You, Your Clan, or Your Realm?

[coder1024]

After searching through the poll center, I haven't found a poll which covers this (apologies if I missed it). This indirectly comes up from time to time in various threads, so I thought I'd pose the question here. Hopefully this is stated clearly enough so you understand what I'm getting at.

Obviously, we haven't played DFO yet, so this is speculation, but based on what you know now and your experience in gaming....

Which do you think will more heavily weigh into your decisions/actions in DFO? Will it be all about individual revenge? Will it be all about fighting your clan's enemies? Or will it be all about fighting your realm's enemies as setup with the alignment system?

In other words, which do you weigh more heavily when deciding whether or not to take out that other player? Do you consider realm alignment status important enough to out-weigh other concerns? Do you consider your clan ally/enemy list as more important? Or is it just about individual revenge?

Where do you have the most allegiance? Yourself and your own hit list/friends list, your clan, or your realm?

[Osirus]

hmm interesting poll

[Daarco]

Clan!
I wouldent join a clan if i didnt wanna fight for it :D

[Septus]

In other words, which do you weigh more heavily when deciding whether or not to take out that other player? Do you consider realm alignment status important enough to out-weigh other concerns? Do you consider your clan ally/enemy list as more important? Or is it just about individual revenge?


I chose clan, but there's one exception. If my clan is at war with another guild of the same/similar race (ie: human vs. human), and I'm confronted with an alfar and a human from that clan, I think the rules blur a little bit.

I would probably position myself where the human is in between myself and the alfar, to be sure that I can kill them both ;)

[coder1024]

I chose clan, but there's one exception. If my clan is at war with another guild of the same/similar race (ie: human vs. human), and I'm confronted with an alfar and a human from that clan, I think the rules blur a little bit.

I would probably position myself where the human is in between myself and the alfar, to be sure that I can kill them both ;)
interesting point, although as long as you kill them both in the end its all good :-)

[Echo Del' Torre]

Obviousily my own decisions will weigh most, if the clan doesn't agree with me or won't let me get some sort of revenge, back me up, I won't be in that clan long.

[andy9306]

I would consider all three points while making decisions.

I am not really one for personal revenge.

I am strongly against being ordered to do something that i am morally against.

I play characters who are not bound by societies prejudices. i.e. I don't hate racial enemies.

So really all three aren't that important to me.

[Dagger]

clan all the way, tho of course id sooner kill and opposing race then an allied race unless my clan was at war with them

sidenote:n i hope the alinment hitn is not applied if u kill after they attack u first

[Insomniak]

i hope the alinment hitn is not applied if u kill after they attack u first

agreed

[Harmar]

I am strongly against being ordered to do something that i am morally against.


How can you have morals in a video game hahaha. I listen and bow to Savant's will, fuck surly.

[Shadow Walker2020]

My alligence lies to me and me alone. Everyone else can go kill themselves for all I care.

[Dagger]

My alligence lies to me and me alone. Everyone else can go kill themselves for all I care.

:D ur the best man, i member u from way back when i started forumfall

[Leric]

After searching through the poll center, I haven't found a poll which covers this (apologies if I missed it). This indirectly comes up from time to time in various threads, so I thought I'd pose the question here. Hopefully this is stated clearly enough so you understand what I'm getting at.

Obviously, we haven't played DFO yet, so this is speculation, but based on what you know now and your experience in gaming....

Which do you think will more heavily weigh into your decisions/actions in DFO? Will it be all about individual revenge? Will it be all about fighting your clan's enemies? Or will it be all about fighting your realm's enemies as setup with the alignment system?

In other words, which do you weigh more heavily when deciding whether or not to take out that other player? Do you consider realm alignment status important enough to out-weigh other concerns? Do you consider your clan ally/enemy list as more important? Or is it just about individual revenge?

Where do you have the most allegiance? Yourself and your own hit list/friends list, your clan, or your realm?



Guild of course.

[andy9306]

clan all the way, tho of course id sooner kill and opposing race then an allied race unless my clan was at war with them

sidenote:n i hope the alinment hitn is not applied if u kill after they attack u first

We've been told that it does not apply. We have also been told that there are several situations in which you do not take a negative alignment hit from killing someone of an allied race.

[Tronglonok]

The clan, no doubt about it.

Altho I'd say I would consider all three. Least the realm factor tho :)

If I get presented with two targets, say an enemy dwarf and an alfar, I'll let em fight it out and kill whichever wins :) Piece of cake :P

[Asbestos]

me, myself and umm... me of course... when your in the covert business... its good to be alone...

[Truth]

I see the clan first. If you are in a clan and are against what they want you to do, you suck it up and do it. It's called command and order. Life isn't always fair, and you should do your part to make it work.

RPing can be very fun. If your race hates another, but you have no grudge against a random person you find of that race, do you kill them? Most would not.

