clan tags

[cowboys7y13]

i know that they have said that names wont be floating above our heads in game, but will their be any way to inspect other people? i don't want anyone knowing whats guild im in (friend or foe) unless i do something like put on a tabard? have they addressed this issue? if not, do you think players should be able to hide their guild info from the world if they want to?

[GodOfTheAges]

I think they should have info on someone cause they might no what guild ur in and u wont no what guild they in then thye assasinate U:D

[Taroth]

Unlike say WoW, there are no floating tags above your head. I am unaware of any way to identify someone besides their tabard.

[allpone]

Not sure anything has been said. My opinion would be to let it be an option to ware your colors / symbols what ever it is. Leaving more room for realism when it comes to assassinations and spies / scouts.

[Pernix]

When you hover your mouse over someone, that info will display. But indeed, not floating names.

You can of course wear a certain set of clothes/armor to identify yourself as a member of a clan. Perhaps even a clan icon which shows up on a shield or so, but I'm not sure if thats in.

[Daarco]

When you hover your mouse over someone, that info will display. But indeed, not floating names.


And this only work on close range i have read somewhere.

So you need to get close to see who the person is:D

[cowboys7y13]

its alright if they can see your name, but they shouldnt be able to see your clan unless your waring a guild tabard.

[Pernix]

its alright if they can see your name, but they shouldnt be able to see your clan unless your waring a guild tabard.

Care to explain why?

[cowboys7y13]

Care to explain why?

because that way they can tell if people are with you or not, and sometimes you might not want people to know who or how big your posy is.

[Crying Hyena]

You can use deception skills to hide info.

[Darkmatter]

You will be able to check someones info. But then you first need to know they are there, then target them, then aquire the info, then read the info - you might be dead already. This system is pure stupidity if players can "skill" up to hide their character ID. In fact, it is pure stupidity to begin with. I totaly support the use of logos, crests, types of clothes etc to identify your own next to the big fat name and probably clan logo next to their name when targeted.

[Rahavin]

Why would anyone want to hide their character ID? If I kill someone, I want him to know I was the one who did him in, because I love to stroke the pvpness.

[Darkmatter]

Do I really have to answer something like that? I prefer not to, that's how stupid that is.

[Rahavin]

I was under the impression that you could only look at people's IDs from close up, thats why I think it is pretty pointless to skill up to hide it. If you can do far range targeting, then yes, it will have its value and I was mistaken.

[Darkmatter]

If you WANT everyone to know you just killed someone, there never was a problem at all - they could shout your name and glory from the highest mountains and It would be just peachy. Think about the deeper scenarios, treason, assassinations, creating confusion, creating misunderstandings etc etc.

[Rahavin]

I can see where you are coming from if I was planning on killing people of my own alliance (Mirdain, Dwarves, other Humans), but if I kill an Orc/Mahirim/Alfar what difference is it to me if they tell everyone in their clan that I am hostile?

[Angry-Khan]

Should be either by tabards or reputation imo.

[Nightblighter]

Should be either by tabards or reputation imo.


I second this, a guild logo somewhere, guild colors(less reliable because if one clan has green red, you cant restrict another guild from using that color combination. Its no fair and there are to many guilds), or just by who you are. Although I suppose a skill could reveal more info, but otherwise, know your enemies.

[Greywind]

Great question....
We were outnumbered, our wall were down and npc guards nerfed to nothing so...
We made a guild with colors and symbols like guild that attack us and mix with them in melee. We know each other but for zerglings ... that was a nasty surprise. Work as a charm.

[Taroth]

Great question....
We were outnumbered, our wall were down and npc guards nerfed to nothing so...
We made a guild with colors and symbols like guild that attack us and mix with them in melee. We know each other but for zerglings ... that was a nasty surprise. Work as a charm.

Although my grammer skills shut off during the weekend, it seems like you were talking in the past tense. Something we're missing here?

[Greywind]

Although my grammer skills shut off during the weekend, it seems like you were talking in the past tense. Something we're missing here?
I'm talking about what happen in the past.
Just an example. Point is that even with floating guild shields and names you can confuse enemy with similar colors. It can be use to advantage of small guilds.

[HoE-Drenath]

I think they should have info on someone cause they might no what guild ur in and u wont no what guild they in then thye assasinate U:DIs this english?

No tags will come in handy for stealth-shit but I'll miss the days of sb when I stood out like a sore thumb for being a board-warrior. Sometimes it's fun to get mass-targeted because everyone you fight auto-targets you above all else so they can get the killshot on a "famous" person. Proto knows what I'm talking about, as do maybe a handful of others from sb.

[Greywind]

Is this english?

No tags will come in handy for stealth-shit but I'll miss the days of sb when I stood out like a sore thumb for being a board-warrior. Sometimes it's fun to get mass-targeted because everyone you fight auto-targets you above all else so they can get the killshot on a "famous" person. Proto knows what I'm talking about, as do maybe a handful of others from sb.
Word of advise for board warriors...
Roll Heavy tank with shield and a lot of resist. Make friends with healers.

[Malevolent]

Is this english?


No.

[HoE-Drenath]

Word of advise for board warriors...
Roll Heavy tank with shield and a lot of resist. Make friends with healers.Leading a battle as a tank is horribly inefficient. You're better rolling with something a little less conventional, or at the very least, something ranged.

Being a hot target is fun though. Running with a healer channy, being a well-known, and hated, board warrior, as well as being an IC of one of the more hated guilds in SB history (and consequently the default bane leader/target caller unless click is on) makes for some fun stories.

[Vanno]

I think you should be able to take opponents heads, and that can be how you identify people. It would also make being a mercenary more practical.

[TiraX]

It would be cool if you could use masks or robes to hide your identity aswell.

