Christmas passes and the fanbois lose.

[Scarecrowz]

Well bois? What do you all have to say?

This is not a provacative thread I'm merely starting up discussion.

So, we add another year to darkfalls long winded development stage. We all saw the cries of "I bet we get it by christmas!!!". Well, thats passed. Anyone want to take bets we won't even recieve an update until 07?

[Goty]

I think there will at least be a post by a dev somewhere, but I doubt it'll be a development update.

[Blue58]

Darkfail misses another date.. and the beat goes on...

[Forgivance]

I would like to say, "I hope, and pray, on the Christmas day, with Jebus looking on from his wee manger....that your family, especially any children you may have, die...I hope it's slow and painful and you are stuck watching thier wee faces light up a ruddy hue due to blood flowing into them they way it does when you scream in horrid anticipation of a welcome death.

I likewise don't really give a shit, so it missed x-mas...no one truely expects much until mid 07 anyway...

[Ferox]

I cant honestly remember if the devs EVER did anything for christmas... I dont think they did, maybe last year, I dunno, I wasnt paying much attention then.


I'm not bothering to think of dates. I remember back in the day when I ran "TWW" and then df warcry I always use to have betting pools of " when will beta come out by" and people would pick dates.

suffice it to say I never had to give out any prizes.. ROFL.


Doma and I were talking the other day about how It will probably be another two years atleast. I still eagerly await DF but man the longer they wait the worse off they will be imo, as time goes by and technologies advance.

[Suitepee]

They said 'by the end of the year'. Ambitiously.
And 2006 ain't over yet.

[Ferox]

Ambitiously.

yeah... that basically describes it hehe..


I wouldnt expect anything except a few screenshots in March. I consider myself a Realist, not a pecimist ,when it comes to Darkfall PR. We can only go by what we have seen in the past... unless they truely suprise us.

[UtbildadNinja]

unless they truely suprise us.

Lets hope they do ^^

[Ferox]

Lets hope they do ^^


If you want to hold your breath.. i'll start counting.. I'd make a will though :)

[Trigon]

still Christmas here...

[Leric]

I say mid 07 but you never know. would be funny however if i visited the forums tomorrow and BAM Beta In progress.

[Enoch[LoR]]

I say mid 07 but you never know. would be funny however if i visited the forums tomorrow and BAM the game's been cancelled.

This is more likely.

[keeperofstars]

lol lets just all face fanboy or df hater.

its our only pray so we take anything we can get or not get.

[Sorcerer]

summer '07 anyone? =p

[Ferox]

summer '07 anyone? =p

for about two years now I've said - December 21st 2012

Im sticking with it.

[DeadPan]

The devs did not say something would happen on christmas eve or day.

[Norse]

I have been trained to hope not expect, well i do expect more waiting.

[Khumash-Gor]

tomorrow

[PainlessDeath]

I dont understand why you are all in such a hurry to die by my hand?!? If such is the desire of your masochistic nature, by all means simply fall on your collective swords. I promise it would be less painful than my own hand!

[Shadow Walker2020]

Well bois? What do you all have to say?

This is not a provacative thread I'm merely starting up discussion.

So, we add another year to darkfalls long winded development stage. We all saw the cries of "I bet we get it by christmas!!!". Well, thats passed. Anyone want to take bets we won't even recieve an update until 07?

Fan bois? No no, the fan bois arent the only ones who lost out with this one. We all lost out. The fan bois arent the only ones who want to play Darkfall. Everyone here wants to play Darkfall, and by it not being released by Christmas, we have all lost.

[Airius Droc]

This is from last year...

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=17219

Note the date, 12-29-05. Chill out.

[xracer]

wasnt wow in production as when darkfall was?

[Ferox]

This is from last year...

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=17219

Note the date, 12-29-05. Chill out.

I remember that... man I want to have a nice hut in wherever that snow covered land is :P. If there is an ice island like there was in UO im definitly there.

[SlingShot]

wasnt wow in production as when darkfall was?

