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Shaehl
11-08-2011, 19:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15632831

As a child, he wanted to be a pretty girl.

Ausei
11-08-2011, 19:15
god, shes hot.

Styrr Chipatama
11-08-2011, 19:15
Oh god.

nizzie
11-08-2011, 19:46
god, shes hot.

Hotter than Merkel.

Captain Kirk
11-08-2011, 19:58
Kill it with fire

Fenman
11-08-2011, 20:09
As much as Palikot party is nothing but Public Relations populist movement and Janusz Palikot is nothing more than another Idol elected party, I don't see what's wrong with having democracy work where it happens that population ellects a transgendger.

In before bunch of retards with Polish jokes.

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-08-2011, 20:11
Why is it that every time news talk about trannies, it's some 50 years old 250 pound dude?

they dont ever talk about the trannies looking like that.
http://www.facebook.com/elleryxo?sk=photos

:p

Jimmyhat
11-08-2011, 20:13
Why are you friends with a tranny on face?

Styrr Chipatama
11-08-2011, 20:14
Why is it that every time news talk about trannies, it's some 50 years old 250 pound dude?

they dont ever talk about the trannies looking like that.
http://www.facebook.com/elleryxo?sk=photos

:p

Dayum.

Apex Vertigo
11-08-2011, 20:16
Why is it that every time news talk about trannies, it's some 50 years old 250 pound dude?

they dont ever talk about the trannies looking like that.
http://www.facebook.com/elleryxo?sk=photos

:p

Are you telling me that's a guy?

Styrr Chipatama
11-08-2011, 20:25
Are you telling me that's a guy?

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/283179_243078195716397_235404246483792_9 32595_5154502_n.jpg

Yep.

edit : "My alertpay is elleryxo@gmail.com if you would like to donate to help me pay for my hormones and treatments"
Yep.

Apex Vertigo
11-08-2011, 20:27
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/283179_243078195716397_235404246483792_9 32595_5154502_n.jpg

Yep.

edit : "My alertpay is elleryxo@gmail.com if you would like to donate to help me pay for my hormones and treatments"
Yep.

I'm so confused now :(.

Shaehl
11-08-2011, 20:28
I have nothing against trannies, I just hold them in contempt as people.

Apex Vertigo
11-08-2011, 20:31
I have nothing against trannies, I just hold them in contempt as people.

Why? I work for a lawyer who represents a lot of transexuals so I guess I'm exposed to that kind of life more but I never really held them in contempt, just was confused as to why or how that could happen.

Captain Kirk
11-08-2011, 20:50
Why is it that every time news talk about trannies, it's some 50 years old 250 pound dude?

they dont ever talk about the trannies looking like that.
http://www.facebook.com/elleryxo?sk=photos

:p

You do know that it doesnt matter

Its still a trap...

Shaehl
11-08-2011, 20:53
Why? I work for a lawyer who represents a lot of transexuals so I guess I'm exposed to that kind of life more but I never really held them in contempt, just was confused as to why or how that could happen.

Because to me they symbolize the vapid inanity that so permeates modern existence. Sex has become the meaning of life for so many people nowadays, thus it is not entirely surprising that some will go to any lengths to 'correct' what they believe to be a flaw in their ability to interact with that reason for being.

However, for me, sex is trivial, incidental, and wholly unworthy of any great attention. Yes, it's good, but so is eating, and sleeping, and taking a massive shit after eating a spicy burrito.... But at the end of the day, I'm not an animal--I'm a human being, and I see the distinguishing factor here to be our ability to master our animal natures and become something more. Yes, I eat, sleep, and fuck; I do those things, but I am not those things.

They do not occupy the preeminent places of my mind.

As such, when I see someone so absorbed in matters matters of sex, I see a hollow and primitive existence which I cannot respect. And it's not just trannies, I feel the same way about anyone who allows himself to be defined by his base impulses. For instance, bro's and ho's, fatties, serial killers, etc.

Fenman
11-08-2011, 21:08
Because to me they symbolize the vapid inanity that so permeates modern existence. Sex has become the meaning of life for so many people nowadays, thus it is not entirely surprising that some will go to any lengths to 'correct' what they believe to be a flaw in their ability to interact with that reason for being.

However, for me, sex is trivial, incidental, and wholly unworthy of any great attention. Yes, it's good, but so is eating, and sleeping, and taking a massive shit after eating a spicy burrito.... But at the end of the day, I'm not an animal--I'm a human being, and I see the distinguishing factor here to be our ability to master our animal natures and become something more. Yes, I eat, sleep, and fuck; I do those things, but I am not those things.

