Status Update January 17, 2007

[Tasos]

Hello everyone, we hope you’re doing well. Today we have a small status update for you which we’ll follow up with more as needed.

The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly. At the moment we're using part of this system to show the game to prospective partners, distributors, publishers, technology providers, etc. Our motivation here is to provide the best quality assurance, distribution, and service for the game and its players, so we consider this to be a very important phase for Darkfall.

We've already planned for self-publishing, but we need to know who's willing and able to do it better. We can’t announce a clear ETA on the first phase of the public testing yet, but we'll keep you posted on developments.

In the meanwhile we're working overtime on balancing, optimizing, beautifying, adding content to the game etc. We've added some new features, and a few surprises that we weren't sure we'd be able to get in before launch.

We've also hired a few extra people to help in the final push, animators, worldbuilders, and sound engineers. There's a lot of work to be done in all these fields, and in applying the final polish on Darkfall.

Development-wise we’re grinding away, a lot of repetitive tasks, with little to report but you should know that everything is going well.

That’s it in broad strokes, now we’ll try to give you a little insight on our update inconsistencies so that you know where we’re coming from:

It's easy to imagine that 5 minutes is all it takes to make an update, a developer will pop online to say hi, or that we could just appoint someone from the community to generate updates. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works in a professional environment. There are clear guidelines, we're bound by NDAs, and all disclosure needs to be approved, as is the case with most development studios.

Often due to disclosure issues we’re forced to be vague, or talk around topics and this is sometimes mistaken for coyness, by those who wish to interpret it that way.

We get plenty of requests for publicity, most of them involve us having to create regular content, or answering interview questions we've answered a million times before. Answers to questions we haven't answered before are often in the realm of information we're not allowed to disclose.

As all our resources are put into game development, it's a stretch for us to de-prioritize in order to create Darkfall features and updates. Even so, taking a look at what other MMOs in development are doing, it seems that we've produced more substantial content than most, while giving the community an extensive and truthful look under the hood.


It’s important to remember that we're just game developers making a game, not trying to string anyone along, we're not looking for investors, we're not looking for pre-sales, there's no conspiracy, so we don't invest a lot of time in hyping Darkfall up, when we need to be in our perpetual development crunch. We firmly believe that the game speaks for itself.

Whenever we’ve dropped off the radar, it's because we were working hard, and not because some catastrophe had befallen Darkfall development. If we don’t update there’s nothing substantial to report, but we’ll try harder to communicate this and to stay in touch with the community.

We’ll follow up with some fresh updates within the next couple of weeks, and keep you posted on any developments as permitted.

Thanks for reading.

[Moosebish2]

Woohoo! Update!

The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly. At the moment we're using part of this system to show the game to prospective partners, distributors, publishers, technology providers, etc. Our motivation here is to provide the best quality assurance, distribution, and service for the game and its players, so we consider this to be a very important phase for Darkfall.

When I first signed on, I'll be honest, I wanted beta to come ASAP. Well, it's been a few months and I've come to realize that I don't care when it comes out, just as long as it coems out. I want darkfall to be the next best MMORPG stealing millions of players away from WoW. So, keep up the good work and I'll keep checking for updates.

[doma]

heey, Tasos posting. Why dont you wake up Claus man. Let him post some

[Crying Hyena]

Makes sense.

[crazyhorse]

thanks for the beta update. Keep chuggin along, we are all by your side!

[freeze_SD]

finally :D

thx :eek:

is that the "whole" january update?
no offense at all... just curios

[Maxim]

*cheer*

[Shads]

Great update, thanks for calming the spirits Tasos. Glad to hear everything is on track with game development, I'm pretty impatient (as well as a lot of other people) to see what these surprises you mentioned are going to be:ninja:.

As far as regular extensive updates are concerned, don't worry. There is a big majority of silent lurking Darkfallers out there whose favorite pass-time isn't yelling at the devs for updates. Don't pay attention to the angry trolls, and keep up the good work.

PS
Still, I'm sure you can manage a few screenshots of battle situations (even with interface windows hidden). A couple or so a week would make the people on these forums quite happy :D

[Maglubiyet]

Thanks for the update, been waiting for one to come.

Be nice to know some of the few surprises that you have fit into the game. Although im sure as you said those are things that fall under your NDA.

[freeze_SD]

PS
Still, I'm sure you can manage a few screenshots of battle situations (even with interface windows hidden). A couple or so a week would make the people on these forums quite happy :D

hehe, aye
you don't have to show us new things ^^
it's just that we can say "wow, that looks cool"
even if it's just another human in dragon armor ^^

[Lordi]

woot

[losinglife]

sweet and i was just about to hit the sack too

[Yuengling.OoB]

surprises = farming & animal breeding

[Mushukyou]

[FONT=Tahoma]Whenever we’ve dropped off the radar, it's because we were working hard, and not because some catastrophe had befallen Darkfall development. If we don’t update there’s nothing substantial to report, but we’ll try harder to communicate this and to stay in touch with the community.

We’ll follow up with some fresh updates within the next couple of weeks, and keep you posted on any developments as permitted.

Thanks for reading.

I'm sorry the kids have to whine. I hope you don't take it personally when they do. I'm sure you guys are doing a great job. I know your game is a bright light in the darkness, so I look forward to it big time.

You guys should get a MySpace account to help advertise the game.
It's free and works great.

[PaleOne]

But Tasos,

We don't need all that other crap :) we just need exactly what you gave us :) its like leaving a a bunch of messages on you "A friends" answering machine and not getting a call back. Just let us know your still alive :)

I don't need anymore features to be announced Im happy with the game as described :) Thank you again for taking the time to let us know things are procedding as planned :)

Ill be good for at least a week now :)

Pale

[lipe[cpc]]

My dreams = prophecies.

[Yuengling.OoB]

You guys should get a MySpace account to help advertise the game.
It's free and works great.

I would lose much respect if Darkfall was advertised thru MySpace.

[paade]

But Tasos,

We don't need all that other crap :) we just need exactly what you gave us :) its like leaving a a bunch of messages on you "A friends" answering machine and not getting a call back. Just let us know your still alive :)

I don't need anymore features to be announced Im happy with the game as described :) Thank you again for taking the time to let us know things are procedding as planned :)

Ill be good for at least a week now :)

Pale

well, thats really what i was going to say:)

I also dont need to get updates what we all already know about different features, just that the game is still alive and not going the same road as ToA. Alltho, few pics now and then wouldnt hurt.

[Marrock]

Thanks Tasos, appreciate the update!

[Ultimo]

Hey, good to know that steps are being taken towards a release. Keep up the good work devs, im rooting for u guys!

[Akaros]

It's nice to know the devs haven't keeled over and died on us. Seriously though, thanks for the update! Here's to hoping for beta!

[nigelnyc]

Not to be an asshole, but i appreciate the update...

but was that what you guys we're working so hard to do ?

I thought you guys were going to try harder for a better update...

Just not satisfied.

[Lorak]

Tasos,


Thanks for taking the time out to talk to us forum lepers.

It was a good update and I appriciate your honesty in where things are currently. Just kind of Sad that you guys aren't to a point where you can even nail down a quarter for beta though.

Thanks for the update, good luck with your continuing progress, and I look forward to hearing from you in the future. :D

[Lorth]

yey! Darkfall is on its way.
Know i think beta will get to me before i die :p

Keep on chooglin guys!

[Ammon777]

Tasos, you guys rock and you have my blessing. :)

[Maedhros]

Good stuff, thanks for the update.

[Malishan]

Sounds like progress!

[Memo McNeskire]

UPDATE!! WEEE :D

And please don't tell me about the surprises. I want to bee... well... surprised :)

[Jaevin]

[b]Soon.

[Darkmatter]

Thank you Tasos.

This update confirms that everything is progressing along nicely. I really enjoyed reading fresh words.

It does not however cut it when it comes to your lack of communication with us, the community. As a result of this, I'm sorry to say that I'll be cutting down my frequent visits to these boards. Blaming professionalism. When it comes to all those different sites and people asking the same questions; Why aren't you releasing a press-package, containing the faqs, and refer the press to that package of information on a site or dvd? That's a one-time effort to keep the third party sites off your back.

The lack of 5 minute bursts of communication can't be blamed by your NDA. Writing in a casual post here on the boards that everything is fine could have been done in those 5 minutes, at any moment of any day, without breaking your agreements.

[Enoch[LoR]]

:lmao: Yeah, this clearly isn't a response to IGN's article.

You can't even call this an update. "What? Oh, uh, yeah, we totally met the beta deadline. It's just, you guys can't play it. And we added other stuff to the game! Cool stuff. It's awesome, trust us. Also, that IGN article is totally wrong, which we're showing you with this rather drawn out 'update' containing things like 'we're working real hard' and 'we can't talk about stuff'. BETA SOON LOL"

[Villa]

Am I the only one who thought this update (once again) lacked any real information ?
I think it would have had the same effect if Tasos had instead just posted the script to a Battlestar Galactica episode... i.e. nothing was posted that we didn't already know, or anything releveant to Darkfall news.

:(

[Critseeker]

weaksauce. no video, no info, just talk.

[Bruce Leet]

Thanks for this update!

[Zalasahr]

TASOS THANKS THATS ARE NICE NEWS



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guys vids and Screens are atm not important
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[Metal Wolf]

Hopefully this means we'll be getting an exposition on the Alfar race soon.

[Suitepee]

Nice to confirm that the reason for the lack of visual eye-candy/other info is the fact you're working hard to make "the game speak for itself". Nothing else needs to be said.
We do our part by telling others about it,you do your part by making it. One day we'll both get what we want.