[no-one]

My clan leader sets policy, I am just a simple soldier. (thats the part that everyone should be worried about)

[KiSsLuiGi]

Which do you think will more heavily weigh into your decisions/actions in DFO? Will it be all about individual revenge? Will it be all about fighting your clan's enemies? Or will it be all about fighting your realm's enemies as setup with the alignment system?

Where do you have the most allegiance? Yourself and your own hit list/friends list, your clan, or your realm?

I would defenatly go for the clan. I would help my clan in whatever way I can, by the moment I join them :)

[Maximuz]

Clan always comes first.
This is why the good guilds have been around years.
The guys you play with are your friends, not just fellow gamers.

[Asbestos]

Clan always comes first.
This is why the good guilds have been around years.
The guys you play with are your friends, not just fellow gamers.

i disconcur! think about the game, tremulous: [SWAT] around for a year or 2 then they died, they all new eachother in RL too...
another one: Ragnarok Online: [i have forgotten the guild name] alive for 3 years absolutely DOMINATED Woe and Mvp then died for an unknown reason...

[Silvereye]

Clan always comes first.
This is why the good guilds have been around years.
The guys you play with are your friends, not just fellow gamers.

Ahem.

Friend = Someone you'd give an arm for.

Love = Someone you'd die for.


Am I missing something? Or are my definitions of these words too 'extreme' for some/any of you? Since I see them as normal.

I wouldn't give my arm for some fuck I met on the net. Nor would I want to meet them IRL, hell no!

[losinglife]

Your clan followed by You

[coder1024]

Honestly, I was originally going to create the poll with only the "guild" or "realm" options. As I was creating it, I thought some may complain that the non-guilded option wasn't available. Glad I added it.

My real curiosity in doing the poll was to find out what level of importance people were assigning to the realm/alignment system relative to the other options. To me, the realm/alignment system adds flavor to the game, but in no way would control/determine my actions when it comes time to choose between that or my guild. To me, the guild politics and "player-created alignment" are WAY more important than static realm alignment based on race.

I was curious about that because it repeatedly comes up on the forums in threads. The whole, "what about the effect on your alignment?" question. Or the, "but how would that work because you'd take an alignment hit?" question. Or perhaps the, "how can we make this system work so you can avoid alignment hits?" question.

Anyway, to me you follow your clan first, you kill your clan's enemies and help your clan's allies (or, as shown in the poll, *your* enemies and allies if you choose you over a clan), be they of the same or different races and you don't worry about alignment and alignment hits over that. Someone isn't going to get a pass because they're of the same race if they're an enemy of your guild.

Thanks for voting. Interesting results :-)

[Red Morgan]

My clan comes first, but I'm a close second. The good thing about being a GL is that my personal revenge does become clan business if I choose it to be. lol

[Metal Wolf]

Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me



me






... ... ... ... guild.




I think that sums it up.

[Balicus]

Screw the realm, I fight for myself and the clan.

[lordlemur]

I may be a bit left feild but order of importance is...

1) helps me long term.

2) helps me short term.

3) makes you cry.

The guild, realm crap is just kinda twisted. If your guild sucks, screw them. If they are good then doing what is best for the guild is almost always in your own enlightened self intrest. This would then also extend to any guild alliance. If something is better served to some one then it is to you and that person will extend the same consideration to you, well ofcourse your going to give it to them. There seems to be absolutly no benifit from the health of your Realm, so screw the realm. I have found some of the best pvp stems from playing on the unhealthy or weaker side. That means that players flock to the stronger one and give you a target rich enviroment. If PvE isn't essential for player progression, i.e. levelless and full item loot, then it seems you would be better served to damage your realm.

just MHO

Lemur

[Sir_Ieu]

I will follow the Clan leadership, as long as they pursue honorable endeavors, in any direction that leads.

[Darkmatter]

For the King!

[Protonix]

Unless the clan is paying for my subscription, I owe it to myself to make sure my wants and needs are met first.

But usually they are in line with the best needs of the guild.

[Bobkat]

Realm first (any enemy of Malek deserves an arrow through the chest, fortunately that list is long)
Clan Second (any enemy of my clan deserves an arror through the chest, mmmm the list grows longer)
Myself (if they piss me off an happen to be a fellow servant of malek and also happen to not be of use to my clan then they'll get an arrow through the chest)

I think the lone wolves out there are going to have a real hard time surviving without the support of a clan. I don't see it as a possibility to travel alone without getting ganked by an opposing race or some small group of pirates. Normally I like to solo in MMO's but in darkfall (if the mechanics are implemented as has been suggested) it's laughable to even consider. I'll enforce clan law and because the lore has been put together so nicely with the racial tensions I'll let my fellow race alone (because it's easier to destroy all the other races when your not fighting amongst yourselves). Although it would be nice if they put a mechanic in that if you joined a racially divergent clan you would be an outcast from your race and become kos just like those you joined.

