What guild will go from having the biggest presence on the forums pre-beta

[Exultus]

to being a total non factor in game?

I think there is only one real answer to this question but I'm curious to what other people think. =)

[LanMandragon]

Who has a large forum presence?

[Exultus]

Who has a large forum presence?

Guilds with lots of active posters here and who post often.

[Taroth]

Qft

[Exultus]

Qft

Interesting choice. But they are very much a factor in a game right now and I don't see many QFT tags under peoples names. While there are guilds who I've never heard of before with a MUUUUCH bigger forum presence IMO.

[LanMandragon]

Interesting choice. But they are very much a factor in a game right now and I don't see many QFT tags under peoples names. While there are guilds who I've never heard of before with a MUUUUCH bigger forum presence IMO.

I see BKB as having a lot of forum guys, maybe Surly's guys.

I dunno, my guys and I aren't known at all in the MMO world and have been playing with The Crystal Order in SB so I can't really say much about it.

I want to hear your thoughts lol.

[tvrdi]

Bkb ^_^

[Atnas]

I think he means us.

[Vattic]

I think he means us.

yeah i'd say so. you should rune his ass.

[Surly]

to being a total non factor in game?

I think there is only one real answer to this question but I'm curious to what other people think. =)Well who has large forum presence right now? Mine and BKB are probably on the top. My guild just has a lot more tight nit people who have turned "hanging out on the internet" into a sport, and we're about a a third the size of BKB with 48 active members as of this post.

I think BKB claims something like 300 people? Or something. Anyway they were a pretty respectable guild in WWII Online if I recall.

So after us, who else is there?

Shivering, Wessex, Image... and uh... Underworld Assailants has like 3 really active posters right? And Jangang is in some fucking guild or another, so he's a board presence in and of his self. Oh and of course Eleador/Shivering who basically make up the whole moderation staff.

If you want to relate forum posting prowess and ingame effectiveness, the ratio change during that translation will probably be highest for my guild since we basically own this forum right now. And ingame we don't plan on growing over 100, ever, and currently are trying to stay around 50 active members. We're a dwarfy dwarven-pride guild, not a server dominator.

I see BKB as having a lot of forum guys, maybe Surly's guys.

I dunno, my guys and I aren't known at all in the MMO world and have been playing with The Crystal Order in SB so I can't really say much about it.

I want to hear your thoughts lol.lol, he changed his sig on me so I was confused as to who was posting. But his thoughts are "Society of the Anvil" because he hates Libertarians. I can read his fucking mind like a... like a.... copy of the communist manifesto.

Well nevermind, I can't read that well. I mean the funny papers. Yarrrr!!!

yeah i'd say so. you should rune his ass.I agree! Only why stop there?

Lan, go to my forums right now, I demand it! http://forums.anvilsociety.com and sign up, we have some things to discuss that can only be done on my forum! I'll explain once you're there!

[Macc]

to being a total non factor in game?

Well technically speaking I would say that a guild wich was formed right before DF and has no other experiance in online gaming. Those guilds would definately not make a splash, but I remember that a while back when these forums were still active almost every single guild used to shoot their mouth off and talk about how great they were going to be.

One guild in particular Shimmergloom happened to piss off allot of people, they pissed off one guild in particular a guild called Lords of Death; a hudge thread was started and pretty much everyone was hurling insults on one another. This was back when we were still able to use the diplomatic forum on these boards (The Forum was erased; Devs said it caused too much drama so they scrapped it).

ANywho I drifted off the topic a bit, the reason I mentioned all the above cause it poped into my head..... this was a while back maybe a year or longer.

My point is basically this, people can talk all they want; it just happeneds that the noobs who have no experiance and organization what so ever happened to be the largest forum trash talkers. And it's pretty sad cause when you start a guild prior to release and never happened to paly any other games with the same people before you're gona be in some trouble once the game comes out and you find out that you and your guild are weak compared to the other older guilds that had experiance gameing with one another.

[Reigngod]

You can't really relate forum presence to in game presence. I post occasionally but am around quite a bit. Same with most of Doomfire who have all quieted down here over the years.

Once the game releases, however, We'll play our game to the fullest and our presence will be known. The extent of our presence will be determined by the clans around us and the political climate of the world, but, we will be a solid presence.

[Atnas]

Why are you afraid of saying our name in youe posts, Exultus? <3

[Thiruen]

Heh I can't honestly answer, I don't mean to insult any and there aren't any specifics in my mind, but I think that many of the Guilds/Clans on the Forums will disband when game is released. And please don't flame, but of all those disbanding I think any crime-related guilds are most likely to when many of their members find out how difficult it actually is to lead life of crime in faction based game.

[LanMandragon]

Well who has large forum presence right now? Mine and BKB are probably on the top. My guild just has a lot more tight nit people who have turned "hanging out on the internet" into a sport, and we're about a a third the size of BKB with 48 active members as of this post.

I think BKB claims something like 300 people? Or something. Anyway they were a pretty respectable guild in WWII Online if I recall.

So after us, who else is there?

Shivering, Wessex, Image... and uh... Underworld Assailants has like 3 really active posters right? And Jangang is in some fucking guild or another, so he's a board presence in and of his self. Oh and of course Eleador/Shivering who basically make up the whole moderation staff.

If you want to relate forum posting prowess and ingame effectiveness, the ratio change during that translation will probably be highest for my guild since we basically own this forum right now. And ingame we don't plan on growing over 100, ever, and currently are trying to stay around 50 active members. We're a dwarfy dwarven-pride guild, not a server dominator.

lol, he changed his sig on me so I was confused as to who was posting. But his thoughts are "Society of the Anvil" because he hates Libertarians. I can read his fucking mind like a... like a.... copy of the communist manifesto.

Well nevermind, I can't read that well. I mean the funny papers. Yarrrr!!!

I agree! Only why stop there?

Lan, go to my forums right now, I demand it! http://forums.anvilsociety.com and sign up, we have some things to discuss that can only be done on my forum! I'll explain once you're there!

Fine.

[Brilliant]

I had a whole post typed out, but then Firefox ate it.

[Septus]

Hmm... I guess any guild that only knows their members through a forum. Why?

- They haven't played any games together, so they don't even know if their playstyles mesh at all. They're just assuming it will in this game because they all have a similar image in their mind of what the game will be I suppose.

- They only know each other through forums, so they don't even know each others' playtimes, when they can group, if they'll be able to group, etc.

- It's easy to make a guild on a forum. Translating that into a game, or any form of actual activity is a lot harder.

Not insulting what anyone is trying to do... I'm just saying, once your guild joins Darkfall, you may find your membership dwindling when you don't have the manpower you thought you had (read: some people just don't show up on release, others leave when they realize you just don't have your shit together, etc), and let me tell you, that's a slippery slope my friend.

[Exultus]

Why are you afraid of saying our name in youe posts, Exultus? <3

I didn't want to destroy the thread until I got some responses. Ya'll zerg this board worse than the Chinese zerg shadowbane. But yes I think the answer is clearly you.

[Exultus]

But his thoughts are "Society of the Anvil" because he hates Libertarians.

I don't hate Libertarians and anarchists. I just look at them as idealistic ideological extremists. I don't hate communists either just the same idealistic ideological extremists on the other side of the coin. I didn't know your guild was limited to Libetarians though. I think I can hate a guild that limits its members to members of an extreme political party or ideology. =)

[LanMandragon]

Hmm... I guess any guild that only knows their members through a forum. Why?

- They haven't played any games together, so they don't even know if their playstyles mesh at all. They're just assuming it will in this game because they all have a similar image in their mind of what the game will be I suppose.

- They only know each other through forums, so they don't even know each others' playtimes, when they can group, if they'll be able to group, etc.

- It's easy to make a guild on a forum. Translating that into a game, or any form of actual activity is a lot harder.

Not insulting what anyone is trying to do... I'm just saying, once your guild joins Darkfall, you may find your membership dwindling when you don't have the manpower you thought you had (read: some people just don't show up on release, others leave when they realize you just don't have your shit together, etc), and let me tell you, that's a slippery slope my friend.

I dont think any of the guilds mentioned so far are Board Guilds. I think the only one who has really done that is BKB and I know they have a solid core.

[Xinnro]

I think he means us.

I think he means us actually.

[Iggy Munster]

I think he means us actually.

its okay Xin, I still remember our clan, although not many others do.

[Atnas]

I don't hate Libertarians and anarchists. I just look at them as idealistic ideological extremists. I don't hate communists either just the same idealistic ideological extremists on the other side of the coin. I didn't know your guild was limited to Libetarians though. I think I can hate a guild that limits its members to members of an extreme political party or ideology. =)

I think... I think I can hate a dumbass =D

You wouldn't know what sarcasm was even if it walked up to you and said "Hello I am sarcasm" LOL =D ;)

[Surly]

I don't hate Libertarians and anarchists. I just look at them as idealistic ideological extremists. I don't hate communists either just the same idealistic ideological extremists on the other side of the coin. I didn't know your guild was limited to Libetarians though. I think I can hate a guild that limits its members to members of an extreme political party or ideology. =)The reason we only recruit libertarians is because it is the largest social group on this forum.

