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Matthieus
06-09-2008, 12:40 PM
Can anyone Solve this brainteaser?

This brainteaser concerns encryption, which is the conversion of a document (which is called the plaintext) into unreadable gibberish (which is called the ciphertext) in a manner such that it can then be turned back into the original plaintext only by the intended recipient. One primitive form of encryption is the monoalphabetic simple substitution cipher. The name sounds complicated, but it's just like the cryptogram puzzles you've probably seen in crossword puzzle books or newspapers. It basically means the type of code wherein you write out the alphabet on one line, and then underneath it you write it out again, but this time in an arbitrary order, like this:


ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
ZYXWVUTSRQPONMLKJIHGFEDCBA


The important thing to note is that the lower alphabet can be in any order at all. Together they form an encryption key. To encrypt a message, you look up each letter of the plaintext in the upper alphabet, and replace it with the corresponding letter in the lower alphabet.

For example, let's suppose that our plaintext is "THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG". We would start with the letter T, and look it up in the upper alphabet. Directly under it, we see that there is a G, so we would write out a G as the first letter of the ciphertext. Similarly, H would become S, and E would become V. If you continued the process, the final encrypted message would be "GSV JFRXP YILDM ULC QFNKH LEVI GSV OZAB WLT". Normally, to decrypt the message, one would just reverse the process by looking up the letters of the ciphertext in the lower alphabet, and finding the corresponding letters in the upper alphabet, but I have something else in mind.

A curious fact about this process is that no matter what order the lower alphabet is in, any plaintext which you encrypt repeatedly will eventually produce the original plaintext after some number of passes. By "encrypt repeatedly", I mean to treat the resulting ciphertext as a new plaintext, and encrypt it again, and so on until it eventually produces the original plaintext, thus coming full circle. Using the key from the example above, it would only take two passes to arrive back where you started, but consider this key:


ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
CDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZAB



Using this key, you would have to encrypt and re-encrypt, over and over, each time going from the upper alphabet to the lower one, 13 times in all, before finally arriving back at the original plaintext, as you can see here:


ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ


if this key represents the minimum number of one iteration, then some other key must represent the maximum.

Here is the big question: Using the process described above, what is the maximum number of times one would have to encrypt something before once again arriving back at the original plaintext?

Darq
06-09-2008, 12:41 PM
do your own homework!

Arkh
06-09-2008, 12:48 PM
do your own homework!
What he said.

Matthieus
06-09-2008, 01:17 PM
I though at least one person would even try :-) and it is not home work:lmao:

Phalanx
06-09-2008, 01:19 PM
26? Wild guess.

Tiarilir
06-09-2008, 01:41 PM
26? Wild guess.

lol awesome

Bravot
06-09-2008, 01:55 PM
25 - the first one isn't encrypted :P

kingpin
06-09-2008, 01:57 PM
Besides the USA, is there a 4th of july in England too?

How many birthdays has an average human in his life?

Some months have 31 days. How many have 28?

Seven and five equals eleven or elleven?

Can someone in texas marry his widow’s sister?

If there are 3 apples and you take the 2 how many apples you have?

The doctor gives you 3 pills, taking one every 30 minutes. In how many minutes will you take them all?

How many animals of each kind did moses take with him in his boat?

Bravot
06-09-2008, 02:01 PM
Besides the USA, is there a 4th of july in England too? Yes

How many birthdays has an average human in his life? One

Some months have 31 days. How many have 28? All of them

Seven and five equals eleven or elleven? Twelve

Can someone in texas marry his widow’s sister? He's dead

If there are 3 apples and you take the 2 how many apples you have? Errr... I assume you have no apples if you take a "2"

The doctor gives you 3 pills, taking one every 30 minutes. In how many minutes will you take them all? Depends on if you swallow them before he takes them.

How many animals of each kind did moses take with him in his boat? Trick question, there is no God. ;)
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Phalanx
06-09-2008, 02:05 PM
Besides the USA, is there a 4th of july in England too?
Yes.

How many birthdays has an average human in his life?
One.

Some months have 31 days. How many have 28?
All.

Seven and five equals eleven or elleven?
Neither.

Can someone in texas marry his widow’s sister?
No, dead men don't marry.

If there are 3 apples and you take the 2 how many apples you have?
Two.

The doctor gives you 3 pills, taking one every 30 minutes. In how many minutes will you take them all?
60 minutes.

How many animals of each kind did moses take with him in his boat?
Moses didn't have a boat.

kingpin
06-09-2008, 02:06 PM
Besides the USA, is there a 4th of july in England too?
Yes.

How many birthdays has an average human in his life?
One.

Some months have 31 days. How many have 28?
All.

Seven and five equals eleven or elleven?
Neither.

Can someone in texas marry his widow’s sister?
No, dead men don't marry.

If there are 3 apples and you take the 2 how many apples you have?
Two.

The doctor gives you 3 pills, taking one every 30 minutes. In how many minutes will you take them all?
60 minutes.

How many animals of each kind did moses take with him in his boat?
Moses didn't have a boat.

you just couldn't wait for someone to screw up could you?

Phalanx
06-09-2008, 02:07 PM
Play to win. ;)

Viluin
06-09-2008, 02:58 PM
Twice.

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
BADCFEHGJILKNMPORQTSVUXWZY


ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
BADCFEHGJILKNMPORQTSVUXWZY

Brillen
06-09-2008, 04:57 PM
All this logic!! Can't we go back to the mindless forumfalling that slowly eats away at our intelligence to the point of retardation?? :(

Tharkon Fargor
06-09-2008, 05:19 PM
Some idiot put a puzzle like this on the web once. I found the answer, went to the place but the theathre closed 10 minutes before I could come in. As it takes 2 and a half hours for me to get there I can't be arsed to do it again.


http://drottningholm.blogg.se/1211822475_the_slutledtrd.html#comment

Here's the one I was working on, doubt the treasure is left anymore though.
It's in Swedish "Final Clue" (Came to this page after solving an encryption similiar to the one above).

Now I got it to 44 straight lines, possibly 50 depending on how you count.

Drottningholm doesn't have a street number that goes as high as 44 though it has a theathre with seat number 44...also a map where therer's a place with the number 8 (4+4+=8).

If anyone wants to try it or has some idea and lives in Stockholm, fire away.

stalwart
06-09-2008, 05:58 PM
do your own homework!

I though at least one person would even try :-) and it is not home work:lmao:

you seriously just got owned. it is your homework, and stop lying.