Useful jobs that can get you out of the U.S. and into Europe

[Murphy]

Yeah, America sucks.

Any jobs that can transfer fairly well over to Europe? We're talking about decent-paying ones and we'd prefer ones that can get you some pussy. (EX: Firefighter, Doctor, Pornstar)

[heroshade]

Yeah, America sucks.

Any jobs that can transfer fairly well over to Europe? We're talking about decent-paying ones and we'd prefer ones that can get you some pussy. (EX: Firefighter, Doctor, Pornstar)

french foreign legion, since you obviously dont deserve to be here anyway

[Jezrith]

Yeah, America sucks.

Any jobs that can transfer fairly well over to Europe? We're talking about decent-paying ones and we'd prefer ones that can get you some pussy. (EX: Firefighter, Doctor, Pornstar)

I hear being extremely lazy and not using soap works...

[Virtra]

soccer player?

[heroshade]

Yeah, America sucks.

Any jobs that can transfer fairly well over to Europe? We're talking about decent-paying ones and we'd prefer ones that can get you some pussy. (EX: Firefighter, Doctor, Pornstar)

oh. and shut up

[Vmax]

Dealer in Amsterdam
gynaecologist in any European city

[Lejar]

gynaecologist in any European city

Try it out in Stockholm... Sweedish chicks are hot in just about every picture you see them on.

[Fluffington]

If you are willing to dress up like a lady and have flexible morals, I know this guy...

[heroshade]

I thought of something more clever than my last post!

[paade]

become a doctor and you will never have to worry about money anymore. At least here in Finland.

[Someone]

Try it out in Stockholm... Sweedish chicks are hot in just about every picture you see them on.

Yeah except for the old ladies, and he probably wouldn't be able to escape having them as patients. I would also recommend the French foreign legion, not that I would do it myself, but then I'm already in Europe and I don't want a French passport.

[Helgeran]

Tip 1: Don't be fat.

[Tiarilir]

Yeah except for the old ladies, and he probably wouldn't be able to escape having them as patients. I would also recommend the French foreign legion, not that I would do it myself, but then I'm already in Europe and I don't want a French passport.

I've seen quite many ugly swedish chicks. However, they seem to be a minority in sweden... as for the rest of europe, not so sure.

[Nefastus]

While you American idiots laugh and stroke your miniature private parts while driving your SUVs on 5$/gallon gas, the OP actually makes a very VERY VERY valid point. I'm so fucking glad I have a duel American and European citizenships. You fucks wait and enjoy riding bicycles on freeways on the way to your jobs and wiping your asses with valueless dollars while wonder what the fuck happened to my social security money while I live a normal life in Europe.

[Helgeran]

I've seen quite many ugly swedish chicks. However, they seem to be a minority in sweden... as for the rest of europe, not so sure.
They usually come in packs. Ugly chicks stick together, hot chicks stick together with decent chicks.

[Shads]

Weap systems engineer with sensitive knowledge. I'm pretty sure there would be about 5 countries that would kill to have you home. Literally.

[Darq]

If you are willing to dress up like a lady and have flexible morals, I know this guy...

i bet you do

[Lethn]

Find it hard to believe that you want to leave America, yeah it's pretty much almost a police state now, the government sucks and there's hardly a bit of freedom about it, but for fucks sake whatever you do don't go to the UK, vast majority of guys are assholes and the same goes for girls, oh and you'll have to deal with chavs and asian chavs who wouldn't mind stabbing you just for looking at them.

p.s. For those in America, chavs are the equivalent of your rednecks except they wear sports clothes and hoodies and carry around knives, oh that and our governments shit here as well.

[Nafelos]

The funny thing is... Europeans are still immigrating here because there are more opputunities.

[Matriel]

Network Engineer. Once you get the right certs and some experience on Cisco equipment, you can pretty much work anywhere with it.

[Yobaj]

IT sector would be a safe bet for a job in Sweden at least...

[Aragoni]

IT sector would be a safe bet for a job in Sweden at least...

I don't know about that tbh. At least here up in Norrbotten we got more then enough workers in the IT sector :p

[SSguy]

Find it hard to believe that you want to leave America, yeah it's pretty much almost a police state now, the government sucks and there's hardly a bit of freedom about it, but for fucks sake whatever you do don't go to the UK, vast majority of guys are assholes and the same goes for girls, oh and you'll have to deal with chavs and asian chavs who wouldn't mind stabbing you just for looking at them.

p.s. For those in America, chavs are the equivalent of your rednecks except they wear sports clothes and hoodies and carry around knives, oh that and our governments shit here as well.

QFT

Not allowed any guns.
Knife crime skyrocketing
Not being able to do anything to random strangers that walk into your house, unless they are like 5 feet away with a deadly weapon.
Citizens getting as fat as Americans, just need a bit moretime before they can't call us fat pigs anymore
Cameras all over the place
Massive immigration problem, might be worse than ours.

Wait...so what makes Europe so much better?
Its not the perfect country in the world, but if you think Europe has any less problems than America, you are deluded.

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[Aragoni]

Wait...so what makes Europe so much better?
Its not the perfect country in the world, but if you think Europe has any less problems than America, you are deluded.

Since when did Europe become a country?! :ohno:

[Yobaj]

Wait...so what makes Europe so much better?
Its not the perfect country in the world, but if you think Europe has any less problems than America, you are deluded.


If Europe was a country, it would be alot better than the US

[stalwart]

french foreign legion, since you obviously dont deserve to be here anyway

lmao, this guy is funny. he acts like yurop > america.

that's hilarious. best shit i've heard all morning.



our unemployed are harder workers than your... well.. hardest workers.

[Silverhandorder]

Europe is experiencing decline in standard if living more then America.

[Aragoni]

Europe is experiencing decline in standard if living more then America.

Source?

[Carbonlegend]

I hear being extremely lazy and not using soap works...

Seriously where do you learn things like that. To be honest it speaks volumes about the American education system if basic and crude stereotypes form the foundation for your entire knowledge of European life

[Fro]

I hear being extremely lazy and not using soap works...

I here loosing a few hundred pounds (lb) works aswell. now im stooping just as low as you. Oh well

[Carbonlegend]

lmao, this guy is funny. he acts like yurop > america.

that's hilarious. best shit i've heard all morning.



our unemployed are harder workers than your... well.. hardest workers.

Where are you pulling this assertion from your arse. since obviously you cant back it up unless you have been unemployed in both Europe and america if you have then gtfo of the libraries computer and get yourself a job

[Lethn]

oh p.s. Unless you just want female friends don't come to the U.K for sex and I say that without any reservations even if it involves the friends I have here.

[Fro]

Find it hard to believe that you want to leave America, yeah it's pretty much almost a police state now, the government sucks and there's hardly a bit of freedom about it, but for fucks sake whatever you do don't go to the UK, vast majority of guys are assholes and the same goes for girls, oh and you'll have to deal with chavs and asian chavs who wouldn't mind stabbing you just for looking at them.

p.s. For those in America, chavs are the equivalent of your rednecks except they wear sports clothes and hoodies and carry around knives, oh that and our governments shit here as well.

You sound like you get bullied alot and dont have many freinds irl. Am i right?

[Silverhandorder]

Source?

Over two dozen relatives living all over Europe.

[wowsa0]

If Europe was a country, it would be alot better than the US

Agreed, any country in Europe would be better than the US.

[Matriel]

If Europe was a country, it would be alot better than the US

If your definition of better is higher taxes, lower standards of living for successful people, and no civil rights, then I agree!

[Paralda]

QFT

Not allowed any guns.
Knife crime skyrocketing
Not being able to do anything to random strangers that walk into your house, unless they are like 5 feet away with a deadly weapon.
Citizens getting as fat as Americans, just need a bit moretime before they can't call us fat pigs anymore
Cameras all over the place
Massive immigration problem, might be worse than ours.

Wait...so what makes Europe so much better?
Its not the perfect country in the world, but if you think Europe has any less problems than America, you are deluded.

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Dude, you're talking about the UK only.

Uk =|= All of Europe.

Personally, I'd love to live somewhere like Sweden.

[Carbonlegend]

Over two dozen relatives living all over Europe.

You cant use that as a source, biased, unreliable and anecdotal. If you want to use that i have a source that tells me your gay and in love with the milkman

[Carbonlegend]

If your definition of better is higher taxes, lower standards of living for successful people, and no civil rights, then I agree!

Seriously matriel do you live in the U.K. i have serious questions over your idea of lower standards of living for successful people, truly i do.

[Fro]

Whats with all the stupid Americans who keep thinking that Europe is some how the same all over.

[Lethn]

You sound like you get bullied alot and dont have many freinds irl. Am i right?

Oh people 'tried' bullying me definitely, but I have friends and know how to kill people >_<.

[Uzik]

Funny, it seems the only thing to be increasing here in Long Island is the number of multi-million dollar homes being built.

You should probably leave America if you are too lazy to work hard and get a good education so you can succeed (Obama supporters). But if you know that hard-work and good planning/fiscal responsibility is the key to the American dream, there is nothing you can't have in this fine country.

In fact, I would love if we had some sort of "Back to Europe" program that would send all of the lazy lower-middle class whites back over the Atlantic.

Maybe once we take out the trash the United States can go back to being wtfpwnface awesome.

[Carbonlegend]

Funny, it seems the only thing to be increasing here in Long Island is the number of multi-million dollar homes being built.