Who knows... You have to remember that Darkfall took a little break mid-production, plus Darkfall was being talked about almost right as it started being developed. I don't really reecall, but I don't think Blizzard pulled any publicity stuff 'til they had something under their belt... For all you *really* know, WoW was in production months, or years before they ever told us it was. It isn't like I'm just going on a hunch with that one, rumor of a Diablo MMO was floating around a little while back, and it was said that Blizzard didn't want people to know about it 'til they released Burning Crusade. Who knows. If they start beta this year, they better not do account creation New Year's Eve, I have to work! :-x

[Shadow Walker2020]

I remember that... man I want to have a nice hut in wherever that snow covered land is :P. If there is an ice island like there was in UO im definitly there.

Then you're looking for realestate on the subcontinent of Niflheim (http://www.darkfallonline.com/world_lore/niflheim.html). Its just like the arctic isle from UO.

[tobyk100]

I must say, I thought there would be something today. But hope is not lost, New Years is coming. I'll just stay in bed till the Beta comes out, I dont want to do anything else.

[Ferox]

Then you're looking for realestate on the subcontinent of Niflheim (http://www.darkfallonline.com/world_lore/niflheim.html). Its just like the arctic isle from UO.



well thats a.. BIG island hehe.. but yeah theres some nice smaller islands on that map to settle a nice town in ehhe.

I had not seen that map in so long I forgot about that island hehe.

[ObsiDian_Osiris]

beta plz

[OmniusDaNgel]

Give us a rough estimate for beta release?

[Ferox]

Give us a rough estimate for beta release?

hheheh..hahaha...heheh


december 21st, 2012

[Satan]

if theres no target release/beta date or something extremely good by the end of the year im not gonna follow the game anymore or play it if it comes out.

losing me as a fan is a major setback to darkfalls success

[Norse]

if theres no target release/beta date or something extremely good by the end of the year im not gonna follow the game anymore or play it if it comes out.

losing me as a fan is a major setback to darkfalls success

I look for a beta before the end of the year now, im convinced.

[APEist]

damn, 5 years.

i feel for ya. dunno if your loss of support would affect df's long term outcome though heh. that is if df ever comes out, which i doubt.

[OmniusDaNgel]

I've followed darkfall from about the same time but never felt inclined to use the forums until now. Suddenly decided it might be funny to say I have a reg date for forums thats pre-beta

[End Dream]

atleast i have my guildwars until it comes out which it will... dec 21st 2012

[Darkmatter]

All I've wanted all along was a continuing/regular community-developer interaction. That was one of the aspects that made DF so nice to follow. People following the project were talked to as equals in dreaming of a great new mmorpg - not as customers or rivals spying. In my opinion the newer "strategy", if we can even call it that, has ruined my impression of the team. Claus among others has been silenced. The wait is always understandable. They want to make this product the best it can be before releasing or even testing it. The wait was never the main issue. It is the ongoing total lack of respect for those choosing to show their support and belief in their project. Posterior to moving to Greece; Almost as if: "They do not pay, so lets just keep them on low rations for now". Their excuses of being too busy to communicate is not good enough, and has never really been accepted as a valid reason for not interacting. That is not the way to act "professional" either. Let that be said.

Every post has to be carefully written and planned, and performed in a professional manner and it has to contain DF related official statements, or else it is not suitable for a developers to say anything? To stimulate a discussion, to give incentives for discussion and ideas, polling the community, to ask how we feel things are going, what we want, if we can help in any way or to simply just socialize and show you're around when you've got a minute to post? It's not a priority any more? It's not benefitial, or fruitful enough?

If this doesn't radically change somehow within the month of January 2007, I'll stop posting here too. It seems to work just fine for the developers. Maybe I had the contacts within a major European hardware provider looking to sponsor DF with the latest tech server parks once a beta version materialized, maybe I had the ideas to truely nudge DF further into the ranks of the new-gen classics to come? They'll never know.

I'll rather be pleasantly surprised walking in a software store some time in the future than waste my time on continuing a daily involvement with a game and a team who can't dedicate 5 minutes a day to us in return. To us. Not third-party sites. We're here on the official Darkfall Online boards using the Off-topic section quite often too, remember us?

Preparing the O'so well known passive lurker mode.