They do not occupy the preeminent places of my mind.

As such, when I see someone so absorbed in matters matters of sex, I see a hollow and primitive existence which I cannot respect. And it's not just trannies, I feel the same way about anyone who allows himself to be defined by his base impulses. For instance, bro's and ho's, fatties, serial killers, etc.

You quote, the issue.

Umberto
11-08-2011, 21:13
Why is it that every time news talk about trannies, it's some 50 years old 250 pound dude?

they dont ever talk about the trannies looking like that.
http://www.facebook.com/elleryxo?sk=photos

:p

Am I the only one that freaks out over this? Jesus christ, any one of us could fall into that trap.

Holy shit.

Kossako
11-08-2011, 21:18
As much as Palikot party is nothing but Public Relations populist movement and Janusz Palikot is nothing more than another Idol elected party, I don't see what's wrong with having democracy work where it happens that population ellects a transgendger.

In before bunch of retards with Polish jokes.

25% of young poles voted for them. Voted also just for giggles. I had so much fun after elections with all those catholic retards going apeshit over who entered polish parliament ^^

btw Around 25-40% of young poles are atheists in this "catholic" country.

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-08-2011, 21:19
Why are you friends with a tranny on face?
I'm not, it's a fan page that some friend of mine asked me if I would bang her then he sent me a pic of her with a cock out which pissed me off.


Am I the only one that freaks out over this? Jesus christ, any one of us could fall into that trap.

Holy shit.Honestly If she/he had a vagina, I would go for it for a one night stand but I dont do asses and dicks. But honestly, without the dick, you wouldnt see the difference I'm sure.

PS: Her boobs are real too, no silicone. I think she was still a teenager when she started doing the treatment that's why she actually looks like a girl.

Shaehl
11-08-2011, 21:22
You quote, the issue.

Eh?

doomahx
11-08-2011, 21:46
Because to me they symbolize the vapid inanity that so permeates modern existence. Sex has become the meaning of life for so many people nowadays, thus it is not entirely surprising that some will go to any lengths to 'correct' what they believe to be a flaw in their ability to interact with that reason for being.

However, for me, sex is trivial, incidental, and wholly unworthy of any great attention. Yes, it's good, but so is eating, and sleeping, and taking a massive shit after eating a spicy burrito.... But at the end of the day, I'm not an animal--I'm a human being, and I see the distinguishing factor here to be our ability to master our animal natures and become something more. Yes, I eat, sleep, and fuck; I do those things, but I am not those things.

They do not occupy the preeminent places of my mind.

As such, when I see someone so absorbed in matters matters of sex, I see a hollow and primitive existence which I cannot respect. And it's not just trannies, I feel the same way about anyone who allows himself to be defined by his base impulses. For instance, bro's and ho's, fatties, serial killers, etc.


So if ron paul was fat you would no longer respect him?

Ziegler
11-08-2011, 22:07
PS: Her boobs are real too, no silicone. I think she was still a teenager when she started doing the treatment that's why she actually looks like a girl.

how do you know his tits are real? .....they produce milk?

assuming he did start taking them as a teenager....I didnt think that was legal in the US for minor....dont they require like a couple years of psych eval and shit?

Ziegler
11-08-2011, 22:08
So if ron paul was fat you would no longer respect him?

Pretty hard to respect a medical doctor who is fat, does drugs, or smokes or drinks.........

Ghias
11-08-2011, 22:32
Pretty hard to respect a medical doctor who is fat, does drugs, or smokes or drinks.........

He would have plenty of experience and could understand his patients better -he knows what he talks about -sound good no?

zato`1
11-08-2011, 22:36
no, fat people deserve no respect

if anything represents the 'vapid inanity' of modern existence, its the fact that being an overweight lazy shit-for-brains is fucking accepted.

i bet half the people in this thread are anywhere between 30-50 lbs overweight and think their body is normal.

and your wives and gfs, most are probably 20-30 lbs overweight and like size 8-10+

thatd be acceptable maybe if they had two kids and were 40. but theyre like mid 20s, not even 30 and they look like they eat burgers and pizza every other day.

Ziegler
11-08-2011, 22:48
and your wives and gfs, most are probably 20-30 lbs overweight and like size 8-10+


Wife....can wear Mylie Cyrus teenager clothes.... < size 0

and yes to all those questions you're fixing to ask to make me into a pervert.