[Marrik]

i have no reason to think anything like this will be in the game, but what if they did it so you could form regiments, and everyone else in your regiment would have a floating indicator (but only on your screen), so that you could tell who is in your unit, but without giving you away to enemies


i doubt it though, because i seem to recall them saying there wont even be grouping like in most mmos

[Leric]

I think they should have info on someone cause they might no what guild ur in and u wont no what guild they in then thye assasinate U:D

I'm going to give up my grammer-nazi ways, it's obviously not working.

[Angelmar]

Is this english?

No tags will come in handy for stealth-shit but I'll miss the days of sb when I stood out like a sore thumb for being a board-warrior. Sometimes it's fun to get mass-targeted because everyone you fight auto-targets you above all else so they can get the killshot on a "famous" person. Proto knows what I'm talking about, as do maybe a handful of others from sb.

I never understood why people target Proto... If your going to target a name like that at least get the likely field commander.

I'll miss SB tags, but as long as there is someway to display your guild's colors/tags/w/e I'll be happy.

[Greywind]

Leading a battle as a tank is horribly inefficient. You're better rolling with something a little less conventional, or at the very least, something ranged.

Being a hot target is fun though. Running with a healer channy, being a well-known, and hated, board warrior, as well as being an IC of one of the more hated guilds in SB history (and consequently the default bane leader/target caller unless click is on) makes for some fun stories.
Who said anything about leading?
If you are target caller or field commander or heaver and board troll at same time... That's not too smart. Is it? Brave but....there is no other way to say it... it's kindo stupid

But board warrior and trouble magnet in form of huge warrior! That's match made in heaven.

[HoE-Drenath]

Who said anything about leading?
If you are target caller or field commander or heaver and board troll at same time... That's not too smart. Is it? Brave but....there is no other way to say it... it's kindo stupid

But board warrior and trouble magnet in form of huge warrior! That's match made in heaven.No you missed the original point of my topic.

I pointed out that not many people know what I'm referring to, which you just illustrated.

Some of us just like playing the game with a little more of a target on our backs. It's more fun going into a fight and being the sole focus of fire for half the fight because you have 4 priests healing you to counter what you know they'll do, go for the bait.

For someone like me, proto, fugger, shadivak, etc... it's just a new angle on pvp that makes it even more fun and "risky" than normal.

[Greywind]

No you missed the original point of my topic.

I pointed out that not many people know what I'm referring to, which you just illustrated.

Some of us just like playing the game with a little more of a target on our backs. It's more fun going into a fight and being the sole focus of fire for half the fight because you have 4 priests healing you to counter what you know they'll do, go for the bait.

For someone like me, proto, fugger, shadivak, etc... it's just a new angle on pvp that makes it even more fun and "risky" than normal.

I know perfectly well what you mean.
People love to play "trouble magnet". I understand it. As you can be very useful as bait. Enemy will concentrate fire on you, will break formation to get to you and do other stupid thing. Mean while your healers will pay extra attention to you and keep you up and your glass cannon will nuke the hell out of enemy and your melee will rip apart healers... No brainer.

Now... IMHO being a trouble magnet is a job and function than needs undivided attention and does not go well with healing for example.
Simply because you will be snared and stun most of the time.
Does not go well with target calling or being a field commander because even with 4 healers trouble magnet is likely to die.

So what the best possible class for trouble magnet? Healer? Glass cannon? ROFL! Or defensive warrior with huge health, shield and stuffed with resist? Who can survive longer? Who is easier to heal?

So I do understand reason and perks of being trouble magnet more than you know but I disagree with you about roll and class.

[HoE-Drenath]

The only non-glass class I played extensively since I hooked up with HoE 3 years ago was a scout.

I called targets, posted a hellish amount on the forums, played healers and casters 99% of the time during banes and mines unless I had something more important to do on my scout, etc... Never once can I remember the durability of my toon being a problem enough so that I couldn't lead a bane or call targets effectively.

The problem with claiming you should play a meatshield to be able to survive is idiotic because it removes over half of the incentive for even the more disciplined opponents to attack you first. If you're going against a decent opponent and you're leading on a thick meat toon you won't get called as a target a large portion of the time because they understand that healers are more important than meat toons.

If, however, I were to roll up a healer channy (which is what I rolled with at most banes) I could easily run a bane for extended periods of time without dying simply by knowing my group and my guild well.

[Greywind]

The only non-glass class I played extensively since I hooked up with HoE 3 years ago was a scout.

I called targets, posted a hellish amount on the forums, played healers and casters 99% of the time during banes and mines unless I had something more important to do on my scout, etc... Never once can I remember the durability of my toon being a problem enough so that I couldn't lead a bane or call targets effectively.
So you say

The problem with claiming you should play a meatshield to be able to survive is idiotic because it removes over half of the incentive for even the more disciplined opponents to attack you first. If you're going against a decent opponent and you're leading on a thick meat toon you won't get called as a target a large portion of the time because they understand that healers are more important than meat toons.
Here the problem. If you are playing against discipline and smart opponent who does not bait on "trouble magnet" than.... it does not work period.
They wont go after you out of spite so all your flames on forums are waist and so extra effort of healers in your group to heal you and your own effort to bait attention.
"Trouble magnet" is 10 of 1. It ether work or it does not.
If you fighting stupid zerg it does not matter if you are meatshield or healer if they stupid enough to bait on trouble magnet. In this case you better be a meatshield.

Also... did you really ever fight against zerg? I have an impression that you have no idea about it. One thing zerg got is fire power. If you ever fight 1 to 2 ratio you would not question what trouble magnet should be. I'm not even talking about 1 to 5 odds. Obviously you have no experience with this.