[kuntakintay]

we will get it new years day duh!!

why do you spell it bois?? it does sound funny though

[enoofu]

The darkfall staff is mainly on vacation on xmas.. Just wait a few days guys...

[Darkmatter]

The darkfall staff is mainly on vacation on xmas.. Just wait a few days guys...

I'll reduce myself to lurker-status within the community as a direct response to the developers lack of community interaction throughout the later years. (understand: this is not an update-only related issue) This basicly means that I am prepared to go through with this to prove my point, and thereby to put emphasis on one of the core reasons I decided to follow Darkfall in the first place. Communication as a bridge to understanding. As it is, this reason has been lost for years, it is now time for me to react to a growing frustration.

[Titus Ultor]

Yes, threaten them. They were just going to sit around with a fully ready beta and not give it to us indefinitely, but your coercion fully converted them.

In my experience, dev quietness usually means the devs are crazy busy. Let's just hope. :P

[Kyrandos]

if theres no target release/beta date or something extremely good by the end of the year im not gonna follow the game anymore or play it if it comes out.

losing me as a fan is a major setback to darkfalls success

Aint many 01's around anymore though!

[Kyrandos]

Yes, threaten them. They were just going to sit around with a fully ready beta and not give it to us indefinitely, but your coercion fully converted them.

In my experience, dev quietness usually means the devs are crazy busy. Let's just hope. :P

So uh.. they been 'crazy busy' for how many years now? Oh, hehe, yer a Dec 06'er! I shouldn't have even said a word to you.

[Titus Ultor]

Yes, because DF forumers are the only people to have ever experience waiting for a game whose release was delayed time and time again, much less even the general human experience of waiting in the first place.

Oh, hehe, yer a merc. I shouldn't have even said a word to you.

[Ezekial]

Then you're looking for realestate on the subcontinent of Niflheim (http://www.darkfallonline.com/world_lore/niflheim.html). Its just like the arctic isle from UO.

Ice island is mine, bitches...

[Metamorphosis]

Oh ye of little faith! Be the Grinch.. if you want your holiday you gotta steal it yourself.

I've been playing DF every night for months now. Dreams are great!

[Razel]

The sad truth is i've returned to Eve online and at this rate ill have all my skills maxed out before df hits a beta. All i can say is it better be dam good in order for me to give up accts i put so much dam 'time and money' into.

[Motaghi]

Who knows... You have to remember that Darkfall took a little break mid-production, plus Darkfall was being talked about almost right as it started being developed. I don't really reecall, but I don't think Blizzard pulled any publicity stuff 'til they had something under their belt... For all you *really* know, WoW was in production months, or years before they ever told us it was. It isn't like I'm just going on a hunch with that one, rumor of a Diablo MMO was floating around a little while back, and it was said that Blizzard didn't want people to know about it 'til they released Burning Crusade. Who knows. If they start beta this year, they better not do account creation New Year's Eve, I have to work! :-x
Not true. I got a pamplet thingy in my Starcraft box (back in 1998) where they were "advertising" WoW (don't ask me why I remember that >.<).

[Ell]

Hey, let the devs have their christmas holidays. See you the 7th of january,

[Echo Del' Torre]

Damnit!

I was so expecting them to announce Minotaurs as playable!

wtf, oh well :bang:



Edit: Oh ya, my b-day's jan. 21st just fyi dev's.....

[Echo Del' Torre]

The sad truth is i've returned to Eve online and at this rate ill have all my skills maxed out before df hits a beta. All i can say is it better be dam good in order for me to give up accts i put so much dam 'time and money' into.

Hahaha.

And giving up DFO accounts is like giving up STD's imo.

Edit: I said DFO ^ oops, EvE.....

[boby]

...df hater...



wtf.. this cant exist !

[Backseatdoa]

I would rather have a good game ready to play (test) than rushed into crap. Other games did this and you can imagine the posts. Everyone who complained that the game wasn't out yet, complained that the game wasn't ready as soon as they opened beta.

People who complain...always find something to complain about.

[Lord_crapalot]

In my experience, dev quietness usually means the devs are crazy busy. Let's just hope. :P

Thats my experience too.