[Brilliant]

<--------------------- Token Liberal Dwarf

[Harmar]

I think who ever started this thread is right. Fuck the anvil society man, those guys are squares.

[Insomniak]

look at it this way...firefox gets chronic heartburn

[Suitepee]

I await a game to be released to judge such things.

But if I had to say one now,I'd back it to be QFT.

For one thing,Unknewn himself has said most of QFT don't believe in Darkfall making it; I'd imagine come beta/release that QFT will not initially be at full capacity due to Shadowbane clingers,and I doubt that QFT will be recruiting new Darkfall-active players (at first anyway). So I could imagine QFT to be 'short-staffed' and struggling to make as big an impact as their reputation would suggest,at least initially.

Aside from that,I don't take their endeavours on Shadowbane to be of any 'real' PvP credit,seeing as it involved them using a lot of alt-botting. (and also,the game pretty much sucked) Although Unknewn claims that QFT contain several FPS pros,it waits to be seen as to whether this would transfer well to Darkfall's RPG environment or not.
(For that matter,most of us will be jumping into a new dimension of MMORPG combat.)

Still,I'm not really dissing QFT as I don't doubt they have good leadership skills among the group,but I wouldn't be surprised if QFT made a slow start to Darkfall. Not that's a bad thing of course; they could later on become one of the major powers.
Who knows....

[Rhynn]

Meh, it'll be interesting to see, regardless. I've always hated the thought of having some obscene number of members. I'd take quality over quantity any day. If that meant I never conquered the server, so be it. It's no fun at the top, I always prefer having room to grow.

[Vanno]

blah blah blah Jangang, blah blah blah

Man, my guild needs to recruit that guy. We were thinking of leaving roses on the corpses of our victims, as a sort of calling card, but damned if leaving emo poetry isn't even more hardcore.

[alfaroverall]

Man, my guild needs to recruit that guy. We were thinking of leaving roses on the corpses of our victims, as a sort of calling card, but damned if leaving emo poetry isn't even more hardcore.
Man, we do. I never thought about that. They come back to get their stuff, assuming we didn't take it, and BAM! emo gayness smacks them in the face.

[Vanno]

Totally. It is insult to injury, so to speak.

[Iggy Munster]

pfff, you guys are alfar, what will you be killing?

[Harmar]

I thought you had to be emo to play alfar...

[Aranin]

didnt u hear? alfar sit in their dark caves all day and never come out to socialize or kill anything...

[Harmar]

mmm, I like you plenty Aranin

[Cahl]

Shimmergloom! Oh wait ..

[Unknewn]

:cool:

[Atnas]

Cool

[Surly]

:cool:

[Necrash]

Most of em will be none factors cause they just joined together for Brannoc to place em in beta!

And really he does not check clans background to make em clans at all.
Most of this fools have even broken up already and or just waiting for game to come out and make their own clans!

I my self am forced to join under another clans name to get inside of beta.
and Share my beta account with my IC so that they can get a view of the game. Cause we have played together for over 10yrs and some how that is not enuff to get aproved. The fact is they dont look or corss ref for shit. So most clans right now active will more than likely go to hell cause they are beta passes not real clans!

[Necrash]

"I have seen with my own eye's a R4 QFT huntress. Roll a Grp of 4 R7 and they did not even hurt the huntress.
Then I have alos seen 2 QFT R7 kill about 30 ppl in a city"-Zippo
"50 QFT Compared to 300 Spartans..."-Aftermath
:cool:

Nice i might look into that clan cause it sounds alot like mine... back in the day. When we defende mines with 3vs 3 1/2 groups so mabe qtf would be mutually benefitial.... DH for the win

[Atnas]

Most of em will be none factors cause they just joined together for Brannoc to place em in beta!

And really he does not check clans background to make em clans at all.
Most of this fools have even broken up already and or just waiting for game to come out and make their own clans!

I my self am forced to join under another clans name to get inside of beta.
and Share my beta account with my IC so that they can get a view of the game. Cause we have played together for over 10yrs and some how that is not enuff to get aproved. The fact is they dont look or corss ref for shit. So most clans right now active will more than likely go to hell cause they are beta passes not real clans!

I think you just missed your beta-spot, haha.

[MaxTheDwarf]

I think you just missed your beta-spot, haha.

Damnit Kharzim, I was looking for something to say this whole post, and I had just found the right one when you come along and beat me to it. You damn troll.

[Taroth]

Damnit Kharzim, I was looking for something to say this whole post, and I had just found the right one when you come along and beat me to it. You damn troll.

Lol @ U!

[Vanno]

pfff, you guys are alfar, what will you be killing?

Pretty much everything. What with that whole "no alignment penalty" thing, I'd think Alfar would be the kill everything that moves race.

[Atnas]

Pretty much everything. What with that whole "no alignment penalty" thing, I'd think Alfar would be the kill everything that moves race.

Alfar can still get penalty, what are you talking about?

[MaxTheDwarf]

Alfar can still get penalty, what are you talking about?

They only get a penalty against killing their own race.

[Vanno]

They only get a penalty against killing their own race.

Indeed. I guess I should have been more specific. Alfar will kill everythign not Alfar, with no penalty.

[Helgeran]

Indeed. I guess I should have been more specific. Alfar will kill everythign not Alfar, with no penalty.

Which means you won't be fighting any more than any other race since each race neighbor two racial enemies. Actually Alfar might have less PvP since you have such a community feeling, all alove, like the freaky kids in school who hang out together just because nobody else wanted to, while all the other races happily gut their own kind for all and no reason.

[Vanno]

Which means you won't be fighting any more than any other race since each race neighbor two racial enemies. Actually Alfar might have less PvP since you have such a community feeling, all alove, like the freaky kids in school who hang out together just because nobody else wanted to, while all the other races happily gut their own kind for all and no reason.

No. I'm pretty sure Alfar are the freaky kids that don't hang out together (or with anyone), and quietly plot the destruction of everyone and everything. As for the map set up, Alfar share way more of their border (as a ratio) with enemies than any other race. Plus, all the other sub-continents will probably be a place of dispute. Plus, they are just ugly, and will probably be under constant attack based on that alone.

[Taroth]

I dont think people who are looking to make allies will play Alfar.

Seems like a completely PKer race.

[Protonix]

i'd say KGB but they don't have much of a forum presence here, so i guess ill have to go with qft

[Taroth]

i'd say KGB but they don't have much of a forum presence here, so i guess ill have to go with qft

Yeah no matter what QFT does, they will still be a disappointment compared to their forum presence.

[Teth]

I dont think people who are looking to make allies will play Alfar.

Seems like a completely PKer race.
Only if you're a total slackwit. You go alfar to maximize your number of legitimate targets while still working within the system. If you're going to say "fuck the system!" anyways, then why not go human for pure volume of opportunity or mahirim for natural mobility? Much smarter choices, in my opinion.

Too much unlove for the alfar for them to be at each other's throats constantly - I figure that after the initial land grabs & usurpations settle down, the house of the alfar will be a fairly orderly one.

All that aside, House Shivering will not be the unhappy entity queried at in the thread topic. At least, I'm hoping we won't be. Aheh.

[Metal Wolf]

What the fuck someone held a bash The Anvil thread and I wasn't sent an invitation?

You guys suck! You'll never see me hanging about with such a bunch of unskilled lowlifes.

[Rotten_Pieces]

well considering DF is unlike any game...you can't say who will or will not make a "splash".

but i also have a feeling the Op is talking about us.

[MaxTheDwarf]

well considering DF is unlike any game...you can't say who will or will not make a "splash".

but i also have a feeling the Op is talking about us.

What three guys? That's a huge forum presence. Oh and I believe you're going to flop anyways.

[Atnas]

well considering DF is unlike any game...you can't say who will or will not make a "splash".

but i also have a feeling the Op is talking about us.

lol, he has already confessed and it was about us.

[Azash_AT]

Only if you're a total slackwit. You go alfar to maximize your number of legitimate targets while still working within the system. If you're going to say "fuck the system!" anyways, then why not go human for pure volume of opportunity or mahirim for natural mobility? Much smarter choices, in my opinion.

Too much unlove for the alfar for them to be at each other's throats constantly - I figure that after the initial land grabs & usurpations settle down, the house of the alfar will be a fairly orderly one.

All that aside, House Shivering will not be the unhappy entity queried at in the thread topic. At least, I'm hoping we won't be. Aheh.

True but the peole that go Alfar will are wanting a target rich environment cause they want to fight and fight alot and they want to kill and kill alot. So you get alot of people with a great desire to fight and kill as much as possible and stick them all in close prosimity to each other. I think there will be some in fighting within the Alfar. Now in sheer volume human infighting will beat it out but a huge part of that is just the fact that there will be ass loads more humans at the beginning. I suspect people will choose human first mess around a bit and a good percentage will reroll as one of the other races.