Until the beta...

[Lorak]

Hopefully this means we'll be getting an exposition on the Alfar race soon.


Not likely, he posted this to buy himself another month of no contact.

Tasos: "We

[Pylor]

We get plenty of requests for publicity, most of them involve us having to create regular content, or answering interview questions we've answered a million times before. Answers to questions we haven't answered before are often in the realm of information we're not allowed to disclose.

I guess the latter includes crafting, which would explain the lack of specific information on that subject and make it unlikely for new information to surface anytime soon.

[[AG]Salsabus]

That was a good & honest update. GJ

Keep it up!

DF STRONG!!1

[dark-M]

Horrible update!-as usual. Same old working hard, beta on its way (although beta build on servers is good news).


The NDA excuse is played over and over like a broken record. While i am sure we would like all the info no one would like you to break the NDA. You say beta build on remote servers-where are the servers located-how many people have you brought in recently exactly, what companies are you in talk with? Little things like that reasure the community that something is done. Dont be vague, just disclose some facts about the state of development.

[MrShine]

People cry when there aren't updates, and people cry when there ARE updates.

I like this post, it doesn't have screenies or anything, but it feels personal, and direct. Stop being so impatient everyone and just enjoy popping in every now and then. As Tasos said, they aren't stringing us along or anything, it isn't like we all need to buy monthly subscriptions to read the forums... they don't "owe" us anything at this point, they are just making a great game and we happen to be interested in it.

Why do we feel like we NEED to be told what is going on, and that we feel we NEED to be catered to? Let's just be happy that Darkfall is moving slowly yet surely. Beta WILL eventually come out, just be happy that they are putting so much time into it to make it great.

[Dronjak]

Good update! Keep up the hard work! :)

[rekker]

Wicked update! An in-depth explanation as to why the devs can't just do everything the community demands. Cheers for the post Tasos, looking forward to seeing more screenies/videos as you release them.

[Airius Droc]

Cool. :)

[Ethric]

Thanks for the update. You can go back to work now:)

Good luck getting it finished soon.

[nigelnyc]

Well, we're the ones following the game, giving it momentum..how don't we "NEED" a status update of what's going on.

[Veilroth]

It's going to be a looong year!

[nigelnyc]

Yeap and that sucks, because the thing is, they said they we're going to try harder for a January update...which they didnt.

Despite development push related mayhem, trying to juggle several tasks at the same time, and the holidays cutting in, we've made a feeble effort to maintain updates with some new screenshots from internal testing that we periodically upload in the gallery section, and the odd interview. We'll try harder in January.


its funny to me. Holiday's are way done, fellas.

And to me, it looks like they havent made ANY deadlines. Why do they even make deadlines anymore then ?

[Boxer]

Thanks for the update.

[SamDog]

Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly. At the moment we're using part of this system to show the game to prospective partners, distributors, publishers, technology providers, etc.


Think north america for the remote server, think steam for the distributor.

Yes, that is progress.

yours
SamDog

[dark-M]

Think north america for the remote server, think steam for the distributor.

Yes, that is progress.

yours
SamDog




and whats the reasoning behind this guess

[SSguy]

People cry when there aren't updates, and people cry when there ARE updates.

Because they are bad updates. Whe nwe cry for updates, we ask for information, not the stuff they said in the past.

This update was decent, its nice to know what stage of developement they are in.


Why do we feel like we NEED to be told what is going on, and that we feel we NEED to be catered to? Let's just be happy that Darkfall is moving slowly yet surely. Beta WILL eventually come out, just be happy that they are putting so much time into it to make it great.

I don't know...maybe because no one has a clue to what is going on? They have never given us any solid information or updated their faq to reflect the games features. They are near open beta, there is no reaso nto keep the entire game a secret anymore.
It would be nice to know how the crat system works, its not like we are asking for recipes.
It would be nice ot know how indepth banking goes, or maybe a guild tutorial. But no, all we are told is that they are awsome and indepth.

[TokFarlig]

Cheers!

[Saldisar]

Thanks for the update!
Keep up the good work, we are all looking forward to this, and we know it will be worth it.
Remember:
Ignore the naysayers.
Remember the supporters.
Ban the douchebags.

MUCH LOVE TO THE DEV'S!!!

[Helgeran]

there's no conspiracy

Dun dun dun!

[Preston]

Thanks for the update Tasos!

[Virtra]

Thanks Tasos, good to hear about the progress!

[Niccoli]

I think a lot of us realized that the main reasons for 'lack of updates' were what Tasos said. I really liked what we've heard in this one.

Thanks much Tasos.

[Cahl]

Thanks for the update Tasos.

I guess this means beta is .. soon? ^^

[MrZix]

Awesome update, i look for DF updates like everyday:D But was getting disapointed recently with the slow down, however this more than makes up for it. Got me grinning again about darkfall.

Oh just a quick Q if i may, is there any confirmation either way that Darkfall if published by yourselves or an external would be digital distribution, or a hard copy, as im rearly looking forward to collectors editions if theres a hard copy release.

[Niccoli]

[QUOTE=Jaevin;692025][b]Soon.

[Khumash-Gor]

=] bet it comes out tomorrow

[Niccoli]

surprises = farming & animal breeding

I was thinking of farming too...

Dare to dream.

Animal breeding would be a plus as well.

[Niccoli]

=] bet it comes out tomorrow

LOL, riiiiiight.

Course, I see your join date and I understand the trickery! :D

[Incon]

Big thanks for the update, Tasos. This kind of posting is what the community needs from time to time... there is just one little thing:


The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly.

Why?

[azog]

It getting close now... :D

Thank you for the update

[Nicolie]

When should I get my beta email?

[keeperofstars]

The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly. At the moment we're using part of this system to show the game to prospective partners, distributors, publishers, technology providers, etc. Our motivation here is to provide the best quality assurance, distribution, and service for the game and its players, so we consider this to be a very important phase for Darkfall.



Nice to see they have the game running in a consistant environment with a patcher in place and working. Sounds like the only thing they are trying to do now is see if they can find some company to play network whore for them, so they dont have to put claus in some basement making sure the servers stay at 20C.

Also nice to see they have the funding to do it themselves if they cant find someone to do it cheaper for them.

Once they get a few bids and sign a contract then a simple copy and paste to the production servers and poof beta comes.

Seems like the core development stage now is just spit shine the hell out of the game, while trying to setup all the hardware needed to support the game.

This is good information really good. If they can find a good host then they could have production up really soon.

Tasos thanks for the update, simple things like hey we found a host and are working to get the servers setup. Is all we need once every 2 weeks or so.

Or we didn't find a good host and are ordering the equipment we need to selfhost the game. More to come.

That is all we want to know now, nothing more or less.

A fun feature to add to the main site though would be the monster of the week, where we get a screenshot or artist rendition of a mob and thats it nothing more about the mob is needed, maybe what its called etc. If a bit of lore already exsists for the mob then great, or could do locations of Agoth.

Just a random screenshot from somewhere in the world no description or anything then we can all bicker for the rest of the week over where the shot was taken from. lol Add a contest to name that spot later on and poof instant media attention lol.

[Bigbone]

Thank you Tasos! I know you guys are game developers, but updates like this are necessary IMO for your game's success. It gives the community perspective and timelines to plan for the game and also gives them something to discuss on the forums and in there guilds as well.

I for one appreciate you taking the time to post and will be eagerly awaiting my invite to beta! Just dont expect me to be this nice in game :)

[clearascrys]

Keeperofstars, an interesting, plausible & uplifting interpretation of the update - I hope you're right! :D

Tasos, thanks so much for the update, I hope some prospective partners recognize this tremendous opportunity!

[Fylraen]

I think this is great news. All the clamoring for details will be moot when people finally get to play.

Best of luck finding appropriate partnerships! \O/ Hopefully somebody accommodating will come along soon.

[Ammon777]

Its a pretty good update.

Also, I hope the surprise is farming.

I think it would be fun to watch people plant crops.

Okey, maybe not.

[mlucas]

Thank you Tasos.

This update confirms that everything is progressing along nicely. I really enjoyed reading fresh words.

It does not however cut it when it comes to your lack of communication with us, the community. As a result of this, I'm sorry to say that I'll be cutting down my frequent visits to these boards. Blaming professionalism. When it comes to all those different sites and people asking the same questions; Why aren't you releasing a press-package, containing the faqs, and refer the press to that package of information on a site or dvd? That's a one-time effort to keep the third party sites off your back.

The lack of 5 minute bursts of communication can't be blamed by your NDA. Writing in a casual post here on the boards that everything is fine could have been done in those 5 minutes, at any moment of any day, without breaking your agreements.

I do also want to thank you for at least posting something but I have to agree with the above statment.

[Stormsblade]

Gimme beta? ^.^

[Yuengling.OoB]

I was thinking of farming too...

Dare to dream.

Animal breeding would be a plus as well.

I was only joking, I know how dissapointed some people were when they heard farming wasn't going to make the final cut, but I really hope the surprise is more like "Alfar will get sithras, cave spiders, and stat debuffs during the day."

[killerspoon]

Hopefully somebody accommodating will come along soon.

You mean like electronic arts?

[Centinel]

You mean like electronic arts?

I must admit, EA has cleaned up their act recently. They're publishing good games these days.

[KingKtulu]

Id expect some new magazine articles and videos to pop up soon....

PS. Self publish > paying out the nose for the game itself.

Whats the expected purchase price?

[Fylraen]

You mean like electronic arts?

Haha, no.

Like someone who will put the game up without trying to grab creative control.