[Agge]

If you realy thought it would be a Beta this christmass you are a fool, and I envy your dumb ignorance, because it will keep you happily waiting. ;)

[Saldisar]

Thats my experience too.

Ditto. I understand the frustration at not getting updates, (hello. in the same boat as you), but short of putting up web cams in the Dev's office so we can all watch them day in and day out, what can you do? Just sit back, relax and good things will come. Would you rather they spend the time telling us about how they rendered a tree differently, or get back to working on something else that needs to be fixed before beta?

/DevCam isnt a bad idea.
//No upskirt on the dev's plz
///unless shes hot

[Dagger]

They said 'by the end of the year'. Ambitiously.
And 2006 ain't over yet.

5 days yet to go

[LanMandragon]

Personally, I feel like since they said "before the end of the year", I think they owe us a news update of some kind now.

I never think they owe us anythign, but once you give tentative dates like that, i think a more concrete update is needed when you fail to meet it.

A lot of people have been banking on "before the end of the year".

[Ferox]

I would rather have a good game ready to play (test) than rushed into crap. Other games did this and you can imagine the posts. Everyone who complained that the game wasn't out yet, complained that the game wasn't ready as soon as they opened beta.

People who complain...always find something to complain about.


I would rather have dedicated players TEST the game and provide good feedback to help the game along.. rather then hope to chance that all will be well so we'll let everyone in beta now and all of a sudden 1000000 things go wrong.


I've seen it happen, it aint pretty.

[acmtalk]

All I've wanted all along was a continuing/regular community-developer interaction. That was one of the aspects that made DF so nice to follow. People following the project were talked to as equals in dreaming of a great new mmorpg - not as customers or rivals spying. In my opinion the newer "strategy", if we can even call it that, has ruined my impression of the team. Claus among others has been silenced. The wait is always understandable. They want to make this product the best it can be before releasing or even testing it. The wait was never the main issue. It is the ongoing total lack of respect for those choosing to show their support and belief in their project. Posterior to moving to Greece; Almost as if: "They do not pay, so lets just keep them on low rations for now". Their excuses of being too busy to communicate is not good enough, and has never really been accepted as a valid reason for not interacting. That is not the way to act "professional" either. Let that be said.

Every post has to be carefully written and planned, and performed in a professional manner and it has to contain DF related official statements, or else it is not suitable for a developers to say anything? To stimulate a discussion, to give incentives for discussion and ideas, polling the community, to ask how we feel things are going, what we want, if we can help in any way or to simply just socialize and show you're around when you've got a minute to post? It's not a priority any more? It's not benefitial, or fruitful enough?

If this doesn't radically change somehow within the month of January 2007, I'll stop posting here too. It seems to work just fine for the developers. Maybe I had the contacts within a major European hardware provider looking to sponsor DF with the latest tech server parks once a beta version materialized, maybe I had the ideas to truely nudge DF further into the ranks of the new-gen classics to come? They'll never know.

I'll rather be pleasantly surprised walking in a software store some time in the future than waste my time on continuing a daily involvement with a game and a team who can't dedicate 5 minutes a day to us in return. To us. Not third-party sites. We're here on the official Darkfall Online boards using the Off-topic section quite often too, remember us?

Preparing the O'so well known passive lurker mode.

I agree, I like that they are really taking their time to make the game right, But with a small community, maybe a bit under the radar, They could do something special, Communication should play a big role here, Heck I haven't posted in these forums anymore for a long time, Why are they so afraid to do an inside tour? Show us something!!!!

[morde]

Personally, I feel like since they said "before the end of the year", I think they owe us a news update of some kind now.

I never think they owe us anythign, but once you give tentative dates like that, i think a more concrete update is needed when you fail to meet it.

A lot of people have been banking on "before the end of the year".

Its not over yet!

[Shadow Walker2020]

Its not over yet!

5 days. They have 5 days. I hardly think beta will be announced in 5 days considering the registration for it isnt even half completed. Individual beta registration hasnt even been started yet.

You're looking at February-March '07 for open beta to begin. And thats only IF they can get the clan beta wrapped up and the individual registration completed in January.

