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Fenman
11-03-2011, 15:51
A 10-year-old boy charged with murdering his father at their home in California was being exposed to his father's extreme neo-Nazi ideology of racism and violence at the time he allegedly turned a gun against him.

Evidence is mounting that Jeff Hall, 32, a white supremacist who led the National Socialist Movement in the south-west of the US, was involving his son in neo-Nazi activities before his death on 1 May.

A possible link between the group's violent messages and the shooting – an act exceptionally rare for a child as young as 10 – could be an important factor in the boy's trial.

Police were called to the Halls' home in Riverside, California, outside Los Angeles, shortly after 4am last Sunday, where they found Hall dead on a sofa. He had been shot with the family handgun.

Hall used his home as the headquarters of the NSM, one of America's largest and most influential neo-Nazi groups. A reporter for the New York Times witnessed Hall preaching race hatred at a meeting in front of the boy, his eldest of five children, a day before the shooting. Hall told the newspaper he was teaching the boy how to use a gun as well as night-vision gear and had given him a belt bearing Nazi SS insignia.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, which monitors extreme right-wing groups, the NSM has a track record of recruiting very young children into its activities that surpasses that of any other organisation in the US. The party has created a children's wing called Viking Youth Corps, which is open to boys and girls with the proviso that they must be of European descent and the offspring of NSM members, or have their parents' consent.

The boy, unnamed by authorities due to his age, will be tried in a juvenile court. The local paper, the Press-Enterprise, described him as a "shaggy blond-haired, small, skinny, baby-faced boy". His defence lawyer indicated that he might pursue a plea of not guilty for reasons of insanity.

The boy's parents had been through a bitter divorce, and Hall and his former wife, Leticia Neal, had accused each other of abusing the child. The family has been monitored by social services since 2003.

The NSM was founded in 1994 and has grown in prominence over seven years. It now has about 400 members in 32 states. It advocates open race hatred, calling for the expatriation of all non-whites in America, and preaching antisemitism. Until 2007 its members wore Nazi uniforms with swastika armbands, but now wear black battle dress.

Hall, a plumber, was a prominent party member, involved in vigilantism along the Mexican border, organising patrols hunting illegal migrants. His house regularly attracted anti-racist protesters and he had put surveillance cameras on the property's exterior walls to keep guard on them. Hall's ashes are expected to be scattered along the Mexican border as a final political statement.

Jeff Schoep, NSM leader, described the dead man on the movement's website as a "dedicated father, his children were his life". He added: "See you in Valhalla!"

The gun he used to shoot his father was legal, one of many in the house.

Bissen
11-03-2011, 15:55
The gun he used to shoot his father was legal, one of many in the house.Lets ban guns right? Or... Mr daddy got what he deserved for not locking up his guns and treating the boys mom like trash?

Also. Isn't this months old? Sure we had this up before.

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 15:56
Lets ban guns right? Or... Mr daddy got what he deserved for not locking up his guns and treating the boys mom like trash?

Also. Isn't this months old? Sure we had this up before.

I agree, the guy got what he deserved by treating his family like trash.

On the other hand, I commend the guy for taking the time to go down and hunt illegals. If only we had the military down there doing the job the border patrol is not allowed to do.

Fenman
11-03-2011, 15:57
Lets ban guns right? Or... Mr daddy got what he deserved for not locking up his guns and treating the boys mom like trash?

Also. Isn't this months old? Sure we had this up before.

I'm all for responsibly owning guns, don't take me wrong.

Clearly the gun was easily accessible to the boy and that is the issue at hand.

I wanted also show that legal guns are used in crimes as well, and not only by mexicans.

You could wonder how many mexicans were murdered on the border by that man.

Darkcloudd
11-03-2011, 15:58
It's America, what do u expect?

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 16:01
You could wonder how many illegals were stopped on the border by that man.

Not enough, they are still streaming over. Apparently the message didnt get out.

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 16:03
Feman, dont forget...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwf3ybMgjVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deFpdJC1f2k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXx4T9wZNzk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU_uJfHXVv8&feature=related

Open borders, we should have them.

Beeblebrox
11-03-2011, 16:07
My condolences to EE and his family in this difficult time.

88Chaz88
11-03-2011, 16:09
EE;5204898']Feman, dont forget...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwf3ybMgjVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deFpdJC1f2k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXx4T9wZNzk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU_uJfHXVv8&feature=related

Open borders, we should have them.