You should probably leave America if you are too lazy to work hard and get a good education so you can succeed (Obama supporters). But if you know that hard-work and good planning/fiscal responsibility is the key to the American dream, there is nothing you can't have in this fine country.

In fact, I would love if we had some sort of "Back to Europe" program that would send all of the lazy lower-middle class whites back over the Atlantic.

Maybe once we take out the trash the United States can go back to being wtfpwnface awesome.

Wtf sort of thinking is that are you a republican by the way

[Fro]

Funny, it seems the only thing to be increasing here in Long Island is the number of multi-million dollar homes being built.

You should probably leave America if you are too lazy to work hard and get a good education so you can succeed (Obama supporters). But if you know that hard-work and good planning/fiscal responsibility is the key to the American dream, there is nothing you can't have in this fine country.

In fact, I would love if we had some sort of "Back to Europe" program that would send all of the lazy lower-middle class whites back over the Atlantic.

Maybe once we take out the trash the United States can go back to being wtfpwnface awesome.

I dont understand why the car loving Americans who have a very high percentage of fat people try to claim that the whole of europe is lazy.

Oh people 'tried' bullying me definitely, but I have friends and know how to kill people >_<.

Good, i always like it when people stand up for themselves but dont be so bitter or resentful.

[Ultimo]

Funny, it seems the only thing to be increasing here in Long Island is the number of multi-million dollar homes being built.

You should probably leave America if you are too lazy to work hard and get a good education so you can succeed (Obama supporters). But if you know that hard-work and good planning/fiscal responsibility is the key to the American dream, there is nothing you can't have in this fine country.

In fact, I would love if we had some sort of "Back to Europe" program that would send all of the lazy lower-middle class whites back over the Atlantic.

Maybe once we take out the trash the United States can go back to being wtfpwnface awesome.

Don't you live in your parent's garage? You speak as though you have developed your own wealth. Mooching off parents is as bad as not taking steps to succeed. No offense, of course, I agree with your post.

[Paralda]

Funny, it seems the only thing to be increasing here in Long Island is the number of multi-million dollar homes being built.

You should probably leave America if you are too lazy to work hard and get a good education so you can succeed (Obama supporters). But if you know that hard-work and good planning/fiscal responsibility is the key to the American dream, there is nothing you can't have in this fine country.

In fact, I would love if we had some sort of "Back to Europe" program that would send all of the lazy lower-middle class whites back over the Atlantic.

Maybe once we take out the trash the United States can go back to being wtfpwnface awesome.

Y'know, it's funny. My family is upper class, started lower class, contributes to society greatly, and worked their ass off to get where we are today, and we support Obama. Honestly, most of the lazy lower-middle class I've seen don't even really have an opinion in politics at all. Then, there's all the Rednecks who vote republican. Most democrats I know (save the college kids), are all hardworking members of society.

Seriously, just because you don't like someone's political ideals, doesn't mean you should assume that they're less of a person, or less of a hardworking citizen.

[Nasty]

I hear being extremely lazy and not using soap works...

I love the no shower myth. I'd be willing to bet the average northern european is cleaner than the average american.

[Fro]

Don't you live in your parent's garage? You speak as though you have developed your own wealth. Mooching off parents is as bad as not taking steps to succeed. No offense, of course, I agree with your post.

:lmao: How old is he?

[Ultimo]

I love the no shower myth. I'd be willing to bet the average northern european is cleaner than the average american.

Apparantly you didn't read the soap thread.

[Fro]

Apparantly you didn't read the soap thread.

Oh yeh because forumfall is such a great basis to make judgements on entire continents.

[Ultimo]

Oh yeh because forumfall is such a great basis to make judgements on entire continents.

People do it all the time, its called statistics.

[Shads]

People do it all the time, its called statistics.

My stastitsics doesn't agree with yours.

[Nasty]

Apparantly you didn't read the soap thread.

yeah what happened there

[Ultimo]

My stastitsics doesn't agree with yours.

Neither does your English, but in ForumFall we let some things slide.

[Ultimo]

yeah what happened there

It was a bunch of Europeans (I think Viluin, mostly) arguing that soap is not important when washing yourself. It was sort of a disturbing thread.

[Shads]

Neither does your English, but in ForumFall we let some things slide.

Why oh why do I have to put /sarcasm everywhere? Dumb Americans are ruining this planet IMO!

[Nasty]

It was a bunch of Europeans (I think Viluin, mostly) arguing that soap is not important when washing yourself. It was sort of a disturbing thread.

Don't listen to Viluin.

[Ultimo]

Why oh why do I have to put /sarcasm everywhere? Dumb Americans are ruining this planet IMO!

I got your sarcasm, but I don't think you got mine, so....

[Fro]

People do it all the time, its called statistics.

People doing it all the time doesnt make it any better.

[Ultimo]

People doing it all the time doesnt make it any better.

Actually, statistics is a widely accepted practice....in most the civilized world, anyhow. In fact, I just got done with the highest level of stat my university offers.

[scotw1t]

Seriously where do you learn things like that. To be honest it speaks volumes about the American education system if basic and crude stereotypes form the foundation for your entire knowledge of European life

Where are you pulling this assertion from your arse. since obviously you cant back it up unless you have been unemployed in both Europe and america if you have then gtfo of the libraries computer and get yourself a job

You cant use that as a source, biased, unreliable and anecdotal. If you want to use that i have a source that tells me your gay and in love with the milkman

Wtf sort of thinking is that are you a republican by the way

So I've noticed that you've done nothing in this thread except tell people that they are wrong. You've done this countless times and all you have to back up your posts is your opinion.

Quit being such a bitch, imo.

[Fro]

So I've noticed that you've done nothing in this thread except tell people that they are wrong. You've done this countless times and all you have to back up your posts is your opinion.

Quit being such a bitch, imo.

All people have used to back them up is there opinion so its not realy new. your opinion doesnt matter im afraid.

[scotw1t]

All people have used to back them up is there opinion so its not realy new. your opinion doesnt matter im afraid.

At least they're making arguments that sound like a fucking argument, whether it be right or wrong. This douche is just pointing his Holy Finger of You Are Wrong. It pissed me off. But the day is early yet.

[Carbonlegend]

So I've noticed that you've done nothing in this thread except tell people that they are wrong. You've done this countless times and all you have to back up your posts is your opinion.

Quit being such a bitch, imo.

LoL good point but isn't that what we do in forumfall point out where people are wrong for the kicks. all i ever do is put forward my opinion i don't try and back it up as true knowledge, actual fact or statistics which is what i have a problem with and why i question people. I imply there wrong i don't actually state it.
So your wrong and i will continue to be a bitch like yourself who took the time to point out i was a bitch.

[Carbonlegend]

At least they're making arguments that sound like a fucking argument, whether it be right or wrong. This douche is just pointing his Holy Finger of You Are Wrong. It pissed me off. But the day is early yet.

Lol what are you on about they havent been making arguments thats what pissed me off then an asshole like you just wants to start an argument without considering what am trying to do. I enjoy arguments and debates i just would rather have people put forward things that sound like arguments rather than stupid opinions.

[Arkh]

If your definition of better is higher taxes, lower standards of living for successful people, and no civil rights, then I agree!
I think he's refering to the unemployed standard of living. Which is really good in some country. Cause, well, we have to be kind to these people who didn't have luck. You understand : success is just pure luck.

[scotw1t]

LoL good point but isn't that what we do in forumfall point out where people are wrong for the kicks. all i ever do is put forward my opinion i don't try and back it up as true knowledge, actual fact or statistics which is what i have a problem with and why i question people. I imply there wrong i don't actually state it.
So your wrong and i will continue to be a bitch like yourself who took the time to point out i was a bitch.

That's a good one buddy, you must be congratulating yourself on such a clever burn. :highfive:

Well I guess the dredges of Forumfall simply point out where others are wrong, but those worth paying attention to actually form a counter-argument. Really, I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to give you a face! You should thank me.

[Fro]

I dont understand how they think working hard in America = success. Besides success comes in many different forms.

[stalwart]

Where are you pulling this assertion from your arse. since obviously you cant back it up unless you have been unemployed in both Europe and america if you have then gtfo of the libraries computer and get yourself a job

lol. everyone knows we're better than yurop. in every aspect.

[Matriel]

I love the no shower myth. I'd be willing to bet the average northern european is cleaner than the average american.

I'm willing to bet your fucking nose doesn't work correctly.

I think he's refering to the unemployed standard of living. Which is really good in some country. Cause, well, we have to be kind to these people who didn't have luck. You understand : success is just pure luck.

Yeah, I try to avoid averaging myself in with unsuccessful people.

[scotw1t]

I dont understand how they think working hard in America = success. Besides success comes in many different forms.

Working hard in America usually computes to spending your entire life working. By the time you reach the autumn years of your life, you had better hope all you wanted out of life is to work until retirement. Otherwise you're probably going to die unhappy, that would suck.

If you simply be successful at being happy with what life gives you, then you'll do alright.

[scotw1t]

lol. everyone knows we're better than yurop. in every aspect.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Excellent.

