New screenshots (yay!)

[Claus]

We still got alot of work till we are 100% happy with the dwarf, but we couldnt wait for your comments http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Uilamin]

good so far but it looks abit off.  It looks like a cartoon almost... (great backgrounds and all but the dwarf models look like cartoon characters sorta)

[Osthman]

Ahh I like what I see, especially me a dwarf lover http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Well anyways it doesn't look bad for pre-alpha shots and I just hope that you are able to customize more stuff on the model in the near future because I don't want all the dwarves running around with the same face ya know! http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[razta]

Looks nice http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Airius Droc]

Claus, I have a number of comments.

1) Those have to be the best "Dwarven" models I've seen in ANY game.

[AnoXia]

as mostly every else said, it looks a bit off, but it's damn nice for pre-alpha shots http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif.

Btw, why are you laughing at Kjetil? http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[_Kane_]

Being very interested in dwarfs myself I just had to comment something.
First, landscape. I would like a bit less grass/trees and more pure rock. maybe some rocks scattered around?

Second, beard. I know this a little bit detailed, but what if you made the beard and mustage go together, instead of being separated as in this pic.

And third, the model. We all know dwarfes like beer, so I think they should be a little bit rounder under the belt. (in norwegian:

[Airius Droc]

Ok, I've got questions about the screen shots:

1) Is the Backback going to work similar to UO?

2) What are your goals for the character models as time goes on?  Will you add shadows? The arms on the dwarves look a little shinny, perhaps because of the sun, but the armor looks like it's really absorbing a lot of light...for example.  Do you hope to have less of a comic-like feel to the characters?

3) Ok, we're looking at a Dwarf with what I can only hope is a Dwarven Axe.  Will Dwarves be able to weild, say a Mahirim Polearm, or would that be too award for them to carry around?  I guess what I'm asking is, will each weapon be a one size fits all type of style?

4) Can players light up that camp fire?  If so, does it over any benefit...like will it actually cook food for the Dwarves?

5) It looks like one of the Dwarves has no helmet and is bald way in the back.  Is that the case, or am I looking at something else entirely?

6) There's a big huge tree to the left of one of the Dwarves.  Could dwarves climb that tree?  If they tried to climb it, would they have to put their weapons down first?

http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif  Once again, those screen shots look great to me.  I'm going to have my friends that are long time dwarven players stop by and make some comments later tonight.

[Filgolfin]

look behind that big tree to the left.

[Kog Warmonger]

looks darn good from here now how about posting a ork? hehe

[Goldarv]

looks nice keep it up guys http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif yes I crawled out of my posting hole

[WaR Emblem]

For pre-alpha on a geforce  1 those are some l33t ss'. The backpack also looks VERY cool. keep up the good work.



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[Castle]

Well I have been very very interrested in this game and I cant wait for it to come out.  I am a GM for a UO sphere and was lookin into this game to be my swapping point.  I love the pictures you have of the world and cant wait to step foot into your world, but when todays pictures came out of the Dwarf I needed to make my first post here.  
To me it doesnt look like it fits... almost 2D flat cartoon like. it may be the picture or its not close enough to see the detail but I was hoping it was... well I dont know but it just looks too cartoonish not what I was hoping for. http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
I wsaz ready for you guys to step out with something that totally surpasses all 3d games so far.  
again I may be wrong and just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.
Be Well

[olemak]

I like the anatomy of the dwarf a lot... I believe it is the colour scheme that makes it seem a little flat and cartoonish, as some people point out. Actually, I like the dwarf a whole lot. The eyes seem a bit, well, "hand drawn", though, Not much of the face is isible under that helmet and wonderful, bushy beard... but the eyes look like they were painted on, for some reason.

His upper arms also should be a lot more ripped; sinew and muscle showing clearly. Maybe a few scars and a tattoo, even?

All in al, I think it is the lack of detail that makes the dwarf seem a little out of place right now. The world is so wonderfully detailed and believable - but the dwarf is very neat and clean cut. Add a few more details to the armor, some dents and scratches, some ornaments and studs... maybe an amulet... smal stuff like that, and give them some debth... and add realtime shadows to that... then we're pretty much there.

Again: for the anatomy of the dwarf, I'm compeltely convinced. He looks like a tough and angry feller, just right in terms of anatomical proportions.

Hope beards will be highly customizable, though - they seem to be the most prominent facial feature of them dwarves...

