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Suncross
11-17-2011, 02:21
Attacks against our 2nd amendment rights.



Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed “Fast and Furious,” a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn’t been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself.

But the state of modern journalism aside, this scandal is so inflammatory few realize that official records show the current director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), B. Todd Jones — yes the individual the Obama administration brought in to replace ATF Director Kenneth Melson Aug. 30 in an effort to deflect congressional criticism — also has questions to answer about his involvement in this gunrunning scandal.

Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren’t even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns “walk” across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

More here (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-president-obamas-watergate/). I'll go ahead and tell you that it's an older article before the date fairys come by.

It's a rather expansive article.

Jimmyhat
11-17-2011, 02:25
Our rights?

Shaehl
11-17-2011, 03:28
What does this have to do with Mitt or Facebook?

Nova88
11-17-2011, 03:40
What does this have to do with Mitt or Facebook?

Hes saying people pay attention to the stupid shit the media force feeds the public instead of the fact that we basically enabled and exacerbated murder and gang violence in mexico.

Forker
11-17-2011, 06:11
Hes saying people pay attention to the stupid shit the media force feeds the public instead of the fact that we basically enabled and exacerbated murder and gang violence in mexico.

surprised? most americans still have no idea bout iran contra, USA government are the biggest drug dealers in the world.

Makestro
11-17-2011, 07:00
surprised? most americans still have no idea bout iran contra, USA government are the biggest drug dealers in the world.

one of my friends in the marines told me a really funny story involving the afghanistan poppy farmers. Anyways, in an attempt to "stop" the heroin trade of afghanistan the military offered to buy bushels of poppies from farmers. So the first surge of people sold them their unharvested poppy plants but then they got smart, harvested their plants and then sold them to the military... lmfao. So the farmers that sold them their unharvested plants wanted got all pissed and yeah, what a major train wreck.

We're one of the biggest hypocritical countries in the world... It's really sad to be honest how far we've fallen.

Jimmyhat
11-17-2011, 07:03
You haven't really fallen from anywhere. It's just coming to light now.

Makestro
11-17-2011, 07:05
You haven't really fallen from anywhere. It's just coming to light now.

there was a time when the only blemish on our country's history was the fact we allowed slavery, now it's a handful of things.

Suncross
11-17-2011, 14:34
There are a lot of strange things that happened in history. *sighs* If only england left us alone, and let us develop for ourselves, maybe there would be several countries here now instead a huge empire turning socialist. There are many wars I wish we hadn't ever gotten into, namely WWI and II. I mean it's all in the past. We just have to get the younger generation (mine, and the ones to come) involved in history and politics. They need to drop their visionary views and just look at history, and make changes accordingly.

bongloads
11-17-2011, 14:37
I say wha...?? No way, our elected government has tried to pull of another shady dealing?

Surprised there hasn't been anyone yet to comment "It's not really happening, just because some credible people say that it is, and you believe them, you're a fucking retard."

edit: expect it soon, along with some lame MUD sig that nobody knows/cares about.

Bissen
11-17-2011, 15:53
surprised? most americans still have no idea bout iran contra, USA government are the biggest drug dealers in the world.

90% of the worlds heroin coming from Afghanistan. Nah.

Forker
11-17-2011, 18:49
90% of the worlds heroin coming from Afghanistan. Nah.

LOL which the US military controls. You think they don't have a hand in that as well?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/world/asia/21marja.html?hp=&pagewanted=1

US tax dollars are going to protection of the poppy fields in afghanistan. A quick wiki search shows us that everyone knows the 2 major routes the opium flows into europe. We know where it goes, and who's hands it goes through. Given the CIA's past and present role in the cocaine trade there is no doubt opium is also helping fund their foreign operations.