[HoE-Drenath]

Here the problem. If you are playing against discipline and smart opponent who does not bait on "trouble magnet" than.... it does not work period.
They wont go after you out of spite so all your flames on forums are waist and so extra effort of healers in your group to heal you and your own effort to bait attention.
"Trouble magnet" is 10 of 1. It ether work or it does not.
If you fighting stupid zerg it does not matter if you are meatshield or healer if they stupid enough to bait on trouble magnet. In this case you better be a meatshield. Good job proving your stupidity to anyone who was left with a shadow of a doubt.

See the first part of your post where you refer to a skilled opponent not biting on the bait? Yeah... that's exactly what I was fucking saying you tool. That's the entire point of not rolling a meatshield to increase your survivability. If I roll up as a healer channy I'm going to be a second-tier target right off the bat behind only priests and possibly prelates. Couple that with the fact that my opponent knows full well who I am, what toon I'm on, and that I'm most likely running the bane and I just got bumped right to the head of the line in 98% of all fights meaning my status as a hot-target and bait still works perfectly.

If I were rolling around on a minotard beefcake I would be at the bottom of the target hierarchy and even if they know who I am and whatnot it still won't put me ahead of ANY healer. Guess what that means, the strategy won't fucking work.

It's not rocket science kid, jesus.

Also... did you really ever fight against zerg? I have an impression that you have no idea about it. One thing zerg got is fire power. If you ever fight 1 to 2 ratio you would not question what trouble magnet should be. I'm not even talking about 1 to 5 odds. Obviously you have no experience with this.

Do you have any idea what guild I'm from?

Yes. I've fought against 5 or 6:1 odds more times than I can count. And yes, I've won a significant portion of those.

[Greywind]

Good job proving your stupidity to anyone who was left with a shadow of a doubt.

See the first part of your post where you refer to a skilled opponent not biting on the bait? Yeah... that's exactly what I was fucking saying you tool. That's the entire point of not rolling a meatshield to increase your survivability. If I roll up as a healer channy I'm going to be a second-tier target right off the bat behind only priests and possibly prelates. Couple that with the fact that my opponent knows full well who I am, what toon I'm on, and that I'm most likely running the bane and I just got bumped right to the head of the line in 98% of all fights meaning my status as a hot-target and bait still works perfectly.

If I were rolling around on a minotard beefcake I would be at the bottom of the target hierarchy and even if they know who I am and whatnot it still won't put me ahead of ANY healer. Guess what that means, the strategy won't fucking work.

It's not rocket science kid, jesus.



Do you have any idea what guild I'm from?

Yes. I've fought against 5 or 6:1 odds more times than I can count. And yes, I've won a significant portion of those.

So what are you saying is .....
That "smart" opponent will bite the bait if you give them a appearance of "soft" target............rrrright. Even if they know the name of the game they know you are bait they still will go after you "in 98% of all fights " rrrrrrrrright....
And you call them smart?
Rrrrrrrrrrrrright.....
"in 98% of all fights " Huh!
:D
How many times are you fighting same opponent?
In my experience we rarely have only one fight with opponent. As rule if you have a problem with other nation or guild it a number of battles.
So you mean your "smart" opponent bite the bait again and again..."in 98% of all fights " Smart. Heh. very smart.
So "in 98% of all fights " you are working as hot target.. sound to me as key tactic. "works perfectly" heh.

[quote=HoE-Drenath;771743] Do you have any idea what guild I'm from?[quote]
No.
Not really.
I think I remember HoE from Chaos server not because of reputation but simply you (HoE) had a town near traveler rune spawn. I think I pked a few of your people and they shit talk a lot. I may be mistaken but that's the best I can do.

With this I'm done with this thread and with HoE-Drenath. IMHO he is just fake and phony.

[HoE-Drenath]

So what are you saying is .....
That "smart" opponent will bite the bait if you give them a appearance of "soft" target............rrrright. Even if they know the name of the game they know you are bait they still will go after you "in 98% of all fights " rrrrrrrrright....
And you call them smart?
Rrrrrrrrrrrrright.....
"in 98% of all fights " Huh!
:DI'm legitimately wondering if you've ever played shadowbane.

It's not a matter of "oh well, drenath's the bait, we can't attack him!" because if I'm playing a priest and my opponent doesn't attack me to avoid "taking the bait" then I could run an elf priest in a meat group right into an opponent's stack as long as I've got healers with single-target heals ready to drop on me. Not that I'd need them because we're fighting someone smart and they just let me heal the balls off my group of 8k hp heavy armor wearing warriors... right?

I mean... that's what you would do, right? Being smart and all...

How many times are you fighting same opponent?
In my experience we rarely have only one fight with opponent. As rule if you have a problem with other nation or guild it a number of battles.
So you mean your "smart" opponent bite the bait again and again..."in 98% of all fights " Smart. Heh. very smart.
So "in 98% of all fights " you are working as hot target.. sound to me as key tactic. "works perfectly" heh.Carrying on bane wars with multiple nations across various servers means fighting a lot of the same people repeatedly.

I've fought KGB, Dissent, LOD, CS, WMD, FTW, etc... at more banes, mines, rolling, etc... than I can count over the nearly four years that I played sb.

KGB is probably the only one of those I'd qualify as genuinely bad opponents, the rest have varying degrees of pvp-skill several of which are at the top of the food-chain when it comes to pvp. They all still attack Click, me, selena, temp, wukka, etc... because they know our names better than everyone else and because of the increased likelihood that we'll be the ones leading the group/bane.


No.
Not really.
I think I remember HoE from Chaos server not because of reputation but simply you (HoE) had a town near traveler rune spawn. I think I pked a few of your people and they shit talk a lot. I may be mistaken but that's the best I can do.I'm not sure how you managed to see HoE on Chaos because Carnage was the 1st gen server on which HoE was formed.