[Carbonlegend]

That's a good one buddy, you must be congratulating yourself on such a clever burn. :highfive:

Well I guess the dredges of Forumfall simply point out where others are wrong, but those worth paying attention to actually form a counter-argument. Really, I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to give you a face! You should thank me.
Hmm but you see your being far too clever for me. To me it seems like you have become irritated by my manner and are pointing out where am wrong. Which if am not mistaken is what you had a problem with what am doing.
I would form an a counter argument if i believed this thread to merit one but with no one actually putting forward something i deem merits one (yes this is a case of elitism or just shear laziness ill let you decided, you will form your own opinion anyway) or with most of the arguments already being made and me not feeling either the particular need to rewrite someone else's argument to try and gain credit for.
If i belong to the dredges of Forumfall then am afraid so do you.

[Uzik]

Don't you live in your parent's garage? You speak as though you have developed your own wealth. Mooching off parents is as bad as not taking steps to succeed. No offense, of course, I agree with your post.

I was paying $1750 a month for rent in NYC. I got promoted, and the job was out on Long Island. Being able to put an extra $1750 a month into savings is fairly substantial. So instead of going into an apartment, I decided to move back home.

I could buy a decent house now, but I need at least a million dollars for a really nice home on Long Island. And I would rather wait for a big house, than get something smaller and try to sell it later on.

Even so, mooching off your parents is very American, as long as it is part of you bettering yourself. I always looked at the "American Dream" as being happy, and giving your children what they need to be happy. I would much rather have someone stay a few extra years with their parents than go on some government sponsored welfare.

A lot of the problems we have now is that people don't do the whole "I should work hard so my children can have a good life" kinda of thinking. Instead, they only think about having everything that other people have.

So a lot of Americans now go, "Hey! He has health insurance, why can't I?!", instead of going, "Hey! I wan't to work hard so my children, or my children's children can have healthcare".

Edit: Also, I took out my own loans for college. Pay my own bills and such. So I would say that I developed my own "wealth".

[scotw1t]

Hmm but you see your being far too clever for me. To me it seems like you have become irritated by my manner and are pointing out where am wrong. Which if am not mistaken is what you had a problem with what am doing.
I would form an a counter argument if i believed this thread to merit one but with no one actually putting forward something i deem merits one (yes this is a case of elitism or just shear laziness ill let you decided, you will form your own opinion anyway) or with most of the arguments already being made and me not feeling either the particular need to rewrite someone else's argument to try and gain credit for.
If i belong to the dredges of Forumfall then am afraid so do you.

I admit that I did exactly what you did. Reminds me of a Seinfeld joke. "The only thing I complain about is other people complaining." Or something along those lines. But I believe my posts were valid. I explained why I thought you were wrong, something you have not been able to do.

However, you're really good at using other people's inability to argue well as a reason why you're not offering arguments. That seems silly to me, but maybe it's because I'm a stoopid 'merican.

Also you keep trying to compare me to you. It's like you're an ashamed smoker and you want me to start smoking so you'll feel a little better. Is that an English thing that simply does not translate to my American sensibilities? Or do you simply not have anything else to say except, "Well if I am, then so are you."?

[Carbonlegend]

I dont understand how they think working hard in America = success. Besides success comes in many different forms.

well its a matter of belief for some doing what makes them happy and work go hand in hand and is something that requires there time to reap the rewards but doesn't amount to back breaking labour. I think the concept of just working hard in america = success comes from the idea of the American dream and the Utopian vision of the American state. But i think it boils down to a matter of belief you can be happy with what you do and where you are in your life under most circumstances.

[Fro]

I was paying $1750 a month for rent in NYC. I got promoted, and the job was out on Long Island. Being able to put an extra $1750 a month into savings is fairly substantial. So instead of going into an apartment, I decided to move back home.

I could buy a decent house now, but I need at least a million dollars for a really nice home on Long Island. And I would rather wait for a big house, than get something smaller and try to sell it later on.

Even so, mooching off your parents is very American, as long as it is part of you bettering yourself. I always looked at the "American Dream" as being happy, and giving your children what they need to be happy. I would much rather have someone stay a few extra years with their parents than go on some government sponsored welfare.

A lot of the problems we have now is that people don't do the whole "I should work hard so my children can have a good life" kinda of thinking. Instead, they only think about having everything that other people have.

So a lot of Americans now go, "Hey! He has health insurance, why can't I?!", instead of going, "Hey! I wan't to work hard so my children, or my children's children can have healthcare".

Hey do your parents still whipe your arse? Do you still wet the bed? Does mummy come and read you a bed time story when you get scared in the night?

[Uzik]

Hey do your parents still whipe your arse? Do you still wet the bed? Does mummy come and read you a bed time story when you get scared in the night?

I would rather have my parents wipe my ass, than my government.

At least I know my parents won't put me in jail for defending myself.



Anyways, I know it is hard to accept that hard-work and good planning = success in America. I know it goes against European logic, but try hard and you'll get it eventually!

[Gunther TheBlack]

become a doctor and you will never have to worry about money anymore. At least here in Finland.

Any sort of doctor or specialists pays fucking shitty in europe compared to the USA.

[Carbonlegend]

I admit that I did exactly what you did. Reminds me of a Seinfeld joke. "The only thing I complain about is other people complaining." Or something along those lines. But I believe my posts were valid. I explained why I thought you were wrong, something you have not been able to do.

However, you're really good at using other people's inability to argue well as a reason why you're not offering arguments. That seems silly to me, but maybe it's because I'm a stoopid 'merican.

Also you keep trying to compare me to you. It's like you're an ashamed smoker and you want me to start smoking so you'll feel a little better. Is that an English thing that simply does not translate to my American sensibilities? Or do you simply not have anything else to say except, "Well if I am, then so are you."?

To the core of the argument. Yes i do seem to pick out the problems with other peoples arguments and use them as may defense for putting forward my own. In fact i do it consciously when i don't think there is anything i can put forward to the argument. However it doesn't mean i don't wont them to elaborate because i do i really want them to explain there argument so i can better understand it. I don't think your a silly American you obviously not am not just trying to flatter your ego but am acknowledging your point and not just ignoring it. I have said these things like "so are you "for the satisfaction of showing that you are doing exactly the same as me, quite childish but i wanted to make the point. It got nothing to do with the "English thing" neither am i ashamed of making such remarks but it was a fair reading none the less you made.

[Fro]

I would rather have my parents wipe my ass, than my government.

At least I know my parents won't put me in jail for defending myself.



Anyways, I know it is hard to accept that hard-work and good planning = success in America. I know it goes against European logic, but try hard and you'll get it eventually!

But my goverment doesnt whipe my arse. Besides the fact that you've chosen to live with your parents seems like a fairly lazy thing to do to me. A janiter works hard cleaning up the mess dickheads like yourself leave behind and yet you still decide to treat him like dirt.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Network Engineer. Once you get the right certs and some experience on Cisco equipment, you can pretty much work anywhere with it.

Goes for basically most things related to both Cisco and Microsoft certifications.

Ranging everything server, network, design and programming related

[Gunther TheBlack]

our unemployed are harder workers than your... well.. hardest workers.

America scores pretty fucking lousy in efficiency so you gotta make it up with working longer ;)

[scotw1t]

To the core of the argument. Yes i do seem to pick out the problems with other peoples arguments and use them as may defense for putting forward my own. In fact i do it consciously when i don't think there is anything i can put forward to the argument. However it doesn't mean i don't wont them to elaborate because i do i really want them to explain there argument so i can better understand it. I don't think your a silly American you obviously not am not just trying to flatter your ego but am acknowledging your point and not just ignoring it. I have said these things like "so are you "for the satisfaction of showing that you are doing exactly the same as me, quite childish but i wanted to make the point. It got nothing to do with the "English thing" neither am i ashamed of making such remarks but it was a fair reading none the less you made.

Fair enough.

Outside is sounding pleasant right now. I think we've exhausted all the points of this argument. So yeah, good game.

[paade]

Any sort of doctor or specialists pays fucking shitty in europe compared to the USA.

omg... americans get more salary than europeans! Are you absolutely sure of these groundbreaking news?!

[Ultimo]

I was paying $1750 a month for rent in NYC. I got promoted, and the job was out on Long Island. Being able to put an extra $1750 a month into savings is fairly substantial. So instead of going into an apartment, I decided to move back home.

I could buy a decent house now, but I need at least a million dollars for a really nice home on Long Island. And I would rather wait for a big house, than get something smaller and try to sell it later on.

Even so, mooching off your parents is very American, as long as it is part of you bettering yourself. I always looked at the "American Dream" as being happy, and giving your children what they need to be happy. I would much rather have someone stay a few extra years with their parents than go on some government sponsored welfare.

A lot of the problems we have now is that people don't do the whole "I should work hard so my children can have a good life" kinda of thinking. Instead, they only think about having everything that other people have.

So a lot of Americans now go, "Hey! He has health insurance, why can't I?!", instead of going, "Hey! I wan't to work hard so my children, or my children's children can have healthcare".

Edit: Also, I took out my own loans for college. Pay my own bills and such. So I would say that I developed my own "wealth".

I disagree. Children should never mooch off their parents, and parents should not give their children shit. You know why? Because every rich spoiled kid I've ever known has grown up to contribute nothing to society. They know how to act elite, and that's about it. In fact, the reason I have worked so hard to get a great education (and thus, a great life) is because I grew up in a poor household and had a great character overhaul my first 20 years.

As I say to people, the first 20 years decides how you will be for the rest of your life. If you are a rich spoiled kid, you will be a childish spoiled adult your whole life (besides a few radical exceptions).