[LanMandragon]

5 days. They have 5 days. I hardly think beta will be announced in 5 days considering the registration for it isnt even half completed. Individual beta registration hasnt even been started yet.

You're looking at February-March '07 for open beta to begin.

Better luck next year kids.

[Zadok]

The only thing I am worried about as the year 2006 passes is the playerbase Darkfall has developed over 2006, it can only get worse. More whining. DAMNIT!

[Ferox]

The only thing I am worried about as the year 2006 passes is the playerbase Darkfall has developed over 2006, it can only get worse. More whining. DAMNIT!

true true... remember back in the day when the irc channel had 5 people on it and the forums were full of cool people? all these damned n00bs! and corrupted by wow most of them are now... scary.

[BLACKWATCH]

Personally, I feel like since they said "before the end of the year", I think they owe us a news update of some kind now.

I never think they owe us anythign, but once you give tentative dates like that, i think a more concrete update is needed when you fail to meet it.

A lot of people have been banking on "before the end of the year".


There lack of even basic Common civility towards there own Darkfall Community is appalling.

This is not the way to develop a Community and maintain it.

They are there own worst PR.

Even a simple," well were running late, more to do, we will shoot for 2007", is one hell of a lot better then, them shutting the door walking away and misleading us.

The PR is FUBAR, I don't trust anything they say anymore, and there lack of even common descent civility is apalling to say the least.
Pretty poor way to treat your Dieing community.

[Ferox]

There lack of even basic Common civility towards there own Darkfall Community is appalling.

This is not the way to develop a Community and maintain it.

They are there own worst PR.

Even a simple," well were running late, more to do, we will shoot for 2007", is one hell of a lot better then, them shutting the door walking away and misleading us.

The PR is FUBAR, I don't trust anything they say anymore, and there lack of even common descent civility is apalling to say the least.
Pretty poor way to treat your Dieing community.



this is how it has always been, atleast since aventurine... the problem is they know that theres even more and more people dieing for darkfall. they sure arent gonna lose out because they dont tell us jack.

eventually we will find out if df is awesome, or just a shell of a game like many others(mourning, dark and light).

[BLACKWATCH]

this is how it has always been, atleast since aventurine... the problem is they know that theres even more and more people dieing for darkfall. they sure arent gonna lose out because they dont tell us jack.

eventually we will find out if df is awesome, or just a shell of a game like many others(mourning, dark and light).

It blows the doors off the "Were gamers for gamers PR". :)




PS "Good to see ya back" :P

[Shadow Walker2020]

this is how it has always been, atleast since aventurine... the problem is they know that theres even more and more people dieing for darkfall. they sure arent gonna lose out because they dont tell us jack.

eventually we will find out if df is awesome, or just a shell of a game like many others(mourning, dark and light).

I dont think its going to be a shell of a game. If, indeed, this game can deliver the same medieval feel that UO did, then it will be a success.

The only way, in my opinon, that Darkfall could be a shell of a game is if it turns out to be an EQ clone. But, I highly doubt that will happen.

[Ferox]

It blows the doors off the "Were gamers for gamers PR". :)




PS "Good to see ya back" :P

thanks, good to see some of the old crew still around. The questions I long will the community and the game be interesting enough to keep me around ROFL.


I've been playing other games(mainly Roma Victor) and working on my career, and of course waiting, waiting, waiting.



I dont think its going to be a shell of a game. If, indeed, this game can deliver the same, medieval feel that UO did, then it will be a success.


Lets face facts here bro.. we really know NOTHING about the status of the game. You never know what its gonna be like until people start testing it, then breaking their nda to say " OMG THIS GAME SUCKS" or " OMG THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER".

[EnolaGay]

Some of you guys need to pull your noses out of the Devs ass holes. All this "in my experience when devs go silent cause they are too busy to post" crap is just fanboi salad tossing.

Devs can still find time to post even with then are super busy.

Take World War II On-line as an example of a small company with great community interaction. Their dev team is actually SMALLER!!! than the DF team.

WWII Online released a Christmas surprise patch with a ton of new features, and new graphics 2 days before Christmas. It had some problems cause it was not mass tested as it was our X-mas surprise patch.....