Now the question will be will the Alfar have a higher rate of infighting in comparison to humans or mahirim preportionatly (aka per capita). I just listed those 2 cause along with Alfar they always have the highest numbers on the race poll. Th other two could factor in just as easily. I think there is a good chance Alfar could have the highest rate of per capita infighting especially in the beginning.

[Merrin]

I think there is a good chance Alfar could have the highest rate of per capita infighting especially in the beginning.

Add to your points the fact alfar are congregated underground and limited to forays into the open, unlike the other races of Agon. People who reportedly desire their freedom are in fact being held in a pseudo-prison. The result will undoubtedly be inner turmoil and carnage.

[Rotten_Pieces]

What three guys? That's a huge forum presence. Oh and I believe you're going to flop anyways.

we have many more than that, and i don't give two fucks about what you believe.

[Jangang]

It should be interesting at any rate. :)

[Taroth]

we have many more than that, and i don't give two fucks about what you believe.

/popcorn

[rKos]

Anvil Society has most posts I bet but they're like 5 people so there's your answer.

[Atnas]

Anvil Society has most posts I bet but they're like 5 people so there's your answer.

No, but there's not too many of us anyway. Most of our members are doing other things, like not waiting for Darkfall online.

Edit: We aren't hardcore/insomniacs enough to became a factor ingame, lol

[MaxTheDwarf]

No, but there's not too many of us anyway. Most of our members are doing other things, like not waiting for Darkfall online.

Edit: We aren't hardcore/insomniacs enough to became a factor ingame, lol

Yeah, half of the people just want to craft and the other half want to fight. It will be interesting to see where our guild fits in.

[Echo Del' Torre]

We aren't hardcore/insomniacs enough to became a factor ingame, lol

I'm a hardcore/insomniac....

Voting on what clan will bust though, that's messed up lol. When I used to play MMO's I never was a board person, but lately since there is none to play I have nothing else but these Forums. But I've figured it best to wait till in-game before commiting to a clan, I'm not that desperate for a beta spot either.

[Surly]

I'm a hardcore/insomniac....

Voting on what clan will bust though, that's messed up lol. When I used to play MMO's I never was a board person, but lately since there is none to play I have nothing else but these Forums. But I've figured it best to wait till in-game before commiting to a clan, I'm not that desperate for a beta spot either.Well since you're such a big fan of winning ForumFall, join the Anvil Society forumzerg! Apply today! www.anvilsociety.com/index.php?redraw=apply.php (http://www.anvilsociety.com/index.php?redraw=apply.php)

Mwaha, haha, hah.

[Teth]

Edit: We aren't hardcore/insomniacs enough to became a factor ingame, lol
Timezones, yo.

[LanMandragon]

Well since you're such a big fan of winning ForumFall, join the Anvil Society forumzerg! Apply today! www.anvilsociety.com/index.php?redraw=apply.php (http://www.anvilsociety.com/index.php?redraw=apply.php)

Mwaha, haha, hah.

Cheater.

[Septus]

Yeah, half of the people just want to craft and the other half want to fight. It will be interesting to see where our guild fits in.

Probably want to get a city near a capital city, get a lot of trade going, and let your warriors ally with a clan on a racial border and fight it out while you deck 'em out ;)

[Surly]

Cheater.My people prefer the term "opportunist."

[LanMandragon]

My people prefer the term "opportunist."

I like that attitude.

[MaxTheDwarf]

Probably want to get a city near a capital city, get a lot of trade going, and let your warriors ally with a clan on a racial border and fight it out while you deck 'em out ;)

Or we could just have our own plan already in the mind of surly. So keep to yer self elfy!!

Maybe we want to get a city in alfar land and help them out.

[Septus]

I'm not an elf. And I was careful not to use any race in particular b/c I have no clue what race your clan is composed of :P

[Jaudil]

Duchy of Wessex
Nuff said

[LanMandragon]

Duchy of Wessex
Nuff said

you just said that your own guild is going to be a complete non factor.

Impressive.

[Azash_AT]

you just said that your own guild is going to be a complete non factor.

Impressive.

I believe they call those jokes.

[Jaudil]

I believe they call those jokes.
I believe he isn't aware of those, my friend.

[Jaudil]

Duchy of Wessex will do the exact opposite, we will go up and stay up.
Nuff said
Fixed.
Didn't read the first post.
Forgive me for being to lazy to read mkay
Sorry for the Double post btw.

[Gravesend]

you just said that your own guild is going to be a complete non factor.

Impressive.

I lol'd irl.

[Syloc]

lol i dont think it was a joke but him just misreading the post title. Go ahead. You can admit it!

[Atnas]

Timezones, yo.

It's funny that you should mention that since the anvil had mostly US members a year ago, but for some "unknown" reason more and more swedish people have applied/joined, so I guess we'll always have a nightguard!

[Protonix]

you just said that your own guild is going to be a complete non factor.

Impressive.

I think that I already saw to that.

[Xinnro]

What three guys? That's a huge forum presence. Oh and I believe you're going to flop anyways.

3 Guys....? What the hell are you smoking?

[Atnas]

3 Guys....? What the hell are you smoking?

The weed of TRUTH.

Or I don't know.

[Tekerton]

Shimmergloom! Oh wait ..


/entersnarkyyethumorousrandomcomebackofyo urchoicehere

[tadashi]

My bet is that nearly every guild that has caused a stir on these forums will be complete non-factors a month after this game launches. The best players in every other game I've played understand that MMO forums are a complete waste of a person's life.

I die a little bit more with every word I type in this post.

[Barbot]

Any clan currently playing World of Warcraft.

[LanMandragon]

I think that I already saw to that.

True.

[Taroth]

Any clan currently playing World of Warcraft.

:(

[Uzik]

I didn't think people actually posted on these forums anymore.

[Helgeran]

This post is an advertisment.

[Teth]

My bet is that nearly every guild that has caused a stir on these forums will be complete non-factors a month after this game launches. The best players in every other game I've played understand that MMO forums are a complete waste of a person's life.

I die a little bit more with every word I type in this post.
That may be (read: often is) true for individual players, but sadly, the most politically important institutions - in other words the big movers & shakers - are usually pretty well-established on the relevant forums. Both SB and EVE show us that fairly clearly.

Vox populi can be a useful little thing to have on your side, so some intelligent posturing in the public domain can help things go smoothly for you.

[alfaroverall]

This post is an advertisment.
...Must...kill...Lincoln...

[tadashi]

Any clan currently playing World of Warcraft.

As much as we all hate WoW, there are some massive guilds I know of that were pretty dominant in PvP in games like UO or Shadowbane that are still playing WoW because they can't find anything else right now.

As much as we all hate WoW, they are continuing to develop their teamwork, communication, and leadership while I'm sitting here typing on an MMO forum...

[Teth]

As much as we all hate WoW, there are some massive guilds I know of that were pretty dominant in PvP in games like UO or Shadowbane that are still playing WoW because they can't find anything else right now.

As much as we all hate WoW, they are continuing to develop their teamwork, communication, and leadership while I'm sitting here typing on an MMO forum...
...And possibly fatally compromising the mindframe, ethos, and esprit de corps that made them so devastating in those previous games. It's something of a fine line; you can get rusty by playing nothing, but you can become utterly tainted & ruined if you immerse yourself too deeply in that "epic PvE raid guild" mentality. If nothing else you'll probably pick up a fair chunk of new "core" members who will probably be hard-pressed psychologically to make the jump to a more...dangerous...environment.

Just being active in a game is not by itself unconditionally good; the game itself matters as well. In some ways I'd rather deal with people who are out of practice but have the right outlook than a group that is polished but completely warped & twisted in their thinking re: objectives, game mechanics, and the like; you at least know the rusty ones will (mostly) return to their former lustre once they have a chance to stretch their legs again and repolish their war-spirit properly. The thing really arguing against them is that time it takes to get back up to speed and redevelop those intimate bonds of mutual frontovokii.

Nonetheless, it's less of an unknown factor than the worldview "culture shock" that often comes from shifting from a PvE to a PvP game, and in my experience it's usually easier to unearth old behaviour left to pasture than to make people unlearn what they already know and pave over that with new doctrines. Degredation is an easy thing, but turning those degenerated PvEr instincts back into the carefully-honed elan of good PvPers is several leagues of difficulty greater. It is easier to fall down than climb up again, after all.

Anyways, this is really one of your case-by-case things that'll depend heavily upon the nature of a guild's members.

[Osirus]

personally not a fan of WoW, but they are taking their arena pvp to new heights with prize awarded competitions(all be it, epic gear based). I've heard the prize money is sponge worthy ... guess it pays to be hooked on crap.

[tadashi]

personally not a fan of WoW, but they are taking their arena pvp to new heights with prize awarded competitions(all be it, epic gear based). I've heard the prize money is sponge worthy ... guess it pays to be hooked on crap.

that's what i was trying to point out. WoW pvp may not be that epic, but there are a lot of groups that are killing time by dominating arena and other battlegrounds and they're also waiting for DFO. I don't know how it will translate, but while everyone else is scratching their ass, those guilds are doing something.