So even though I will be rich someday, will I give my kids more than I was given? No. They can earn shit themselves. They can go out and get a full time job at 13 like I did if they want money.

[stalwart]

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Excellent.

i'm glad at least someone appreciates my ramblings.

[Fro]

I disagree. Children should never mooch off their parents, and parents should not give their children shit. You know why? Because every rich spoiled kid I've ever known has grown up to contribute nothing to society. They know how to act elite, and that's about it. In fact, the reason I have worked so hard to get a great education (and thus, a great life) is because I grew up in a poor household and had a great character overhaul my first 20 years.

As I say to people, the first 20 years decides how you will be for the rest of your life. If you are a rich spoiled kid, you will be a childish spoiled adult your whole life (besides a few radical exceptions).

So even though I will be rich someday, will I give my kids more than I was given? No. They can earn shit themselves. They can go out and get a full time job at 13 like I did if they want money.

Great education does not mean you will be highly paid or have a great life. FACT. It highers the chances you will be highly paid but it does not always mean you will be rich. Self confidence is great though.

[Gunther TheBlack]

omg... americans get more salary than europeans! Are you absolutely sure of these groundbreaking news?!

Actually in most sectors europeans get payed a bigger brute wage. But because of the obvious higher taxes the netto wage is lower than in america.

In the medical sector however everyone gets payed a lesser brute wage in europe compared to the usa so the netto wage has an even bigger difference.

[Carbonlegend]

Hey do your parents still whipe your arse? Do you still wet the bed? Does mummy come and read you a bed time story when you get scared in the night?

Come on uncalled for. He has a fair argument we do live in societies where the majority of people want instant gratification they want to be able to live the hedonistic lifestyles we see in the media, but also want the stable secure lives that harding work offers. Some have a problem with others being born into wealth growing up in working class family in a poor area of Liverpool i had these problems to. I don't see society as offering equality as a starting point which it should but as offering equality as the end point. But as i have grown older i have realized that people who have worked hard all there lives should be allowed to leave money to there children send them to private schools etc.( drawing on stereotypes i know don't crucify me) They have worked hard for it so why shouldn't they and there children enjoy the benefits that they are entitled to.( basics of social contract theory to lazy to get notes but am thinking Locke said it we are entitled to equal reward for labour) What angers me and should anger you is where people don't utilize the opportunities they have been given and then complain that others have.

[Fro]

Come on uncalled for. He has a fair argument we do live in societies where the majority of people want instant gratification they want to be able to live the hedonistic lifestyles we see in the media, but also want the stable secure lives that harding work offers. Some have a problem with others being born into wealth growing up in working class family in a poor area of Liverpool i had these problems to. I don't see society as offering equality as a starting point which it should but as offering equality as the end point. But as i have grown older i have realized that people who have worked hard all there lives should be allowed to leave money to there children send them to private schools etc.( drawing on stereotypes i know don't crucify me) They have worked hard for it so why shouldn't they and there children enjoy the benefits that they are entitled to.( basics of social contract theory to lazy to get notes but am thinking Locke said it we are entitled to equal reward for labour) What angers me and should anger you is where people don't utilize the opportunities they have been given and then complain that others have.

I just found it ironic that he calls all europeans lazy and yet he still leeches of his parents (even if he pays them rent). Maybe i was a little harsh though. What angers me most is hypocracy. I try to stay away from it as much as possible.

[Kaorn]

America > All!

Note: This post is purely my own opinion, if you really want to debate you can just shove it up your ass.

[Fro]

America > All!

Note: This post is purely my own opinion, if you really want to debate you can just shove it up your ass.

Thanks for that highly interesting and worthwhile post there.

[Gunther TheBlack]

I just found it ironic that he calls all europeans lazy and yet he still leeches of his parents (even if he pays them rent). Maybe i was a little harsh though. What angers me most is hypocracy. I try to stay away from it as much as possible.

I prefer that the parents wipe their sons ass cause in my perfect society the government won't do jackshit and he'll sucker into poverty.

His own fucking fault then. Or perhaps his parents fault for not supporting their child or giving him the possible opportunities, but even then he can still get a hold of himself.

[Ultimo]

Great education does not mean you will be highly paid or have a great life. FACT. It highers the chances you will be highly paid but it does not always mean you will be rich. Self confidence is great though.

Well, normally I would agree. I only know I will be rich because I am getting an education in a market that is in dire need of specialized education. Currently I am in a program called Design Studio, which gets me direct work with big wigs from IBM, Microsoft, etc. That requires 20 hours a week. I work an internship also making workflow and document management software which big names use (such as Ty, Upper Deck, etc). That is another 20-40 hours a week during the school year. This is all on top of 18 credit hours a semester (if you know of the way our colleges work in America that will make sense).

Sure, all of that is a ton of work, but it will pay off when I graduate next year (I am already getting offers from companies to make 6 digits out of college, Design Studio really helped with that).

So yes, hard work does not mean you will be rich, however a very well planned out crap ton of hard work does mean that.

[Fro]

Well, normally I would agree. I only know I will be rich because I am getting an education in a market that is in dire need of specialized education. Currently I am in a program called Design Studio, which gets me direct work with big wigs from IBM, Microsoft, etc. That requires 20 hours a week. I work an internship also making workflow and document management software which big names use (such as Ty, Upper Deck, etc). That is another 20-40 hours a week during the school year. This is all on top of 18 credit hours a semester (if you know of the way our colleges work in America that will make sense).

Sure, all of that is a ton of work, but it will pay off when I graduate next year (I am already getting offers from companies to make 6 digits out of college, Design Studio really helped with that).

So yes, hard work does not mean you will be rich, however a very well planned out crap ton of hard work does mean that.
Unfortunately no it doesnt. Theres all sorts of things that can happen to fuck up even the best made plans. Im not trying to say you wont be rich you probably will hopefuly you will be happy as well. Best of luck to you.

[Ultimo]

Unfortunately no it doesnt. Theres all sorts of things that can happen to fuck up even the best made plans. Im not trying to say you wont be rich you probably will hopefuly you will be happy as well. Best of luck to you.

Well, if you are thinking radically, sure. I mean, I could always have my eyes gouged out in a 19 hour torture session by a lunatic. That would put a gimp in my career choice.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Unfortunately no it doesnt. Theres all sorts of things that can happen to fuck up even the best made plans. Im not trying to say you wont be rich you probably will hopefuly you will be happy as well. Best of luck to you.

At least he has a fucking plan and actually works his ass of to achieve it.


Europe is full of people that got one plan, to abuse their first job to get an accident and get a welfare check for life.

[Fro]

At least he has a fucking plan and actually works his ass of to achieve it.


Europe is full of people that got one plan, to abuse their first job to get an accident and get a welfare check for life.

Give me some fucking credit here! Im working and planning dam hard that accident so that it wont be fatal or make me some kind of cripple but enough for me to leech of the goverment and other people for the rest of my life!:rolleyes:

[Carbonlegend]

Thats unfair. You generalized an entire continent. I have a plan i am working hard i want to do well and get a good job so i can work hard and support a family which can have the best of life and have more opportunities than myself. my plan doesn't include suing my employer. I am from england which is in Europe. i recall from somewhere cant remember that suing for liability and those sort of claim is an American concept which rewarded instant gratification, that has traveled across the pound to england.

[Gunther TheBlack]

I am from england which is in Europe. i recall from somewhere cant remember that suing for liability and those sort of claim is an American concept which rewarded instant gratification, that has traveled across the pound to england.

In Europe people don't sue a company, the government does it for you!

[Kaorn]

Thanks for that highly interesting and worthwhile post there.

I thought I would sum up the attitude of everyone on the forums, just change country as needed.

[Uzik]

But my goverment doesnt whipe my arse. Besides the fact that you've chosen to live with your parents seems like a fairly lazy thing to do to me. A janiter works hard cleaning up the mess dickheads like yourself leave behind and yet you still decide to treat him like dirt.

A janitor should be a position that someone takes in the short-term while going to school and trying to save money.

Could I have gotten apartment? Sure. But why would I waste that money when my parents have the room? I would call my decision to be fiscally responsible, rather than lazy. If anything it would be much easier to live on my own.

However, if I wish to own a home soon, I need to trade comfort and ease with the option that allows me to save the most money. I guess Europeans don't understand the concept of family helping family, but once you can see the value in improving your families position in life, your family will do much better in life. But seeing as native Europeans are being out-bred by immigrants, I guess you don't place the same importance on maintaining your family.

Also, there is a big fucking difference between helping family, and spoiling them. Anyone who thinks that accepting help from your relatives show weakness is a fucking idiot. If anyone should be helping you, it is your family.

And I don't treat janitors poorly, however I will tell a janitor to fuck off if he complains about his job and says how he should be able to own a home just because he works full-time.

[Khahan]

While you American idiots laugh and stroke your miniature private parts while driving your SUVs on 5$/gallon gas, the OP actually makes a very VERY VERY valid point. I'm so fucking glad I have a duel American and European citizenships. You fucks wait and enjoy riding bicycles on freeways on the way to your jobs and wiping your asses with valueless dollars while wonder what the fuck happened to my social security money while I live a normal life in Europe.

HEH, Dude thinks he's safe. Europe is ground zero, battlegrounds, center stage for world wars. :)

In a war of Islam vs Christianity, your ass's location is much more convenient...