GirlyMan
11-08-2011, 23:30
May not be remotely attractive and I didn't watch the video but generally with a lot of trannies if you didn't know they were trannies you'd just think they were another unattractive female, aside from the voice.

Transexuality is pretty much a fetish imo. That's why it's almost exclusively a male thing. The few that go the other way (female to male) usually have some sort of congenital condition.

Nova88
11-08-2011, 23:36
May not be remotely attractive and I didn't watch the video but generally with a lot of trannies if you didn't know they were trannies you'd just think they were another unattractive female, aside from the voice.

Transexuality is pretty much a fetish imo. That's why it's almost exclusively a male thing. The few that go the other way (female to male) usually have some sort of congenital condition.

You sure know a lot about this, GirlyMan :ninja:

GirlyMan
11-08-2011, 23:41
You sure know a lot about this, GirlyMan :ninja:

Yes I do. Wanna fight about it?

alfaroverall
11-08-2011, 23:44
Because to me they symbolize the vapid inanity that so permeates modern existence. Sex has become the meaning of life for so many people nowadays, thus it is not entirely surprising that some will go to any lengths to 'correct' what they believe to be a flaw in their ability to interact with that reason for being.

However, for me, sex is trivial, incidental, and wholly unworthy of any great attention. Yes, it's good, but so is eating, and sleeping, and taking a massive shit after eating a spicy burrito.... But at the end of the day, I'm not an animal--I'm a human being, and I see the distinguishing factor here to be our ability to master our animal natures and become something more. Yes, I eat, sleep, and fuck; I do those things, but I am not those things.

They do not occupy the preeminent places of my mind.

As such, when I see someone so absorbed in matters matters of sex, I see a hollow and primitive existence which I cannot respect. And it's not just trannies, I feel the same way about anyone who allows himself to be defined by his base impulses. For instance, bro's and ho's, fatties, serial killers, etc.
Gender is a bit more complicated than just sex. So is sexuality.

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-08-2011, 23:45
how do you know his tits are real? .....they produce milk?

assuming he did start taking them as a teenager....I didnt think that was legal in the US for minor....dont they require like a couple years of psych eval and shit?

She/he's a brit. And I know because when the dude showed me that tranny, I watched some of her videos in which she describes her treatment progression and shit like that. They are real as in hormone grown, not implants. He's using something to stop testosterone production and something for estrogen. He doesnt have to shave anymore.

Shaehl
11-09-2011, 00:19
Gender is a bit more complicated than just sex. So is sexuality.

Complexity does not equal significance. Soap operas are complicated, rarely are they significant.

As for the guy asking if I would respect Ron Paul if he was fat, let me clarify: It's not the fat I condemn, but the self-destructive obsession with eating, and one's own fatness. In other words, I can't stand people whose world consists of nothing but gorging and lethargy.

Apex Vertigo
11-09-2011, 00:34
Because to me they symbolize the vapid inanity that so permeates modern existence. Sex has become the meaning of life for so many people nowadays, thus it is not entirely surprising that some will go to any lengths to 'correct' what they believe to be a flaw in their ability to interact with that reason for being.

However, for me, sex is trivial, incidental, and wholly unworthy of any great attention. Yes, it's good, but so is eating, and sleeping, and taking a massive shit after eating a spicy burrito.... But at the end of the day, I'm not an animal--I'm a human being, and I see the distinguishing factor here to be our ability to master our animal natures and become something more. Yes, I eat, sleep, and fuck; I do those things, but I am not those things.

They do not occupy the preeminent places of my mind.

As such, when I see someone so absorbed in matters matters of sex, I see a hollow and primitive existence which I cannot respect. And it's not just trannies, I feel the same way about anyone who allows himself to be defined by his base impulses. For instance, bro's and ho's, fatties, serial killers, etc.

I don't presume to understand fully the mentality of everyone who has undergone gender transformation. I don't think it's accurate to say that everyone does so because they are consumed by sex. Perhaps they geniunly feel disturbed by their own person and undergoing this transformation will make them more comfortable and happy. If it makes them happy and doesn't hurt anyone else, then I don't mind. Live and let live.

GirlyMan
11-09-2011, 00:39
Gender is a pretty significant thing if it's an issue, imo. Gender isn't black and white in a lot of cases and can cause some serious emotional pain for various reasons when it's an issue.