[coder1024]

Realm first (any enemy of Malek deserves an arrow through the chest, fortunately that list is long)
Clan Second (any enemy of my clan deserves an arror through the chest, mmmm the list grows longer)
Myself (if they piss me off an happen to be a fellow servant of malek and also happen to not be of use to my clan then they'll get an arrow through the chest)

I think the lone wolves out there are going to have a real hard time surviving without the support of a clan. I don't see it as a possibility to travel alone without getting ganked by an opposing race or some small group of pirates. Normally I like to solo in MMO's but in darkfall (if the mechanics are implemented as has been suggested) it's laughable to even consider. I'll enforce clan law and because the lore has been put together so nicely with the racial tensions I'll let my fellow race alone (because it's easier to destroy all the other races when your not fighting amongst yourselves). Although it would be nice if they put a mechanic in that if you joined a racially divergent clan you would be an outcast from your race and become kos just like those you joined.
to me, there's no safety because of race. considering someone friendly simply for the race they chose at char creation doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Granted, they might be considered neutral, but being the same race doesn't, to me, grant any sort of favor. But my preference is more for the clan interactions than the static realm stuff. Thankfully with DFO, they're providing realm interaction as a feature but they aren't forcing it down your throat as the primary and only option as in other MMOs.

[zathorius]

if i got a great clan..i'd consider what they say..if i dont..i dont care A SINGLE THING of their opinion.

[Mangix]

i want to be a ninja in the game so hopefully i can find a small clan of ninja's whos interests match up with mine. if not then its all about numero uno baby, i'm not going to be one to deal with the inner politics set up by some 12 year old guild leader.

[Rossm]

I think my clan's goals come first, followed by mine, and then the realms.

[coder1024]

i want to be a ninja in the game so hopefully i can find a small clan of ninja's whos interests match up with mine. if not then its all about numero uno baby, i'm not going to be one to deal with the inner politics set up by some 12 year old guild leader.
If that's been your experience with guilds, then you've been playing in the wrong guilds. I think the trick is to find a group of people you enjoy playing with and either form a guild or join their guild. Joining some random guild that's mass recruiting can lead to the sort of opinion your expressing. Once you find a solid group of people that work together well as a team, you'll enjoy being part of that team. Yea, political situations always come up from time to time, but thats part of what makes games like DFO (with FFA PvP as opposed to only static RvR) so interesting and dynamic.

[Killa4sport]

Clan all the way! Criticalhit ftw!!

[Daprophet]

Clan
Me
then Realm.

[Kaorn]

Clan and Myself are equal

then Realm,

It would be a tough choice if I had to make one, and would probably change based on the circumstances

[coder1024]

Clan and Myself are equal

then Realm,

It would be a tough choice if I had to make one, and would probably change based on the circumstances
if they were truly equal, sounds like you'd have a tough time making decisions :-) I mean if you're in a situation where you have to decide between one or the other, one of them will end up being above the other.

[Paralda]

Clan without a doubt.

[TokFarlig]

^ As the fella above.
The clan will always be in first hand.

[Agge]

Me, me and ME!

Clan is there to make things possible I can't do myself, it's there to not only help me ofcourse, it's l a win/win thing.

But, when it al comes down Im only loyal to myself, except for irl friends that is.

Soo you might wanna add that option to you poll, if me or my pals benefit frome something I'll probebly do it, regardless what race or clan they may be in.

[Pelmo]

I see the clan first. If you are in a clan and are against what they want you to do, you suck it up and do it. It's called command and order. Life isn't always fair, and you should do your part to make it work.

RPing can be very fun. If your race hates another, but you have no grudge against a random person you find of that race, do you kill them? Most would not.

Fact of the matter is, this isn't really life, and if your doing something you really don't want to do its taking all the fun out of the game.

I voted "You" because...
At the end of the day clan's just basicly use until something/someone better comes along in my opinion.

[Targuil]

What?
What The?
What The Hell?
WTH?

[Attilius]

Aw, come on, you can't complete with the self-centered, freelancing rogue.

[jimmy]

Id probably say my clan.It seems in this game your clan is everything. theyre your friends and without friends in this you u will most likely be overpowered...I hear of people saying theyre going to go this lone wolf guy or a mercenary. Id think neither would work. Who in the right minds will pay for someone to be in theyre clan. and most people will be going around in groups so the lone wolf idea might not work either. :P

[VforRanger]

I said me because I buy the game I want to do what I think is fun in the game and if I happen to agree with what my clan wants to do then I will help but if it is interfering with something I want to do the probably not.

Also all of the sissys talking about not wanting to go lonewolf or saying can not go lonewolf, just because it is hard doesn't mean its impossible there will be dedicated players who go lonewolf and those guys will be able to fuck you up.

[piracy]

i will be going for enemy clans

[imalamer]

If and when I join a clan my fellow clanmates will get my selfless loyalty.
Thats just how I roll.