Now.. if on the other hand, Europe had Never, Ever been the target of a terrorist attack. You might have had a point. Trust me, your name is in the hat too.

Oh and they feed us Human Growth Hormone in our meat. I wouldn't go measuring weiners so quickly.

There are two kinds of Europeans. Europeans, and Transplants. The latter is the most annoying one. Next come the English. :) Yes..thats right..I'm cheeky.

[Fro]

A janitor should be a position that someone takes in the short-term while going to school and trying to save money.

Could I have gotten apartment? Sure. But why would I waste that money when my parents have the room? I would call my decision to be fiscally responsible, rather than lazy. If anything it would be much easier to live on my own.

However, if I wish to own a home soon, I need to trade comfort and ease with the option that allows me to save the most money. I guess Europeans don't understand the concept of family helping family, but once you can see the value in improving your families position in life, your family will do much better in life. But seeing as native Europeans are being out-bred by immigrants, I guess you don't place the same importance on maintaining your family.

Also, there is a big fucking difference between helping family, and spoiling them. Anyone who thinks that accepting help from your relatives show weakness is a fucking idiot. If anyone should be helping you, it is your family.

And I don't treat janitors poorly, however I will tell a janitor to fuck off if he complains about his job and says how he should be able to own a home just because he works full-time.

You clearly dont understand the idea of everyone helping everyone. You dont need to live with your parents. The fact that its saving you money is meaning that you have dont have to work as hard to get that money as you would do lving on your own which is being lazy! Its fine for you to use your resources so you dont have to work as hard but not for us to do the same i guess.

[Khahan]

You clearly dont understand the idea of everyone helping everyone. You dont need the help the fact that its saving you money is meaning that you have dont have to work as hard to get that money as you would do on your own which is being lazy! Its fine for you to use your resources so you dont have to work as hard but not us i guess.

Time for an American to disagree with the American work ethic. We've become consumed by it. Our jobs have become our lives. Americans on average are selfish and greedy. At least the euro's have their priorities straight.

Don't disrespect the family unit. It's the first thing America lost, and the reason for it's decline.

I believe the reason you can't play a good game of counter-strike because 7 teenagers won't shut the hell up is because we stick grandma and grandpa in a home, and they never get the stability and wisdom that grandparents pass on.

[paade]

Europe is full of people that got one plan, to abuse their first job to get an accident and get a welfare check for life.

you been spying on me?

[Brillen]

Tip 1: Don't be fat.

DAMN!! :bang:

[Gunther TheBlack]

You clearly dont understand the idea of everyone helping everyone. You dont need the help the fact that its saving you money is meaning that you have dont have to work as hard to get that money as you would do on your own which is being lazy! Its fine for you to use your resources so you dont have to work as hard but not us i guess.

You should edit that to make it easier to read.


I'm pretty good in understanding weird english but this is even hard for me :)


No worries tho, i am not angry for it :)

[Shads]

HEH, Dude thinks he's safe. Europe is ground zero, battlegrounds, center stage for world wars. :)

In a war of Islam vs Christianity, your ass's location is much more convenient...

Now.. if on the other hand, Europe had Never, Ever been the target of a terrorist attack. You might have had a point. Trust me, your name is in the hat too.


Your forget the fact that those terrorist attacks were only in countries that decided to be Bush's sidekicks in Iraq. Also Islam vs Christianity is bullshit, it's all down to geopolitics.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Time for an American to disagree with the American work ethic. We've become consumed by it. Our jobs have become our lives. Americans on average are selfish and greedy. At least the euro's have their priorities straight.

Don't disrespect the family unit. It's the first thing America lost, and the reason for it's decline.


Americans are selfish and greedy???

Not sure about that tbh. I find state controlled charity to have a pretty bad effect on the greediness of europeans as well.

[Fro]

You should edit that to make it easier to read.


I'm pretty good in understanding weird english but this is even hard for me :)


No worries tho, i am not angry for it :)

Sorry, i often edit my posts half way through writing them and forget to edit the rest so its ends up as complete gibberish. Is that better?

Americans are selfish and greedy???

Not sure about that tbh. I find state controlled charity to have a pretty bad effect on the greediness of europeans as well. The whole of the westernized world is pretty dam greedy. No doubt about it.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Your forget the fact that those terrorist attacks were only in countries that decided to be Bush's sidekicks in Iraq. Also Islam vs Christianity is bullshit, it's all down to geopolitics.

What about the IRA in great brittain, the CCC in Belgium, the Basques in Spain, the muslim youth and Algerian terrorists in france, fundamentalist muslims in holland, etc

In Holland it had everything to do with Islam and in Belgium it was about political philosophies.

[Khahan]

Americans are selfish and greedy???

Not sure about that tbh. I find state controlled charity to have a pretty bad effect on the greediness of europeans as well.

It depends on where you are. I remember watching a news report once. In one large city they would drop some money, and the people would not tell the guy he dropped money, and in some cases more than one person would wrestle for it.

In a small town, they did it 20 times in different locations and every time someone said "Hey sir, you dropped some money."

I lump consumption in with greed, and americans are disgusting consumers IMO. Including me.

[Matriel]

Seriously matriel do you live in the U.K. i have serious questions over your idea of lower standards of living for successful people, truly i do.

I don't have to and I definitely wouldn't want to. If you compare taxation rates, I would pay much higher taxes for the same salary in the UK. It would not cover the difference for health care either as I have cheap health care here.

Meanwhile, cost of living in the UK is much higher than Kentucky.

So, as I said, someone in my position (successful) is more successful in America as you can keep more of the fruits of your labour and in most places it is cheaper to live. Unless you're seriously trying to suggest that having more money and less bills is somehow a bad thing.

[Gunther TheBlack]

I don't have to and I definitely wouldn't want to. If you compare taxation rates, I would pay much higher taxes for the same salary in the UK. It would not cover the difference for health care either as I have cheap health care here.

Meanwhile, cost of living in the UK is much higher than Kentucky.

So, as I said, someone in my position (successful) is more successful in America as you can keep more of the fruits of your labour and in most places it is cheaper to live. Unless you're seriously trying to suggest that having more money and less bills is somehow a bad thing.

The working class are still naive suckers that believe they are better of with high taxation but "security" here in Europe. Taking the matters in your own hand is almost alien to most of these fucking retards.

I hope americans won't sucker into the democratic sweet talks either tbh.

[Vanno]

I just found it ironic that he calls all europeans lazy and yet he still leeches of his parents (even if he pays them rent). Maybe i was a little harsh though. What angers me most is hypocracy. I try to stay away from it as much as possible.

What does living with parents have to do with laziness? It is financial sound in many cases to do so. Hell if you are an entry level worker, and work in the same city as your parents, it would be outright dumb not to do so.

[Dredgon]

FU GAYS!

Somalia is the greatest country in the world, all other country's are run by little white people.

[Matriel]

The working class are still naive suckers that believe they are better of with high taxation but "security" here in Europe. Taking the matters in your own hand is almost alien to most of these fucking retards.

I hope americans won't sucker into the democratic sweet talks either tbh.

Personal responsibility is going the way of the dodo. :(

[Mippoose]

Yeah, America sucks.

Any jobs that can transfer fairly well over to Europe? We're talking about decent-paying ones and we'd prefer ones that can get you some pussy. (EX: Firefighter, Doctor, Pornstar)

Join the army.

Jump off the plane halfway to iraq.

Moron.

[Killuminati]

I like how everyone here is talking about how hard they work and how successful they have become because they worked their hardest. When they are at the moment posting in a gaming forum while working :lmao:

[Gunther TheBlack]

I have to repeat myself. But for europe anything ict or financial related is good atm as it is over the rest of the world.

[Fro]

Personal responsibility is going the way of the dodo. :(

TBH i would rather live here then in America because i one hate Americans as you know and because i would rather have this shitty goverment then your goverment. I would take anarchy over any goverment though.

[Matriel]

I like how everyone here is talking about how hard they work and how successful they have become because they worked their hardest. When they are at the moment posting in a gaming forum while working :lmao:

Learn to multitask with two monitors noob.

[Gunther TheBlack]

TBH i would rather live here then in America because i one hate Americans as you know and because i would rather have this shitty goverment then your goverment. I would take anarchy over any goverment though.

You wouldn't survive a day with anarchy, bitch.

[Killuminati]

Learn to multitask with two monitors noob.

Hahah, Matriel I see you're working hard (22,000 posts)

[Fro]

You wouldn't survive a day with anarchy, bitch.

Id take you down before i went. Fuckface!

[Zwarp]

You wouldn't survive a day with anarchy, bitch.

maybe he got guns

[Fro]

maybe he got guns

Guns are for loosers. I got C4. Anyone fucks with me and ill take them down Villa style.

[Zwarp]

Guns are for loosers. I got C4. Anyone fucks with me and ill take them down Villa style.

You wouldn't last long in an anarchy state... How would you loot stores with C4?

[Matriel]

Hahah, Matriel I see you're working hard (22,000 posts)

Indeed sir. Gotten quite a bit done today. How's living with mom and dad?

[Fro]

You wouldn't last long in an anarchy state... How would you loot stores with C4?

Use the C4 to blow down any walls in my way then kung fu any bitches stealing my loot.

[Uzik]

You clearly dont understand the idea of everyone helping everyone. You dont need to live with your parents. The fact that its saving you money is meaning that you have dont have to work as hard to get that money as you would do lving on your own which is being lazy! Its fine for you to use your resources so you dont have to work as hard but not for us to do the same i guess.