I would question what a teenager knows about sex and gender and what life experience they have dealing with either and how far back that experience (or lack thereof) goes. Puberty can be a tough time for anyone and I would question the decisions made and/or conclusions reached by anyone struggling with gender identity issues in those times.

What were your experiences prior to puberty, I would ask, that made them question their gender, specifically.

The reason I ask is because so many trannies seem infatuated by the sexual identity of a female, and not the general identity of a female. They always seem to be posing half-nude on the internet and there's an fetish section of pornography dedicated to them.

Shaehl
11-09-2011, 00:41
I don't presume to understand fully the mentality of everyone who has undergone gender transformation. I don't think it's accurate to say that everyone does so because they are consumed by sex. Perhaps they geniunly feel disturbed by their own person and undergoing this transformation will make them more comfortable and happy. If it makes them happy and doesn't hurt anyone else, then I don't mind. Live and let live.

Indeed, live and let live. Doesn't mean I have to respect a perceived weakness on my part.

Apex Vertigo
11-09-2011, 00:43
there's an fetish section of pornography dedicated to them.

Name one category that there is not a fetish porn section for.

MattMystrieo
11-09-2011, 00:44
I'd like to pole her land.

Shaehl
11-09-2011, 00:44
serious emotional pain

Indicative of weakness. Understandable? Yes. Pitiable? Yes. Respectable? Not hardly.

alfaroverall
11-09-2011, 00:45
Complexity does not equal significance. Soap operas are complicated, rarely are they significant.

As for the guy asking if I would respect Ron Paul if he was fat, let me clarify: It's not the fat I condemn, but the self-destructive obsession with eating, and one's own fatness. In other words, I can't stand people whose world consists of nothing but gorging and lethargy.
It's pretty straightforward that at the very least gender is important; if you deny this then our definitions are too different for us to even discuss. When you consider how fundamentally sexuality gets intertwined with it (sexuality is more complicated than just whom you want to have sex with), sexuality is rendered important too.

Knowing a female-to-male a little bit personally (she was and he is a good friend of my sister), incidentally, I can say from personal experience that there exist people who were transsexual before they even knew what sex was about.

GirlyMan
11-09-2011, 00:47
Name one category that there is not a fetish porn section for.

No clue. Perhaps you could answer this for me?

Apex Vertigo
11-09-2011, 00:52
No clue. Perhaps you could answer this for me?

It's a trick question. There isn't one.

GirlyMan
11-09-2011, 00:53
Indicative of weakness. Understandable? Yes. Pitiable? Yes. Respectable? Not hardly.

Well, not everyone is Iron Man and I wouldn't respect someone who's actually struggling with something that is a very serious issue. I would respect them for getting over it.

I think a different set of emotions would come to play in those situations.

Styrr Chipatama
11-09-2011, 02:16
Guys, let's get back on topic: would you stick your dick in that ?
Thanks.

Umberto
11-09-2011, 02:35
Guys, let's get back on topic: would you stick your dick in that ?
Thanks.

If I didn't know it was a guy? Probably.

Eyrothath
11-09-2011, 02:48
I've tapped hot trannies before, Ellergy Sweet is among the hottest.. (Haven't tapped her) but I would bang her along with Kimber James, Sarena Valentina and Hazel Tucker..

Eyrothath
11-09-2011, 02:49
Am I the only one that freaks out over this? Jesus christ, any one of us could fall into that trap.

Holy shit.

There is many hot shemales that look like that.. I could hook you up wit one bro..

Styrr Chipatama
11-09-2011, 03:25
If I didn't know it was a guy? Probably.

At one time, if you go for intercourse, you'll see it has a dick.

Apex Vertigo
11-09-2011, 04:22
I've tapped hot trannies before, Ellergy Sweet is among the hottest.. (Haven't tapped her) but I would bang her along with Kimber James, Sarena Valentina and Hazel Tucker..

Yes we get it Eyro and you banged your cousin, do we need to go down this road again? Because I'm still scarred by that whole week.

Eyrothath
11-09-2011, 04:25
Yes we get it Eyro and you banged your cousin, do we need to go down this road again? Because I'm still scarred by that whole week.

Aww.. I have always considered you my #1 fan.

Irenor
11-09-2011, 04:49
I'm so confused now :(.

Am I the only one that freaks out over this? Jesus christ, any one of us could fall into that trap.

Holy shit.

Glad, I'm not the only confused guy here.