[omnigol]

This is a dumb question. You join a clan for yourself in the first place. You join a clan because you need a a group to own a city/defend it. You need a group to be able to defeat other groups. Inevitably your clan members ask things of you you'd might personal not do if you lived in a vacuum, because they aren't there for you, they're there for their own enjoyment and goals. So you consciously trade in your time, and maybe even your chances for revenge to maintain your place in your clan.

Seriously playing video games is only for yourself, and your own enjoyment with your free time. To even humor the idea of 'servitude' and 'sacrifice' is a joke. Trading your in-game ability with others to attain your goals however is quite common place.

And doing things for your realm... a made up province in a video game? Only the most extreme RPers even attempt that, and they're consciously faking it.

[Dreign]

This is a dumb question. You join a clan for yourself in the first place. You join a clan because you need a a group to own a city/defend it. You need a group to be able to defeat other groups. Inevitably your clan members ask things of you you'd might personal not do if you lived in a vacuum, because they aren't there for you, they're there for their own enjoyment and goals. So you consciously trade in your time, and maybe even your chances for revenge to maintain your place in your clan.

Seriously playing video games is only for yourself, and your own enjoyment with your free time. To even humor the idea of 'servitude' and 'sacrifice' is a joke. Trading your in-game ability with others to attain your goals however is quite common place.

And doing things for your realm... a made up province in a video game? Only the most extreme RPers even attempt that, and they're consciously faking it.

The poll is hardly stupid, and not everyone would agree with what you're saying, but mainly just the first point (I also find it humorous that people voted for the Lore goals as being most important).

Firstly, if a clan is merely a bunch of individual-minded glory-seekers, I feel very sorry for them. They will be crushed by those clans which are balanced in their endeavors of commerce, politics, exploration and conquest, working together with deadly efficiency and as a well-oiled machine. Also, I think most would agree that Darkfall will not be very kind to those who are in weak clans, nor those who choose the vagabond path (wandering around, killing whomever they wish without any care of alignment hits making them "red.")

As a member of a clan, being a reckless idiot who cares only for your own justice and revenge should prove to be detrimental to the plans of any intelligent and well thought-out clan, so I see great value in taking my clan's direction and goals seriously. By doing so, I'm looking out for what's best for me as well.

If I can avoid making a bunch of new enemies for my clan by not going out and being a reckless idiot, I'm doing what I can to ensure our (my) future is more secure by avoiding needless friction with other clans, which could build up until we have enemies on all sides.

For me, it does come down to some degree of "sacrifice" for my clan, but since the success of my clan is of the utmost importance to my ultimate success in Darkfall, the sacrifice is for myself as well. I voted "Clan."

[Rigsbee]

Everything for my clan.

[coder1024]

This is a dumb question. You join a clan for yourself in the first place. You join a clan because you need a a group to own a city/defend it. You need a group to be able to defeat other groups. Inevitably your clan members ask things of you you'd might personal not do if you lived in a vacuum, because they aren't there for you, they're there for their own enjoyment and goals. So you consciously trade in your time, and maybe even your chances for revenge to maintain your place in your clan.

Seriously playing video games is only for yourself, and your own enjoyment with your free time. To even humor the idea of 'servitude' and 'sacrifice' is a joke. Trading your in-game ability with others to attain your goals however is quite common place.

And doing things for your realm... a made up province in a video game? Only the most extreme RPers even attempt that, and they're consciously faking it.
No offense, but not everyone views their guild that way. From your post, you see it as either a resource to let you do something in game or servitude. You're someone who basically plays an MMO as a single player game. To many, though, a guild is a group of players they enjoy gaming with. To many, a guild is a persistent entity that spans multiple games. A guild isn't just an "in game" construct. Its a group of players that go together through many games. When you're in this sort of guild, you wouldn't see it the way you're painting it. Its not just something to help you get farther in game. And its not servitude. You enjoy playing with these players and want the guild to succeed. This is what its all about in guild-centric games as opposed to individual player-centric games like WoW. Regardless, you obiously have an opinion on the topic so that sort of illustrates that the poll isn't stupid :-)
The poll is hardly stupid, and not everyone would agree with what you're saying, but mainly just the first point (I also find it humorous that people voted for the Lore goals as being most important).

Firstly, if a clan is merely a bunch of individual-minded glory-seekers, I feel very sorry for them. They will be crushed by those clans which are balanced in their endeavors of commerce, politics, exploration and conquest, working together with deadly efficiency and as a well-oiled machine. Also, I think most would agree that Darkfall will not be very kind to those who are in weak clans, nor those who choose the vagabond path (wandering around, killing whomever they wish without any care of alignment hits making them "red.")

As a member of a clan, being a reckless idiot who cares only for your own justice and revenge should prove to be detrimental to the plans of any intelligent and well thought-out clan, so I see great value in taking my clan's direction and goals seriously. By doing so, I'm looking out for what's best for me as well.