With this I'm done with this thread and with HoE-Drenath. IMHO he is just fake and phony.Translation: I'm gonna try and run away from this thread before I'm made to look like any more of a dumbass than I already have been.

Bye Bye Greywind, it was fun while it lasted. It would have been nice if you'd actually had any fucking clue what you're talking about but oh well, I couldn't really ask much more I suppose.

[Protonix]

Is this english?

No tags will come in handy for stealth-shit but I'll miss the days of sb when I stood out like a sore thumb for being a board-warrior. Sometimes it's fun to get mass-targeted because everyone you fight auto-targets you above all else so they can get the killshot on a "famous" person. Proto knows what I'm talking about, as do maybe a handful of others from sb.

/tar proto

Man I'm going to miss /tar proto hotkeys.

Word of advise for board warriors...
Roll Heavy tank with shield and a lot of resist. Make friends with healers.

ehhh, unless your name is Skorpion, being the target caller with a melee toon in a bane wasn't the best idea, imo.

I never understood why people target Proto... If your going to target a name like that at least get the likely field commander.

I'll miss SB tags, but as long as there is someway to display your guild's colors/tags/w/e I'll be happy.

Hey c'mon now, I called targets when other folks were dead or not on! I actually did pretty good, but there were others more adept and definitely should've been targeted first.

[LanMandragon]

Im a relative noob to SB, thanks to TCO, proto and drenath for snagging me from the Darkfall forums and I call Bullshit on Greywind.

Rofl 2-1 odds as a deciding factor?

Shit on Brialla 2-1 odds were GOOD odds. Many of the SB guilds LIKE 2-1 odds.
You obviously are either blowing smoke or trolling.

BTW I have to admit, I have /tar Proto before. First time I ever saw you I was like awww fuck it, im going for him.

[Greywind]

Same nerve...
I though this moron would have a same sense of shame and shut up but no...

For benefit of people who never play Shadowbane (or for scrubs who play it but dont know it)

Here how is bait work ....
#1. Meatball. You put trouble magnet in front for all to see and stupid zerg will attack him with all they got but because it has 8k health chances are a few healers will keep him life. If he is a Mino ( can't be stun) he also can run to the back of formation and drag stupid zerg though AoE hell.

If you put elf priest in front he will die in second. Because he will be stunned and shadow mantle, resist de-buffed, defense de-buff and you can't keep alive elf with 1.8k health. Stupid zerg or not elf priest with all his super defense can't survive long enough.
Mino beefcake does not have much of defense anyway but 8k health and immunity to stun give him a good chance to serve his purpose.

#2 You put a bait like healer/target caller/board troll (yam yam) in back line of defense. Stupid zerg will follow him around battle field but he will be able to survive because he will keep distance from de-buffer/stunners.

None of this works with smart enemy. If you on your elf priest lead heavy into enemy lines they will use an opportunity. But they will not run after you into back line of your defense.

See difference? They won’t go after you though the hell of cross fire but if you brink your stupid hide in range for sure kill..... hell yes!

Of course they first remove all your buffs, stun you, de-buff defense, de-buff resist (it sound long but in reality its fast and easy if target came to you) and then your elf will die in matter of seconds.

Dont tell me that your 2200 defense will help you because it will not.
You will be de-buffed and deal with in precise stance.

Now... people who dont play SB or scrubs dont know that elf-priest is one of the highest defense classes in SB. When we are talking about elf priest it means only one type of build - bladewaver/shield/high dex/high sword skills = super defense and shitty healing. Shadowbane is pretty much balanced in this way. You have good defense but for expense of healing power.
High defense elf priest is darn good template and nothing to joke about. Even with low health it can be deadly and survive hell but.... not as trouble magnet in first line. Even with stupid not organized zerg chances are somebody will de-buff him and stun him. Chances are multiple stackable de-buff.

One thing... that moron said...
"The only non-glass class I played extensively since I hooked up with HoE 3 years ago was a scout."
Is elf-priest glass cannon? Well in your hands ...
"let me heal the balls"
Why not? You dont have much of the balls.... ops of healing power.

That's too funny to let it go without answer.

[HoE-Drenath]

Thanks for illustrating your idiocy better than anyone else ever could.

There is never only one viable build in sb. high-def elf priests are a thing of the past that were never successful as anything more than novelty item beyond the first gen servers when everyone was a total and utter noob. I was referring to a bane priest (from the sheer lack of knowledge you have of the game it sounds to me like you've done very little baning, or any pvp, in sb). Which is a glass-cannon healer. They're amazingly strong in stack and wall fights, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that concept, it's a little too complex apparently.

Your "understanding" of how pvp in sb works is laughable at best and shames the entire sb community that will be playing DF by making everyone that played the game sound like a bunch of retarded little kids that can't grasp seemingly elementary concepts in bane warfare and gvg.

Here's a tip, when you say you're done with a thread and try to claim that you don't care anymore, don't come back and write a long post in the same thread shortly thereafter. It kind of has this tendency of flashing "I'm a dumbass that doesn't mean anything he says" in huge neon block letters.

[Greywind]

Thanks for illustrating your idiocy better than anyone else ever could.

There is never only one viable build in sb. high-def elf priests are a thing of the past that were never successful as anything more than novelty item beyond the first gen servers when everyone was a total and utter noob. I was referring to a bane priest (from the sheer lack of knowledge you have of the game it sounds to me like you've done very little baning, or any pvp, in sb). Which is a glass-cannon healer. They're amazingly strong in stack and wall fights, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that concept, it's a little too complex apparently.