If things are so bad why don't you move? Seriously, everything you post makes the U.S. seem like a massive shit hole.

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 16:12
If things are so bad why don't you move? Seriously, everything you post makes the U.S. seem like it is turning into a massive shit hole.

Fixed it for you.

And be like the illegals and run from the problem instead of fixing it? Running from a problem doesnt fix the problem.

88Chaz88
11-03-2011, 16:16
EE;5204905']Fixed it for you.

And be like the illegals and run from the problem instead of fixing it? Running from a problem doesnt fix the problem.

But running from the problem means you never have to deal with it.

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 16:19
But running from the problem means you never have to deal with it.

Doesnt make the problem go away.

You cant wish, hope and pray the problem away, if you could, Obama would no longer be in office.

Running isnt serving Mexico or the other southern countries well.

Jimmyhat
11-03-2011, 16:21
"See you in Valhalla!"

Yeah, no fatso american nazi will get to valhalla.

88Chaz88
11-03-2011, 16:23
EE;5204920']Doesnt make the problem go away.

You cant wish, hope and pray the problem away, if you could, Obama would no longer be in office.

Running isnt serving Mexico or the other southern countries well.

So? You'd be sipping wine while watching French porn and stroking your completely legal firearm in Switzerland.

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 16:26
So? You'd be sipping wine while watching French porn and stroking your completely legal firearm in Switzerland.

I dont drink wine or any alcohol, I dont like french porn, hairy mime women dont do it for me, if by stroking my firearm you mean penis, then yes but not to Swiss chicks, not a fan on the blondes, I like darker hair.

StainlessSteelRat
11-03-2011, 16:32
If things are so bad why don't you move? Seriously, everything you post makes the U.S. seem like a massive shit hole.

I dunno, probably b/c other countries, like Mexico, have strict immigration laws that they enforce.

88Chaz88
11-03-2011, 16:38
EE;5204934']I dont drink wine or any alcohol, I dont like french porn, hairy mime women dont do it for me, if by stroking my firearm you mean penis, then yes but not to Swiss chicks, not a fan on the blondes, I like darker hair.

Then just drive down in your German made car to Italy and pick up chicks, maybe get a decent suit or two while you're there.

88Chaz88
11-03-2011, 16:40
I dunno, probably b/c other countries, like Mexico, have strict immigration laws that they enforce.

If you're white it's not that hard to emigrate. In fact it's harder to get into the U.S. than out.

Speaking from personal experience here.

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 16:43
I dunno, probably b/c other countries, like Mexico, have strict immigration laws that they enforce.

Mexico's immigration laws are much, much stricter than that of the US. Its funny how they cry about out lax laws and yet someone from Guatemala cant immigrate into Mexico because they are worthless to the Mexican economy.

Fenman
11-03-2011, 16:49
EE;5204966']Mexico's immigration laws are much, much stricter than that of the US. Its funny how they cry about out lax laws and yet someone from Guadalajara cant immigrate into Mexico because they are worthless to the Mexican economy.

Guadalajara is a city in Mexico, dumbnut.

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 16:59
Guadalajara is a city in Mexico, dumbnut.

Was supposed to say Guatemala but my predictive text switched it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPm_TEQ0PA

Ziegler
11-03-2011, 18:30
The gun he used to shoot his father was legal, one of many in the house.



No linkage to the story? WTF man..learn how to link.

Fenman
11-03-2011, 18:43
No linkage to the story? WTF man..learn how to link.

Who cares? I will link when I want to, you can learn to google in mean time.

Ziegler
11-03-2011, 18:45
Who cares? I will link when I want to, you can learn to google in mean time.

ok...we can play that way.
I'll assume anything you post like this without a link to be pure bulshit and will treat it as such.


Notice when anybody else posts this kind of shit, we post a link back to the story. Since your ass cant be bothered to provide a link back to the publishers article you are copying, I wont be bothered to take it seriously.

Kusghuul
11-03-2011, 18:45
EE;5204934']I dont drink wine or any alcohol, I dont like french porn, hairy mime women dont do it for me, if by stroking my firearm you mean penis, then yes but not to Swiss chicks, not a fan on the blondes, I like darker hair.

God damn racist!

Wufiavelli
11-03-2011, 18:48
EE;5204898']Feman, dont forget...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwf3ybMgjVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deFpdJC1f2k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXx4T9wZNzk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU_uJfHXVv8&feature=related

Open borders, we should have them.

So your answer is to hunt and kill the people coming here to do cleaning jobs.