[Gunther TheBlack]

*sharpens his axe*

Stunties will have good beard scalpes! WARRRRRRRRGHHHHhhhhh



Btw can you already imagine little old zakath running around with his little legs RUNNING IN FEAR OF A BIG ORK OR MAHIRIM AFFRAID TO DIE........


Omg i love this http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Satan]

Wow, those are some great looking dwarves!!!

can we see the alfar next http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Viranth]

Oh my god! It looks amazing!
But there is a few things I'd like to see you change;

1. All the models in the game should look like they have lived in a rough and tough place for a while, make it a little bit mor dirty and just make it believable that these guys have lived there for a while, and isn't coming from the cleanest and best place in the world.

2. Textures, it's a bit like the 1st point, make it a bit more rough and not so cartoonish. It's like when you have a brand new cd, carry it out in the woods with no protection, it will get scratches and such.. If you get what I mean =)

Except from that these models are REALLY cool, I can't wait to see the Elves! =)
Keep up the good work guys! =)

[Osthman]

Guys you have to calm down if you didn't like the screenies because:

1)This is the pre-Alpha! And I'm know for sure this won't be the released model.
2)This is on a low end system with a GF1!! Imagine what are they gonna do when they make it for a really high end system with a GF3+
3)Oh yeah, did I say this is the pre-alpha!!

[Ryu]

I agree with everyone on the point that the Dwarves look a little cartoonish. But otherwise it's great! I really have been impressed with this game so far! Can't wait to see the Mahirim. http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Smojukl]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (_Kane_ @ July 03 2002,17:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Being very interested in dwarfs myself I just had to comment something.
First, landscape. I would like a bit less grass/trees and more pure rock. maybe some rocks scattered around?[/b][/quote]
I agree with you, more rocks! http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I also think it looks a bit too much like a cartoon char.
But, overall i like the model alot http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Oh btw i hate text like "PersonA hits you for 456 damage.
It's just so...ehm I don't know? "unreal"?

[Vandaria]

I too agree that the dwarf looks a little cartooney, but then again remeber the first screenshots of the background (trees etc) compared to the ones we see now? &nbsp;To me if thats how vast an improvement we can look forward to in only a cpl months...then add up the months and imagine it at then end.

Great work guys and keep it up!!

[WanderingNomad]

The world you guys are creating is INCREDIBLE.

[Kjetil]

I'll answer a couple of the questions here.

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What are your goals for the character models as time goes on?

[WanderingNomad]

In the first dwarven screenshot, it appears that the character is being attacked by Kjetil (lightning bolt, I believe). &nbsp;When attacked, will you automatically know who is attacking you? &nbsp;Could be trouble for assassins.

[Kjetil]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In the first dwarven screenshot, it appears that the character is being attacked by Kjetil (lightning bolt, I believe).

[Bandolaf]

Anybody who has followed/does follow Shadowbane's development will no doubt have heard of the Mithril Alliance.

[WanderingNomad]

Thanks for the speedy response, Kjetil. &nbsp;I take it that means there will be a Disguise Attack skill. &nbsp;Hehe http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Dozier]

will the interface still look the same?, i assume that the system commands that you show are just for debugging right?"you select the heal spell"?

[Gowel]

Looks great for being pre-alpha. In fact, I like it much better than the alpha character models in both Everquest and Dark Age of Camelot. They were truely pathetic.

[Castle]

I agree text isnt real and doesnt flow all these red sentences flying by you were hit for for 15 points. &nbsp;Dont do text just do the health bars and the bigger the hit the more blood or impact it could have to a char. &nbsp;Like he could get tipped back a few degrees or something, just something to tell you you were hit and to look at your health bar.

[olemak]

I'm sure the console is pretty preliminary, but it would be nice to know who is attcking you. That sort of thing can be confusing, sometimes.

Anyway, let's keep this tread on the dwarves and the backpack, not the pre-alpha interface, ok?

The Dwarves look sooo coool. A whole bunch of ripped little bearded runts running around in the forrest, hurling lightning at each other... hehehe, I wanna play darkfall NOW!

The beard is beautiful, by the way!

Hm, is a beard something you "equip" in you inventory, like a helmet, or is it actually a part of your body, like an arm?

[Gunther TheBlack]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Castle @ July 04 2002,07:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dont do text just do the health bars and the bigger[/b][/quote]
Well make an option to put it of. Don't delete it tho http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Some people like that.