Your "understanding" of how pvp in sb works is laughable at best and shames the entire sb community that will be playing DF by making everyone that played the game sound like a bunch of retarded little kids that can't grasp seemingly elementary concepts in bane warfare and gvg.

Here's a tip, when you say you're done with a thread and try to claim that you don't care anymore, don't come back and write a long post in the same thread shortly thereafter. It kind of has this tendency of flashing "I'm a dumbass that doesn't mean anything he says" in huge neon block letters.
Let me see ... so you gave a heaver spec elf. OK..
You are an idiot.
You are a winner of triple moron crown.
Here I give you a befefit of a doubt I though that you have high defense elf priest but ...

No wander I have not heard about you scrab guild.
I played SB in it hight. Everyone from Death and Chaos server knows WN. Everyone from Corruption knows LoC.
You fought LoD and Dissent? Do they know you? But they do know WN and LoC. You can be sure of that.

[HoE-Drenath]

Let me see ... so you gave a heaver spec elf. OK..
You are an idiot.
You are a winner of triple moron crown.
Here I give you a befefit of a doubt I though that you have high defense elf priest but ...What in god's name is a "heaver spec elf"?

And just so you know, def priests blow more dick than you do. They were effective, as I said, on 1st gen servers when everyone was a total fucking noob and didn't know what to do. Defense is utterly worthless and has been for quite some time now so by rolling a def priest you end up with an elf that can't out heal a noob. Yeah man, that sure sounds like a quality build. :lmao:

No wander I have not heard about you scrab guild.
I played SB in it hight. Everyone from Death and Chaos server knows WN. Everyone from Corruption knows LoC.
You fought LoD and Dissent? Do they know you? But they do know WN and LoC. You can be sure of that.What is a "scrab guild"?

I played Death from gold till it was shut down. I moved to veng at that point and kept playing sb. By your lack of knowledge of the game it seems as though you quit when Death went offline.

Yes, LoD and Dissent know very well who I am and who HoE is.

[Greywind]

What in god's name is a "heaver spec elf"?

And just so you know, def priests blow more dick than you do. They were effective, as I said, on 1st gen servers when everyone was a total fucking noob and didn't know what to do. Defense is utterly worthless and has been for quite some time now so by rolling a def priest you end up with an elf that can't out heal a noob. Yeah man, that sure sounds like a quality build. :lmao:

There is one more template that blow even more - elf priest healers.
They can heal due to high int but they can't survive! They die when somebody look at them!

:lmao:
Put 100 healer on such glass cannon it does not matter. Buff him, keep HoTs on him... does not matter. As soon as he in range of nukers or archers... he die.
Look at SB forum... Cent healers, dwarf healers, even human .... but no elfs.
You are not a bait. You just dead meat.
:lmao:
I mean my idea of trouble magnet - beefcake with resist/con gear is extreme on survival end but elf priest with low defense is also extreme.
It's not bait it's suicide!
:lmao:
I mean I can understand additional "bait appeal" to keep enemy interested in targeting you. So you give additional motive to hunt you down.
You roll healer. Sure it pick up additional interest. And you drop all defenses but healing.... Suicide.

One more thing.
I could run an elf priest in a meat group right into an opponent's stack as long as I've got healers with single-target heals ready to drop on me.
Anyone who heal glass cannons knows ... single heals are useless.
Glass cannon going down after 2-3 hits (even one shot). You just can't drop single heal fast enough. Only A few HoT can help to survive a bit longer.

Healer elf ..... as trouble magnet ROFL

[HoE-Drenath]

You must really like knowing everyone thinks you're a fool.

Your unwillingness to accept that some templates may be new to you. That there are occasionally, things you haven't ever seen before and, surprise, not all of them suck!

You need to learn how to accept the fact that you're far behind the times when it comes to pvp.

[Greywind]

You must really like knowing everyone thinks you're a fool.

Your unwillingness to accept that some templates may be new to you. That there are occasionally, things you haven't ever seen before and, surprise, not all of them suck!

You need to learn how to accept the fact that you're far behind the times when it comes to pvp.
Everyone here knows that you are moron and full of sht but I see you learn to ignore this fact.
Elf healer template is nothing new and I also check SB forums. Same thing.
Elf has the best healing potential and the worse durrability.
Same thing about glass cannon. Can't heal them. Specially with single heals. 2-3 hits at same time and glass is broken. Specially elf.

Many things change sinse I left SB but same stay same. Glass cannon is still glass cannon. Elf still has lowest con of all healer races.

But by all means .. share with us how in hell you stay alive? At this point you said you surive because of single heals from other healers.
Has SB lag improve that much that you can react with single heal when your elf hit with 2-3 hits from 2-3 different players almost at same time?
I dont think so.

[Jangang]

You'll be able to inspect people and get all the vital info, including guild affiliation. Though they may have disguise skills if you want to try and go under the radar for a few hours.

[HoE-Drenath]

At this point you said you surive because of single heals from other healers.It was a hypothetical situation to illustrate the idiocy of your claim you tard.

But yes, for people with any modicum of skill, and in specific scenarios, elf priests are very effective healers. I can't decide if you're just too dumb to understand how or just unwilling to accept that the game changed in the 3 years you didn't play.

[Malevolent]

Ok, I gotta comment on why targeting Protonix has tactical value..

Well, ok, there is no tactical value whatsoever in targeting Proto, but surely some people think hes a dick from the forums so theres some motivation right there. =p

On the flip side, I am sure there are some nooblets who have heard him self promote enough that they actually believe he is the shit, therefore an important target =p

My favorite bane leading/target calling toon was Def-Lock.

[Greywind]

It was a hypothetical situation to illustrate the idiocy of your claim you tard.
It was only situation.
And only thing you illustrated is your very own stupidity.