Having military shooting Illegals is like killing a 10 year old for shop lifting. Its a punishment that far exceeds the crime.

Esudar
11-03-2011, 18:51
man i so wish i was black :(

paade
11-03-2011, 18:54
EE;5204966']Mexico's immigration laws are much, much stricter than that of the US. Its funny how they cry about out lax laws and yet someone from Guatemala cant immigrate into Mexico because they are worthless to the Mexican economy.

this is news to me. I mean, why would anyone like to move to Mexico? Isnt that like one of the biggest shitpools in the world?

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 18:54
So your answer is to hunt and kill the people coming here to do cleaning jobs.

Having military shooting Illegals is like killing a 10 year old for shop lifting. Its a punishment that far exceeds the crime.

A child shop lifting is different than the billions stolen from the tax payers of a single state due to the flash rob from another country.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/columnists/article_e5c38ba0-2b45-11e0-aeb7-001cc4c002e0.html



Earlier this month at Washington, D.C.'s National Press Club the State Legislators for Legal Immigration, a coalition of legislators from 40 states, unveiled its strategy to end the policy of giving automatic citizenship to all children born in the United States regardless of their parents' immigration status.

Led by Pennsylvania State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, the organization timed its press conference with the 112th Congress' swearing in ceremony. The group hoped to send the message to Congress that it needs to seriously address one of illegal immigration's root causes, namely birthright citizenship.

Among developed western nations, as defined by the World Bank, only Canada and the United States still grant automatic citizenship at birth to anyone born on their soil.

Referring to possible legislation that would end birthright citizenship by requiring that at least one parent be either a citizen or a legal permanent resident, Metcalfe said: "According to the 14th Amendment, the primary requirements for U.S. citizenship are dependent on total allegiance to America, not mere physical geography. The purpose of this model legislation is to restore the original intent of the 14th Amendment, which is currently being misapplied and is encouraging illegal aliens to cross and cost American taxpayers $113 billion annually, or nearly $1,117 yearly per individual taxpayer."

Curiously, California is not among the 40 states represented among the concerned legislators. The state and its largest city, Los Angeles, have suffered fiscally and environmentally more than anywhere in America from the consequences of illegal immigration and legal citizen anchor babies.

According to the Department of Homeland Security's most recent available statistics, about 2.6 million illegal aliens live in California. In Los Angeles County, the nation's largest county with a population of 9.8 million, about 54 percent (5.3 million) speak a language other than English.

According to L.A. County Supervisor Michael Antonovich, in 2010 the "total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers" was more than $1.6 billion including food stamps and benefits from CalWorks, a comprehensive welfare program.

Antonovich added that welfare benefits for the children of illegal immigrants (anchor babies) cost Los Angeles County more than $600 million last year, "not including the hundreds of millions of dollars for education."

Yet education is by far the most expensive illegal alien entitlement. For Antonovich to leave it out of his calculation is like omitting your monthly mortgage from your family expenses.

Had Antonovich included immigrant education costs, he could have added a staggering $3 billion to the taxpayers' tab.

The California Department of Education's website shows that K-12 schools included as part of Los Angeles County's districts had 410,000 non-English speakers enrolled during the 2009-2010 academic year. Nearly 90 percent (369,000) list Spanish as their native language.

The inescapable conclusion is that most Los Angeles County non-English speakers come from Mexico or Central America and are either illegal immigrants or their citizen children.

Using a conservative average annual cost of $7,500 per student, the estimated education dollar total for those illegal immigrants and anchor babies is $2.8 billion. Added to Antonovich's $1.6 billion welfare costs, the aggregate bill is $4.4 billion -- in Los Angeles alone! Statewide, the sum approaches a staggering $10 billion.

California is such a mess with its $25 billion deficit and 12.5 percent unemployment that ignoring the obvious costs associated with illegal immigration is folly. Cutting teacher salaries and closing libraries, as Gov. Jerry Brown proposes, won't eliminate a multi-billion dollar debt. But discouraging illegal immigration by eliminating one of its biggest magnets, automatic birthright citizenship, will.

Wufiavelli
11-03-2011, 19:07
EE;5205172']A child shop lifting is different than the billions stolen from the tax payers of a single state due to the flash rob from another country.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/columnists/article_e5c38ba0-2b45-11e0-aeb7-001cc4c002e0.html

Anchor babies are citizens by law just like you and me. If you want to change the law sure go through the process. But till it is change all those born on US soil are Americans.