The Devs were on the forums Christmas Eve NIGHT!!!! personally answering posts, making update threads, tracking down issues with the new patch.

Aside from that they have weekly updates on new patches they are working on, monthly updates on the new game engine they are building, every 4 months or so they have a giant TeamSpeak meeting where every subscriber is invited to go and talk to the devs and ask questions about future updates and requests for what the community wants.

I dont want to hear this shit that they are too busy to give even a 1 paragraph monthly update on progress.

I think they have backed themselves into a corner by feeding the community bullshit, hinting and implying they are farther along in the design process than they really are. Because of this they are simply unable to give any real updates or news because if the community was to discover just how truly far they are from a completed game there would be mass fucking hysteria in here.

I have said it before

[LanMandragon]

[QUOTE=EnolaGay;670919]Some of you guys need to pull your noses out of the Devs ass holes. All this "in my experience when devs go silent cause they are too busy to post" crap is just fanboi salad tossing.

Devs can still find time to post even with then are super busy.

Take World War II On-line as an example of a small company with great community interaction. Their dev team is actually SMALLER!!! than the DF team.

WWII Online released a Christmas surprise patch with a ton of new features, and new graphics 2 days before Christmas. It had some problems cause it was not mass tested as it was our X-mas surprise patch.....

The Devs were on the forums Christmas Eve NIGHT!!!! personally answering posts, making update threads, tracking down issues with the new patch.

Aside from that they have weekly updates on new patches they are working on, monthly updates on the new game engine they are building, every 4 months or so they have a giant TeamSpeak meeting where every subscriber is invited to go and talk to the devs and ask questions about future updates and requests for what the community wants.

I dont want to hear this shit that they are too busy to give even a 1 paragraph monthly update on progress.

I think they have backed themselves into a corner by feeding the community bullshit, hinting and implying they are farther along in the design process than they really are. Because of this they are simply unable to give any real updates or news because if the community was to discover just how truly far they are from a completed game there would be mass fucking hysteria in here.

I have said it before

[Shadow Walker2020]

Lets face facts here bro.. we really know NOTHING about the status of the game. You never know what its gonna be like until people start testing it, then breaking their nda to say " OMG THIS GAME SUCKS" or " OMG THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER".


Well, based on what we do know from the updates and info the devs have released, Im confident that Darkfall will raise the bar and succeed. By the sound of things, I believe the devs may be selling Darkfall short when they describe it. It sounds like Darkfall is going to offer so much more than other games out there. Of course, this is just my personal belief/hopes. I wouldnt say we know nothing. The devs have released info about the game.

But if it can deliver what UO once did, then it will be a huge success. I know of alot of UOers, both retired and currently playing, who have really liked what they've heard about Darkfall.

[LanMandragon]

Well, based on what we do know from the updates and info the devs have released, Im confident that Darkfall will raise the bar and succeed. By the sound of things, I believe the devs may be selling Darkfall short when they describe it. It sounds like Darkfall is going to offer so much more than other games out there. Of course, this is just my personal belief/hopes. I wouldnt say we know nothing. The devs have released info about the game.

But if it can deliver what UO once did, then it will be a huge success. I know of alot of UOers, both retired and currently playing, who have really liked what they've heard about Darkfall.

You managed to not actually respond to his concerns at all. Everyone here BELIEVES Darkfall will be great, hes saying we dont KNOW anything.

[Shadow Walker2020]

You managed to not actually respond to his concerns at all. Everyone here BELIEVES Darkfall will be great, hes saying we dont KNOW anything.


If you didnt know anything about the game, then you wouldnt be here posting, now would you? The devs have released info about the game. Granted, it may have not been the info you wanted to hear, but it was info none the less.

If the devs are not telling the potential player base about the game, then what do you call the updates? I guess the news section doesnt exist and is full of nothing? :rolleyes:

The devs have told us things about the game. Its all there in the updates and interviews.

Belief is always based on something. So, there had to be something to inspire belief in Darkfall's success. And that something is the updates and interviews about the game.

