This administration will not attack Iran. This has already been decided. But the president is really preoccupied with the nuclear threat against Israel and I know he doesn’t believe that anything but force will deter Iran.”


FUCK YOU for posting that before me :D

But that is the best paragraph in the whole article if true.