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 19:10
this is news to me. I mean, why would anyone like to move to Mexico? Isnt that like one of the biggest shitpools in the world?

Because believe it or not, as much of a shit hole that Mexico is, the country south of them are even more of a shit hole and they dont want the parasites from the south of them coming over to stay and steal jobs that Mexicans could be doing. In fact, its a big problem in Mexico with Guatemalans taking jobs at below Mexican wages.

Bissen
11-03-2011, 19:12
man i so wish i was black :(
Small penis?

[LoD] EE
11-03-2011, 19:12
Anchor babies are citizens by law just like you and me. If you want to change the law sure go through the process. But till it is change all those born on US soil are Americans.

If the amendment was followed as it should be, they would not be Citizens.

Ziegler
11-03-2011, 19:17
Anchor babies are citizens by law just like you and me. If you want to change the law sure go through the process. But till it is change all those born on US soil are Americans.

And America and Canada are the only industrialized nations that still allow this.

Way past time to end Jus Soli.

Esudar
11-03-2011, 19:29
Small penis?

there was a time when i tought my penis is too big to have sex

Bissen
11-03-2011, 19:30
there was a time when i tought my penis is too big to have sex

But then you had sex with a midget that told you otherwise?

Lando
11-03-2011, 19:31
EE;5205192']Because believe it or not, as much of a shit hole that Mexico is, the country south of them are even more of a shit hole

and who fucked them up, again and again in the last century? :sly:

About mexico, as one of their politicas once said "we are living next to the biggest drug consumer and biggest weapon dealer, and thats our problem" :rolleyes:

Esudar
11-03-2011, 19:31
But then you had sex with a midget that told you otherwise?

yes. amazing what the female genital can put away, isnt it

Fenman
11-04-2011, 11:43
ok...we can play that way.
I'll assume anything you post like this without a link to be pure bulshit and will treat it as such.


Notice when anybody else posts this kind of shit, we post a link back to the story. Since your ass cant be bothered to provide a link back to the publishers article you are copying, I wont be bothered to take it seriously.

Then assume what you want lol. Nobody is forcing you to read my threads. Clearly even an idiot can rebuke your assumption with 30sec google search.

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-04-2011, 12:31
EE;5204889']I agree, the guy got what he deserved by treating his family like trash.

On the other hand, I commend the guy for taking the time to go down and hunt illegals. If only we had the military down there doing the job the border patrol is not allowed to do.

you're commending the work of neo-nazis.

Fenman
11-04-2011, 12:38
you're commending the work of neo-nazis.

Surprised?

He also said in another thread that he is willing to murder women and children if it's to stop them from coming over the border.

Ragnarok Delrhe
11-04-2011, 12:44
Surprised?

He also said in another thread that he is willing to murder women and children if it's to stop them from coming over the border.

nope.

Hydrogenium
11-04-2011, 12:57
EE;5204905']
And be like the illegals and run from the problem instead of fixing it? Running from a problem doesnt fix the problem.

Wouldn't that be true of your ancestors as well? Or are you native american?

[LoD] EE
11-04-2011, 13:55
Wouldn't that be true of your ancestors as well? Or are you native american?

I am part Native American, not a whole lot though, not enough to get free money from the government.

[LoD] EE
11-04-2011, 13:55
Surprised?

He also said in another thread that he is willing to murder women and children if it's to stop them from coming over the border.

When you have two choices, them or us, you usually dont pick yourself.

lamer2tm
11-04-2011, 14:02
The gun he used to shoot his father was legal, one of many in the house.

He is 10 and he is going to court?!?! wtf is up with that country, that is gonna scar him even more so than his hilbilly redneck chickenshit father did.

[LoD] EE
11-04-2011, 14:06
He is 10 and he is going to court?!?! wtf is up with that country, that is gonna scar him even more so than his hilbilly redneck chickenshit father did.

Court isnt that scary at 10. I went to court at 10 to be a witness against someone, it was not scary at all. In fact the Judge and everyone were really nice.

Fenman
11-04-2011, 14:11
EE;5206071']Court isnt that scary at 10. I went to court at 10 to be a witness against someone, it was not scary at all. In fact the Judge and everyone were really nice.

This pretty much.

When I was 12 I was going through courts to get U.S. citizenship, since I was still a filthy illegal. It was after I was arrested at LAX and thrown into jouvie for 2 weeks for illegally attending school. My family sent me to live with my father in US who was already naturalized years before. I was a such a bad boy, EE would have problem shot me because I was illegally attending school, even thought it clearly wasn't my choice.