If I can avoid making a bunch of new enemies for my clan by not going out and being a reckless idiot, I'm doing what I can to ensure our (my) future is more secure by avoiding needless friction with other clans, which could build up until we have enemies on all sides.

For me, it does come down to some degree of "sacrifice" for my clan, but since the success of my clan is of the utmost importance to my ultimate success in Darkfall, the sacrifice is for myself as well. I voted "Clan."
I think its just that a lot of players have that mindset of the other poster simpy because they've "grown up" (MMO-gaming wise) in games like WoW where its basically a game about them and their character, and advancing, and oh by the way there are other players involved as well :-) To them a clan is just some entity formed in game to achieve a goal. They don't understand the concept of a group of players who transcend any individual game and who work together toward common goals. It takes a different mindset to "get it" and perhaps experience playing a game which is truly player-run-guild-centric.

Yea, funny how there are actually people that voted for the realm as being the most important thing. These are the people that probably fit the mold I've described in this reply and most likely don't understand why someone would be playing the game as a guild and see that entity as the primary one in game.

Anyway, its clear that the lore-based realm conflict isn't the primary one of concern for most forumfallers. This is what I would have expected. I suppose the realm stuff will add flavor and maybe limit some of the n00b ganking, but in the end its about guilds and guild warfare, imo, with some lone wolves thrown in, though, they usually end up forming smaller alliances of their own out of necessity anyway.

[Cranson]

I had to think about this one. *ow*

I plan on choosing my clan carefully and selecting one loyal to whatever realm I will be in (probably human, but its so early still). Assuming I find a good home, realm and clan will be synonymous because we will rule the realm!

[TwistedAzrael]

Personal revenge is EVERYTHING! Don't even look at me the wrong way :ninja:!

[Tzacharu]

Me and my clan. If views conflict then I probably don't belong in the clan do I.

[daan16]

This guy has the reserruction ability. I'm Amaged.

[boxfetish]

Nice necro.

What I find most interesting about this poll?

That over 40% chose something other than "clan". Pretty interesting for a game which supposedly only cares about clan dynamics and interactions. Hmmm, it's almost like the poll is telling us that nearly one half of the player base cares about game dynamics other than clan warfare and sieging.

[mfcrackers]

Alfar only care about Alfar:faq:

[OvanOf Twilight]

I thought this thread died. No necromancy- I cast Holy Ray @ necro!

[kilkan]

I would hope the Me and My clan options would be one in the same
meaning if my clan hates them they they would disclose why which would make them my enemy too. If i hated someone then my clan would be willing to back me up making them a clan enemy.

[Incon]

Clan. Touch one of us and youre going down.


Edit: Just noticed the thread necromancing.

[Locien]

Clan, but in our case, clan also means Realm (Mirendil)

[III [C*D]]

Thank you for this poll it (not really but I'm going to throw it in your faces anyway) proves that a built in racial conflict is not needed.

[III [C*D]]

Nice necro.

What I find most interesting about this poll?

That over 40% chose something other than "clan". Pretty interesting for a game which supposedly only cares about clan dynamics and interactions. Hmmm, it's almost like the poll is telling us that nearly one half of the player base cares about game dynamics other than clan warfare and sieging.

rofl... ROFL... LOL... LMAO.

Hey look here is a poll that clearly shows that this game is designed around me. I am boxfetish, I am special.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[IamAhab]

I will have a clan but I'll kill anybody that looks at me cock-eyed. The more fighting the more entertaining the game is.

[Deja vu]

my clan probibly... me second, Race is important too but its 3rd on the list

[VidarDf]

if i got a great clan..i'd consider what they say..if i dont..i dont care A SINGLE THING of their opinion.

hmmm

[coder1024]

What I find most interesting about this poll?

That over 40% chose something other than "clan". Pretty interesting for a game which supposedly only cares about clan dynamics and interactions. Hmmm, it's almost like the poll is telling us that nearly one half of the player base cares about game dynamics other than clan warfare and sieging.
The significant result from this poll, imo, is that < 5% actually chose realm.

In DFO, you have the racial-conflict supported with the alignment system, and you have the player-controlled conflict supported by FFA PvP and the clan wars, city building/sieging systems.

My suspicion was always that the primary mechanic in DFO would be the player controlled conflict, not the manufactured racial conflict. Many on the forum seemed to have the opposite view, i.e. that it was all about the racial conflict and alignment and that your enemies were by default the enemy races and that all those of your race were by default allies.

That's why I created the poll, to try and raise this specific question. The results pretty clearly show that the you/your clan options are the overwhelming winners. 85% of the votes go to you/your clan and 5% to your realm.

I think it shows pretty clearly that people are looking forward to DFO for player controlled conflict, not a manufactured racial war.

When it comes to player control vs. pre-canned racial-based conflict, the you and your clan options go together because in both cases they represent players choosing who the enemy is and who the ally is as opposed to this being decided by the game/lore.