If I said "I'd tap that", would that be considered homosexuality? It's clearly a girl with male parts so that could enter into the "Heterosexual" category, but damn... (Yeah, I know it's a guy who went under treatment and not the opposite, but still). I don't know what to think anymore :confused:

Some traps are just unbelievable...

GirlyMan
11-09-2011, 04:57
Glad, I'm not the only confused guy here.

If I said "I'd tap that", would that be considered homosexuality? It's clearly a girl with male parts so that could enter into the "Heterosexual" category, but damn... (Yeah, I know it's a guy who went under treatment and not the opposite, but still). I don't know what to think anymore :confused:

Some traps are just unbelievable...

Depends what you have to offer monetarily likely. Most Trannies likely are "Lesbians" but would probably hump you if you had some cash to spend on them or provided them with drugs and so on..

Ausei
11-09-2011, 06:01
Depends what you have to offer monetarily likely. Most Trannies likely are "Lesbians" but would probably hump you if you had some cash to spend on them or provided them with drugs and so on..

pretty sure they would get the appropriate parts for fucking the appropriate sex. just sayin'.

GirlyMan
11-09-2011, 06:43
:idea:
pretty sure they would get the appropriate parts for fucking the appropriate sex. just sayin'.

Not necessarily. Prostitution is more successful with women-parts. Keeping the wang would be fulfilling a niche market.

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-09-2011, 07:41
At one time, if you go for intercourse, you'll see it has a dick.

they can make vaginas with surgery now.

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-09-2011, 07:42
Guys, let's get back on topic: would you stick your dick in that ?
Thanks.

which one?


Glad, I'm not the only confused guy here.

If I said "I'd tap that", would that be considered homosexuality? It's clearly a girl with male parts so that could enter into the "Heterosexual" category, but damn... (Yeah, I know it's a guy who went under treatment and not the opposite, but still). I don't know what to think anymore

Some traps are just unbelievable... pretty sure even with a beard (I doubt he/she ever got time to have much) he/she must have looked like a girl


Not necessarily. Prostitution is more successful with women-parts. Keeping the wang would be fulfilling a niche market. pretty sure that niche market is going to pay 3-4 time more

GirlyMan
11-09-2011, 08:12
pretty sure that niche market is going to pay 3-4 time more

Perhaps. I wouldn't know. Keeping the wang is also a good way to get murdered or severely beaten.

Personally, I've never understood violence in general or what thought processes lead to violence but if I found a dick in some chicks pants that would likely trigger some violent reaction; though hopefully more verbal than physical.

Plus having a dick wouldn't look too good in a bikini. Imagine going to the beach and seeing some chick with a schlong under her bikini? She could look like the hottest chick in the world otherwise but seriously.. well let's just say boly would my face be red if I were that chick with a schlong.

zato`1
11-09-2011, 08:29
i would punch him in the face if i found out. most guys would, because its another guy.

a guy misleads you into believing he is female. that deserves a right hook to the jaw at the very least.

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-09-2011, 08:50
i would punch him in the face if i found out. most guys would, because its another guy.

a guy misleads you into believing he is female. that deserves a right hook to the jaw at the very least.

I'm pretty sure trannies dont really live in the "normal world". Living in Montréal, I'd expect them to hang in the gay district. But honestly the only person close to a tranny I've ever seen is Mado Lamotte which is a drag queen fucking ugly at that and some people in a bus/metro I couldnt tell if they were male or female

Eyrothath
11-09-2011, 11:03
Doing a tranny is not gay if you are straight, it makes you open minded.. Happened to me, but there was a real female involved as well so I did both of them.. The tranny that tricked me was pretty damn hot.. Gay people do not do shemales cause you only like the image of a guy and not a woman, if a chick with a dick is all you go looking for, you might be bi though I myself will try anything at least ONCE and if I don't like it, I don't do it again.. Old women, fat women, guys, bears, emos.. Doesn't matter to me..

Here is some more models for you people still confused..

Kimber James (http://www.facebook.com/KimberJamesFans?sk=photos)
Hazel Tucker (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.218637668202403.55130.13668924639 7246&type=3)
Domino Presley (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.171724329532504.30405.17169877286 8393&type=3)
Lasia Lins (Brazillian Model) (http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Laisa-Lins-Fan-Page/154017941356631?sk=photos)

Fenman
11-09-2011, 11:07
Doing a tranny is not gay if you are straight, it makes you open minded.. Happened to me, but there was a real female involved as well so I did both of them.. The tranny that tricked me was pretty damn hot.. Gay people do not do shemales cause you only like the image of a guy and not a woman, if a chick with a dick is all you go looking for, you might be bi though I myself will try anything at least ONCE and if I don't like it, I don't do it again.. Old women, fat women, guys, bears, emos.. Doesn't matter to me..