[Celerity]

I'm glad to hear things are going well behind the scenes. From what I've seen and heard, I agree, the game will speak for itself. Things have come a long way in the last year, and you should all be proud. Keep it up!

[doma]

I must admit, EA has cleaned up their act recently. They're publishing good games these days.

only spore. And thats just because EA is paying Will Wright in weed.
CnC3 lost the day COH got released.

[Yuengling.OoB]

Haha, no.

Like someone who will put the game up without trying to grab creative control.

Yeah, I don't want to have to pay $2.95 to "unlock" the "Dual Wield" skill.

[Shujinko]

just stay the hell away from sony.

anyway, great update. i already spammed the WoW forums, its only a matter of time before im banned, lol. dosent matter, my account runs out the 22nd. canceled it weeks ago.

go go darkfall!

[Always_PEPSI]

This post quenches my thirst.

4.5/5!

[LanMandragon]

Thanks for the post Tasos.

To me this seems honest, although to little of any concrete information. Although I have faith, as do many, this will do nothing to quench the calls of vaporware.

Stable beta client?

Thats good. I would like to test it, as would others.

[Xopak]

Thanks a lot Tasos! :) This is exactly what people needed to cheer up I reckon ^^


( hint: Don't team up with EA games <.< )

[Shiva-PIC]

Awsome Update, it made me smile :)

[r4nge]

All I want is 30 screenshots per second as an update, which would give me a decent framerate.

[UtbildadNinja]

*Hugs*
Thx for the update Tasos! Keep up the good work, all of you! :D

[Mhorham]

That first paragraph speaks volumes. Thank you for being open about this.

If you decide to go with a publisher I hope it is one that lets the game stay true to the original vision of Darkfall. And if you decide to self publish I would have no problem buying this game directly from the development studio. I can only imagine that Aventurine would have to grow dramatically to accomplish everything own its own with all the customer service crap and billing. Probably not the kind of business game creators dream of running :D

[Blackie_Chan]

A status that all is well and you are not tanking like every other MMO for PvP out there is good enough for me.

Hell put it in bullets if you want, we don't need much. We are the same PvP slobbering bastards that just want to know our precious is still there.

[TerrorDome]

I, and im sure along with many others who are here just waiting for beta without a peep, just want to express my gratitude for your straight shooting without any hype or gloss.

[Osirus]

kudos.

that's great pr right there.

have a good one.

[keeperofstars]

I think the devs should pick us for publishing the game. :)

All it would take is one person to get the client and poof all of us would have it.

Some of us would setup ftp sites others bit torrents, and a few others would pass it through messengers lol.

Then just setup an online store to purchase the cd key from. Talk about max profit :)

Now granted I doubt we would be able to put a ugly fat human with green eyes on a poster at Wal-mart that says New game release in big print eventhough its just an expansion. but hey who wants to copy WoW? lol

And besides Walmart will probably say the game is too violent and mature and put a block on it. lol

[Darkwars]

ty:)

[Mobed]

I would still love to know if the first round of beta invites will be clan only(lame)?

[Vasq]

Awesome! cant wait :)



I want darkfall to be the next best MMORPG stealing millions of players away from WoW.

No, please let this game have its own audience, not fourteen yearolds playing on their moms creditcards.

[Angry-Khan]

What a marvelous update, thank you tasos.

[alfaroverall]

This is far better than most of the previous updates. We now know what the current holdup is and that if the devs wanted to, they could release beta right now. They just don't want to do that. Not to mention the comment on the lack of updates. /applaud.

[pronkyou2]

It's easy to imagine that 5 minutes is all it takes to make an update, a developer will pop online to say hi, or that we could just appoint someone from the community to generate updates. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works in a professional environment. There are clear guidelines, we're bound by NDAs, and all disclosure needs to be approved, as is the case with most development studios.

Good enough reasoning, considering its contractual that they can't release something to the public before deciding it as a group, which can take a couple hours.

Hehe... OOOhehehhe... OOoh yeah....:ninja:

Excitement before = 5

Update excitement modifier = 10

Excitement after = Min(before+update, 10)

print after

Output: 10

pseudocode wins.

[Ezion]

Out of every update I've ever seen, the 2nd paragraph makes me the most excited. Assuming that it's not blown out of proportion.

The "open beta" in '03, '02, or whenever it was was postponed for fairly obvious reasons. The whole studio was moved to somewhere else, and a much smallerscale project had it's scope bumped up several notches.

However, there should be no excuse to miss your beta dates this time. The scope of the game is already the size of Asia.

We're counting on you. :ninja:

[pronkyou2]

Awesome! cant wait :)



No, please let this game have its own audience, not fourteen yearolds playing on their moms creditcards.
Why not? Mods and devs would just tell them to shut up or give up. They'd leave like weaklings from a zerg guild condensing into an effective nation. What would be left over is the kind of people who were ready for something bigger than WoW.

[LanMandragon]

This is far better than most of the previous updates. We now know what the current holdup is and that if the devs wanted to, they could release beta right now. They just don't want to do that. Not to mention the comment on the lack of updates. /applaud.

Although the update is substantially better then previous ones I am still concerned.

1. A status update, much like Henning did on art, except for each thing.
2. A date. What are we gonna be waiting another year, another two years?
If so, it woudl be nice to know.
3. Some actual evidence, ie a video.

[Lorak]

Although the update is substantially better then previous ones I am still concerned.

1. A status update, much like Henning did on art, except for each thing.
2. A date. What are we gonna be waiting another year, another two years?
If so, it woudl be nice to know.
3. Some actual evidence, ie a video.

Agreed, I think what bothers me the most is the total lack of any time table.

I'm not looking for a "date". But if they have a working beta client, you would think they would have some idea of what quarter they would be shooting for to even begin a beta test.

It appears that they are trying thier best not to have to take on the financial burden of hosting a MMO. So until they work out a deal with someone like SOE, NCSoft, ect, for hosting rights. We won't get any kind of time frame.

I am also worried that they have not been able to do any kind of network test. Dragon Empires was coming along great, until they entered beta and found that the network code they had would nopt handle the users for a MMO. So A very promising MMO was just cancelled. (and that one was already in beta).

I'm just concerned how much can be tested with a dev team of 30 or so people.

Just ranting I guess. I apprciate Tasos posting and telling us what is up. But it just doesn't leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling. Escpecially the inconsistancy of "game client is done", and later " we hired some devs to help finish"

[LanMandragon]

Agreed, I think what bothers me the most is the total lack of any time table.

I'm not looking for a "date". But if they have a working beta client, you would think they would have some idea of what quarter they would be shooting for to even begin a beta test.

It appears that they are trying thier best not to have to take on the financial burden of hosting a MMO. So until they work out a deal with someone like SOE, NCSoft, ect, for hosting rights. We won't get any kind of time frame.

I am also worried that they have not been able to do any kind of network test. Dragon Empires was coming along great, until they entered beta and found that the network code they had would nopt handle the users for a MMO. So A very promising MMO was just cancelled. (and that one was already in beta).

I'm just concerned how much can be tested with a dev team of 30 or so people.

Just ranting I guess. I apprciate Tasos posting and telling us what is up. But it just doesn't leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling. Escpecially the inconsistancy of "game client is done", and later " we hired some devs to help finish"

Same thing happened with WISH.

There is nothing like having 30,000 people online crashing your network code to have a full reevaulation of your product.

We dont even know if they have done large scale load testing.

[pronkyou2]

I am also worried that they have not been able to do any kind of network test. Dragon Empires was coming along great, until they entered beta and found that the network code they had would nopt handle the users for a MMO. So A very promising MMO was just cancelled. (and that one was already in beta).

I'm just concerned how much can be tested with a dev team of 30 or so people.

Just ranting I guess. I apprciate Tasos posting and telling us what is up. But it just doesn't leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling. Escpecially the inconsistancy of "game client is done", and later " we hired some devs to help finish"

Their network code was already tested in the past by businesses, if you've seen how Razorwax originally created some insane network code. That was the lesser of their concerns.

The game client is NOT the art and sound assets. It's the code and execution of the game. Adding in visual and audio content is a task that can be set to many others. Mapmakers, modellers, sound techs, all those goods. The more important aspect of finishing all the game content is to have a way to hear it and see it. It's just that you don't know if you're going to have an art and sound team that's going to finish before you're done coding, so you can hire more near the end, when they can start using more of the tools. It's not inconsistent, you simply didn't understand the statement.

If you read it and understand it, you'd get excited too. The beta milestone marks the point when you start testing and producing advertising materials like shirts and banners, get a few product managers to do the work for PR, it's when you start getting ready to present it to the world. Testing can be executed anytime you want, usually in intervals, but also when you simply need input from testers. They have no obligation to release us a test, it's for their purposes. Even if they said they would start testing, they don't have the obligation to do so.

[pronkyou2]

Their network code was already tested in the past by businesses, if you've seen how Razorwax originally created some insane network code. That was the lesser of their concerns.

The game client is NOT the art and sound assets. It's the code and execution of the game. Adding in visual and audio content is a task that can be set to many others. Mapmakers, modellers, sound techs, all those goods. The more important aspect of finishing all the game content is to have a way to hear it and see it. It's just that you don't know if you're going to have an art and sound team that's going to finish before you're done coding, so you can hire more near the end, when they can start using more of the tools. It's not inconsistent, you simply didn't understand the statement.