[PrimalSign]

I don't know how it will translate, but while everyone else is scratching their ass, those guilds are doing something.

Yeah... supporting Satan's wallet!

Besides, while they languish playing a no-talent hack of a game like WoW, we're building valuable Forumfall skills and post-count. Clearly, our time is better spent.

[Whoopin]

that's what i was trying to point out. WoW pvp may not be that epic, but there are a lot of groups that are killing time by dominating arena and other battlegrounds and they're also waiting for DFO. I don't know how it will translate, but while everyone else is scratching their ass, those guilds are doing something.

It doesnt matter what game you play as long as the teamplay tactics within your guild are practiced. Even if you were to play an Open PvP game with siege rules (most similar to DF) you would still get disrespected/discredited by disgruntled PvP players that got nothing better to do than post clutter.

I honestly would like to see some true respect given to players that didnt waste their time in other pretty pixel land and actually toughed it out in Open PvP territory no matter how terrible/buggy/old the game is. It will also show who has a thick skin and the will to succeed no matter the environment or competition.

Talented players are not limited by genre or title.

[Atnas]

I think that people playing buggy and terrible games just for the sake of practicing teamwork needs to take a rest.

[Whoopin]

Take a rest? From PvP? You need to think again.

Until a better Open PvP option is available, Ill be content to know Im not wasting time and money on a grind that Im gonna delete, while my guild practices whoopin towns and killing unhappy players.

And "terribleness" is in the eye of the beholder, some chumps exaggerate the problems and are too weak to strive to persevere. Also "bugginess" is a relative term - it could be much worse (Vanguard)... Im sure none of us believe DF will be released bug-free.

[Helgeran]

Take a rest? From PvP? You need to think again.

Until a better Open PvP option is available, Ill be content to know Im not wasting time and money on a grind that Im gonna delete, while my guild practices whoopin towns and killing unhappy players.

And "terribleness" is in the eye of the beholder, some chumps exaggerate the problems and are too weak to strive to persevere. Also "bugginess" is a relative term - it could be much worse (Vanguard)... Im sure none of us believe DF will be released bug-free.
Why search so hard for acceptable PvP when great multiplayer battles are fought in several games of several genres. If you really like auto attack and levels and shit you should play DotA which is basically 1 hour faction PvP going all the way to endgame.

[Whoopin]

Search? I just simply never left while others moved onto something else. If I wasnt already SB famous (http://ubbforums.ubi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=sb_assassin&Number=1555599&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all) I might have ditched that game sooner, but the lure to play as my legendary role is much too strong to ignore for other games that dont deliver.

Only reason I mention that is because the same thing will happen with DF knowing my potential and what the game/community offers. I will have the opportunity for more infamy and more Open PvP player killing while smashing towns. That will fuel my desire to login long after the game starts to lose its luster. Ill possibly be one of the many that stick to DF while others move on to World of Starcraft.

So yeah, you got my reasons - everyone plays for different goals. I payed and played that game when it released and toughed it out till something better is available and now its free and has less bugs. I also play FPSs on the side of my MMOs so fuck off with your bullshit "autoattack/no skill" tunnel vision comments.

[LanMandragon]

that's what i was trying to point out. WoW pvp may not be that epic, but there are a lot of groups that are killing time by dominating arena and other battlegrounds and they're also waiting for DFO. I don't know how it will translate, but while everyone else is scratching their ass, those guilds are doing something.

Rofl.

And unless they are from previous hardcore games this is how most WOW guilds will be in Darkfall.

"Dude I got a leet weapon" WoW player
"Ganked" UO, SB, AC player
"looted" game
"/quit" WOW player

9/10 of the people in WOW will not be able to deal with DF.

[Taroth]

Rofl.

And unless they are from previous hardcore games this is how most WOW guilds will be in Darkfall.

"Dude I got a leet weapon" WoW player
"Ganked" UO, SB, AC player
"looted" game
"/quit" WOW player

9/10 of the people in WOW will not be able to deal with DF.

You know that some of the WoW players played much better games before WoW, yet due to whatever reason, the games started to suck. So we moved on to WoW.

[Surly]

I think people drastically underestimate WoW guilds, to be honest.

[Evelath]

I think people drastically underestimate WoW guilds, to be honest.

QFT; people judge others base on a video game that play? Pathetic. There are people who spend countless hours on WoW; not raiding; but grinding. Rep, PvP, you name it. And what will that bring them here? Hours and hours of being capable of handling doing repetitive things to become better.

[Teth]

I think people drastically underestimate WoW guilds, to be honest.
Hey, if they can find some way to translate DKP over to a PvP enticement system, they might have something going for them.

[tadashi]

I think people drastically underestimate WoW guilds, to be honest.

There's a lot of 'successful' guilds in WoW that have dominated other games. Fires of Heaven comes to mind, although they were on a PvE server for quite some time.

[PrimalSign]

There's a lot of 'successful' guilds in WoW that have dominated other games. Fires of Heaven comes to mind, although they were on a PvE server for quite some time.

You're using one of the biggest pussy raid guilds in history as an example? Well if you consider farming gear success, sure I guess that'll make 'em Darkfall champions. :rolleyes:

[Brilliant]

You're using one of the biggest pussy raid guilds in history as an example? Well if you consider farming gear success, sure I guess that'll make 'em Darkfall champions. :rolleyes:

Its not so much that the WoW guilds were doing 'pussy' things, but that they were doing them with so much dedication and tenacity. If they bring that with them to DF, they will certainly be a powergaming force to be reckoned with. However, imo, I think the individual WoW players who started with WoW and WoW-like games will not hang around in DF for very long, for the most part. And if the individual players are dissatisfied with losing their shinies, the guilds themselves will have trouble repeating their previous glory when they come to Darkfall.

It pains me to say this, though. I think 'leet' WoW raiding guilds are one of the worst player-made abominations in MMOs.

P.S. Evelath, I really like your sig. Except for maybe the font you used for your name, the whole thing is awesome. Did you make it yourself?

[Metal Wolf]

I've played Korean grind MMO's that are more entertaing than WoW. The only thing WoW is good for is showing the amount of time to waste per week a person has.

[Shamoke]

I am in the Society of the Anvil. That automatically makes it a factor.

[Surly]

Hey, if they can find some way to translate DKP over to a PvP enticement system, they might have something going for them.I'm just saying don't underestimate the tenacity of a guild that's managed to have fun spending countless hours grinding through high end dungeons. When they hit a game like Darkfall they're all liable to quit their jobs and play 24/7 until they die. For years they've been solidifying their core guild structure, streamlining their command structure, and getting every last one of their members organized. Organized for PvE, but nonetheless they're suited to taking orders and doing what they're told. All it takes is a savvy leader of one of those guilds to convert a successful WoW guild into a successful Darkfall guild. It may be rare to see some one with the ability to adapt so readily, but for guilds who have previously been in PvP MMOs it isn't much of a stretch to imagine they've got the logical outlook on these sorts of games. That logic, I might add, is by itself enough to crush the extremely common pipe-dreamers who come to Darkfall with a hand full of wishes which will soon leave them flinging the contents of their other hand at people as a last resort of defense... once it has filled up, of course.

And if you're unwilling to accept that fact out of a dangerous self-inflicted dose of pride, I'd at least expect you to understand a WoW guild will be better off than a forum guild!

[Surly]

Then again....

There's a lot of 'successful' guilds in WoW that have dominated other games. Fires of Heaven comes to mind, although they were on a PvE server for quite some time.You're using one of the biggest pussy raid guilds in history as an example? Well if you consider farming gear success, sure I guess that'll make 'em Darkfall champions. :rolleyes:

As referenced here, there are some WoW guilds that are just plain made of fail and toe-nail clippings.

[Wodanbe]

i don't know , hehe don't know if there is anyone from ATS that realy posts alot

[Unknewn]

SB guilds>WoW guilds, why?

Sieges

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/351/hefhatesdisorderbx6.jpg

[Protonix]

I am in the Society of the Anvil. That automatically makes it a factor.

ditto

[Helgeran]

It's safe to say SotA has won Forumfall now that every forumfaller that counts is a part of us.

[Metal Wolf]

Definatly have the postcount per capita locked up good at least.

[Shads]

It's safe to say SotA has won Forumfall now that every forumfaller that counts is a part of us.

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/nowai-42443.jpg

[MaxTheDwarf]

SB guilds>WoW guilds, why?

Sieges

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/351/hefhatesdisorderbx6.jpg

I can't say a SB guild would be better than a WoW guild. Like Sulry said WoW guilds have been playing forever and have teamwork have gotten teamwork down for the past 3 years. It's not like SB takes more skill than WoW, it's the same click and attack crap.

[Exultus]

SB guilds>WoW guilds, why?

Sieges

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/351/hefhatesdisorderbx6.jpg

No bucket huts? pshaw.