Btw near a dwarve capital i would suspect a more moonlike landscape hehe. But then again the gnomes need to farm their. I don't expect woods cause dwarves need wood to build things and near a capital it's near impossible a tree would have survived http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

The landscape near a dwarve capital should look like the landscape Around for example Saas Fee in Swiss. Mountains and some green places. But thats not that important.

[Viranth]

Also have to add that I really like the GUI, looks really good and easy to use, not much unecessary information and stuff like that.. =)
You guys rock! =)

[Thorgat]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (olemak @ July 03 2002,20:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I like the anatomy of the dwarf a lot... I believe it is the colour scheme that makes it seem a little flat and cartoonish, as some people point out. Actually, I like the dwarf a whole lot.

All in al, I think it is the lack of detail that makes the dwarf seem a little out of place right now.

...

Hope beards will be highly customizable, though - they seem to be the most prominent facial feature of them dwarves...[/b][/quote]
*nodds*
I think so too, it looks really great as an early pre-alpha - and some more details and less of the same shininess at all parts (non-shiny body-parts for example) an it will look realistic, I suppose.
But - he, I like it!
http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[RedFernE]

hey najs sceens :o)

im down on my knees and beggin for more http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

pappa here is from DENMARK :o) it rockz hehe

najs to see norway people can make a good looking game and hope it to be great to game :o)

[Claus]

I wrote a new Team Comment, commenting your comments http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Dwarf Model Comments (/features/comments/letter4/index.shtml)

Dont say we dont care! http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Smojukl]

Thanks for replying to my comment Claus.
I think I can live with the idea that you can turn off the "personA hits you for 345dmg" http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I still think that in order to create a "real" fantasy world you have to totally get it out of the game.
I played a mmorpg that never showed any numbers when you got hit, and I liked it.
I never said "omfg wtf it killed me" http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Theres no need to, I mean, if i'm a dwarf I don't care about the numbers. The elf just has to die.
Anyway, that's just a one mans opinion



Last edited by Smojukl at July 04 2002,14:42

[olemak]

Hehe, in order to create a completely believable fantasy world I guess you'd have to get rid of the monitor, the keyboard and that annoying sound from the graphick card cooling fan as well, right?

Just kidding.

FPS's never have damage reports like that, only "j00 got owned by...", which works very well. On the other hand, I really missed the damage report in Morrowind, to the extent that I had to install a plugin to take care of that.

One problem is that lots of action will make the text croll by so fast you won't know whats happening at all, and definately not have time to read hat your buddies are telling you, you know, orders and requests in the midst of battle.

Also, if you also get the damagreport on nearby characters, it really gets cluttered.

Maybe having the damage peprots in a separate window that only opens up when there is action going on? This may be a horrible idea, but it might be better than putting damage reports in the chat window.

[Blade]

First off i want to say, that for Alfa screenies, they look GREAT!!

Second off: The dwarves, taking away the comments from the others that they look too cartoonish and so on, look AMAZING!! Its the first time i get the right feel for a Dwarf! The stubbiness and thickness, give them exactlly the right feel!
Now those models with more rendering and different skins and so on, will be simply awesome!!!

Good job guys! &nbsp;http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Goldarv]

with the idea of weapon size not changing you could get a dwarf and get human kite shield or tower shield and hide behind it and all they would see is a shield http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif &nbsp;http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif &nbsp;http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif &nbsp;http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/shocked.gif

[Thorgat]

Just a comment to the Dev-comment: Is there no way to make a tatoo at the face or change the color of the eyes? I would like this veeerrrrryyy much. &nbsp;http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Would be a nice additional feature of customizing your outfit.

[WanderingNomad]

This is just a small thing, but I was curious about it after reading the devs dwarf model comments. &nbsp;It says we will be able to dye clothing and armor - will there be restrictions on the colors, or is everything on the palette fair game. &nbsp;

It would seem a little out of place to see an oh-so-tough dwarf running around in a hot pink breast plate and lime green gauntlets. &nbsp;

I'm sure the devs have already thought about this, just wondering if anyone knew what the decision is.

[olemak]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WanderingNomad @ July 03 2002,21:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It would seem a little out of place to see an oh-so-tough dwarf running around in a hot pink breast plate and lime green gauntlets.

[WanderingNomad]

Some colors may just seem unnatural to the world. &nbsp;To balance this all armor/clothing could start out as the natural color of the material they were made of (leather pants = brown, steel helmet = silver). &nbsp;You would have to find natural dyes to change the colors (e.g. seaweed pulp = dark greenish hue, Death Pig blood = reddish hue).