If you read it and understand it, you'd get excited too. The beta milestone marks the point when you start testing and producing advertising materials like shirts and banners, get a few product managers to do the work for PR, it's when you start getting ready to present it to the world. Testing can be executed anytime you want, usually in intervals, but also when you simply need input from testers. They have no obligation to release us a test, it's for their purposes. Even if they said they would start testing, they don't have the obligation to do so.
tl;dr

[LanMandragon]

Pronk,

Dont you think though that he should be concerned as many are that the netcode remains fairly untested. There has been countless examples of dev teams that "said" they could handle _____ amount of players on a server and then when beta comes out we realize its not true.

[Ragnar Dragonfyre]

Although I am disappointed by the lack of new game information, I fully understand the position you folks are in with the binding NDA.

It's good to hear that you're looking into outside partner options to help make Darkfall even better. I can't wait to get my hands on this game!

[Norse]

I'm sorry the kids have to whine. I hope you don't take it personally when they do. I'm sure you guys are doing a great job. I know your game is a bright light in the darkness, so I look forward to it big time.

You guys should get a MySpace account to help advertise the game.
It's free and works great.

You got a little on your chin there, ya may want to go freshen up a bit.

[Lorak]

Their network code was already tested in the past by businesses, if you've seen how Razorwax originally created some insane network code. That was the lesser of their concerns.

The game client is NOT the art and sound assets. It's the code and execution of the game. Adding in visual and audio content is a task that can be set to many others. Mapmakers, modellers, sound techs, all those goods. The more important aspect of finishing all the game content is to have a way to hear it and see it. It's just that you don't know if you're going to have an art and sound team that's going to finish before you're done coding, so you can hire more near the end, when they can start using more of the tools. It's not inconsistent, you simply didn't understand the statement.

If you read it and understand it, you'd get excited too. The beta milestone marks the point when you start testing and producing advertising materials like shirts and banners, get a few product managers to do the work for PR, it's when you start getting ready to present it to the world. Testing can be executed anytime you want, usually in intervals, but also when you simply need input from testers. They have no obligation to release us a test, it's for their purposes. Even if they said they would start testing, they don't have the obligation to do so.

Still call me an unbeliever and a heathen. But testing network code without a working client (that they just said they finsihed) is hard for me to believe.

Just not sure how they can test the network code with a game and client actualy sending all the data back and forth that is actualy used.

As for the art work. Henning already stated that the art work for the world was completed. I'd hope the sound effects are too, as adding and syncing up sounds to a game for all the effects can take some time.

As for the beta client being done so it is ready to advertise..... Actualy knowing who and where the game is going to be hosted is a big part of a MMO. And would play a role in the advertising you are able or willing to do.

Really I am not trying to sound like I am bashing the devs, or anyone else. I just didn't see much in the update that made it sound like they were a lot further along than they were a year ago.

They have stated that they were going to start beta last year, but didn't want to tie down Devs that would need to run it. So I would assume that they had at least some kind of working beta client then.

Now, I am not upset that beta is not out. That they are taking the extra time to add content, touch up some things, flesh out the skills is a wonderfull thing.

I was just hoping with the game entering its final stages we would be given a bit more information on how the game actualy works. Even if it was brief descriptions of events in game. For example they could describe the general proceedures that takes place in city sieging, without giving details about the game mechanics involved.

[Lorak]

stupid lag (double post

[gold]

well. if that is considered an update. not really.:( sorry.. its the same as always.. we are working hard. we cant give you anything concrete. and beta is Soon.

[Darkmatter]

The update calmed me down about Darkfall. I won't ever worry about it again. Now we wait.

[keeperofstars]

Pronk,

Dont you think though that he should be concerned as many are that the netcode remains fairly untested. There has been countless examples of dev teams that "said" they could handle _____ amount of players on a server and then when beta comes out we realize its not true.

And they havent tested it with one of the billion network stress test programs out there?

My company uses a stress test which can simulate up to 100k users all sucking up around 1 mb of network requests all at the same time its how we test our new clusters to make sure dipweed newbie in IT didnt get the port cables crossed up.

Now on the flip side its much harder to simulate the network code against all possible computer builds. Which is what a beta should be more about, testing to see how different computer builds handles the code, and to test any game balance aspects which can only be tested by real people.

Game developers have just got lazy and rely on their users to do more of the testing. Nothing is wrong with this approach but what happens each and every time is people focus more on the game aspects and cry whine and bitch when the servers are down for a week cause of a bug, and then want free levels / skills / items to make up for the servers being down for a week. Or they start spreading the word that the game will fail cause servers were down for a week in beta.

Overall I think the DF devs understand this so they want the game as clean as possible before we get to it so we spend 99% of our time game balance testing and not waiting for the servers to come back up. Or the next hotfix.

will they be the first devs to manage this? Only time will tell but they are the first to atleast shoot for this goal. Compared to other companies that say hey its playable we can finish content during beta.

[G.Struepp]

thsi is the most expensiv post i ever made, i'm right now sitting in a hotel buisness center on a crappy pc and paying tons of money per internet minute, but this is once of the best updates i've read since i joined, so its worth every damn euro..

thx

[Killuminati]

thanks for the update :cool:

[Tekerton]

well said :) much thanks. ya'll have fun

[stalwart]

not bad, but half of it is an excuse of why they arent putting out updates. there are two or three lines in there though that make up for the rest.

[Tekerton]

but dont be a ignorant about it. really.

qf obvious funny-ness

[Rifton]

Thats it......ROFL!!

Seriously the way some of you guys are placated by this up date is ridiculously funny. Basically Tasos just passed the buck here sayin "my boss doesnt let me say anything but the same shit we've released for the past 3 years." If this is true i owe you an apology tasos. I'm Sorry for all the ridicule and displeasure with the lack of communication I have directed torwards you. I ask that you please take all those comments and redirect them to your boss for me.....hes an asshole. There is a point when your doing your job, and a point where your being completely fuckin ridiculous. Renegging(sp) on a promise of close developer - community interaction throughout the development cycle and into release is being an asshole. To do so in the name of an NDA is pure bullshit. If your team has done its job well, releasing some of this information with what seems to be less then a year to go before release would be to your advantage, and possible competition would have to create your game concept from the ground up to implement any of your ideas successfully. The point is that letting this info out will not effect sales in the negative. The positive aspects of releasing this new info would be enourmous. If you think this through its the only logical conclusion. So ill retract my statement Tasos' boss, your not an asshole, your just being fuckin dumb.

The news on the Beta milestone is a prime example. Why did it take so fuckin long to release that little tidbit? Why would you not let the community celebrate with the development team? As you can plainly see, people eat that shit up, failures and victories. Post more of them. Post stuff like "This week we got some birds done, put in a whole host of sound effects for emotes, and worked on blood splashes across the environment." give a small example, ntohing to revelaing, then say "these goals were met, these werent cause we had to much fuckin fun moonwalking, burping, and splashing blood on people walking by." One paragraph, Once a week, with original content. You guys are smart, figure out how to make that fuckin happen. Hell I'd even pay for it(hint hint).

[TiraX]

It think it's this kind of info we need more then anything.

Looks promising..

[Altemier]

I can't wait for you guys to finish this up for beta. I like the updates you guys are working on.You're all doing great work so please keep it up.

[Lorak]

Again, maybe it is just me, but I don't see what everyone is so over joyed about. Other than Tasos made a post.

is it just me? Or did this not read.

We now have a working beta client and we are trying to sell the game off to get it hosted and published, but if we can't sell it we will self publish so we don't just end up eating the development cost.

And I still don't understand how the Devs are under a NDA. Can anyone even try to make out how thats possible? Thats like author saying he can't tell you about his book because of copywrite law.

I just don't get it.

[gold]

Again, maybe it is just me, but I don't see what everyone is so over joyed about. Other than Tasos made a post.

is it just me? Or did this not read.

We now have a working beta client and we are trying to sell the game off to get it hosted and published, but if we can't sell it we will self publish so we don't just end up eating the development cost.

And I still don't understand how the Devs are under a NDA. Can anyone even try to make out how thats possible? Thats like author saying he can't tell you about his book because of copywrite law.

I just don't get it.

guess we will have to wait another month or 10 to get another vague idea of wtf is going on.

[Ishnal]

Nice to read this, was a refreshing update. Thanks for taking the time to make it.

[Daarco]

Yay
I love when Tasos tell us" when we go under radar, thats mean we work hard".
Just the things we need to hear:D

[Logrus]

Again, maybe it is just me, but I don't see what everyone is so over joyed about. Other than Tasos made a post.

is it just me? Or did this not read.

We now have a working beta client and we are trying to sell the game off to get it hosted and published, but if we can't sell it we will self publish so we don't just end up eating the development cost.

And I still don't understand how the Devs are under a NDA. Can anyone even try to make out how thats possible? Thats like author saying he can't tell you about his book because of copywrite law.

I just don't get it.


Good im not the only one to think this is a little shakey. To be honest if beta is ready. Why havent we seen an actual ingame demo. I mean if its as good as were believing its gonna be. Just to get it to us. An for other online mags to get the word out.. This would easily be a very good bargaining chip to get another company to pick it up.. I dont know. Lets not forget to mention having a ton of players flock to your product. That would intise other buyers..

For the second part my friend its just a cop out. Lets take our laziness of lack of updates, An dump it all on the shoulders of our Boss, An this hush hush clause..

This is a fact. WE wont see DF released til july. We are definately nto gonna see it now, What with the launch of the popular WoW titles first expansion. To try an start with the beta now. Would hurt their chances, an any respectable buyers.. So exoect to play beta early spring, an see a release to buy date, mid summer...

[Legolas]

Everything seems to flow, keep the good work up!