Here is some more models for you people still confused..

Kimber James (http://www.facebook.com/KimberJamesFans?sk=photos)
Hazel Tucker (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.218637668202403.55130.13668924639 7246&type=3)
Domino Presley (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.171724329532504.30405.17169877286 8393&type=3)
Lasia Lins (Brazillian Model) (http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Laisa-Lins-Fan-Page/154017941356631?sk=photos)

Stop denying it, you are gay. If you are into fucking trannies, which are men with dicks, then you clearly aren't straight.

Eyrothath
11-09-2011, 11:12
Stop denying it, you are gay. If you are into fucking trannies, which are men with dicks, then you clearly aren't straight.

Clearly you are wrong.. That would be like saying fucking a female to male transgender is straight.. Here's one http://polkaostrich.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/buck-angel.jpg

If you are attracted to the IMAGE of a female, you are straight, if you are attracted to the image of a man, then you are gay.. Also if you are familiar at all with the porn industry, most guys who are doing straight porn are closet gays, they are either doing guys in private or escorting.. In gay porn it is just the opposite, most guys doing gay pornography are off screwing women off camera..

Fenman
11-09-2011, 11:18
Clearly you are wrong.. That would be like saying fucking a female to male transgender is straight.. Here's one http://polkaostrich.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/buck-angel.jpg

If you are attracted to the IMAGE of a female, you are straight, if you are attracted to the image of a man, then you are gay..

If you are attracted to a female with a dick, then clearly you have attraction for a dick.

Stop being in denial, I have nothing against homosexuals, but being in denial is just silly.

Eyrothath
11-09-2011, 11:23
If you are attracted to a female with a dick, then clearly you have attraction for a dick.

Stop being in denial, I have nothing against homosexuals, but being in denial is just silly.

I am attracted to women in general, I don't care what is there.. I've done both, believe me, it is not gay and they are not considered "men".. I would never DO a guy with a pussy either though, just like I would never do any other guy..

I prefer "real" women btw..

You're the one in denial, if you got tricked by a hot tranny I am positive you would continue on, you just won't admit it..

88Chaz88
11-09-2011, 11:24
Glad, I'm not the only confused guy here.

If I said "I'd tap that", would that be considered homosexuality? It's clearly a girl with male parts so that could enter into the "Heterosexual" category, but damn... (Yeah, I know it's a guy who went under treatment and not the opposite, but still). I don't know what to think anymore :confused:

Some traps are just unbelievable...

If it did make you "homosexual" (though with that logic it'd make you bi, unless you suddenly stopped being attracted to women) why does it matter?

Fenman
11-09-2011, 11:26
I am attracted to women in general, I don't care what is there.. I've done both, believe me, it is not gay and they are not considered "men".. I would never DO a guy with a pussy either though, just like I would never do any other guy..

I prefer "real" women btw..

If you prefer real women then why the hell you fuck men? The fundamental difference between both sexes is genitals.

Eyrothath
11-09-2011, 11:27
If you prefer real women then why the hell you fuck men? The fundamental difference between both sexes is genitals.

No.. It's not.. It is the way you look, act, talk, etc..

Fenman
11-09-2011, 11:45
Lol, no, sorry but that's a fail logic. So if a man dresses as woman, he is a woman? Lol no, he is still a man, dressed as a woman.

Also, it's not like there is not enough women around to be fucked, so if you enjoy fucking men who dress up like women, then you clearly aren't straight.

Eyrothath
11-09-2011, 11:47
Lol, no, sorry but that's a fail logic. So if a man dresses as woman, he is a woman? Lol no, he is still a man, dressed as a woman.

Also, it's not like there is not enough women around to be fucked, so if you enjoy fucking men who dress up like women, then you clearly aren't straight.

Transexuals are not cross-dressers dumbass..

Fenman
11-09-2011, 12:07
Transexuals are not cross-dressers dumbass..