The only reason to have separate you/your clan choices in the poll is that you have lone wolves and/or people that, even if part of a clan, would still want to say they're independent thinkers and so their first allegiance is still to themselves and not their clan.

Regardless, whether its you or your clan, its all about player controlled conflict which I think is the point to take from the poll results.
;1172603']Thank you for this poll it (not really but I'm going to throw it in your faces anyway) proves that a built in racial conflict is not needed.
I wouldn't say its not needed. I think they have the racial conflict/alignment system in place to add some depth and to give people another RP aspect to the game and to prevent overly excessive n00b ganking of your own race. But, yea, the racial conflict, according to this poll at least, is nowhere near the primary interest for people.
;1172603'](not really but I'm going to throw it in your faces anyway)
QQ and here I thought you liked the poll :(

[DanMan3395]

The significant result from this poll, imo, is that < 5% actually chose realm.

In DFO, you have the racial-conflict supported with the alignment system, and you have the player-controlled conflict supported by FFA PvP and the clan wars, city building/sieging systems.

My suspicion was always that the primary mechanic in DFO would be the player controlled conflict, not the manufactured racial conflict. Many on the forum seemed to have the opposite view, i.e. that it was all about the racial conflict and alignment and that your enemies were by default the enemy races and that all those of your race were by default allies.

That's why I created the poll, to try and raise this specific question. The results pretty clearly show that the you/your clan options are the overwhelming winners. 85% of the votes go to you/your clan and 5% to your realm.

I think it shows pretty clearly that people are looking forward to DFO for player controlled conflict, not a manufactured racial war.

When it comes to player control vs. pre-canned racial-based conflict, the you and your clan options go together because in both cases they represent players choosing who the enemy is and who the ally is as opposed to this being decided by the game/lore.

The only reason to have separate you/your clan choices in the poll is that you have lone wolves and/or people that, even if part of a clan, would still want to say they're independent thinkers and so their first allegiance is still to themselves and not their clan.

Regardless, whether its you or your clan, its all about player controlled conflict which I think is the point to take from the poll results.

I wouldn't say its not needed. I think they have the racial conflict/alignment system in place to add some depth and to give people another RP aspect to the game and to prevent overly excessive n00b ganking of your own race. But, yea, the racial conflict, according to this poll at least, is nowhere near the primary interest for people.

QQ and here I thought you liked the poll :(

I would say the more important factor is the ability to make that decision rather than bottleneck the player base into either facet of the game.

[Stax]

I will likely support my clan in any way as my first choice in determining my actions.

[Zwarp]

Me (means if I enjoy the game I'll play it) > My clan > My realm can go fuck itself

Usually its My clan > Me, but i don't play a game if i don't like it even though my guild may, so its a bit complicated here
damn i was caught in a necro'ed thread..

[IcePillow]

Well, me naturally :)

[Jonkar]

My clan.

[Camelmix]

Well, seeing as the game is a game that allows you to respawn, who would vote for themselves? If I could chose between advancing my clan and advancing myself, I would and most people would chose their clan.

Oh and NECRO!!!!

[KalVasFlam]

As long as I can find a decent thief clan, my clan. Otherwise, my self. (Voted clan)

[Maize]

Really its situational. I value clan above my own affairs, but if I'm stuck in with a bunch of idiots, I'm going to do exactly as I please, and shit if they'll convince me not to. But if I'm in a good clan, with solid people, I'll respect their rules, and do what I can to help out.
as far as Realm? I'll probably kill every Alfar, Ork, and Puppy I see, unless I recognise their clan as being a good one or allied, or there is some gain from not killing them (or they have earned my respect for the moment), aka if an alfar happens along and I'm getting my ass kicked, and he helps me out and starts to make his merry way, chances are I'm not going to kill him. Shit...if he dies helping me out, I might even give his stuff back.
edit: voted clan btw

[Jao]

That may change... So I vote the last option

[Dark Necron]

Even though I am in a clan, I will still be a solo ranger. I work better alone. I will stand beside my clan in defensive/offensive operations, but spend most of my time freelancing.

[Lorthral]

My clan is first and foremost.

[Razli]

My clan is first and foremost.

I concur. My Clan would become before my life in some situations. But then Probably my Realm, and then myself. What can I say, Im selfless.