[Derosian]

I knew it, Working beta before 2007. >_>

[4swordlink]

Thank you so much for an update like that. My day just got brighter because of it.

[EnolaGay]

Jan update =

We are working hard at trying to sell the game to another software company with the funds and resources to finish this project... as soon as we do we will update you again and you can start hounding the new team about community interaction, updates, and Beta timelines. In the meantime we cant say anything more because we are bound by NDA


Designers of their own game hiding behind NDA... thats a new one on me but at this point they are grasping at any excuse.

The amount of salad tossing going on over an update which told us absolutely nothing except to confirm they are looking to sell the game is more than any orgy scene in the history of porn.

If this is the best they can do at this stage of the game then I think its finally official...... vaporware pure and simple. :bang: What a waste of time.

[NewRage]

I'm kind of shocked at the unrest this thread has caused. It seemed to the same to me as every other update post in the past couple years, but all of a sudden people are finally noticing that it's just a lack of update post.

[Lorak]

I'm kind of shocked at the unrest this thread has caused. It seemed to the same to me as every other update post in the past couple years, but all of a sudden people are finally noticing that it's just a lack of update post.


I think you just answered your own question. All the rage is because this update is indeed the same thing said the last couple of years.

2004....we're testing in house, but we can't talk and are busy, expect more information later...

2005.... we're testing in house, but we can't talk and are busy, expect more information later...

2006.... we're testing in house, but we can't talk and are busy, expect more information later...

and now... The big January UPDATE!!!

2007. ...we're testing in house, but we can't talk and are busy, expect more information later...

Granted Tasos, Claus and the rest think we are all a bunch of window licking retards, but even us retards can add 2+2 given enough time and repetition.

[Agge]

surprises = farming & animal breeding

Exactly what I thought, god I hope thats true, but they havent said anything soo I wont be disepointed if its something else, Im just wishing.

And now i hope the bichers will shut up for at least a month.

[Logrus]

Granted Tasos, Claus and the rest think we are all a bunch of window licking retards, but even us retards can add 2+2 given enough time and repetition.

I just spit out my coffee, Too funny.......

[huapua]

Good to hear something.

But what I really want to know is... Will there be full loot and PvP in Derk fall?

[alfaroverall]

Good to hear something.

But what I really want to know is... Will there be full loot and PvP in Derk fall?
In Derkfall? No that's a fucking carebear game.

[nigelnyc]

Haha, just forget it, it's the SAME old shit over and over, and it's old.


Im just done for a while.

[End Dream]

i really appreciate this update

[chano]

[QUOTE=Tasos;691938][FONT=Tahoma]Hello everyone, we hope you

[Red Morgan]

Wait, you mean there's an actual game? I thought this was just Forumfall!

[Kin]

Same exact shit thats been said for years...


Not impressed, or pleased.

[gtechie]

Thanks for the honesty, Tasos. This update is pretty freakin' sweet.

[Minx]

The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly. At the moment we're using part of this system to show the game to prospective partners, distributors, publishers, technology providers, etc. Our motivation here is to provide the best quality assurance, distribution, and service for the game and its players, so we consider this to be a very important phase for Darkfall.Yeah, I'd probably take a break to play the game for awhile myself. ^_^

[Doffeh]

Wait, you mean there's an actual game? I thought this was just Forumfall!

Oh gasp, me too!

here are clear guidelines, we're bound by NDAs

Learn to fight the system! =O Or, wait, I guess this is what happens when you spend your time gaming through the key years of music where the better ways of thinking in life were established xD

Anyway, in order to keep my MMOs pro and pwn, I will be a critic and state that this little update is a waste as it is one simple post where a so called dev (=P) states that things are going well!

Though all in all, seeing as most devs are or have been gamers to the bone, I believe they treat projects and work like this like they did when they studied.
Chill, relax, sleep, eat, drink, game, and then the night before the hand in, work like bloody hell. I kind of see darkfall as the same thing..

(Before anyone goes "no, that is how u work doffe, loll", do know that I don't even work the night before the hand in.)

[WonderBrick]

Thanks for update. This is exactly the type of updates I enjoy(milestones instead of info rehashing).

Unfortunately it is tainted by past "beta is soon" updates year after year.

[augustgrace]

I made the mistake of getting excited when they did clan sign ups over a year ago, so this little tid bit does nothing for me. Lets see a real update please.

[xArsonx]

Dont know why you guys are complaining I been following this game for awhile and I fully expect it to be the next blockbuster MMO to come out...with games like vanguard (complete shit) and wow expansion I am happy to wait for darkfall

P s I know I just joined today that doesnt mean I havn't been following this game for over a year

[alfaroverall]

P s I know I just joined today that doesnt mean I havn't been following this game for over a year
This is forumfall. Accurate join date or it didn't happen.

[gold]

Thanks for update. This is exactly the type of updates I enjoy. Unfortunately it is tainted by past "beta is soon" updates year after year.

thats probably the best way to say it.... we all hope they are truely being honest to us this time.. but as the ^^^^^ says.... its tainted.

[xArsonx]

This is forumfall. Accurate join date or it didn't happen.

lol bite me I couldnt get a valid email till now

[Sachem]

The devs maybe just have a different perspective on a few things. (Read on, I'll try to enumerate). Basically I bet it's hard to keep your head above water in the "studio" environment of a big, new gameworld development project. Especially with online gaming taking off in the last couple of years.

One ideal outcome as far as the dev team is concerned would be to pass off the distribution, advertising, and such to a team with media experience. They also would like (I bet) a maintenance contract for the persistent world, somewhere they can scale up rapidly. Semiconductor designers send off the design to Flextronics or whatever, and the next day the latest fabrication hardware is multitasking their (and everybody's) latest designs. Gaming needs to be more distributed, not vertically integrated, I imaging someone is saying.

For the time being, the designing of the game is still going good, but these huge scalability concerns aren't the only headaches. Roughly 60% of whoever they pick for beta will be bitchin' and moaning. That's a universal quotient of dissatifaction, among the general public.

[Ghorne]

Outstanding! I'm happy to get some news, any news, but the best part is that this is good news! :D

[nigelnyc]

whatever man, blah blah blah "been following this game for a while" bullcrap.

[Solice]

;692027']:lmao: Yeah, this clearly isn't a response to IGN's article.

You can't even call this an update. "What? Oh, uh, yeah, we totally met the beta deadline. It's just, you guys can't play it. And we added other stuff to the game! Cool stuff. It's awesome, trust us. Also, that IGN article is totally wrong, which we're showing you with this rather drawn out 'update' containing things like 'we're working real hard' and 'we can't talk about stuff'. BETA SOON LOL"

I couldn't have said it better myself! Good thing is there are all kinds of new Mmo's coming out and actually starting betas here soon so i'll just have to see what grabs my attention first...

[alfaroverall]

lol bite me I couldnt get a valid email till now
If you have internet access anywhere, you could've gotten a hotmail account. This year of forumfall is gonna be rough for you just because you didn't do that and now you're an 07er.

[Maglubiyet]

If it's the arson i know... then he has been following the game for awhile... if not... then he is a newb.

[ChaoteWolf]

I gotta say: Thank you Tasos :D , this update is perfect. And thank you Dev Team: You're building my dream world. WOW won't know what hit them when Darkfall arrives! Go Aventurine, my bet's on you!

[Lifeless]

i nutted myself because he mentioned beta

[augustgrace]

I think its cute that some of you think DF is going to have a huge impact on WoW's customer base:lmao:
DF will be an incredible game if it ever comes out, but it won't apeal to the masses in the same way that load of mediocrity, WoW, does.

[Necrash]

Well There is a beta just we cant play it thats good or bad lol....

Well if they got a beta set up to some extent its good so hehehehe!!

[Haro]

Wonder if beta is in a holding pattern not just to show the game to potential publishers, but to also get beyond all the noise over WoW's xpac.

Letting all the frenzy over WoW's xpac die down could be smart. A formal beta announcement is going to draw a lot of attention. They want to maximize that. Trying to directly compete for gamer attention with the biggest player on the block would be counterproductive.

[Figrix Voidstar]

Oooh, all good to hear most definitely. Good to be kept posted and I'm glad some proper explanation to those who would be un-believers and nay-sayers was laid out. It's unnecessary for them to even have to do that though...

I mean jesus christ people - everything he just said about development and updates, falling off the map and such, is pretty obvious. Quit yer bitchin' :D

[Metrobius]

I'm happy to hear that somone is enjoying darkfall- Wait, thats almost like saying I'm glad my girlfriend is cheating because at least somone is enjoying her. No, I hate anyone involved in internal beta and wish them only ill.

[pronkyou2]

Pronk,

Dont you think though that he should be concerned as many are that the netcode remains fairly untested. There has been countless examples of dev teams that "said" they could handle _____ amount of players on a server and then when beta comes out we realize its not true.
Insofar as testing it with a large playerbase of 10000+, I am slightly worried, but considering they've had prior experience with networking, and that gettting the server loaded with players is part of end testing, I'm ONLY slightly worried.

It could be they end up getting 8000 or 5000 on the server - That would still be a good playerbase to work on. Pop a limit on the server, start working with the hardware and rework the netcode alot, but never quit.

I've taken too long to write this, so I'll just leave it and see what reaction it gets. I left something out.

[BLACKWATCH]

Hum,
no dates, no real information, there needing help, there way behind on sounds , world building, there self publishing is not cutting it, and there Pumping
for a outside publisher...There scrambling for more help in the last inning of the game.

Meh, what is new? Like we don't all ready know that this IS the how it is??

While Im sure the Blind Fanbois have got all wet over a Posting that actualy has NADA for real information, the truth is, NOTHING was said....