[tadashi]

I can't say a SB guild would be better than a WoW guild. Like Sulry said WoW guilds have been playing forever and have teamwork have gotten teamwork down for the past 3 years. It's not like SB takes more skill than WoW, it's the same click and attack crap.


I saw some of the work that Death and Taxes put into their world-first kill of the 4 Horsemen and it makes any strategy I've ever seen before it look petty and elementary. They had spread sheets to explain how much damage every tank would be taking over time in the fight to help predict the exact moments to throw heals and whatnot. I realize this is in a fight with AI that's programmed to react a certain way, but my point is that guilds that are well organized and skilled will lay the groundwork for success wherever they go. I'm excited that there are going to be rivalries between guilds that have never seen each other in games before in DFO. It's going to be interesting to see what happens.

[Unknewn]

I can't say a SB guild would be better than a WoW guild. Like Sulry said WoW guilds have been playing forever and have teamwork have gotten teamwork down for the past 3 years. It's not like SB takes more skill than WoW, it's the same click and attack crap.

So your saying wow guilds have been playing longer then SB guilds?

Do you know when SB beta was and WoW beta was? Do you even know which game came out first.

Can you even name me a WoW guild that has been playing straight for 3 years?

You obviously did'nt play SB for long, you've might heard it has click and point settings in the game. But what you do'nt know is that the game is played on politics, sieges, tactics, team work, character builds, city buildings, resources and alot more. Just like Darkfall will be. WoW is about killing monsters, using AI's/scripts to defeat monsters, teamwork, items. I'd say SB is alot more related to Darkfall. And yes, SB guilds will rock the WoW guilds, if not all guilds.

[LanMandragon]

So your saying wow guilds have been playing longer then SB guilds?

Do you know when SB beta was and WoW beta was? Do you even know which game came out first.

Can you even name me a WoW guild that has been playing straight for 3 years?

You obviously did'nt play SB for long, you've might heard it has click and point settings in the game. But what you do'nt know is that the game is played on politics, sieges, tactics, team work, character builds, city buildings, resources and alot more. Just like Darkfall will be. WoW is about killing monsters, using AI's/scripts to defeat monsters, teamwork, items. I'd say SB is alot more related to Darkfall. And yes, SB guilds will rock the WoW guilds, if not all guilds.

For once, I agree. Sure some WOW guilds may be competitive, but overall every single one I joined or saw pales in comparison to SB guilds for staying power.

Nothing like having your city burned down to the ground to see if you are made of something.

[Teth]

And yes, SB guilds will rock the WoW guilds, if not all guilds.
Any EVE corps that make the transition en masse will be on a much better footing simply because of the added dynamic of logistics & supply. That wasn't an issue in Shadowbane, by and large.

That said I agree with your sentiment that you can't really count on much from the WoW guilds, despite what some people here may believe. I look forward to being pleasantly surprised by one or two, perhaps.

[LanMandragon]

Any EVE corps that make the transition en masse will be on a much better footing simply because of the added dynamic of logistics & supply. That wasn't an issue in Shadowbane, by and large.

That said I agree with your sentiment that you can't really count on much from the WoW guilds, despite what some people here may believe. I look forward to being pleasantly surprised by one or two, perhaps.

I think most people count EVE guilds on the same level as SB. EVE is dangerous, WOW is not.

[Dagger]

the mercs

[atroxor]

I think it's safe to say that the type of WoW players who come to DF aren't going to be your typical players. Those guys are staying on WoW. However, there are normally a few guilds per server that are highly competitive in whatever they are playing. Due to WoW's shear size I don't think it's unreasonable to say that there could be some power houses that come from there. There will be more of a learning curve for them, but they're not all idiots. Just most of them.

Yes, you are allowed to include me in the "most of them".

[Thiruen]

To everything thats been said so far about guilds that have had large presences in other MMO's (SB, EVE, Etc.) ...why the hell does it matter. Honestly when a guild/clan says they've been around for "X" years, though that may be the case that the name is around the members for the most part change constantly (In my expirience at least, if this isn't the case prove me wrong). And if thats the case, does the name really matter at all or what game it came from when many of the members will be new to the guild and the leaders won't be the same as they were in other games?


I've yet to see a guild's structure stay the same moving from one game to another, seems when guilds start up a new game they don't actually move, they branch off. The only thing that mildly links the branch in one game to their original game is they commonly share a website and they have the same name.

Sorry if this seems a lil' rushed, heading out to pick someone up...edit when I return!

[Slypieguy]

I think FPS players will be better off than WoW or SB players.

[Metal Wolf]

In my experiance MMO players also play a good deal of FPS's as well. So thats kinda moot.

[atroxor]

I think FPS players will be better off than WoW or SB players.

In flat out pvp I could see that, but there's the whole logistical side of things. I think that's the main argument why sb and eve are good "training" grounds for df. Apparently, there's more of a need for logistics in those games then WoW.

However, to the guy who said old guilds != new guilds, Good point.

[Unknewn]

I just dont see any politics, sieges, warfares, city building, alliances etc. in FPS games... I have 0 believe that FPS>SB guilds.

[Kaorn]

I don't think that the clans from a singular game are going to be better, I will matter on the level of skill of the players, and that will not truly show until the game is released

[tadashi]

I don't think that the clans from a singular game are going to be better, I will matter on the level of skill of the players, and that will not truly show until the game is released

The fact is some people just have better instincts for certain styles of gameplay than other people. Someone that can kick ass at a Fighting game might not be the best at an FPS. As DFO will have a combat system that is different than other MMOs, what you said is true. We won't know until launch.

[Azilmar]

Its not a matter of the biggest posting presence its which guild has recruited the most Guild hoppers... so hopefully yours isnt on of those guilds. If you have enough players (who arent there just to use the guild for their own greedy purposes) then youll thrive well enough. If not then once the going gets rough or shit hits the fan... Your guilds going down nonetheless enough said

-Azilmar

[MaxTheDwarf]

The best guilds will be the ones who adapt quickly to df's style.

[Bensidhe]

The best guilds will be the ones who adapt quickly to df's style.


Qft. seeing as how most MMO's are gear based and DFo is twitch/skill based, it will be the guys that grasp the physical and game mechanics that will rule. Also, the political environment is going to be a factor here as opposed to those "other" games . Numbers , skills and some political savvy . The Zerg ? Always a factor, but maybe not as much in this game. My guild is waiting for the go, but how many will immigrate to DFo? Who knows ? I think I'm the most active poster, but a lot of them lurk around and stay on top of the news and shenanigans.:sly:

[Phooks]

WoW has a completley different style to DF. The only thing WoW clans have going for them is their commitment and friendships.

Eve and SB clans however have heaps of management skills like gathering resources, crafting, managing towns (planets) etc. These will come in handy.

[BLACKWATCH]

So many Guilds/Clans formed for the sole reason, Beta Invite for there members.
There not real Clans..

Id say there are just two clans, who will go in , and thrive, Most clans. will fall apart, soon after release.

But I see a ton of other games active clans, converging on Darkfall when it goes Public.
(If its a good game , if pulls a Shadowbane, all bets are off)

Then if the gameis good to go, I see a lot of Clans starting up and growing, till
a few are dominate, with the rest folding or being social clubs for the most part.

[LanMandragon]

So many Guilds/Clans formed for the sole reason, Beta Invite for there members.
There not real Clans..

Id say there are just two clans, who will go in , and thrive, Most clans. will fall apart, soon after release.

But I see a ton of other games active clans, converging on Darkfall when it goes Public.
(If its a good game , if pulls a Shadowbane, all bets are off)

Then if the gameis good to go, I see a lot of Clans starting up and growing, till
a few are dominate, with the rest folding or being social clubs for the most part.

Only two? Thats a little lowball. I think theres quite a few people from SB here who aren't gonna just "fall apart".

[Malevolent]

Id say there are just two clans, who will go in , and thrive, Most clans. will fall apart, soon after release.


ORLY?

[Vecnaros]

The best guild will be from the ones that get into the clan beta and/or run by a forum moderator or developer :P

Any guild getting into the clan beta will have a significant advantage when the game is released. For obvious reasons. Not as if that can be avoided, it cant :P

Is the game designed so that a guild can be created several weeks into the release and still be competitve. I hope so, i really do.

Lately im seeing guild leaders being made into forum moderators. Big mistake, especially in a pvp / world conquesting centered game. Game developers/moderators shouldnt be put into that position. It is just a whole can of worms. Makes the game feel 'indie' and not professional.

But thats just my opinion. I might be completly wrong.

[edit]

To add: Im assuming the developers want a game thats NOT dominated by a select few guilds. If it does, ill be sadly disapointed.

[Kaorn]

WoW has a completley different style to DF. The only thing WoW clans have going for them is their commitment and friendships.

Eve and SB clans however have heaps of management skills like gathering resources, crafting, managing towns (planets) etc. These will come in handy.

Another thing WoW clans have going for them, and this applies to any other game as well, is that most good gamers have an affinity for all types of computer games, they learn really quick, and easily adapt, I'm not that good of a Gamer but I can pick up a game, and within a half hour of play already be used to the system,

The Good Guilds in WoW are good because of good players, and often that skill is just a general affinity.