[coder1024]

Well, seeing as the game is a game that allows you to respawn, who would vote for themselves? If I could chose between advancing my clan and advancing myself, I would and most people would chose their clan.
I included that option as there are those out there which claim that they're gonna be lone wolves. If the choices were only your clan or your realm (I thought of doing that at first) I figured people would complain that there's no option for lone wolves.
Really its situational. I value clan above my own affairs, but if I'm stuck in with a bunch of idiots, I'm going to do exactly as I please, and shit if they'll convince me not to. But if I'm in a good clan, with solid people, I'll respect their rules, and do what I can to help out.
as far as Realm? I'll probably kill every Alfar, Ork, and Puppy I see, unless I recognise their clan as being a good one or allied, or there is some gain from not killing them (or they have earned my respect for the moment), aka if an alfar happens along and I'm getting my ass kicked, and he helps me out and starts to make his merry way, chances are I'm not going to kill him. Shit...if he dies helping me out, I might even give his stuff back.
edit: voted clan btw
yea, of course its situational in general, but the question is in regards to your primary allegiance. so if/when these things come in conflict whats the most important? whats your primary motive in the game? you get the idea.

The poll pretty much confirms what I had suspected. Players are looking for a clan vs. clan warfare game not a faction-based conflict. Most people aren't gonna have a primary allegiance to their racial group, its gonna be to their clan (and/or nation of allied clans and/or themselves for the lone wolf case).

Periodically discussions come up here where people seem to be confused about this and have the idea that the conflict is about races and alignment hits. I believe the alignment system is there to prevent excessive n00b ganking and add some depth to the game. But I think the primary lines of conflict will be along player-driven boundaries.

Many might say, duh! that's obvious. I agree :)

[eben19]

Im prolly not even to join a "clan" I will listen to no one but myself.

But it depends on teh situation. if it is something like killing a guy, i prolly wouldnt kill sum one that helps out my clan, or our server alot

[coder1024]

Im prolly not even to join a "clan" I will listen to no one but myself.

But it depends on teh situation. if it is something like killing a guy, i prolly wouldnt kill sum one that helps out my clan, or our server alot
Which clan would they be helping since you said you probably wouldn't join a clan? Is it your clan of 1? :)

[Thorpeyrox]

Definately my Clan, in previous games i've played I have always put my Clan first before other things. Why change now ;)

[Weeking]

I'll prefer having personal accords with non-clan members and other alignments and only really attack strangers instead of going after personal revenge I think. I don't think my guild will have particular enemies, at least if I'm Alfar. It'll be plenty of randoms to kill.

[Honorzeal]

I would consider all three points while making decisions.

I am not really one for personal revenge.

I am strongly against being ordered to do something that i am morally against.

I play characters who are not bound by societies prejudices. i.e. I don't hate racial enemies.

So really all three aren't that important to me.


Well said, for I concur.

[Wreatch]

For me, it will be about what i think, and then my clan. I don't much care for hardcoded alliances/yada so realm is out.

People must realize, in this game, much like shadowbane, you will pay a price for your actions. Kill the wrong dude, talk shit to the wrong dude, whatever, and your city could be gone in 36 hours.



I will consider lots of things in the instant i decide to kill someone, IE: did he fuck me over, could i gain something from him in the future, is he an old schooler, or could i perhaps gain his trust then rob em blind, is he a clan-sworn enemy, do we have history, has he killed me in the past, what is he wearing/yada yada.

[Phaethor]

I chose Myself.

Not because of some personal selfishness, but because I think it would benefit my Clan and my Realm.

For example:

As a Mahirim I will most likely kill every Mirdain I see with little to no pause or hesitation. This will of course benefit me (Loot, Higher Alignment for me, Less elfies, and higher degree of fear among them to venture into our lands), my Realm (Less elfies) and most likely my Clan (He will probably be in a hostile Clan).

If I see an Orc being attacked by several Humans and he is in a neutral or friendly Clan supporting him will benefit me (I've just made a new friend), my Realm (Less humans) and my Clan (Probably built a little stronger alliance between our Clans)

If I come across an Alfar and a Mirdain fighting. I will wait to see who wins then kill them. Benefits me (Double loot, Alignment), My Realm (Less elfies and darkies) and my Clan (We become even more feared).

So pretty much everything that benefits me in one way will benefit my Real and my Clan. While I cannot say the same for things that benefit my Realm or my Clam always benefiting me.

Best,

Phae

[Scabre]

Mmmhm... Most probably myself, but not in the sense that I would try to save myself at the expense of my clan, or shy away from death/personal loss at all. I'd gladly join a suicide attack and fight to the last man if it meant my clan would have an edge in the battle. However, I'm also kind of independant. I might decide for some reason I want to go to rubyiat just for a change of scene, even if that means that if something happens at the clan's city I'll be 8 hours away and unable/unwilling to go all the way back to help. Also, I if leave like this I'll probably ignore my clan's enemies, just cuz I have no reason to pick a fight with them so far away from the actual conflict.

So really it depends whether I'm "on duty" and in my clan's territory or on clan business, or if I'm on one of my personal outtings.

[Abra]

It's a high a position of myself, or my realm.

I am loyal to clans but, clans come and go.

And then maybe the whole realm goes wild, who's left? You.

[tazco]

I am going with you ........ i mean me lol

I plan on checking things out and learning before i join a clan.
That way its easyer to see whats out there.