Were still just as much in the dark as before... Oh well normal Darkfall...

Waisted space that could of had in game information and or Projected Time frames... :(

[Webco]

I never felt that Darkfalls had fallen off the side of the world, or something catastrophic had happened, i am just eager to hopefully participate in a game that should give me great joy, for my next online experience. You have to admit even with NDA's and what appears to be a huge following, we just want to know whats happening, maybe being a little to0 eager start to appear hostile.

It was great to see the limited update! Glad to hear internal beta is progressing! Look forward to more tidbits down the road.

Webco

[nazual]

Updates like these are what helps me sleep at night :)

[Oblivion]

Thanks for the update. It is much appreciated.

[xWicKeDx]

finally some good news tyvm

[L-C]

Pretty soon Darkfall Online will turn 7 years old. (If it hasn't already.) Clan beta signups will be celebrating their two year anniversary soon as well. I'm sticking with the "Before Duke Nukem Forever" prediction.

[Aleviese]

Thanks for the update. It's *wonderful* :cool:

[LanMandragon]

Insofar as testing it with a large playerbase of 10000+, I am slightly worried, but considering they've had prior experience with networking, and that gettting the server loaded with players is part of end testing, I'm ONLY slightly worried.

It could be they end up getting 8000 or 5000 on the server - That would still be a good playerbase to work on. Pop a limit on the server, start working with the hardware and rework the netcode alot, but never quit.

I've taken too long to write this, so I'll just leave it and see what reaction it gets. I left something out.

Yeah, I just think that without large scale beta testing there really isn't any real guarantee this will even work.

Oh and Blackwatch, I know man, I know.

[EnolaGay]

Pretty soon Darkfall Online will turn 7 years old. (If it hasn't already.) Clan beta signups will be celebrating their two year anniversary soon as well. I'm sticking with the "Before Duke Nukem Forever" prediction.



Almost 17 months ago their lead art designer Henning Ludvigsen said in an interview that their wonderful painstakingly hand constructed game world was finished. – Now suddenly there is so much work on the world left to be done that additional worldbuilders were needed to be hired? Which is it? Was it finished back then or not?

In fact how the hell can you claim to be “basically on schedule” for a new years beta when “lots of work” still needs to be done on world building, sound engineering, and animation. Which is it? Were you on schedule or not? Is basically on schedule give or take 3 to 9 years?

Everything these people say is a contradiction. Its laughable that they seem to forget what bullshit they have already told us when making up new bullshit to tell us… Its as if they are counting on everyone in here haivng fanboi salad tossing induced Alzheimer’s or having zero reading comprehension and retention ability.

I am surprised they keep the old interviews up in the news section when its so easy to search through them and catch the lies.

[mlucas]

Hum,
no dates, no real information, there needing help, there way behind on sounds , world building, there self publishing is not cutting it, and there Pumping
for a outside publisher...There scrambling for more help in the last inning of the game.

Meh, what is new? Like we don't all ready know that this IS the how it is??

While Im sure the Blind Fanbois have got all wet over a Posting that actualy has NADA for real information, the truth is, NOTHING was said....

Were still just as much in the dark as before... Oh well normal Darkfall...

Waisted space that could of had in game information and or Projected Time frames... :(


I agree I guess after such a long drought of nno info anything is better,but you are correct their was very little substance in that "update" .While I am grateful they are giving us some insight on why they have not been able to update that much NDA is not that big of a hurddle on doing some kind of regualr update .

Hopefully from what I read they seem to hint at least that they may be a little more open, I guess only time will tell.

[Shadow Walker2020]

Well, its better than nothing, I suppose.

This seems to be less of an update and more of a post telling everyone to quit bitching for updates, youll get them when you get them.

But thats just my take on it.

[LanMandragon]

Well, its better than nothing, I suppose.

This seems to be less of an update and more of a post telling everyone to quit bitching for updates, youll get them when you get them.

But thats just my take on it.

Thats one way of putting it. I think if the intent was to calm the flames, it was moderately successful though.

[Hercules]

Guess I came to lurk at the right time. I've been a member of these boards for SO long I can't even remember however.... I'm glad work is being done, and I'm waiting patiently for the finished product.

Go team! :)

Edit: Been a member for 4+ years, coming on 5 years in November. Wow, time flies :)

[illicit]

Man half you bitches carry on like the devs owe you something. They don't owe you shit, we don't owe them shit. I am here because I am hoping they make a good game which is worthy of my $15 US dollars a month. The dev team are doing this to get paid.

That is it.

Stop being so emotive n00bz.

If this game finally comes out in 2008 and its good, I will play it, if it shit, I won't, regardless of how long I have been a member of the boards and how much the devs interact with the "community" (ps, I fucking hate that word when used to describe a bunch of nerd salavating over a concept on a message board).

Anyway I am going back to playing with my third.

[Shadow Walker2020]

Man half you bitches carry on like the devs owe you something. They don't owe you shit, we don't owe them shit. I am here because I am hoping they make a good game which is worthy of my $15 US dollars a month. The dev team are doing this to get paid.

That is it.

Stop being so emotive n00bz.

If this game finally comes out in 2008 and its good, I will play it, if it shit, I won't, regardless of how long I have been a member of the boards and how much the devs interact with the "community" (ps, I fucking hate that word when used to describe a bunch of nerd salavating over a concept on a message board).

Anyway I am going back to playing with my third.

Its going to be $10 bucks a month.

[pronkyou2]

Its going to be $10 bucks a month.
Oh good, someone's been paying attention. I was wondering where 15 came from...

[illicit]

lol you guys are sad.

[Metrobius]

Man half you bitches carry on like the devs owe you something. They don't owe you shit, we don't owe them shit. I am here because I am hoping they make a good game which is worthy of my $15 US dollars a month. The dev team are doing this to get paid.

That is it.

Stop being so emotive n00bz.

If this game finally comes out in 2008 and its good, I will play it, if it shit, I won't, regardless of how long I have been a member of the boards and how much the devs interact with the "community" (ps, I fucking hate that word when used to describe a bunch of nerd salavating over a concept on a message board).

Anyway I am going back to playing with my third.

Believe it or not, in some parts of the world, promises still mean something. that means that we really do expect a game when we are promised a game. I'm not saying that they owe us regular updates or constant interaction, but when someone says over and over that they are going to do a thing. . . Well, people begin to expect them to do it.

I understand that the game has been through alot of changes(graphics overhaul, I think they had to rewrite the game engine, or maybe that was just some pointless conjecture on the boards) the problem is that we have not been told stuff like: "Hey, losers, we have to start over on the graphics, so go away for a couple years, ok?" We have ben told stuff like: "Everythings great, we're moving forward and beta is going to happen soon."

I understand the whole NDA thing and this post is not aimed at the devs or at Tasos, it is aimed at the penis nodules who keep saying that we need to shut up because they owe us nothing, The fact is that Razorwax and aventurine have made an effort to build a following around this game and also have made many promises concerning the game in order to get us excited about it(Marketing). If they hope to hold onto any credability they had better try to keep faith with the "community" they have intentionally built.

[Mushukyou]

I would lose much respect if Darkfall was advertised thru MySpace.

That's because you're retarded.

[Larec]

Meh, kinda generic "Update", like always. Ah, well, maybe a bit more contradicting, stating that the game-client is "done" while they're hiring more world-creators...

Anyways, while reading it, I was wondering something:
Tasos says they're under a NDA and can't talk about stuff... wait a minute... under a NDA?
The non-disclosure agreement is a legal contract between two parties. In our setting the two parties usually are beta-testers on the one hand and the game-developers (or publisher, or whoever) on the other.

In this case, there's no beta going on. Tasos states he can't talk because he's got to keep the NDA. NDA with whom? They don't have a publisher yet, so there doesn't seem to be a second party with whom they could hold the NDA. They're the devs, they OWN the game. Really makes me wonder who wants to forbid them talking about it...

We already know about many of the cool and new features which are going to be in the game (like sieges and sea-battles), so why don't show them in a short clip? It's not like their business competition would gain anything from seeing one of the known features in action.

Meh, I hope I am totally wrong. While my paranoid self tells me that the Darkfall is just some students project on human patience and attention-span, I still hope it will be released this year!

;) :eek: ;)

[pronkyou2]

Meh, kinda generic "Update", like always. Ah, well, maybe a bit more contradicting, stating that the game-client is "done" while they're hiring more world-creators...

How many times am I going to say this today...

The game client is not the sound/art assets

Please grow a brain. Code is not art/sound/anything created with tools. :bang:

[Jeraal]

Well I for one is happy with this update, makes me know you guys are still alive. :)

[Jaevin]

I must admit, EA has cleaned up their act recently. They're publishing good games these days.


You're joking right?

[EnolaGay]

How many times am I going to say this today...

The game client is not the sound/art assets

Please grow a brain. Code is not art/sound/anything created with tools. :bang:


Henning Ludvigsen lead graphics/art designer said they were finished building the world 17 months ago

Now they suddenly aren

[pronkyou2]

Henning Ludvigsen lead graphics/art designer said they were finished building the world 17 months ago

Now they suddenly aren’t finished and actually have so much more work to on the "finished" world that they need to hire more worldbuilders -- And you tell him he needs to grow a brain?? You need to throw your brain away if you are buying that bullshit cause its clearly defective
You don't get it, do you. The map is not sounds, it's not the models, it's not the item pictures and other small representations, it's not the placement of npcs. It's the map layout. It's the ground, capital buildings, ruins, the sun, moon, and stars. It's simpler to put together the world map before putting creatures in it because you have a better frame of reference for how it would look rather than having a wireframe quickmodel. Get with it.