They have dicks, right? And they dress as women, right?

alfaroverall
11-09-2011, 13:10
Doing a tranny is not gay if you are straight, it makes you open minded.. Happened to me, but there was a real female involved as well so I did both of them.. The tranny that tricked me was pretty damn hot.. Gay people do not do shemales cause you only like the image of a guy and not a woman, if a chick with a dick is all you go looking for, you might be bi though I myself will try anything at least ONCE and if I don't like it, I don't do it again.. Old women, fat women, guys, bears, emos.. Doesn't matter to me..

Here is some more models for you people still confused..

Kimber James (http://www.facebook.com/KimberJamesFans?sk=photos)
Hazel Tucker (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.218637668202403.55130.13668924639 7246&type=3)
Domino Presley (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.171724329532504.30405.17169877286 8393&type=3)
Lasia Lins (Brazillian Model) (http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Laisa-Lins-Fan-Page/154017941356631?sk=photos)
I can actually see the difference in facial bone structure in most of those, except Domino Presley. I probably couldn't if I weren't looking for it, but having seen it, it's a pretty major minus. Oddly I can't find the difference in facial bone structure in Ellery Sweet.

No.. It's not.. It is the way you look, act, talk, etc..
Actually, technically he's right. The difference between the *sexes* is genitals. The difference between *genders* is what you said. The distinction is quite important.

They have dicks, right? And they dress as women, right?
Cross-dressers don't take estrogen.

Fenman
11-09-2011, 13:14
Actually, technically he's right. The difference between the *sexes* is genitals. The difference between *genders* is what you said. The distinction is quite important.

Cross-dressers don't take estrogen.

So taking estrogen makes a man become a woman? Well that's interesting!

... and not true.

He still has a dick, and once he stops taking estrogen, his testostern levels will go back to normal.

If someone has a penis and balls, he is a man. Just because he may wear a pretty dress, tons of makeup, and take estrogen, doesn't change the fact that he is a man.

alfaroverall
11-09-2011, 13:19
So taking estrogen makes a man become a woman? Well that's interesting!

... and not true.

He still has a dick, and once he stops taking estrogen, his testostern levels will go back to normal.

If someone has a penis and balls, he is a man. Just because he may wear a pretty dress, tons of makeup, and take estrogen, doesn't change the fact that he is a man.
Depends what you mean by "is a man". From the perspective of gender, the person is a woman, because that's how they fit into society gender-role-wise. Dressing like a woman and taking estrogen alone does not make you a woman, no, not even from a gender standpoint. Fitting into society like one does.

From the perspective of biological sex, you're correct. Biological sex is a really narrow-minded view of the subject, however.

My "crossdressers don't take estrogen" comment, by the way, was a blunt distinction between crossdressers and transgender people, not an argument as to why transgender people are actually for most intents and purposes their chosen gender.

Eyrothath
11-09-2011, 13:39
Well let's take a look at Kim Petras shall we? Started taking hormones at the age of 13 and at the age of 16, got an operation done (meaning she has no penis anymore.)

http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/1974717/Kim+Petras/

She's 19 now..

A more recent pic..

http://desmaenok.silverhalogenide.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/KimPetras_thumb.jpg

Sqarak
11-09-2011, 13:54
Stop denying it, you are gay. If you are into fucking trannies, which are men with dicks, then you clearly aren't straight.

You clearly do not understand the ways of Forumfall:

- Ron Paul
- Libertarian
- Trannies are hawt
- Beewbz

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-09-2011, 14:10
Domino Presley (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.171724329532504.30405.17169877286 8393&type=3)

she's hot Kimber James is fucking ugly. Everything in he/she is surgery changed.


If you prefer real women then why the hell you fuck men? The fundamental difference between both sexes is genitals. why does a straight man wants to fuck a girl in the ass sometime? What makes you gay when the tranny is looking exactly like a girl except for the dong if you're not sucking it or getting fucked by it? Explain that to me.



I can actually see the difference in facial bone structure in most of those. I probably couldn't if I weren't looking for it, but having seen it, it's a pretty major minus. Oddly I can't find the difference in facial bone structure in Ellery Sweet. you would probably not see it in real though.



So taking estrogen makes a man become a woman? Well that's interesting!

... and not true.

He still has a dick, and once he stops taking estrogen, his testostern levels will go back to normal.

If someone has a penis and balls, he is a man. Just because he may wear a pretty dress, tons of makeup, and take estrogen, doesn't change the fact that he is a man.In the case of Ellery Sweet, she's also taking testosterone blockers, according to one of her video, her balls and dick shrinked, she cums dry and even her bone formation changed.