But yes, for people with any modicum of skill, and in specific scenarios, elf priests are very effective healers. I can't decide if you're just too dumb to understand how or just unwilling to accept that the game changed in the 3 years you didn't play.
I never question healing power of elf priest.
Elf has the best healing potential and the worse durability.
Question is how in hell you survive. See?
For example... Cent healers survive by superior speed, dwarf may have huge con boost and can take a hit. Elf priest could have superior defense but that's not your template. So how do you survive?
So far you came up only with "healers standing by and ready to drop single heals" ye rrrrrrrrrrrrright.
But fear not ... I see sign of improvement. It's look like you start to understand how idiotic you sound "healers standing by and ready to drop single heals" ROFL. What a moron.

[Ubon]

I think they should have info on someone cause they might no what guild ur in and u wont no what guild they in then thye assasinate U:D

I'm flaming you. If you would be so sincere and go cry over in /that/ corner you would make me a very happy man.

[elmtf1r3]

there should definetly be like a tag for there clan above there head or something cause if someone kills be im obviously gonna want revenge. So they should put clan tags that way you can attack or they can just put the name and you can get revenge on them but they have to have someway of identifying the person or its just gonna suck when you die.:sly:

[Maximuz]

There had better not be /target....or keyclone 4tw

[Asbestos]

why would you want clan tags? i say hell no... why? because it will be FUN to murder everyone you see and then find out you're the only one left to fight the opposing army which consists of some 150 people 50 of which are injured besides... don't you think it would be funny just to skewer a few of your own team for the heck of it?

[Taroth]

I think that somehow people should be able to surefire determine what clan someone is in. Otherwise thiefs/assasins would of course be OP.

[KillSwitch]

I like the idea of knowing what clan a player belongs to. without the bulky tags. Abrevs arent to bad. but the click interface option sounds neat

[HoE-Drenath]

So far you came up only with "healers standing by and ready to drop single heals" ye rrrrrrrrrrrrright.
But fear not ... I see sign of improvement. It's look like you start to understand how idiotic you sound "healers standing by and ready to drop single heals" ROFL. What a moron.

What part of the phrase "hypothetical situation" is too complex for your tiny brain to comprehend?

Single heals have a longer range than group heals and hots don't stack, all of which are reasons why I was pointing out a situation in which, by the logic you had been espousing to that point, a glass cannon healer could be healed from a distance while healing a melee group charging a stack. The single heals are one of the most inefficient means of healing a priest has, yet again, the whole fucking point of the hypothetical situation because by your logic that's all the healing that would be needed to keep a squishy elf priest in the middle of an enemy stack alive so long as the opponent is smart and knows that priest is some form of bait.

Were you home schooled by Holrom?

[Asbestos]

it should be something simple like a sign painted on the chest of their armor or stitched into their cape... not a big thing above their head... i mean thats just gonna fall on them * tag falls on his head* "hey who the hell put that there!?"

[Septus]

Nothing sadder than discussing PvP strategies on a forum :/

edit: oh wait, ARGUING pvp strategies wins for that award.

[Greywind]

by your logic that's all the healing that would be needed to keep a squishy elf priest in the middle of an enemy stack alive so long as the opponent is smart and knows that priest is some form of bait.

That's your "logic" not mine.

By my logic smart enemy will not go after you into trap but if you take your
"squishy elf priest in the middle of an enemy stack" sure they will take you on.
Smart enemy will go after targets of opportunity not after trouble magnets but it does not mean that trouble magnet got complete immunity and can do whatever he wants.

That's your "logic" sht for brain - If enemy suspect trap they just let you to do whatever you want with impunity. Ye right. Obviously you never fought anyone good or you just fake.

[Harmar]

I always found CS to be a good battle. They mopped the zerg up that's for sure. Too bad WMD spanked them like red headed step children

[HoE-Drenath]

That's your "logic" not mine.

By my logic smart enemy will not go after you into trap but if you take your
"squishy elf priest in the middle of an enemy stack" sure they will take you on.
Smart enemy will go after targets of opportunity not after trouble magnets but it does not mean that trouble magnet got complete immunity and can do whatever he wants.

That's your "logic" sht for brain - If enemy suspect trap they just let you to do whatever you want with impunity. Ye right. Obviously you never fought anyone good or you just fake.Look, I'll say it one more time for you and then I'm just going to give up because you're obviously never going to grasp this if you don't now.

You.

Were.

The.

One.

Espousing.

That.

Logic.

Not.

Me.

I simply pointed out just how retardedly flawed your argument was and as soon as I did so you tried to conflate the point by making it far more complicated than it was and then, when that didn't work, you attempted to deflect the idiocy onto me rather than yourself.

Not only has your logic, throughout the entire thread, been utterly asinine and devoid of any intelligent, rational discourse but then you couldn't even manage to make a passable attempt at confusing or deflecting the point despite being given numerous opportunities do so.

You are bad at communication, bad at spin, and by the looks of it, downright horrible at shadowbane.

[Greywind]

Here is my logic ....
#1. "trouble magnet" is simple but effective tactic against zerg.
#2. Since zerg = huge fire power "trouble magnet" must have means to survive. Therefore Huge Mino with shield/resist and con gear - The best possible template.
#3 "trouble magnet" is not valid tactics against smart guilds. To quote myself... "They wont go after you out of spite"
#4 In Shadowbane you are fighting war aka many battles against same opponent. So if you have smart opponent they will know who you are and what your template is by second fight.

Here is your "logic":
#1 I'm great and mighty and the best ever therefore I roll toilet paper healer so even smart opponent will go after me. If they dont go after me so much better I'll be able to do whatever I want with impunity. I survive because of single target heals and by know what my guild able to do. My trouble magnet status working 99.!% against any opponent.