[MaxTheDwarf]

WoW has a completley different style to DF. The only thing WoW clans have going for them is their commitment and friendships.

Eve and SB clans however have heaps of management skills like gathering resources, crafting, managing towns (planets) etc. These will come in handy.

You know SB wasn't that hard to manage. Pay your upkeep, that was about it.

[Unknewn]

The best guild will be from the ones that get into the clan beta and/or run by a forum moderator or developer :P


We got CCR powers too!

[wowsux]

wtf anvil society,ive never heard of it. Then again whatever guild you are in is always going to be a big influence to yourself.

[Dagger]

the best clans will be the one s who make it into beta and can map out their plans for realiese and hone their skills. itll be tuff for clans to come in after realiese and be succesfull if not impossable.

[Teth]

the best clans will be the one s who make it into beta and can map out their plans for realiese and hone their skills. itll be tuff for clans to come in after realiese and be succesfull if not impossable.
Not really. The beta clans will have an advantage for the first few months, and then the playing field'll level out nicely as everybody else picks up the same information they were privy to from the get-go.

[Jonkar]

There'll be an open beta too right?

[Unknewn]

the best clans will be the one s who make it into beta and can map out their plans for realiese and hone their skills. itll be tuff for clans to come in after realiese and be succesfull if not impossable.

Doesnt matter, this guy; http://qft-gaming.com/unknewn/unk1.wma will be #1

[Atnas]

The best guild will be from the ones that get into the clan beta and/or run by a forum moderator or developer :P

Exactly how is a mod an advantage? I heard there's been alot of talking about that sort of thing in SB, but I mean...

"Hey guyz, let me givez you the secrut info on teh postcounts haxx? lolol advtnge"

[Baldr]

The ones that will make it, are the ones that will keep to their own race and their race's allies. The 'AR' clans will never survive, and will soon realize that when they hit beta, or when they hit release, and will disintergrate into nothingness or adapt to one race.

Clans like the BKB, SotA, and House Shivering.

[Jonkar]

Actually, we are ARAC and i'd say we have a great plan for survival. Hopefully we'll get accepted into the Beta to prove it to you though.

[Atnas]

The ones that will make it, are the ones that will keep to their own race and their race's allies. The 'AR' clans will never survive, and will soon realize that when they hit beta, or when they hit release, and will disintergrate into nothingness or adapt to one race.

Clans like the BKB, SotA, and House Shivering.

...and here I thought the Society of the Anvil was only dwarfs! I guess you know better than I do, though.

[Unknewn]

Exactly how is a mod an advantage? I heard there's been alot of talking about that sort of thing in SB, but I mean...

"Hey guyz, let me givez you the secrut info on teh postcounts haxx? lolol advtnge"

There's a guild in SB that has like 50% or more Mods/Advocates and is basicly dominating, people complain and think they have some advantage over the other guilds. They've also been accused of in-game powers.

[Teth]

Exactly how is a mod an advantage? I heard there's been alot of talking about that sort of thing in SB, but I mean...

"Hey guyz, let me givez you the secrut info on teh postcounts haxx? lolol advtnge"

There's a guild in SB that has like 50% or more Mods/Advocates and is basicly dominating, people complain and think they have some advantage over the other guilds. They've also been accused of in-game powers.
Well, if I had to postulate it's that the guys who are gonna be the mods and the like are probably pretty goddamn fanatical about the game, so if you get a lot of them together, you're basically assembling a bunch of hardcore players with all of the attendant advantages. The fact that they can h4xx0r your post count is merely incidental.

Although I could see a real edge for having a preponderance of the class advocates in SB, because they're more or less expected to be experts on their particular class and intimately familiar with the ins-and-outs...

[Atnas]

Well, if I had to postulate it's that the guys who are gonna be the mods and the like are probably pretty goddamn fanatical about the game, so if you get a lot of them together, you're basically assembling a bunch of hardcore players with all of the attendant advantages. The fact that they can h4xx0r your post count is merely incidental.

That makes sense, I never saw it that way.

[Baldr]

...and here I thought the Society of the Anvil was only dwarfs! I guess you know better than I do, though.

You didnt catch what i said. The dwarves' allies can join your guild free of risk (humans, elves). I wasn't secluding you to just dwarves.

If any of your people are thinking about being Orks or Mahirim, it wouldnt work, trust me.

[Dogorox]

Not really. The beta clans will have an advantage for the first few months, and then the playing field'll level out nicely as everybody else picks up the same information they were privy to from the get-go.

Yeah, and at that point the beta clans will suddenly grow bored, or find other excuses and quit. They will never admit, even to themselves, that the reason they don't enjoy the game as much anymore is because they've lost their advantage.

[Harmar]

I think WMD is going to be the first one down. Isen sucks at making templates and cities. The guy is a tactical retard

[Atnas]

You didnt catch what i said. The dwarves' allies can join your guild free of risk (humans, elves). I wasn't secluding you to just dwarves.

If any of your people are thinking about being Orks or Mahirim, it wouldnt work, trust me.

Ah, I misunderstood your post... I think?

The ones that will make it, are the ones that will keep to their own race and their race's allies. The 'AR' clans will never survive, and will soon realize that when they hit beta, or when they hit release, and will disintergrate into nothingness or adapt to one race.

Clans like the BKB, SotA, and House Shivering.

I thought you meant that "guilds like BKB, SotA and House Shivering" was the first ones to go down since they were "ARAC". Sorry!

[Malevolent]

I think WMD is going to be the first one down. Isen sucks at making templates and cities. The guy is a tactical retard

I get the distinct feeling you have experienced us up your ass before. Another customer served. Rock on fanboi.

[MaxTheDwarf]

I get the distinct feeling you have experienced us up your ass before. Another customer served. Rock on fanboi.

Maybe he has just been spying on you. Aren't you guys Mithril Warhammer?

[MaxTheDwarf]

wtf anvil society,ive never heard of it. Then again whatever guild you are in is always going to be a big influence to yourself.

Well what are you in, oh Mercenary something of agon? Never heard of you before either.

[Atnas]

wtf anvil society,ive never heard of it.

Liar, we are all over the forum.

[Malevolent]

Maybe he has just been spying on you. Aren't you guys Mithril Warhammer?

Wtf...

[Harmar]

To tell you the truth Malevolent I was in your guild for a short stay. Then the asians ruined the fun and everyone quit playing shadowbane

[Whoopin]

To tell you the truth Malevolent I was in your guild for a short stay. Then the asians ruined the fun and everyone quit playing shadowbane
lol whooped by the asians! Got your fun ruined? Didnt want to get revenge? Play to Crush isnt easy? Its OK, many others feel the same after awhile.

Shadowbane is one of the best games EVAR!
Long live Open PvP and the fun opportunities and consequences it provides.

[MaxTheDwarf]

Wtf...

I think I mixed up my guilds. Either way Harmar says you suck, so you suck. He has spoken you have lost.

I think you guys are just peachy though.

[Protonix]

I think you're just peachy Max!

[Harmar]

No I got sick of the asians because I don't want to go to a bane at 4 in the morning. Just seems like I could (I know this is hard to believe) find something better to do with my life. I don't know what that better than is, but right now it's sleeping while the asians are playing

[Arnie]

WMD might not be pirates but they can hold their own. Ta say anything else be misinformed.

[Kaorn]

I say SotA is the first down IMO

[Baldr]

I say SotA is the first down IMO

I sense irony in there.

[LanMandragon]

No I got sick of the asians because I don't want to go to a bane at 4 in the morning. Just seems like I could (I know this is hard to believe) find something better to do with my life. I don't know what that better than is, but right now it's sleeping while the asians are playing

That's Ubi's fault for the poor mine and bane times imo.

[Unknewn]

I think WMD is going to be the first one down. Isen sucks at making templates and cities. The guy is a tactical retard

LoD's bitches

To tell you the truth Malevolent I was in your guild for a short stay. Then the asians ruined the fun and everyone quit playing shadowbane

Comon the asians are fun, good challange!

[Unknewn]

Well, if I had to postulate it's that the guys who are gonna be the mods and the like are probably pretty goddamn fanatical about the game, so if you get a lot of them together, you're basically assembling a bunch of hardcore players with all of the attendant advantages. The fact that they can h4xx0r your post count is merely incidental.

Although I could see a real edge for having a preponderance of the class advocates in SB, because they're more or less expected to be experts on their particular class and intimately familiar with the ins-and-outs...

Sweet! Add haxor count post powers to our guild!

[MaxTheDwarf]

I think you're just peachy Max!

I like your sig, it's a good one.

I say SotA is the first down IMO

I say you're the first one to go down.

[Protonix]

I like your sig, it's a good one.



Thanks! Courtesy of Fylraen!

[Osium]

...And possibly fatally compromising the mindframe, ethos, and esprit de corps that made them so devastating in those previous games. It's something of a fine line; you can get rusty by playing nothing, but you can become utterly tainted & ruined if you immerse yourself too deeply in that "epic PvE raid guild" mentality. If nothing else you'll probably pick up a fair chunk of new "core" members who will probably be hard-pressed psychologically to make the jump to a more...dangerous...environment.