There is a difference between your family providing resources for you, and the government taking money from families to provide resources for you.

My parents had spare living space. I needed somewhere to live. It is a pretty straightfoward situation. Me getting an apartment would have been a waste of money. But I guess wasting money is a foreign concept to those who live off of the government...


U S A
U S A

[Killuminati]

Indeed sir. Gotten quite a bit done today. How's living with mom and dad?

Excuse me but I'm moving to college soon

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qRmXNa1EUmI

0:28-0:30

[Gunther TheBlack]

maybe he got guns


Like some frenchy has guns hahahaha

I got a rifle within 5 paces walk.

[Agge]

Elektrician or something like that, alot of construction work beeing done and the pay is good.

As for the ladies part things work diffrent over here.

[sawyerj66]

It depends on where you are. I remember watching a news report once. In one large city they would drop some money, and the people would not tell the guy he dropped money, and in some cases more than one person would wrestle for it.

In a small town, they did it 20 times in different locations and every time someone said "Hey sir, you dropped some money."

I lump consumption in with greed, and americans are disgusting consumers IMO. Including me.
Maybe in the fucking ghetto. I've seen this enough times with my own eyes, even here in NYC, and people here are constantly helping people. I've also traveled plenty, and I would definitely rate Americans as some of the most good-natured, friendly people around. I remember when I was dating a girl from England, and she was stunned the first time I went out of my way to hold a door open for her. She said people didn't do that there. And over the next few weeks I was there, I had plenty able-bodied young men and women just let the door close behind them, when I was almost within grabbing distance.

If Americans are anything, they are definitely not selfish and greedy.

[Zwarp]

Like some frenchy has guns hahahaha


My friend owns a shotgun :p If I have a problem in 2012, that's where i'll fucking go

[Fro]

There is a difference between your family providing resources for you, and the government taking money from families to provide resources for you.

My parents had spare living space. I needed somewhere to live. It is a pretty straightfoward situation. Me getting an apartment would have been a waste of money. But I guess wasting money is a foreign concept to those who live off of the government...


U S A
U S A

Yep because we give it to people who need it. We obviously care about people more than you. Besides most people dont live off the goverment and some actualy need the goverment to give them money to survive like old people disabeled people and all soughts of people.

Believe it or not but the average American works no harder then the average European. Besides if its working hard were talking about the Japanese pretty much destroy us all.

[Gloomrender]

Didn't read the whole thread, but I want to ask...did anyone ever get to actually discussing good jobs, that carry over to europe, or did the euro/anti-euro flaming continue on from page 6 to the end?

[Gunther TheBlack]

My friend owns a shotgun :p If I have a problem in 2012, that's where i'll fucking go

If i run out of bullets i still have a bunch of knives, hammers, axes, bows, etc at my disposal :)

[Matriel]

Excuse me but I'm moving to college soon

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qRmXNa1EUmI

0:28-0:30

Have fun working your ass off to get to a nice cushy position that lets you post on Forumfall.

[Teutates]

Just go to luxembourg, you're almost certain you get well payed. And taxes are very low.

However I think it's hard to get citizenship

[Killuminati]

Have fun working your ass off to get to a nice cushy position that lets you post on Forumfall.

Pfft, I'm winning the lottery.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Just go to luxembourg, you're almost certain you get well payed. And taxes are very low.

Swiss has even lower taxes than the USA.

[Matriel]

Yep because we give it to people who need it. We obviously care about people more than you. Besides most people dont live off the goverment and some actualy need the goverment to give them money to survive like old people disabeled people and all soughts of people.

Believe it or not but the average American works no harder then the average European. Besides if its working hard were talking about the Japanese pretty much destroy us all.

You care about people so much you steal from them to "help" others.

If i run out of bullets i still have a bunch of knives, hammers, axes, bows, etc at my disposal :)

Learn to stockpile ammo noob. :p

[Fro]

Like some frenchy has guns hahahaha

I got a rifle within 5 paces walk.

Im not French. You sound like a big scaredy cat "ive got a weapon in reach whenever i move just incase a bad man trys to hurt me."

Maybe in the fucking ghetto. I've seen this enough times with my own eyes, even here in NYC, and people here are constantly helping people. I've also traveled plenty, and I would definitely rate Americans as some of the most good-natured, friendly people around. I remember when I was dating a girl from England, and she was stunned the first time I went out of my way to hold a door open for her. She said people didn't do that there. And over the next few weeks I was there, I had plenty able-bodied young men and women just let the door close behind them, when I was almost within grabbing distance.

If Americans are anything, they are definitely not selfish and greedy.

Oh no thats why your all like "i dont want to be taxed more when im rich because i need the money for that new car and that bigger house!":rolleyes:

[Gunther TheBlack]

You care about people so much you steal from them to "help" others.



Learn to stockpile ammo noob. :p

I stockpile gasoline instead.

We got over 60 000 liters at our disposal :D

[Zwarp]

If i run out of bullets i still have a bunch of knives, hammers, axes, bows, etc at my disposal :)

Yeah, but everybody's got that, you'll need loads of ammo to overpower any zombie siege! Anyway, you still have time, 2012 is a long way off, I did the math

[Fro]

You care about people so much you steal from them to "help" others.

Yep we take from the people who dont need it and give to the people who need it (in theory). You were enver told about Robin Hood when you were little were you?

[Matriel]

Swiss has even lower taxes than the USA.

No?

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/country.cfm?id=Switzerland
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/country.cfm?id=Unitedstates

[Killuminati]

Oh no thats why your all like "i dont want to be taxed more when im rich because i need the money for that new car and that bigger house!":rolleyes:

My gawd people desiring more luxurious things from their hard work.

MY GAWD SUMONE GET THE GOVT TO REDISTRIBUTE THAT CASH BEFORE ITS 2 LATE

[Matriel]

Yep we take from the people who dont need it and give to the people who need it (in theory). You were enver told about Robin Hood when you were little were you?

Ah, and you get to decide who needs what. How very freedom loving of you.

[Fro]

No?

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/country.cfm?id=Switzerland
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/country.cfm?id=Unitedstates

But ireland has more economic freedom and thats part of Europe. Lol at american idiots!

[Fro]

My gawd people desiring more luxurious things from their hard work.

MY GAWD SUMONE GET THE GOVT TO REDISTRIBUTE THAT CASH BEFORE ITS 2 LATE

Yeh thats being greedy by the very definition.

[Killuminati]

Its a common misconception that Robin Hood was stealing from the rich. The fact is he was taking the money that was plundered from the poor.


Fro, I'd like you to explain to me what peoples motivation is for working then? Do they work only for the sake of others? Also what makes anarchy so attractive then if you can simply just have a central entity be the robber barons for you?

[Uzik]

Ah, and you get to decide who needs what. How very freedom loving of you.

Didn't you know that secret robot communists have taken over Europe's government? They want to create to turn the EU into the MRE (Marxist Republic of Europa).

IMO the European people will be much happier that way. Then everyone will be equal!

[shnedit]

Its a common misconception that Robin Hood was stealing from the rich. The fact is he was taking the money that was plundered from the poor.


Yes, a very moral figure.

[Fro]

Its a common misconception that Robin Hood was stealing from the rich. The fact is he was taking the money that was plundered from the poor.

And giving it to the poor. The message is about giving to the poor not necessarily taking from the rich.

[Killuminati]

And giving it to the poor. The message is about giving to the poor not necessarily taking from the rich.

He was giving them the money they earned through their hard work. The kind of stuff you advocate is forced redistribution of wealth which the poor isn't entitled to since they haven't worked for the money.

[Fro]

He was giving them the money they earned through their hard work. The kind of stuff you advocate is forced redistribution of wealth which the poor isn't entitled to since they haven't worked for the money.

thats a common misconception that the poor dont work hard. Some jobs just dont pay that much money but people still do them. Plus theres many toher ways to become poor other then not working hard.

[Killuminati]

thats a common misconception that the poor dont work hard. Some jobs just dont pay that much money but people still do them. Plus theres many toher ways to become poor other then not working hard.

I didn't even say they didn't work hard...

[Matriel]

But ireland has more economic freedom and thats part of Europe. Lol at american idiots!

Sure, on an overall ranking. The part I was talking about was the fiscal freedom, which relates to income taxation. In which case, Ireland is not lower than the US.

[Bawlin]

Thats unfair. You generalized an entire continent.

Well, all I've seen in this thread is people make generalizations about one country that is half the population of Europe, so cry more.

[Gloomrender]

Pretty much got my answer...

[Zelmor]

Still you got medical and health care in Ireland, which the US sold out long ago. Anyways, job sites if you plan to move to the green island.

www.fas.ie
www.jobs.ie
www.bestjobs.ie
www.irishjobs.ie
www.loadzajobs.ie

[Fro]

Sure, on an overall ranking. The part I was talking about was the fiscal freedom, which relates to income taxation. In which case, Ireland is not lower than the US.

hmm that ranking has system has confused me. Ireland has a fiscal freedom percentage of 73% but America has a fiscal freedom rating of 68.3% and yet the overall tax revenue as a percentage of GDP was 26.8 percent for America but irelands was 30.5 percent. Which is it that maters?

[Fro]

Well, all I've seen in this thread is people make generalizations about one country that is half the population of Europe, so cry more.