You are troll and moron. I can't imagine guild like Dissent biting bait or fail to kill target of opportunity. You are cheap liar and idiot. I doubt you will be able to survive a few weeks in DF that if you dare to show your name and tag.

[Zealed]

Yeah.

While you two shouting at each other is fascinating as all...

Personally, I really hope there's a way to hide critical information through skills. The effectiveness of black ops work is pretty limited when the target can get back up in a few seconds and do a quick /who to learn everything about who just killed him.

[Macc]

Ye right. Obviously you never fought anyone good or you just fake.


Hey Greywind,

WMD fought HOE on numerous basis and as guild eveyone knows our reputation. I think you should be carefull with your words here friend, by saying that all the guilds who fought HOE are crap you're gona get flamed all to hell and stomped to the ground. HOE may not be the type of guild to go after you in game for what you just said, but me and my buddies are not as forgiving as Dreaneth and the rest of HOE is.

Listen to me noobcake, if you mention WMD again in a negative manner whether it be direct or indirect I will personally skull fuck your entire guild.

Do we understand each other?

[Greywind]

Hey Greywind,

WMD fought HOE on numerous basis and as guild eveyone knows our reputation. I think you should be carefull with your words here friend, by saying that all the guilds who fought HOE are crap you're gona get flamed all to hell and stomped to the ground. HOE may not be the type of guild to go after you in game for what you just said, but me and my buddies are not as forgiving as Dreaneth and the rest of HOE is.

Listen to me noobcake, if you mention WMD again in a negative manner whether it be direct or indirect I will personally skull fuck your entire guild.

Do we understand each other?

What WMD (is it weapon of mass destruction?) has to do with flame fest between me and HoE-Drenath?
Now to quote myself:
"Obviously you never fought anyone good OR you just fake."
Or one guild that I name Dissent:
"I can't imagine guild like Dissent biting bait or fail to kill target of opportunity."

Now....There was not a single town on corruption that was bane as many times as our capital. Guess what? It was a last town standing.
Now I know WMD from Death server I fought against you and along side with you. I respect this guild (if that's same guild from Death) but I dont fear you. About noodcake and "fuck your entire guild".... I heard this threats before. Cool down man. Sit down and think hard about LoD keep. Better and bigger guild than yours broke teeth on LoC.
"if you mention WMD again in a negative manner"...
Well it depends on answer....
You said that you fought HoE.... question ... Did you bait on his "trouble magnet"? Did he beat you in battle?

[Macc]

What WMD (is it weapon of mass destruction?) has to do with flame fest between me and HoE-Drenath?

Drenath mentioned us and LOD, but that's not the point the point here is that after he did you made a snotty comment about the guilds he fought.
This concearns me since I am WMD, argue with Dreaneth all you like but don't act high and mighty as if somehow you or your guild stacks up to us.


Now I know WMD from Death server I fought against you and along side with you. I respect this guild (Yes that's us WMD)

Well then if you respect us then not get off, I personally don't care if the two of you kill each other over this thread. Just be mindfull about the things you say, if you played with or against WMD then you of all people should know what were capable off..... we don't like being dissed on Forumfall.

About noodcake and "fuck your entire guild".... I heard this threats before. Cool down man. Sit down and think hard about LoD keep. Better and bigger guild than yours broke teeth on LoC.

lol WMD was never responsible for loosing LOD Keep, if you got a problem with the defence capabilities of that city talk to it's designers. As for better guilds then us on LoC, let them get in line we already met our quota of fanboys. If they want a piece of us they will know where to find us.


"if you mention WMD again in a negative manner"...
Well it depends on answer....
You said that you fought HoE.... question ... Did you bait on his "trouble magnet"? Did he beat you in battle?

lol I never personally talked to Dreaneth, he's a blue dot to me and I refuse to talk to blue dots.

[LanMandragon]

Listen to me noobcake, if you mention WMD again in a negative manner whether it be direct or indirect I will personally skull fuck your entire guild.

Do we understand each other?

ROFL.

[Greywind]

Drenath mentioned us and LOD, but that's not the point the point here is that after he did you made a snotty comment about the guilds he fought.
Then you basically invent problem....
I clearly state "ether he did not fight good guild OR he is fake" Obviously you can see that I think he is fake.

Other thing... Does name WN ring bell? WN is part of LoC. I hope that explains phrase about LoD keep

[Macc]

Then you basically invent problem....
I clearly state "ether he did not fight good guild OR he is fake" Obviously you can see that I think he is fake.

Ehhh ok if that's the case never mind then. :)

[Bigbone]

Damn who let Greywind out of his cage....Locks the door again....

I dont think it was Grey's intention to bash any guild but he does like to argue, it just takes him a little longer since his english isnt that great :) As far as LOC's stance we will pretty much be a blue dot guild going into DF.

Sorry for the derail, back to the original topic at hand IMO.

[Bigbone]

Hey Greywind,

Listen to me noobcake, if you mention WMD again in a negative manner whether it be direct or indirect I will personally skull fuck your entire guild.

Do we understand each other?

Who is Macc and exactly where did Grey mention WMD in a negative manner?

All I see in this arguement is Grey trying to say you want your battle leader in a capacity where he/she doesnt die fast so that they are not taken out of the role as the leader. Pretty basic logic, sure grey's english is a little hard to understand, but all in all, it is basic battle strategy.

As far as you having fun with our skulls, I am still laughing, and I will hope you have this understanding as well. While we have been somewhat allies in the past an attack on our guild will result in a firm beating as well.

[Marrik]

When you hover your mouse over someone, that info will display. But indeed, not floating names.