It's just a small thing in the overall development of the game, but could be a cool little detail.

[Gunther TheBlack]

Dwarve shouldn't be able to wear pink. Same with ork warriors. Altho human female should be able to wear pink. But thats maybe getting a bit complicated hehe

[_Kane_]

Why shouldn't orks be able to dress up in pink? What if the player want to roleplay a gay ork? That could be fun &nbsp;http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Kjetil]

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2)

[Airius Droc]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Claus @ July 04 2002,08:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dont say we dont care! http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/b][/quote]
Hey, thanks for the reply...one question, will the Dwarves have their own TEXTURES? &nbsp;http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Keely]

First, I love the screenshots, they look great!

As for the complaints, well I think the important thing to remember is that everyone's idea of what a dwarf should or should not look like is not the same. &nbsp;Heck, for that matter, not all dwarfes are required to live on rocky terrain.

[Gowel]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Goldarv @ July 04 2002,11:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">with the idea of weapon size not changing you could get a dwarf and get human kite shield or tower shield and hide behind it and all they would see is a shield http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Bearded Elf]

I wasn't expecting the models to look this good so soon, as other have said there needs to be work added. With the dressing system it would be cool to see a animation when your char dresses/undresses themselves, instead of the clothes just apearing on the char, looks like its shaping up nicely though.

[Smojukl]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gowel @ July 05 2002,12:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
I'd also like to say to Claus, I'm very impressed that you actually took the time to write up something instead of just making a post of two on the boards. I've been through alot of pre-release months with many other MMORPGs throughout the past 5 years and I'd have to say, you honestly have put me in awe at the lengths that you went with just this one issue. Taking the time to write that up and provide us with that much detail about it gives me and probably all of us, complete confidence that when you(RW) say things like "we care" "we want feedback" "we want players included in decisions", we believe it. Other developers have said those exact same things, but never backed it with as much effort.[/b]
Yes I totally agree with you http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I have followed a few online games in their pre-stage, and the time and work the devs of Darkfall put in feedback of the community is great.
Let's all give them a big hug http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Kog Warmonger]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Claus @ July 03 2002,15:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We still got alot of work till we are 100% happy with the dwarf, but we couldnt wait for your comments http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/b][/quote]
*hits claus in the head with his maul* orkz paintings *roar!*

[_Kane_]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kog Warmonger @ July 05 2002,18:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">*hits claus in the head with his maul* orkz paintings *roar!*[/b][/quote]
*jump in front of the devs with his giant axe and shield to protect them from the evil orks*

[Morgar]

I looked at the initial screenshots of the dwarves and was impressed in general since it is very early. &nbsp;I did not pay attention to their "cartoonish" appearance because I know that will be adjusted.

The one thing I did notice that seems very obtrusive is that dark, transparent window. &nbsp;I am sure that will be looked into and corrected.

Nice so far.

[Alistair]

First off, i have to say, i was TOTALLY IMPRESSED by the screenshots!!!!!! &nbsp;That's one of the first things got me REALLY excited about this game! &nbsp;I agree with the other people who have already said that is the best dwarven character design that i have ever seen! &nbsp;Pretty much all the other dwarven character designs i have seen in games or illustrations looked just like short fat midgets with a layer of muscle on top of their FAT arms and legs. &nbsp;DF dwarves look like an actual race of their own, not a bunch of fat midgets (and i mean no offense by that, but fat midgets should be in the HUMAN category!http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif.

As far as the colors go, let people die their characters the way they want! &nbsp;I don't understand why some people always want to force everyone else to play the game in the exact same way that they want to :/ &nbsp;That ends up being a very BORING online game if you don't allow the players to develop their own natural diversity. &nbsp;The player will develop their own identity, you CANNOT stop that no matter what you do, so it is better to run with it and encourage it than it is to try to inhibit it! &nbsp;It is the unique player identities that make these games worth playing. &nbsp;
-Alistair

[WanderingNomad]

I agree that individuality plays a large part in any online game, Alistair, and that people should be able to dye their equipment any color that can be found in the DarkFall world. &nbsp;If the world contains natural elements (flowers, animal parts, ground stones, etc...) that allow pink, green, blue dyes, I'm all for it. &nbsp;It detracts from the immersiveness of the game if the colored equipment appears out of nowhere, with no natural source in the world.

[Soliloquy]

Perfect dwarven shots there.

I greatly look forward to seeing customized variations and other playable models.

Keep up the good work.

[Griever]

nice one
very nice idd