[PrideFC]

Thanks for the update, much appreciated. :)

[PrideFC]

Thanks for the update, much appreciated. :)

[PrideFC]

Thanks for the update, much appreciated. :)

[Painweaver]

Tasos, i feel for you guys down there :P

and Enola, World design is pretty much deciding where to put EVERY single stone, every single grain of sand, every single straw of grass so that it

1: looks and feels good
2: Is overall balanced

also you gotta

1: Plan the terrain
2: Check for map leaks
3: Add sounds, NPCs, Quests, Triggered events
4: Check for leaks (again, gotta hate those)
5: drink coffee as it can be quite tiresome at times :P

And if you really wanna throw in the aces:

1: Try and spot the most used paths and, as tasos said, "Beautify" those.

last one isn't used that often, you'll mostly see it in FPS games where the map designers usually have a little extra time to shine things up, but i don't wanna get into that now as that's an entirely different process :) it CAN be used in MMOs, but you don't see it often.

[Varkas]

This update us music to my ears.

[Larec]

Please grow a brain. Code is not art/sound/anything created with tools. :bang:

It was stated a looong time ago that the world is actually done. Now they hired worldbuilders. Maybe they just want to add a few more dungeons, maybe they still have bigger issues. Who knows. But it doesn't really sound like their world is "done".

Anyways, just my two cents. And my curiosity about the NDA-thingie still stands, too. I still love the idea of this game, no matter how late it will come (if, ever). Until then, since you were so "nice" to give me an advice, I'll return the favor: Please grow some manners.

[Malhavok]

Meh, kinda generic "Update", like always. Ah, well, maybe a bit more contradicting, stating that the game-client is "done" while they're hiring more world-creators...

Anyways, while reading it, I was wondering something:
Tasos says they're under a NDA and can't talk about stuff... wait a minute... under a NDA?
The non-disclosure agreement is a legal contract between two parties. In our setting the two parties usually are beta-testers on the one hand and the game-developers (or publisher, or whoever) on the other.

In this case, there's no beta going on. Tasos states he can't talk because he's got to keep the NDA. NDA with whom? They don't have a publisher yet, so there doesn't seem to be a second party with whom they could hold the NDA. They're the devs, they OWN the game. Really makes me wonder who wants to forbid them talking about it...

We already know about many of the cool and new features which are going to be in the game (like sieges and sea-battles), so why don't show them in a short clip? It's not like their business competition would gain anything from seeing one of the known features in action.

Meh, I hope I am totally wrong. While my paranoid self tells me that the Darkfall is just some students project on human patience and attention-span, I still hope it will be released this year!

;) :eek: ;)

Umm, I can guarantee everyone on the Razorwax team has been under NDA since they were put on the pay roll. The NDAs are between RW and the RW employees. Even in the highly unlikely event that all of those RW employees are co-owners they could still have a contract amongst themselves.

The game client is the skeleton upon which the world is built. If the game client is done there could still very well be hundreds if not thousands of placeholders that still need to be dealt with.

[KpG]

Nice to hear that something is going on !!

[Night_Eagle_177]

thanks for the info. keep working hard and when the game comes out i'll be sure to play hard =p

[Khael[SUN]]

Hmm ok so basicly the same story, we have heard last 3-4 years.

- Soon ready for beta
- We will update you more often from now on
- We have an update coming in a few weeks

It's hard not to be sceptical after all these years - but I do hope to be proven wrong.

Good luck.

[La Cuspide Scarlatta]

Nice update, carry on!

about the NDA. I can't understand why some of you don't understand. Aventurine is the company that is giving money to develop the game, the staff of Darkfall has contracts with Aventurine with specific NDA issues on both sides. That's so simple.

And, as I said a million times before, Darkfall staff is trying to create innovative features never seen in other MMORPGs before. They don't want their better ideas to be implemented too soon by other publishers that have 10 times their manpower now, do they? So they keep the "low profile" and know very well that if the game is good, all whiners will be the first one playing.

Or do you really want another superhyped piece of shit? Can't you really understand that there are maybe people, that want, along with gaining money, to create a good product instead of mediocrity?

About the promises... I never heard of "BIG" promises by the developers, they never said "beta will be for sure this month" or "we'll surely hire a PR person to keep contacts". Maybe sometimes they just talked too early or couldn't or didn't want to do things they said, but to develop a game so rich like the concept of Darkfall is not a simple task, and milestones can move in time very quickly depending on situations. And finally, shit, are the developers your girlfriend or mom? Do you feel betrayed?? well, go get a life, welcome to the real world :D

For me, they can send me to hell and pinch my tires if they deliver what they want to deliver. If not, well, I think I'll survive well enough, at least I didn't add any destructive critisism to the sadness of this world.

I'm :cool:

[Unknewn]

Good to know your alive Tasos, looking forward as allways

[Skeanthu]

I would dance around the office upon reading this update, but I would look like I am on fire, and working at a hospital that would get me thrown in the psych ward :) .

Tasos happy to read all are alive and working on the stuff and things.

Nice to read work and passion can still go hand in hand!

Save room for me in the beta, every beta needs a bad dancer. :lmao:

[La Cuspide Scarlatta]

Interesting update. However someone seems to have conveniently left out some interesting bits of information. :p

-- CUT - see above --




Good first hand information

However, as so many people like bad news, probably you'll be more reliable to them than Tasos

[|Avalanche]

Thanks, keep it up!

[Airius Droc]

It would be nice if you could take this message to your potential publishers. "Fuck you." Now in 5 years if they can get me to take it back, they've done a good job.

[Nehemia]

Thats something I expected to hear, thank you, we'll be waiting with patience, at least I hope we do. *Glares at certain people*

[Archazar]

;693135']Hmm ok so basicly the same story, we have heard last 3-4 years.

- Soon ready for beta
- We will update you more often from now on
- We have an update coming in a few weeks

It's hard not to be sceptical after all these years - but I do hope to be proven wrong.

Good luck.

Agreed. :(

Also the remark about "self publishing" was a big downer for me.

I guess it's safe to say, that we won't play beta before 2008.

Arch

[Killersos]

Thanks for the update, its nice ot just hear from the devs

[L-C]

Nice update, carry on!

about the NDA. I can't understand why some of you don't understand. Aventurine is the company that is giving money to develop the game, the staff of Darkfall has contracts with Aventurine with specific NDA issues on both sides. That's so simple.

And, as I said a million times before, Darkfall staff is trying to create innovative features never seen in other MMORPGs before. They don't want their better ideas to be implemented too soon by other publishers that have 10 times their manpower now, do they? So they keep the "low profile" and know very well that if the game is good, all whiners will be the first one playing.

Or do you really want another superhyped piece of shit? Can't you really understand that there are maybe people, that want, along with gaining money, to create a good product instead of mediocrity?

About the promises... I never heard of "BIG" promises by the developers, they never said "beta will be for sure this month" or "we'll surely hire a PR person to keep contacts". Maybe sometimes they just talked too early or couldn't or didn't want to do things they said, but to develop a game so rich like the concept of Darkfall is not a simple task, and milestones can move in time very quickly depending on situations. And finally, shit, are the developers your girlfriend or mom? Do you feel betrayed?? well, go get a life, welcome to the real world :D

For me, they can send me to hell and pinch my tires if they deliver what they want to deliver. If not, well, I think I'll survive well enough, at least I didn't add any destructive critisism to the sadness of this world.

I'm :cool:

It's funny because as I remember it Aventurine was a GAME PUBLISHER. Now they are in need of a publisher? Isn't that strange? Also strange is the fact that Aventurine was formed during the development of DFO. And who is running Aventurine?

"Perhaps fittingly, the developers opted to move to Greece, becoming the core of a new company, Aventurine. Recently, ending a quiet period that started last year, Lead Designer Claus Grovdal, Associate Producer Tasos Flambouras, Lead Programmer Kjetil Helland, Art Director Henning Ludvigsen and Executive Producer Jade El Mehdawi agreed to break their lengthy silence."

This money you speak of must have been crapped out by a magical unicorn flying over a rainbow bridge. The is no mention anywhere of how Aventurine itself is funded. I'm willing to bet Aventurine was just another method to generate hype, just like the beta signups.

The presence of fanboys already proves that it's overhyped. The lack of any in depth info at this point in development might be a sign of the shit part. Seven years in development, and all they have to show is a few animations and screenshots? It's not like they don't have any standard MMORPG features that could be shown.

Seven years is a long time to goad us on. If they never wanted the hype, then they wouldn't pull stunts like Clan Beta Signups. They were nowhere near beta, but did it anyway...

You are a :fool:

[La Cuspide Scarlatta]

It's funny because as I remember it Aventurine was a GAME PUBLISHER. Now they are in need of a publisher? Isn't that strange? Also strange is the fact that Aventurine was formed during the development of DFO. And who is running Aventurine?

"Perhaps fittingly, the developers opted to move to Greece, becoming the core of a new company, Aventurine. Recently, ending a quiet period that started last year, Lead Designer Claus Grovdal, Associate Producer Tasos Flambouras, Lead Programmer Kjetil Helland, Art Director Henning Ludvigsen and Executive Producer Jade El Mehdawi agreed to break their lengthy silence."

This money you speak of must have been crapped out by a magical unicorn flying over a rainbow bridge. The is no mention anywhere of how Aventurine itself is funded. I'm willing to bet Aventurine was just another method to generate hype, just like the beta signups.