Overall even 2 weeks in the hall wasn't bad. People were nice and I was grouped with other kids with immigration issues.

lamer2tm
11-04-2011, 14:22
This pretty much.

When I was 12 I was going through courts to get U.S. citizenship, since I was still a filthy illegal. It was after I was arrested at LAX and thrown into jouvie for 2 weeks for illegally attending school. My family sent me to live with my father in US who was already naturalized years before. I was a such a bad boy, EE would have problem shot me because I was illegally attending school, even thought it clearly wasn't my choice.

Overall even 2 weeks in the hall wasn't bad. People were nice and I was grouped with other kids with immigration issues.

Guys erhm where you on trial for murdering your father?

Then i dont see how that can even compare?

I dont get why a 10 year old should have a trial at all, he clearly doesnt have anything to say why put him in it?

What kind of justice is that?

Father learns kid to shoot and hate different kinds of ppl, then kid kills father while playing with the very same firearm.

This should just have passed and the traumatised son should have gotten some help instead of correcting him.

But that is the problem with the US humans are worth shit and a good story is worth more, god im ashamed that the biggest power in the world cant even do simple humanistic things.

Why the hell do you even have guns!?

So many things could have been avoided if americans just werent overall ignorant.

Ziegler
11-04-2011, 14:49
This pretty much.

When I was 12 I was going through courts to get U.S. citizenship, since I was still a filthy illegal. It was after I was arrested at LAX and thrown into jouvie for 2 weeks for illegally attending school. My family sent me to live with my father in US who was already naturalized years before. I was a such a bad boy, EE would have problem shot me because I was illegally attending school, even thought it clearly wasn't my choice.

Overall even 2 weeks in the hall wasn't bad. People were nice and I was grouped with other kids with immigration issues.

so the important question....did you get citizenship....

cause you are a shining example of why we shouldnt be giving citizeship to illegals kids. It's pretty obvious from your posts that you hate america and are not loyal to it or it's beliefs.

Fenman
11-04-2011, 14:51
so the important question....did you get citizenship....

cause you are a shining example of why we shouldnt be giving citizeship to illegals kids. It's pretty obvious from your posts that you hate america and are not loyal to it or it's beliefs.

Yes, I have citizenship, and I hate US so much that I will be voting for Ron Paul, want enforced borders and I'm pro responsible gun owning.

I also definately hate America because I simply hate racist and ignorant idiots and I'm against hate crime and murder of women and children. I HATE AMERICA!

Good job sir!

Clueless idiot.

88Chaz88
11-04-2011, 14:58
so the important question....did you get citizenship....

cause you are a shining example of why we shouldnt be giving citizeship to illegals kids. It's pretty obvious from your posts that you hate america and are not loyal to it or it's beliefs.

Loyal to America's beliefs? America shouldn't have any beliefs.

Jesus, this kind of shit is what happens when you have a country founded by nutcases fleeing religious tolerance.

lamer2tm
11-04-2011, 15:36
Loyal to America's beliefs? America shouldn't have any beliefs.

Jesus, this kind of shit is what happens when you have a country founded by nutcases fleeing religious tolerance.

Well said.

The americans still live high on "we saved your ass in the second world" but they just forgot to account for the last 60 years of fucking every other country in the ass.

Selling weapons to each sides of wars, making billions on poor people, fucking their own health sector.

USA land of the free & poor indeed..

lamer2tm
11-04-2011, 15:37
Loyal to America's beliefs? America shouldn't have any beliefs.

Jesus, this kind of shit is what happens when you have a country founded by nutcases fleeing religious tolerance.

bwahaha and what belief is that ?

Big macs and coke?

70% large ppl?

Guns for everyone?

Bad schools with metal detectors?

Religious cults ripping of the average joe?

Yes im glad im not living in that shithole.

Muscalu
11-04-2011, 15:42
I guess this (http://mybfolder.org/albums/userpics/10001/60177647b2dry0.jpg) would be appropriate, been saving it for some time.

Fenman
11-04-2011, 16:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

xKeiji
11-04-2011, 16:37
EE;5204934']I dont drink wine or any alcohol, I dont like french porn, hairy mime women dont do it for me, if by stroking my firearm you mean penis, then yes but not to Swiss chicks, not a fan on the blondes, I like darker hair.

Shows that you are one of the many dumb americans that cant tell the diffrence between switzerland and sweden