Irenor
11-09-2011, 14:12
Actually, technically he's right. The difference between the *sexes* is genitals. The difference between *genders* is what you said. The distinction is quite important.


Well the distinction isn't as black and white anymore with sex change being possible. And in the case of hermaphrodite, how does one determine what gender is the baby? (since they make that decision at birth usually...or at least used to)

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-09-2011, 14:21
Well the distinction isn't as black and white anymore with sex change being possible. And in the case of hermaphrodite, how does one determine what gender is the baby? (since they make that decision at birth usually...or at least used to)

I saw an article in news when I was younger, the guy was an hermaphrodite they made him a boy (the parents) as a child, but when he got holder, he was obviously a girl so he had to go through surgery again.

Irenor
11-09-2011, 15:27
I saw an article in news when I was younger, the guy was an hermaphrodite they made him a boy (the parents) as a child, but when he got holder, he was obviously a girl so he had to go through surgery again.

That's why I wrote that in my comment. I'm not 100% of this but I believe Doctors are now required to just leave both sex there and wait for the kid to mature to finally decide what sex the kid would be or they might just be required to discuss with the parents on the decision to take (whether to remove an organ and decide the kid's sex or let the kid find out and change his sex when he's older). Must be tough decision to make though.

Styrr Chipatama
11-09-2011, 15:36
First off, Hazel tucker is fucking ugleh.


which one?
Any of those, as long as it's a tranny that looks like a hawt girl.

Also, if you see the Adam's apple on a women, run.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laryngeal_prominence

Ziegler
11-09-2011, 15:55
The few that go the other way (female to male) usually have some sort of congenital condition.

Would Chastity Bono's congenital condition be that she had Sonny and Cher as parents?

88Chaz88
11-09-2011, 16:01
Also, if you see the Adam's apple on a women, run.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laryngeal_prominence

Natural women can have Adam's apples too y'know.

alfaroverall
11-09-2011, 16:03
Well the distinction isn't as black and white anymore with sex change being possible. And in the case of hermaphrodite, how does one determine what gender is the baby? (since they make that decision at birth usually...or at least used to)
True, the distinction is a little bit subtle when sex changes are possible. Still, you cannot deny that these people's gender is not male. By contrast, it is not necessary for someone to identify as a gender other than the one corresponding to your birth sex to crossdress. Whether these people change *sex*, or when exactly they change sex, is a matter of debate. Whether they change gender is not a matter of debate, and when they change gender is a moot point, because gender is more gray than black and white anyway.

Styrr Chipatama
11-09-2011, 16:13
Natural women can have Adam's apples too y'know.

But not as proeminent as male.

GirlyMan
11-09-2011, 18:43
Well the distinction isn't as black and white anymore with sex change being possible. And in the case of hermaphrodite, how does one determine what gender is the baby? (since they make that decision at birth usually...or at least used to)

Hermaphrodites are extremely rare, and even if you have a hermaphrodite 99.9% of the time it's simply tissue from the opposite gender and not the whole kit n kaboodle. For example you would have testicular tissue on your ovary.

When you are dealing an intersex baby (the ones who are generally assigned) it's usually clear cut. A female will still be female with an enlarged clitoris and something resembling a scrotum but no testes - they would be assigned female. Much less common scenarios there are males born with what appears to be a vagina (due to lack of androgens) but they won't have any ovaries. They would generally be assigned female because.. well, it would be a little complicated.. reconstructing a penis is extremely expensive and complicated.

Also, if you are intersex, you can undergo hormone replacement and such things much easier because you aren't considered to have gender dysphoria which is what a transsexual would be diagnosed with.

Basically it depends. You can also simply wait and see which gender your child is identifying with before you make any decisions. (It's better than what it used to be - they used to just take your baby and assign them)

GirlyMan
11-09-2011, 18:46
Would Chastity Bono's congenital condition be that she had Sonny and Cher as parents?

spoiled

Weeking
11-09-2011, 18:59
Also, if you are intersex, you can undergo hormone replacement and such things much easier because you aren't considered to have gender dysphoria which is what a transsexual would be diagnosed with.

Basically it depends. You can also simply wait and see which gender your child is identifying with before you make any decisions. (It's better than what it used to be - they used to just take your baby and assign them)

They should just keep the messed up genitalia and save the public money while allowing for a prosperous carrier for the kid, when it grows up, in porn or prostitution, or just the opportunity to marry rich people that have a thing for that and/or are bisexual.