You're absolutely right.

However many of those guilds have their core group still intact and they intend to put their new people on a very accelerated learning curve come the next big PvP game. If you show yourself to be a pussy, or are known to be a pussy, it won't matter if you were the main tank and you rawked the coolest purple shit in WoW. You will be looking for a new guild.

Most of the big name PvP guilds that continue to play WoW have expressed this sentiment to me, usually when I make fun of their rapidly expanding rosters ;p

Oh and for the topic, TheMercs imo.

[Skathenistic]

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=40525

Why is this thread necessary?

[Atnas]

At least we didn't make them.

[Mippoose]

Nk Wins Wooooooooooooo!

[Crookedstep]

Agreed.

[PrimalSign]

Oh and for the topic, TheMercs imo.

What guild will go from having the biggest presence on the forums pre-beta
to being a total non factor in game?

Ok, gratz on your prize as a non-factor.

Why is this thread necessary?

Because the OP has a man-crush on Surly
I could swear most of this forum's socialists were closet homosexuals after the hardassed libertarian of their dreams.

In any case, it was obviously meant as a troll bait since the topic itself is an invitation to shit-talk and make angry faces.

[MaxTheDwarf]

At least we didn't make them.

We didn't make them, but we did make them interesting!

[Suitepee]

In any case, it was obviously meant as a troll bait since the topic itself is an invitation to shit-talk and make angry faces.

Which is in essence warmup practice for when the game starts. Because Forumfall CD will then be nothing more but clan v clan trashtalking. (moreso than now,and with actual purpose)

And it shall be glorious to observe. :D

[Glarm]

Maybe he has just been spying on you. Aren't you guys Mithril Warhammer?

WMD is Weapons of Mass Destruction.
MWH is Mithril Warhammers, we're known as Warforged on these boards.

[MaxTheDwarf]

WMD is Weapons of Mass Destruction.
MWH is Mithril Warhammers, we're known as Warforged on these boards.

Ah, see I knew you were still around, I just couldn't remember your name.

[Glarm]

Ah, see I knew you were still around, I just couldn't remember your name.

Yup, still around, alive, and kicking. Hard to keep any Dwarf out of the fight. :D

We'll be following this game untill it comes out, then for years afterwards I'm sure. :D

[Reagan]

Tp!

[Protonix]

Tp!

omgooses Reagan my lub!!11!

[Unknewn]

Tp!

EB/Zerg/nations/nutcuppers sure have big forum presence but damn in game... Disapointing

[Nehemia]

Two clans who have bragged too much;
QFT & The Mercs.

These two clans will be a dissappointment compared to their accomplishment (QFT only) And the amount of talk how much they will pwn (Kyrandos and Unknewn). Don't get me wrong, both clans will/can accomplish something, but either one is nowhere near world domination unless a miracle happens.

And yes, I'll sign up my team too.
I do not belive that a private military company hired to farm rat tails is going to affect much into the games world, unless a miracle happens here too.

The one last question remains, who knows?.

[Nehemia]

I think FPS players will be better off than WoW or SB players.

Give this game insta hit crossbow and FeVer][Pitch returns to kick your asses.

[Metal Wolf]

So people who play both will be mobile death units?

Kickass I'm gonna rock this shit.

[Unknewn]

Two clans who have bragged too much;
QFT & The Mercs.

These two clans will be a dissappointment compared to their accomplishment (QFT only) And the amount of talk how much they will pwn (Kyrandos and Unknewn). Don't get me wrong, both clans will/can accomplish something, but either one is nowhere near world domination unless a miracle happens.

And yes, I'll sign up my team too.
I do not belive that a private military company hired to farm rat tails is going to affect much into the games world, unless a miracle happens here too.

The one last question remains, who knows?.

The Merc dont compare to what we've got in our guild roster, the players we got.


What makes you think that a guild that holds each and every record in SB, players with 11+ years of pvp history, even some 15+ will be a disapointment? I wonder...

I highly doubt you've seen us on the field because you wouldnt be posting this then. Something you'll see in DF, how good we are at sieges and how organized we are. That's what this game will be all about, destroying cities.

[Mandriane]

omg reading this makes my eyes bleed!

[Red Morgan]

The Merc dont compare to what we've got in our guild roster, the players we got.


What makes you think that a guild that holds each and every record in SB, players with 11+ years of pvp history, even some 15+ will be a disapointment? I wonder...

I highly doubt you've seen us on the field because you wouldnt be posting this then. Something you'll see in DF, how good we are at sieges and how organized we are. That's what this game will be all about, destroying cities.

I don't think there's going to be all that much city destroying. The Devs are making it expensive, dangerous and time consuming to siege another city. I expect skirmishes to occur regularly, and full scale war to be a bit more uncommon.

[Surly]

I don't think there's going to be all that much city destroying. The Devs are making it expensive, dangerous and time consuming to siege another city. I expect skirmishes to occur regularly, and full scale war to be a bit more uncommon.I agree. I think that only the most well developed feuds will turn into battles for cities, except in the case of smaller clans warring with one another since they may only have one or two cities to defend.

The bulk of the wars we see will be fought over resources, clan villages, naval access, and outposts unless I miss my guess.

[Sel'Karim]

I don't think there's going to be all that much city destroying. The Devs are making it expensive, dangerous and time consuming to siege another city. I expect skirmishes to occur regularly, and full scale war to be a bit more uncommon.

I certainly hope so. Seiges should be epic and go down in darkfall history, rather than be a dialy affair.

[Level9-Fiss]

Real guilds keep skill up by PvPing in games not forums.

[Surly]

Real guilds keep skill up by PvPing in games not forums.Your mom keeps her skill up by PVPing in games not forums.

[Spades Felligan]

Your mom keeps her skill up by PVPing in games not forums.

Good to see Ironman Surly well at work!

[[Malice]Bronson]

Only four types of players/guilds will make any sort of impact in DF. The rest will be fodder and loot holders, we'd be kidding ourselves to think otherwise. This is always how it plays out.

1. MegaGuilds/Alliances with 300+ Players

2. Griefers that only login to make others times miserable and are good at it and become known for it.

3. Pk guilds with 20-30 members with good communication that constantly raid and can be extremely active in game. A group that knows their characters so well that when they roll through people either leave or get beat down, even when having superior numbers. A guild that causes people to leave an area 9/10 times due to fear.

4. Ahh yes, the forum trolls. They have more power than people think through propaganda usage and controlling emotions and thoughts of the playerbase who frequent the forums.


Servers that can hold 10,000 people mean that any guild wanting to make a presence must make a splash in a large way, whether it be kill counts, numbers and power, or scams and deception.

[Protonix]

Bronson;1035844']4. Ahh yes, the forum trolls. They have more power than people think through propaganda usage and controlling emotions and thoughts of the playerbase who frequent the forums.


Speaking of, you should tell Fugger to come visit me.

[Nehemia]

The Merc dont compare to what we've got in our guild roster, the players we got.


What makes you think that a guild that holds each and every record in SB, players with 11+ years of pvp history, even some 15+ will be a disapointment? I wonder...

I highly doubt you've seen us on the field because you wouldnt be posting this then. Something you'll see in DF, how good we are at sieges and how organized we are. That's what this game will be all about, destroying cities.

If you would firstly understand: Your over 10 years experience is going to waste when you notice sieging will not similiar, the battle system is FPS not a click-n-slash. In Darkfall you can't defeat anyone just because you have the uber build. Its completly different game. Your organization goes to waste when you are stuck with eachother cause of collision detection and get your asses whooped by the loved thing called friendly fire. You have to start over, just like the rest of us. And second, I have seen you in field. If I met a solo player, it was a challenge fun to take, but if you guys were more than 2. I always ran, even in team...

[Kwaidan]

Non factors in the game will allways be the keyboard warrior's on the forum, trolls , flamers, etc. thats how it goes for most MMO's , people that are more busy on the forums calling out people :rolleyes:

[Protonix]

Non factors in the game will allways be the keyboard warrior's on the forum, trolls , flamers, etc. thats how it goes for most MMO's , people that are more busy on the forums calling out people :rolleyes:

There's this word you're looking for...

oh, it's generalization!

[Atnas]

Non factors in the game will allways be the keyboard warrior's on the forum, trolls , flamers, etc. thats how it goes for most MMO's , people that are more busy on the forums calling out people :rolleyes:

Haha, no, but whatever makes you sleep at night!

[Level9-Fiss]

Your mom keeps her skill up by PVPing in games not forums.

hooray for 12 year old WoW alliance players. Do us all a favor and stay away from DF.

[Level9-Fiss]

There's this word you're looking for...

oh, it's generalization!

its a word called fact...

post more, maybe you can break 8k.

[Krush]

What the zerg guild recruiting like everyone? Ruthless?

[Red Morgan]

hooray for 12 year old WoW alliance players. Do us all a favor and stay away from DF.