The presence of fanboys already proves that it's overhyped. The lack of any in depth info at this point in development might be a sign of the shit part. Seven years in development, and all they have to show is a few animations and screenshots? It's not like they don't have any standard MMORPG features that could be shown.

Seven years is a long time to goad us on. If they never wanted the hype, then they wouldn't pull stunts like Clan Beta Signups. They were nowhere near beta, but did it anyway...

You are a :fool:

You speak of things you have no idea of like you had. All your questioning is pointless, and yet you are still here while they fool you for no reason. Just go away.

Who's the fool?

[Scramswitch]

I'm only posting to try and help outweigh the people bitching. Thanx for the update, Tasos. Looking forward to beta.

[coil6]

thanks for the update, I always like hearing that DFO is ongoing.
to those whiners who think they are somehow being let down. shame on you.
If you are like me, you follow the development of DFO, because you are not satisfied with whats is out there, and like what you have seen so far with darkfall.
seriously, I want them to take there time, and put out a good game not some hack job wich has been the latest trend in recent mmo's IMO.

[dragonx]

;693135']Hmm ok so basicly the same story, we have heard last 3-4 years.

- Soon ready for beta
- We will update you more often from now on
- We have an update coming in a few weeks

It's hard not to be sceptical after all these years - but I do hope to be proven wrong.

Good luck.

ya they been announcing beta since 2003, and its the same old promises and nothing to show for it, they need to hire a new public relations guy because they are saying all the wrong things again and again, heard it before many times before, its disappointing.

[Viranth]

Good update, thanks Tasos.

[SHo]

SO glad you came out to give us an update!!!! WOOHOOO

Yeh, just focus on the game and give us an update every month or so just to let us know you all still have your sanity and just a little on how the game is going.

You have to beat the big guys! I have waiting for this game a long time so as long as I get to play before I die Ill be happy.

[UtbildadNinja]

That's because you're retarded.

Who would play a game advertised by MySpace?

[Elandir]

Wonderful update!:)

[TizzyFoe]

i read this in class and now need a change of pants!! :ohno:

[Logrus]

You speak of things you have no idea of like you had. All your questioning is pointless, and yet you are still here while they fool you for no reason. Just go away.

Who's the fool?

I think your in the group to be labeled the fools. Seriously its just the same garbage time an time again. We are on schedule, An beta will be in the very near future.. Low an behold a few months later heres Tasos again stating. Now were touching up this. we are still on schedule, an beta will be around in the very near future,,

Then after pretty much stating this. He now claims a world which earlier on was finished, Isnt actually finished. Sure i read speculations that its this an that. To me when you say the world is finished. that means all stuff is where it should be. all creatures are where they need to be, npcs, critters, an so on. Otherwise you cant say the world is technically finished..

[Eric]

good :)

[Magar]

Yay.

The most significant update in the past year or so....

M.
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[Haro]

It's funny because as I remember it Aventurine was a GAME PUBLISHER. Now they are in need of a publisher? Isn't that strange? Also strange is the fact that Aventurine was formed during the development of DFO. And who is running Aventurine?

"Perhaps fittingly, the developers opted to move to Greece, becoming the core of a new company, Aventurine. Recently, ending a quiet period that started last year, Lead Designer Claus Grovdal, Associate Producer Tasos Flambouras, Lead Programmer Kjetil Helland, Art Director Henning Ludvigsen and Executive Producer Jade El Mehdawi agreed to break their lengthy silence."

This money you speak of must have been crapped out by a magical unicorn flying over a rainbow bridge. The is no mention anywhere of how Aventurine itself is funded. I'm willing to bet Aventurine was just another method to generate hype, just like the beta signups.

The presence of fanboys already proves that it's overhyped. The lack of any in depth info at this point in development might be a sign of the shit part. Seven years in development, and all they have to show is a few animations and screenshots? It's not like they don't have any standard MMORPG features that could be shown.

Seven years is a long time to goad us on. If they never wanted the hype, then they wouldn't pull stunts like Clan Beta Signups. They were nowhere near beta, but did it anyway...

You are a :fool:


So you won't be buying and playing Darkfall when it comes out?

[Haro]

I think your in the group to be labeled the fools. Seriously its just the same garbage time an time again. We are on schedule, An beta will be in the very near future.. Low an behold a few months later heres Tasos again stating. Now were touching up this. we are still on schedule, an beta will be around in the very near future,,

Then after pretty much stating this. He now claims a world which earlier on was finished, Isnt actually finished. Sure i read speculations that its this an that. To me when you say the world is finished. that means all stuff is where it should be. all creatures are where they need to be, npcs, critters, an so on. Otherwise you cant say the world is technically finished..



You do understand the the basic world and game can be finished, but many things still need fixing and content remains to be added? That a playable build can exist, yet lack all the final features and polish?

What am I asking... of course you don't understand this.

Please return to your regularly scheduled outraged ignorance.

[Erovinrak]

Woot! Thanks for the update, looking forward to some old school pvping, and making sure all my buddies are in on it this time.

[Rouzuki]

[Quote=Tasos][FONT=Tahoma]It

[Kamakizz]

THANK YOU that is the update I wanted. I don't care if its info about the game or some pictures or some long game article. I'm just glad you guys post your current place in development, where you think your at, and whats going on. One of those once a month would do it.

Thanks!

[Landrew]

Thanks for the update and may the gods be with you so you can finnish faster.

[pronkyou2]

You do understand the the basic world and game can be finished, but many things still need fixing and content remains to be added? That a playable build can exist, yet lack all the final features and polish?

What am I asking... of course you don't understand this.

Please return to your regularly scheduled outraged ignorance.

I already tried explaining this to others. They have two heads and not enough blood pressure, so they just sort of deflate. Just let them stay in their little hole. At least we know what kind of career they'll lead. Probably die stupid to. :idea:

[Logrus]

You do understand the the basic world and game can be finished, but many things still need fixing and content remains to be added? That a playable build can exist, yet lack all the final features and polish?

What am I asking... of course you don't understand this.

Please return to your regularly scheduled outraged ignorance.


Obviously i understand it more then most do. To me a finished world doesnt need more polishing. An it certainly doesnt need more worldbuilders. Unless it was actually never finished. Like i said its all on how one wishs to take in the word FINISHED. Because we are viewing it differently.

I Know for a fact when my boss asks me to get the web site up an running, doesnt mean to give it to him, with So an So's company logo an thats it.. If i pulled that crap id get fired...

[Darrow]

Thanks for the update.

[Metrobius]

Just in case my last post left the wrong idea: I'm always glad to hear from Tasos. Thanks for the update.

[Isandore]

Thank you for the update! Any "hello" is very welcome!

[Scottc1988]

I have a cd burner, can I be ur publisher?

[Metrobius]

I have a cd burner, can I be ur publisher?

LOL. No, because I heard that your label thingy sometimes puts the labels on off center. gotta have proper QA. . .

[Xunzul]

thx for the news update 17 jan 2007 ^_^

[Gorukha]

WEAK, no other way to describe this.

[Martha]

OOC: Any news is good news and this news is great news!

[Ryuji]

Wahoo Beta? Sooooo.. who is actually testing this? Were they only guilds? Why them? How many beta testers are there? Will there be more added?

more questions to be annoyingly unanswered.

[Vecnaros]

[QUOTE=Tasos;691938]The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly. At the moment we're using part of this system to show the game to prospective partners, distributors, publishers, technology providers, etc. Our motivation here is to provide the best quality assurance, distribution, and service for the game and its players, so we consider this to be a very important phase for Darkfall.

[FONT=Tahoma]We've already planned for self-publishing, but we need to know who's willing and able to do it better. We can

[kinring]

Cool,,,can hardly wait!!

[Dark Majesty]

all i have to say is this game is going to be amazing

[Xopak]

lol bite me I couldnt get a valid email till now

Oh'rly? ^^ (bsbsbsbsbsbs)

[L-C]

You do understand the the basic world and game can be finished, but many things still need fixing and content remains to be added? That a playable build can exist, yet lack all the final features and polish?

What am I asking... of course you don't understand this.

Please return to your regularly scheduled outraged ignorance.

Ignorance is bliss.

[L-C]

Obviously i understand it more then most do. To me a finished world doesnt need more polishing. An it certainly doesnt need more worldbuilders. Unless it was actually never finished. Like i said its all on how one wishs to take in the word FINISHED. Because we are viewing it differently.

I Know for a fact when my boss asks me to get the web site up an running, doesnt mean to give it to him, with So an So's company logo an thats it.. If i pulled that crap id get fired...

You should know that fanboys have the right to redefine words until they win an argument. The Darkfall world is obviously in an unfinished finished state.

[Rouzuki]

Wahoo Beta? Sooooo.. who is actually testing this? Were they only guilds? Why them? How many beta testers are there? Will there be more added?

more questions to be annoyingly unanswered.

Didn't the interview state beta was currently in the "friends and family" testing period? Relax chief, be glad they're putting out any details about the game this far from retail. Turbine's LOTR testers weren't allowed to say jack squat without getting in trouble by the NDA.

[Spawl]

Wahoo Beta? Sooooo.. who is actually testing this? Were they only guilds? Why them? How many beta testers are there? Will there be more added?

more questions to be annoyingly unanswered.

He didn't say anyone external was testing only that they met their beta milestone in early december. I imagine that this all means that the equipment is capable of handling external people now and not necessarily confirmation that they in fact have external clans in beta.

Damn, I hope that means things are close. This did get me pumped up a bit.

[Lorak]

Yep.

The only person we know for sure that is playing is Brannoc. So at least long distance remote connections are in and working.

So that is good.