Half the population means that its less of a generalisation but to be fair theres been generalisations flying everywhere.

[Uzik]

America's healthcare system sucks.

That is why foreign dignitaries come to the US for complex medical procedures...

[Fro]

America's healthcare system sucks.

That is why foreign dignitaries come to the US for complex medical procedures...

American healthcare > British health care but i think ours is cheaper not sure. Last time i heard i think the french had the best healthcare.

[Ludo]

I live in Norway, and I would love to go to the States for a year - Practice parkour & Martial arts.

I mean, Europe and Scandinavia generally is good for steady jobs and a decent life. But as mentioned it does not offer that many "opportunities" considering the state has claimed ownership of everything.

Maybe I'll move to Ireland.

[Fro]

I live in Norway, and I would love to go to the States for a year - Practice parkour & Martial arts.

I mean, Europe and Scandinavia generally is good for steady jobs and a decent life. But as mentioned it does not offer that many "opportunities" considering the state has claimed ownership of everything.

Maybe I'll move to Ireland.

Scandinavia uis part of europe stop being stop trying to deny it! So is ireland btw.

[Shads]

What about the IRA in great brittain, the CCC in Belgium, the Basques in Spain, the muslim youth and Algerian terrorists in france, fundamentalist muslims in holland, etc

IRA is about geopolitics, they want an independent Northern Ireland.

ETA is pretty much done for, they're so weak they're probably going to rot away in the next few years.

No such thing as muslim youth in France, I think you've got the wrong country there.

For the rest of em, they had to do with the countries respective foreign policies. And please don't tell me you believe that shitty "they hates our lifestyles argument".

In Holland it had everything to do with Islam and in Belgium it was about political philosophies.

Imo it was more about revenge killings than some all-out assault on society.

[Uzik]

American healthcare > British health care but i think ours is cheaper not sure. Last time i heard i think the french had the best healthcare.

http://www.lesjones.com/posts/004642.shtml

It is not easy to find good statistics to show actual quality of health care. Mainly because people always try to make the statistics out to be a social agenda (i.e. using people without health care or cost as a metric).

America has the best doctors and medical facilities. We also have specialized treatment that is not available in other countries. Why? Because other countries only look at what the entire country needs, not what you need. In America practices will spring up to treat rare conditions as long as there is money in.

Capitalism > Socialism
US Health Care > The World

More recent and reputable source:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/561737

U S A
U S A

Survival was significantly higher in the United States for all solid tumors, except testicular, stomach, and soft-tissue cancer, the authors report. The greatest differences were seen in the major cancer sites: colon and rectum (56.2% in Europe vs 65.5% in the United States), breast (79.0% vs 90.1%), and prostate cancer (77.5% vs 99.3%)

Shit, I would feel bad for any man getting prostate cancer in Europe. 22% more likely to die. Wow. GG Europe. Enjoying that free health care still?

[Shads]

http://www.lesjones.com/posts/004642.shtml

It is not easy to find good statistics to show actual quality of health care. Mainly because people always try to make the statistics out to be a social agenda (i.e. using people without health care or cost as a metric).

America has the best doctors and medical facilities. We also have specialized treatment that is not available in other countries. Why? Because other countries only look at what the entire country needs, not what you need. In America practices will spring up to treat rare conditions as long as there is money in.

Capitalism > Socialism
US Health Care > The World

I don't know what misconception you're suffering from, but there are a lot of private medical institutions in Europe. And anyway, the continent is so diverse that any sort of generalisation is just a load of shite.

[shnedit]

. We also have specialized treatment that is not available in other countries.

Like how to cure fat people? Why dont they do that?

[Shads]

Like how to cure fat people? Why dont they do that?

They do it, it's called liposuction and surprisingly it doesn't work and it costs a lot of money. All thanks to the great standard of healthcare of course.

[Uzik]

Like how to cure fat people? Why dont they do that?

I would rather be fat than dead.

GG Europe. L2TreatCancer IMO.

I don't know what misconception you're suffering from, but there are a lot of private medical institutions in Europe. And anyway, the continent is so diverse that any sort of generalisation is just a load of shite.

There is no generalization. We beat everyone in Europe by a significant amount. Sorry that your state sponsored health care doesn't provide the same quality that we do.

[Aragoni]

http://www.lesjones.com/posts/004642.shtml

It is not easy to find good statistics to show actual quality of health care. Mainly because people always try to make the statistics out to be a social agenda (i.e. using people without health care or cost as a metric).

America has the best doctors and medical facilities. We also have specialized treatment that is not available in other countries. Why? Because other countries only look at what the entire country needs, not what you need. In America practices will spring up to treat rare conditions as long as there is money in.

Capitalism > Socialism
US Health Care > The World

More recent and reputable source:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/561737

U S A
U S A



Shit, I would feel bad for any man getting prostate cancer in Europe. 22% more likely to die. Wow. GG Europe. Enjoying that free health care still?

Lulz Uzik, since when did Europe's healthcare become free? :rolleyes:

[Fro]

I would rather be fat than dead.

GG Europe. L2TreatCancer IMO.



There is no generalization. We beat everyone in Europe by a significant amount. Sorry that your state sponsored health care doesn't provide the same quality that we do.

We Have private Health care which is just as good as yours. You should realy try visiting other countries instead of reading somit like the washington post and going omg Europe is one big country and were better than them!

[Shads]

There is no generalization. We beat everyone in Europe by a significant amount. Sorry that your state sponsored health care doesn't provide the same quality that we do.

Care to quote a source. And sorry if I don't agree with your definition of best being letting 90% of the people die so that a few fat rich bastards can live until they become like Jabba.

[Aragoni]

We Have private Health care which is just as good as yours. You should realy try visiting other countries instead of reading somit like the washington post and going omg Europe is one big country and were better than them!

This of course depends on which country in Europe we are talking about. In Sweden we have private dentists and such but I've never heard about whole hospitals with surgery and everything.

There was a debate about some doctors putting up a private hospital but the Social Democrats got freakin' mad and refused to let it happen.
Gonna try to find a link but I'm not sure I can find it (it was a year ago since I read it).

[Fro]

This of course depends on which country in Europe we are talking about. In Sweden we have private dentists and such but I've never heard about whole hospitals with surgery and everything.

There was a debate about some doctors putting up a private hospital but the Social Democrats got freakin' mad and refused to let it happen.
Gonna try to find a link but I'm not sure I can find it (it was a year ago since I read it).

Yes it does depends on where yuo live in Europe but where i live we have private health care as well of the NHS and i was talking about where i live (sorry for not making that clear).

[Aragoni]

Yes it does depends on where yuo live in Europe but where i live we have private health care as well of the NHS and i was talking about where i live (sorry for not making that clear).

Where do you live? ;)

[Gunther TheBlack]

No?

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/country.cfm?id=Switzerland
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/country.cfm?id=Unitedstates


I'm looking for teh study itself, I only found this atm.

But overall tax pressure is in Swiss lower than in the USA.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/front/detail/Study_confirms_Switzerland_as_tax_paradi se.html?siteSect=105&sid=8501941&cKey=1196945755000&ty=st


Edit; Here's more info on it.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/tax-freedom-day-set-april-29

The USA still scores amongst the best, but there are euro countries that score even better but in general europe scores fucking lousy.

There are off course other factors as well. But in General Swiss scores pretty good lately.

[Fro]

Where do you live? ;)

Britain.

[Matriel]

I'm looking for teh study itself, I only found this atm.

But overall tax pressure is in Swiss lower than in the USA.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/front/detail/Study_confirms_Switzerland_as_tax_paradi se.html?siteSect=105&sid=8501941&cKey=1196945755000&ty=st


Edit; Here's more info on it.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/tax-freedom-day-set-april-29

The USA still scores amongst the best, but there are euro countries that score even better but in general europe scores fucking lousy.

There are off course other factors as well. But in General Swiss scores pretty good lately.

The first article was about corporate tax freedom and the 2nd about tax freedom day. Not really what I'm talking about. Although the Swiss probably have one of the better setups in Europe.

I'm jealous of the Czechs right now. Flat 13% tax rate they passed. Too bad they joined the EU, I'm sure that will spoil it.

[Fro]

The first article was about corporate tax freedom and the 2nd about tax freedom day. Not really what I'm talking about. Although the Swiss probably have one of the better setups in Europe.

I'm jealous of the Czechs right now. Flat 13% tax rate they passed. Too bad they joined the EU, I'm sure that will spoil it.

Thats another example of why trying to say Europes taxing system is shit is weird. It contains complete opposites. Why do Americans always try to group up Europe as one big country? We dont try to group north America as one country.

[Gunther TheBlack]

The first article was about corporate tax freedom and the 2nd about tax freedom day. Not really what I'm talking about. Although the Swiss probably have one of the better setups in Europe.

I'm jealous of the Czechs right now. Flat 13% tax rate they passed. Too bad they joined the EU, I'm sure that will spoil it.


HOLY SHIT 13% flat tax OWNZ.


I hope the union actually takes an example of this. If one country can work like this why the fuck not the rest?


There is a general tendency in europe from going from socialist to more liberal atm. That's why the unions and leeches are striking all over the continent atm. In Belgium the highest taxes also got lowered by 5% a bit back.

Let's hope the trend won't stop and keeps continuing.


GO GO GO Brittish social model and french liberal crazyness atm.