So says the kid with the DBZ sig! LOLOLOLOL

Why don't you go back to the Manga aisle in Borders where you belong.

[Kyrandos]

Two clans who have bragged too much;
QFT & The Mercs.

These two clans will be a dissappointment compared to their accomplishment (QFT only) And the amount of talk how much they will pwn (Kyrandos and Unknewn). Don't get me wrong, both clans will/can accomplish something, but either one is nowhere near world domination unless a miracle happens.

And yes, I'll sign up my team too.
I do not belive that a private military company hired to farm rat tails is going to affect much into the games world, unless a miracle happens here too.

The one last question remains, who knows?.


Still not over TM? Course not, how could you get over your gods.

For the record, we've accomplished more since yserbius than every guild on here including QFT combined. That's what makes us gods. We're winners.

Further, we have absolutely no intention of achieving world domination in Darkfall, nor have we ever given the impression that we did. We're going to win darkfall, yes, of course. That's what we do. World domination however - No. We don't want the world. We want your loot. And we're gonna take it.

[Kyrandos]

The Merc dont compare to what we've got in our guild roster, the players we got.


What makes you think that a guild that holds each and every record in SB, players with 11+ years of pvp history, even some 15+ will be a disapointment? I wonder...

I highly doubt you've seen us on the field because you wouldnt be posting this then. Something you'll see in DF, how good we are at sieges and how organized we are. That's what this game will be all about, destroying cities.

Good points, except you don't know the players on our roster, and you are a flaming idiot. Regardless, QFT's goals are different than TM's. They can have cities. We don't want em. We want the blood sacks inside, and we're gonna pop em and loot em. Pure and simple. That includes your precious 20 year veteran PVP l33t kill@r members, too.

[Kyrandos]

There's this word you're looking for...

oh, it's generalization!

QFT

[Atnas]

hooray for 12 year old WoW alliance players. Do us all a favor and stay away from DF.

I'm afraid your Dragonball signature isn't helping.

[Nehemia]

I'm afraid your Dragonball signature isn't helping.

Touché, once again.

[Nehemia]

Still not over TM? Course not, how could you get over your gods.

For the record, we've accomplished more since yserbius than every guild on here including QFT combined. That's what makes us gods. We're winners.

Further, we have absolutely no intention of achieving world domination in Darkfall, nor have we ever given the impression that we did. We're going to win darkfall, yes, of course. That's what we do. World domination however - No. We don't want the world. We want your loot. And we're gonna take it.

Heh, not gods, but my nemesis.

And as I said after that post, accomplishments don't give a shit. And I'm not going to argue about your accomplishments, but you certainly aren't winners.

I thought you guys want nothing less, nothing more than every city in the world? Oh.. I was wrong, if your clans point is to mindlessly PK until people go insane, go ahead.. But be prepeared to fight.

[Kyrandos]

Heh, not gods, but my nemesis.

And as I said after that post, accomplishments don't give a shit. And I'm not going to argue about your accomplishments, but you certainly aren't winners.

I thought you guys want nothing less, nothing more than every city in the world? Oh.. I was wrong, if your clans point is to mindlessly PK until people go insane, go ahead.. But be prepeared to fight.

We've been over this before, plenty of times. The Mercs is a small guild of Godly players who have no interest in owning landmass. We've done it before plenty of times, and who knows, if it strikes our fancy in Darkfall, we will certainly do it. However our plans do not include it. I would like to say, however, that I find your last post amusingly narrow minded. Would you seriously try to suggest the only viable way to play this game is large scale, city vs city? Are you really 'poo poo'ing PK groups?

Silly plebian.

[Nehemia]

Only if you in all your überness would have noticed I did not suggest anything.
Of course theres also a way just go bragging to roleplayers who sit in tavern how hard you banged your wife last night.

[Kyrandos]

Only if you in all your überness would have noticed I did not suggest anything.
Of course theres also a way just go bragging to roleplayers who sit in tavern how hard you banged your wife last night.

Sorry, I got confused when you referred to PKing as a mindless activity just to drive people insane. My bad.

As for the rest of your post, I don't understand what you are saying, but I'm going to hazard out the fact that I'm not married. Not sure if that has any relevance though, as I'm struggling to to figure out what you meant in the first place.

And P.S. I'm not uber. I'm a God. I'm a winner. I've already won darkfall.

[Protonix]

QFT

Hey Buddy!!

[Kyrandos]

Hey Buddy!!

(I'm not really here, but hello!)

[Atnas]

Sorry, I got confused when you referred to PKing as a mindless activity just to drive people insane. My bad.

As for the rest of your post, I don't understand what you are saying, but I'm going to hazard out the fact that I'm not married. Not sure if that has any relevance though, as I'm struggling to to figure out what you meant in the first place.

And P.S. I'm not uber. I'm a God. I'm a winner. I've already won darkfall.

Trying to get free PR through a badass attitude, hmm? Well, I wont fall for that!

Oh wait. =(

Please define winning!

[Kyrandos]

Please define winning!

If you have to ask, you couldn't handle it anyway.

[Atnas]

If you have to ask, you couldn't handle it anyway.

Ah, trolling then.

[Kyrandos]

Ah, trolling then.

.... This is actually the second time you've realized this about me.

[Osium]

The possibility for TM to get involved in city taking is possible. It is not however our expressed goal.

What exactly does taking and holding cities prove? It proves you have numbers.

If QFT think that they can take and control a very large swath of land with a handful of people, they are mistaken. SB was a teleport fest, as such, 20 people could be anywhere in the world in a matter of minutes. Travel will be a large factor in DF and when you decide to control territory without rapid transit, numbers come into play.

As you can see http://www.hunyamunya.com/themercs/members.php

We have an exclusive membership. Everyone on that roster by the way Unknewn has more experience in MMO's than anyone in QFT. We also sport some of the top FPS players in the world. Everyone on that roster joined before the year 2000. Some have been members since the early 90's.

Numerically it is not sensible for us to try and control the world, in other games where the mechanics supported it yes, we were able to do it and we did it. This game will not allow for that without the bloating of the roster.

The question then became, how do we make as big of an impact as possible with 15 or so members and another 10-20 friends/recruits? The answer is mobility. Ok that is only half the answer, the other half is kicking ass.

QFT will probably do quite well with their numbers and they might control a couple cities close enough together that they can protect them all adequately. They will however be regional.

We will be global. We will be like the mother fucking mongols. We will show up, burn your shit down, take everything you have and then be gone, like the wind. The piss off factor will only be amplified by the fact we will always win, and we won't have a base of operations for you to strike at. We won't have a static location for you and your giant reach around fest alliance for 600 players to come and lag us out.

If history has proven anything, we are adaptable, and if DF does allow for a small group to control lots of territory in the classical sense, then it is possible we will dabble in that. The true goal however is to be on everyones lips. Be THAT guild, that you might not see on a day to day basis, but when you do see us it means you're about to get shit on.

[Draclau]

I got to the second page them jumped to the last.

Quick! Somebody! Gimme the run down on what the hell you guys are talking about!

[Atnas]

.... This is actually the second time you've realized this about me.

You mean recently? I have? Hm, that's weird, I can't recall that!

If you mean I realized once a long time ago, then you should know that I suck at detecting sarcasm and trolling. I'm never too sure if someone is serious or not, always have to keep myself up to date!

[Sonn Fere]

You mean recently? I have? Hm, that's weird, I can't recall that!

If you mean I realized once a long time ago, then you should know that I suck at detecting sarcasm and trolling. I'm never too sure if someone is serious or not, always have to keep myself up to date!

That's because you're a Swede.

[Atnas]

No, just lack of skill in Forum-Fu.

[Nehemia]

Numerically it is not sensible for us to try and control the world, in other games where the mechanics supported it yes, we were able to do it and we did it. This game will not allow for that without the bloating of the roster.

The question then became, how do we make as big of an impact as possible with 15 or so members and another 10-20 friends/recruits? The answer is mobility. Ok that is only half the answer, the other half is kicking ass.


Well there is one possibility, if Darkfall shows the true impact of Mercenary clans, and there will be a mercenary clan that is really worth of giving contracts for. You can hire them for you, but that is unlikely to happen.
Yes I'm in a mercenary clan and I don't belive in mercenary clans success, I just want to give it a shot.

[Unknewn]

For the record, we've accomplished more since yserbius than every guild on here including QFT combined. That's what makes us gods. We're winners.


Not in million years sir.



What exactly does taking and holding cities prove? It proves you have numbers.

Wrong. It proofs that your guild is good at pvping/sieging. A risk to lose more then just your gear that you are wearing, everything. A risk that some guilds are afraid of holding.


If QFT think that they can take and control a very large swath of land with a handful of people, they are mistaken. SB was a teleport fest, as such, 20 people could be anywhere in the world in a matter of minutes. Travel will be a large factor in DF and when you decide to control territory without rapid transit, numbers come into play.

They said they have simular traveleing "teleporting" system as in UO, so it should be no prob