[wataf]

fail choices. I woulda replied: in that order.

[Requiamer]

I voted realm, and i was very surprised the % for realm is so low. The poll is very interesting, but i don't think it will reflect the ingame data. Most players don't have clans when they got to play. The poll would have gain a lot of deepness if it was multi choice, from first most important to 3rd choice.

[coder1024]

I voted realm, and i was very surprised the % for realm is so low. The poll is very interesting, but i don't think it will reflect the ingame data. Most players don't have clans when they got to play. The poll would have gain a lot of deepness if it was multi choice, from first most important to 3rd choice.
no, multi-choice would have just muddied the waters. the question was which is the most important to you. which do you put up on a pedestal above the others. this assumes you're forced into a situation where you have to decide between them. so the responses about, well I have to find a clan first, etc. don't fit. Of course. If you don't have a clan and are a solo player but intend to join one then the question applies assuming you've now joined a clan and are forced to decide.

Its about people's preferences and what they view as the important allegience in the game. When I created the poll I had observed a lot of posts that seemed to indicate to met aht some felt the race wars and alignment aspect were the primary mode of conflict in the game. DFO is all about player driven conflict between clans. Sure, there are racial conflicts built into the game and there's the alignment thing, but imo the alignment penalty is there to curb excessive n00b ganking.

The primary mode of conflict will still be clan vs. clan. That or individuals which is why I included the solo option. But clearly, the preference is not realm vs. realm race wars. This isn't Warhammer Online where its all about the greenskins fighting the dwarves. The primary conflict is about clans and nations of clans battling it out.

Sure, in a game like Warhammer Online the racial conflict is the only thing you're permitted to engage in, since you can't fight those of your same race. But in a game like Shadowbane you find that the players decide on the teams and control their own destiny.

DFO is sort of a mix in that you have FFA and the ability for clan warfare, but you also have this racial war component. The point of the poll is to ask which is the most important to you.

[eztrooper]

Me.

I dont play FFA games so I can hold other peoples hands.

[auutumn]

Why should I really care......

[Rivnen]

I voted Clan
Hmm, well for the most part its going to be clan for me, whether that's an actual war or just helping a buddy gank a few who jumped him earlier doesn't matter.

However, what I consider most important will be the area I decide to have my character "live" in. That's the area where I will heavily PvP trespassing.

[Galaturc]

This actually is a very valuable poll. I said "You". Then, my clan (currently DoW) would follow, and my realm comes last.

[Dekay]

Unless the clan is paying for my subscription, I owe it to myself to make sure my wants and needs are met first.

But usually they are in line with the best needs of the guild.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

[SpectralColt]

i said me, not really into being heroic or anything, if my friends/clan members have somthing i want then ill kill them for it and if i get chucked out oh well life goes on, ill find a new group!

[Tusen0]

Im going clan. Mostly be living near the clan main city or doing orders by the clan leaders. And in times of war, i will stand on the wall and shoot down whoever that closes in. But ill do some independent work too. i want to build a little house in the forest and hide a huge fortune there, just for fun. If anyone stands in my way or my clans way i will kill them even if they are same race.

[Eisenhower-TP]

Clan 100%

[Khael[SUN]]

somewhere in between "You" and "Your clan" for me... voted "your clan" because i think it weighs in a bit more than my personal ego even if its quite big.

[Heinousone]

It has to be clan. There will be times when the clan will have to fight clans of the same "realm" if you consider the racial kingdoms part of that. Resources will be fought over, considering many of your neighbors will be of the same kingdom that makes it lightly that fighting for your clan will at times put you at odds with other clans of the same races.

Fighting for yourself? Wont last long without clan.

[Ocoma]

Clan

[Lictor]

My clan.

[freeman4550]

I think clan and myself will choose actions.

[Andarien]

I'd say my clan. I did enjoy the RvR aspects in WAR however. I haven't found a clan yet but am looking for one that doesn't partner with "enemy" races.

[Meteovex]

I have to go with "you" for this poll. I chose a clan that was a bit more relaxed so that I didn't feel bound or tied-down by required work. A clan should benefit you by the virtue of everyone contributing, but I wouldn't want to feel like a slave to vent or a slave to the clan significantly over my own benefit.

Hopefully I'll enjoy and benefit from putting in a comfortable amount of effort, but in the end it's still about the individual player's enjoyment, and if I'm not enjoying myself as much as I could, changes will be made.

[Ander]

Clan

[Theocid]

It isn't just "you" because when an individual gets in a serious fight, usually his friends get involved and it becomes a clan battle.

It isn't your realm because you can be in disagreement even with people in your realm. Realm battles would be less organized because players participating in large scale realm PvP would know each other less.

And it is clans because clans are filled with friends and teams. Your organized, sometimes cocky thinking your clans the best, and if someone starts something everyone will jump in the spirit of fight because of peer pressure and the wish to be more involved and powerful among friends.