[Ferox]

[QUOTE=EnolaGay;670919]Some of you guys need to pull your noses out of the Devs ass holes. All this "in my experience when devs go silent cause they are too busy to post" crap is just fanboi salad tossing.

Devs can still find time to post even with then are super busy.

Take World War II On-line as an example of a small company with great community interaction. Their dev team is actually SMALLER!!! than the DF team.

WWII Online released a Christmas surprise patch with a ton of new features, and new graphics 2 days before Christmas. It had some problems cause it was not mass tested as it was our X-mas surprise patch.....

The Devs were on the forums Christmas Eve NIGHT!!!! personally answering posts, making update threads, tracking down issues with the new patch.

Aside from that they have weekly updates on new patches they are working on, monthly updates on the new game engine they are building, every 4 months or so they have a giant TeamSpeak meeting where every subscriber is invited to go and talk to the devs and ask questions about future updates and requests for what the community wants.

I dont want to hear this shit that they are too busy to give even a 1 paragraph monthly update on progress.

I think they have backed themselves into a corner by feeding the community bullshit, hinting and implying they are farther along in the design process than they really are. Because of this they are simply unable to give any real updates or news because if the community was to discover just how truly far they are from a completed game there would be mass fucking hysteria in here.

I have said it before

[Sarusan]

No beta this year, this is unquestionable. Dont need to talk about this anymore. What im worried about, where the %$#^ are Alfar???!!! Underground yeah....but i wanna see them this year and i didnt think once in 2006 that i wont see them this year....Prove me wrong devs.

[Norse]

There lack of even basic Common civility towards there own Darkfall Community is appalling.

This is not the way to develop a Community and maintain it.

They are there own worst PR.

Even a simple," well were running late, more to do, we will shoot for 2007", is one hell of a lot better then, them shutting the door walking away and misleading us.

The PR is FUBAR, I don't trust anything they say anymore, and there lack of even common descent civility is apalling to say the least.
Pretty poor way to treat your Dieing community.

I do agree, I would think that one guy over there could be assigned to post some damn thing...anything 2 times a month. But then again I don't think Bill Gates picks up the customer care lines over at Microsoft either. And while that is a dramatic comparison, make no mistake the people putting this deal together are indeed the Bill Gates of our little niche here.

So am I pissed off about no updates on a somewhat regular basis? Well fuck yes I am. But I cant blame them. When your paying the bills you are paying the cost to be the boss. And I think thats exactly what Adventurine is. The Boss. I think Adventurine is saying information will given on a need to know basis untill we see fit. And since Tasos and the original 6 or 7 devs would probably like to give us more here and there the probably cant due to contract limitations.

Just a theory....

[LanMandragon]

If you didnt know anything about the game, then you wouldnt be here posting, now would you? The devs have released info about the game. Granted, it may have not been the info you wanted to hear, but it was info none the less.

If the devs are not telling the potential player base about the game, then what do you call the updates? I guess the news section doesnt exist and is full of nothing? :rolleyes:

The devs have told us things about the game. Its all there in the updates and interviews.

Belief is always based on something. So, there had to be something to inspire belief in Darkfall's success. And that something is the updates and interviews about the game.

Again, not his or my point.

There has been great news updates, great screenies, good video, I am pleased with that.

But the fact remains, that those SAME things existed for games like Mourning, D@L, Wish, and they were VAPORWARE. We aren't saying that DF is vaporware also, but until people are actually in a BETA, able to use the platform and test it, this all remains in the realm of possibilities and ideas.

The fact even remains that the videos released have been limited, that many of the key features such as monsters, alfar etc have never been seen and that its five years later with no solid release date, and a current "We hope to have beta before the end of the year" almost failed with no explanation.

That last point is the biggest for me. Give the Combine interview, and then dont say anything when you dont meet that time. No even update on that interview.

[LanMandragon]

No beta this year, this is unquestionable. Dont need to talk about this anymore. What im worried about, where the %$#^ are Alfar???!!! Underground yeah....but i wanna see them this year and i didnt think once in 2006 that i wont see them this year....Prove me wrong devs.

really, not need for concern or discussion?

Cool, why bother posting then.