You can of course wear a certain set of clothes/armor to identify yourself as a member of a clan. Perhaps even a clan icon which shows up on a shield or so, but I'm not sure if thats in.

they said you can wear a guild tabard and have your guild crest on your shield

[Malevolent]

This thread is hilarious.

Its funny how important some people make themselves out to be because they were there when LoD keep fell. Just goes to show you how big of an accomplishment they thought that was.

Regardless, the only really memorable moment I have of LoC/WN was when me and one dwarf priest singlehandedly camped their city and we killed everyone who got near us, at one point holding off around 20 of the little shits till they finally zerged us out of the Barracks we were in.

Lol, good times.

[HoE-Drenath]

Regardless, the only really memorable moment I have of LoC/WN was when me and one dwarf priest singlehandedly camped their city and we killed everyone who got near us, at one point holding off around 20 of the little shits till they finally zerged us out of the Barracks we were in.

Lol, good times.And he calls me a fake. :lmao::lmao:

And yes, we beat WMD greywind, they allied up with lod and ftw on the lore server against us at 2 or 3 banes and we won all of them. Fun fights.

I played against WMD and LOD both on death and again on wrath (I think) and have played against Dissent on every server since veng. We aren't undefeated against any of them but we get a good fight and split the win/loss ratio pretty much 50/50 iirc.

Long and short of it: some of us find that being a hot target adds another level of fun to the game. We make it work and still maintain the same level of efficiency, if not higher, than conventional wisdom says we should.

Sometimes thinking outside the box is a good thing.

[Rymdkejsaren]

Well it's simple, the whole point of Darkfall Online is that it's not cast in the mold of every other mmo out there. I would be surprised if the devs cave in and start adding floating nametags and instatravel because of some loud whiners (which is what happens in all other mmos). In the end, a game like this will make it on the market because it IS different, and it caters to a huge crowd of (mainly) older players who miss the days when you could kill someone and grab their stuff.

[Greywind]

This thread is hilarious.

Its funny how important some people make themselves out to be because they were there when LoD keep fell. Just goes to show you how big of an accomplishment they thought that was.

Regardless, the only really memorable moment I have of LoC/WN was when me and one dwarf priest singlehandedly camped their city and we killed everyone who got near us, at one point holding off around 20 of the little shits till they finally zerged us out of the Barracks we were in.

Lol, good times.
I dont know what are you talking about. I highly doubt if you ever been able to camp our tree like this unless it was when we just move on death and have not had high level tunes but I doubt it ever happen and we did not have LoC at that time.
We did not just happen to be when LoD keep fell. DrVoodoo lead this event.
And LoD them selfs credit us.

And he calls me a fake. :lmao::lmao:


And yes, we beat WMD greywind, they allied up with lod and ftw on the lore server against us at 2 or 3 banes and we won all of them. Fun fights.

I played against WMD and LOD both on death and again on wrath (I think) and have played against Dissent on every server since veng. We aren't undefeated against any of them but we get a good fight and split the win/loss ratio pretty much 50/50 iirc.

Long and short of it: some of us find that being a hot target adds another level of fun to the game. We make it work and still maintain the same level of efficiency, if not higher, than conventional wisdom says we should.

Sometimes thinking outside the box is a good thing.
Specially outside sand box. Whatever... see you in DF.

[Linage]

It would be cool if they didnt show names, only if u hover your mouse over the guy, cause in other games I have tried many times to hide behinde a tree or a rock, but my name pokes out and they see it and knows where i am. No names visible would make it fun, and a great way to hide and wait for someone to come by to attack.

[Septus]

It would be cool if they didnt show names, only if u hover your mouse over the guy, cause in other games I have tried many times to hide behinde a tree or a rock, but my name pokes out and they see it and knows where i am. No names visible would make it fun, and a great way to hide and wait for someone to come by to attack.

I think Battlefield handles this the best... War based MMO's would do well to draw from war based FPS'es...

Basically, you see the environment. When you point over an object for long enough (maybe 1 second) you get some info.

So an assassin may be able to run & stealth by without being seen (just like spec. ops. running through enemy bases to blow up structures) but if some one notices movement, they'll try and point and focus to see if it was a friend or foe.

A lot of the time in BF2, people would straight up see you (or they must have, I was almost in plain sight if not a little far off) but they didn't chase me because they assumed I was a friendly in friendly territory.

[HoE-Drenath]

Specially outside sand box. Whatever... see you in DF.

Does someone approve your comebacks before you hit the "reply" button to make sure you maintain the same high level of stupidity we've all grown used to hearing from you or does it just happen by accident?

[Greywind]

Does someone approve your comebacks before you hit the "reply" button to make sure you maintain the same high level of stupidity we've all grown used to hearing from you or does it just happen by accident?
Prey to tell what so stupid about "sandbox" comeback? Not a greatest of course but appropriately simple so even moron like you can get it and better than anything you produce for sure.

[Unknewn]

I dont know what are you talking about. I highly doubt if you ever been able to camp our tree like this unless it was when we just move on death and have not had high level tunes but I doubt it ever happen and we did not have LoC at that time.
We did not just happen to be when LoD keep fell. DrVoodoo lead this event.
And LoD them selfs credit us.


Wonder why Warmonger LoD's #1 Shadowbane leader said GoD Won Shadowbane. And why the oldschool LoD members called GoD members to their homes and said congrats to us. You dont know jack shit about this war.

You were not there 10 hours befor the bane, you were not there every single fucking day for 14 days straight. The 10 accounts given to the Horde with the #1 bashers in game were not your creation and not given to LoC, those got nurfed couple days later, THAT was the key to the victory.

DrVoodoo and Sevok (DrV now) did their part in this, telling directions and such. But when fighting it was Daukk and GoD. Our name on the fucking LoD Keep, GoD.