[Shads]

For all the tax maniacs here I heard Bulgaria has a 10% flat tax, maybe worth it to expatriate all your moneyz there ? :D

[Killuminati]

For all the tax maniacs here I heard Bulgaria has a 10% flat tax, maybe worth it to expatriate all your moneyz there ? :D

Sounds good

[Don JoHnson]

This thread really confuses me:
Americans claiming to be not selfish while saying in the same sentence "i dont want to give to the poor"

People saying "wow 10% tax rates, unbelievable what a country!" and in the same sentence they say country names like "czech" which has never ever been and never ever will be a great country in any sort of way, but hey they got low taxes!

Americans who say everyone can become rich by just plain hard work and thus stating that millions of americans are only lazy becasue they dont have a job, and even further they state this way that every one in this world can have a job and unemployment is just a consequence of lazyness.




The big problem is that most of the people think that the only right way is the extreme way.
"Only a complete free market is right!"
"Communism is wrong!"
"Healthcare is wrong!"
"Everyone can become rich!"
blah blah blah

Dont you get it? The more extreme an idea gets the wronger it gets. Not careing for anybody is plain wrong. careing for everybody who crys is plain wrong. Caring for those who deserve it is right.
Healthcare for everyone is wrong. Healthcare for nobody is wrong. HEalthcare for those who need it is right.

America isnt the best in the universe in everything they do, europe isnt as well. There are ideas of the US which are superior to those of other countrys (everything is possible if you have the money == progress) but there are ideas which are the worst of all (blind patriotism == root of all evil)
Same goes for europe.

Now try to be clever and try to find those ideas who are not extreme, and especially try to think of the reason someone came up with this idea (healthcare was not created because of some lazy people who didnt want to pay the money for the doctor, it was invented becasue it was seen to be not human to let people become/stay ill becasue they cant afford it)

[Matriel]

This thread really confuses me:
Americans claiming to be not selfish while saying in the same sentence "i dont want to give to the poor"

Learn to read. Everyone has said it's wrong to be forced to give to the poor. Americans still hold the record for most private donations to charity. Stop not reading everything that is posted to fit your viewpoint.

People saying "wow 10% tax rates, unbelievable what a country!" and in the same sentence they say country names like "czech" which has never ever been and never ever will be a great country in any sort of way, but hey they got low taxes!


Any country that doesn't infringe upon it's citizens in a great amount and lets them do what they want is a great country. Why would you compare former imperial powers of yesterdecade with tons of liberty violations to a place that has good amounts of freedom (both social and economic)?

I'm not even bothering with the rest of your post. You need to learn to comprehend what people are saying instead of going with a kneejerk emotional response.

[Ultimo]

This thread really confuses me:
Americans claiming to be not selfish while saying in the same sentence "i dont want to give to the poor"

People saying "wow 10% tax rates, unbelievable what a country!" and in the same sentence they say country names like "czech" which has never ever been and never ever will be a great country in any sort of way, but hey they got low taxes!

Americans who say everyone can become rich by just plain hard work and thus stating that millions of americans are only lazy becasue they dont have a job, and even further they state this way that every one in this world can have a job and unemployment is just a consequence of lazyness.




The big problem is that most of the people think that the only right way is the extreme way.
"Only a complete free market is right!"
"Communism is wrong!"
"Healthcare is wrong!"
"Everyone can become rich!"
blah blah blah

Dont you get it? The more extreme an idea gets the wronger it gets. Not careing for anybody is plain wrong. careing for everybody who crys is plain wrong. Caring for those who deserve it is right.
Healthcare for everyone is wrong. Healthcare for nobody is wrong. HEalthcare for those who need it is right.

America isnt the best in the universe in everything they do, europe isnt as well. There are ideas of the US which are superior to those of other countrys (everything is possible if you have the money == progress) but there are ideas which are the worst of all (blind patriotism == root of all evil)
Same goes for europe.

Now try to be clever and try to find those ideas who are not extreme, and especially try to think of the reason someone came up with this idea (healthcare was not created because of some lazy people who didnt want to pay the money for the doctor, it was invented becasue it was seen to be not human to let people become/stay ill becasue they cant afford it)

But you see, the majority of unemployed folk are unemployed because they are lazy here. Do you know how easy it is to get a job in this country? It may not be glamorous, but it will be a job. I drive 10 minutes to work and I see now hiring signs all over. Why do you think Mexicans flood here?

[AtanasRikard]

Yep because we give it to people who need it. We obviously care about people more than you......

Two things. First of all, if you take from the people who don't need it and give to the people who do need it, why do you have a computer, or the internet? You don't need the shit, it's just frivolous waste when you could give that money to some schlub sleeping in a cardboard box.

Second, if your government stopped taxing you, would you still donate 1/2 or 3/4 of your earnings to charity?

If you don't sell your computer and cancel your internet then you are no better than an American. If you don't say yes to the second part, you are no better than an American. Don't fucking pretend you are better than anyone else when you enjoy the fruits of your own labor, just like everyone else. Don't say you care more about people when it's not your choice whether or not your money goes to helping other people, obviously you still have more money than you need because you are spending it frivolously on a computer and internet service that you don't need when you could be giving it to someone else in need. You are a joke.

[Don JoHnson]

But you see, the majority of unemployed folk are unemployed because they are lazy here. Do you know how easy it is to get a job in this country? It may not be glamorous, but it will be a job. I drive 10 minutes to work and I see now hiring signs all over. Why do you think Mexicans flood here?

as you said: "mayjority" -> not all!

Now its the duty of the gov to separate those who deserve help and those who are lazy.(a mother with 4 kids maybe cant go to work although she wants to(lets not discuss the idea of "why did she get 4 kids instead of 1 and a job" please this would lead too far away).

While my country gives everyone money and most of them more than enough, in america it seems the other way round.
Instead of pointing to the other laughing "your system is wrong" we should sit down and create a better system.

just my 2 european cents

[Slypieguy]

Enjoy your (more) socialist police state and smelly ppl

[Shads]

Enjoy your (more) socialist police state and smelly ppl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D11Pyo_KOMk

[Ultimo]

as you said: "mayjority" -> not all!

Now its the duty of the gov to separate those who deserve help and those who are lazy.(a mother with 4 kids maybe cant go to work although she wants to(lets not discuss the idea of "why did she get 4 kids instead of 1 and a job" please this would lead too far away).

While my country gives everyone money and most of them more than enough, in america it seems the other way round.
Instead of pointing to the other laughing "your system is wrong" we should sit down and create a better system.

just my 2 european cents

If a mother has 4 kids that's no excuse. It's called putting the dick down. Easy enough solution. Or just find a job with on site day care.

[Slypieguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D11Pyo_KOMk

I don't get it, I'm jealous of Europe because of...?
It is closer to Asia, that's about all I can think of.

[Killuminati]

The big problem is that most of the people think that the only right way is the extreme way.
"Only a complete free market is right!"
"Communism is wrong!"
"Healthcare is wrong!"
"Everyone can become rich!"
blah blah blah

Dont you get it? The more extreme an idea gets the wronger it gets. Not careing for anybody is plain wrong. careing for everybody who crys is plain wrong. Caring for those who deserve it is right.
Healthcare for everyone is wrong. Healthcare for nobody is wrong. HEalthcare for those who need it is right.

America isnt the best in the universe in everything they do, europe isnt as well. There are ideas of the US which are superior to those of other countrys (everything is possible if you have the money == progress) but there are ideas which are the worst of all (blind patriotism == root of all evil)
Same goes for europe.

Now try to be clever and try to find those ideas who are not extreme, and especially try to think of the reason someone came up with this idea (healthcare was not created because of some lazy people who didnt want to pay the money for the doctor, it was invented becasue it was seen to be not human to let people become/stay ill becasue they cant afford it)

Lets see what sounds more like extreme idealism.

1) The person who says, "People have the right to keep their hard earned money and choose whether or not they would like to donate to others."

2) Or the person who says, "I believe that those who who earn a larger income than others will be forced to pay for those who are poor. We shall do this by having the government decide how much we shall extract from those with higher incomes. If these people were to not comply then they shall be arrested.

Gonna have to go with option 2

[Darq]

cough ok the ultimate reason why europe > usa (europe turns into usa ahaha ok psssht)

http://fukung.net/v/3337/Euro%20v%20USA%20Thongs.jpg

fuck it let's stereotype more
most americans are complete idiots, but so are most europeans, asians and africans
the majority of this world's population is dumb as bread
so rejoice and have some fun life is too short to spend it hating
if anything you and we should hate the real enemies our governments

[Fro]

I don't get it, I'm jealous of Europe because of...?
It is closer to Asia, that's about all I can think of.

No because we are better than you in every way? The only reason your beloved country exists is because of europe. Its like our dirty basterd child and we disowned you a long time ago.

[Matriel]

No because we are better than you in every way? The only reason your beloved country exists is because of europe. Its like our dirty basterd child and we disowned you a long time ago.

You had to turn into the US (EU) to compete with your bastard child there old man.

[Fro]

You had to turn into the US (EU) to compete with your bastard child there old man.

only because we were so busy owning each other we forgot about you.

[Matriel]

only because we were so busy owning each other we forgot about you.

Funny considering your country still exists because of Lend-Lease and the Marshall Plan. ;)

[Fro]

Funny considering your country still exists because of Lend-Lease and the Marshall Plan. ;)

Well it was about time you repayed us!