It is worthy of concern, period.

[EnolaGay]

[QUOTE=Shadow Walker2020;670930]If you didnt know anything about the game, then you wouldnt be here posting, now would you? The devs have released info about the game. Granted, it may have not been the info you wanted to hear, but it was info none the less.

If the devs are not telling the potential player base about the game, then what do you call the updates? I guess the news section doesn

[Shadow Walker2020]

Again, not his or my point.

There has been great news updates, great screenies, good video, I am pleased with that.

It doesnt seem that way. If that were the case, then you wouldnt have said that we know nothing about the game.

But the fact remains, that those SAME things existed for games like Mourning, D@L, Wish, and they were VAPORWARE. We aren't saying that DF is vaporware also, but until people are actually in a BETA, able to use the platform and test it, this all remains in the realm of possibilities and ideas.

Well beta takes time, especially for what the Darkfall Devs are trying to accomplish. There may be bugs, glitches, etc occuring that are holding them back. They cant launch anything, not even beta, half completed. This is their first attempt at a game. They cannot afford any screw ups. And they wont launch their game half done just to appease a few people. This is these peoples livelyhoods we are talking about. They have alot riding on this. There is no room for error.

Not to mention the beta registrations may be holding things up. Clan regisration has been going on for how long now? Almost a year? That could be holding things up too, you know. Its not entirely impossible.

As for those games that did turn out to be vaporware, how longer after their announcements of their developements did they fall through? A year? A week? A month? What? Im willing to bet that Darkfall has held on alot longer than any of those games did.

The fact even remains that the videos released have been limited, that many of the key features such as monsters, alfar etc have never been seen and that its five years later with no solid release date, and a current "We hope to have beta before the end of the year" almost failed with no explanation.

5/6 races have been featured. 3/5 racial mounts have been revealed. They have released screens of monsters and various locations in the game as well as alot of other info. Just because one race and some monsters havent been featured yet doesnt mean the game is failing. And in all fairness, actual development of the game did not start until '03 when Razorwax joined up with Aventurine. So, in fact, its been more along the lines of 3 years for the games actual development.

the key word there is "Hope". They "Hope" to get beta out by the end of the year. The reason they say hope, because there are game related issues that are holding them up. This is a big project for them. They have a limited staff. The game they are trying to make is huge. They want to get this game perfect right out of the gate. They dont want to have to drop the game after they start open beta to fix a problem they should have fixed during internal beta. You cannot rush a project like this. It takes time, alot of time.

[Shadow Walker2020]

You mean info like the Economy/Crafting update that was in the news section a few months back?

10 Paragraphs or more that basically condensed down into ...

#1. In Darkfall you can craft stuff. - No info on what or how but apparently you can craft stuff.
#2 In Darkfall you can harvest resources - No info on what resources or quality or dynamic spawns or even how you collect said resources but apparently you can harvest resources.
#3 In Darkfall you can trade and sell resources and crafted items - OMFG No way!!!!

Wow.. so the news that they are calling news is that Darkfall will be able to do what every other fucking MMO can already to - Collect materials - craft items - sell materials and items

Is this what you call news??

That isnt the only info on items.
[QUOTE= Darkfall main site FAQ][URL="http://www.darkfallonline.com/faq/items.html"]Can players make magical items?
Darkfall features an extremely sophisticated item creator, which will enable players to create powerful items, like weapons, jewelry, armor, wands, potions, food and more.
We have invested a lot of time and design resources into creating the ultimate player based economy. Players who enjoy trading and crafting will truly enjoy Darkfall

[EnolaGay]

And in all fairness, actual development of the game did not start until '03 when Razorwax joined up with Aventurine. So, in fact, its been more along the lines of 3 years for the games actual development.

.

We have absolutely no way of knowing what features still exist that just happen to be on FAQ part of a web site that is 5+ years old.

They have already admitted to removing farming, taming, terrain deformation. They removed then reimplemented manual blocking.


Plus.. if you are going to pull that

[Ferox]

since my last post where I talked about missing Claus coming to talk to us, I did a search and found this thread from ages ago when I ran TWW and Claus/Tasos use to come on irc and talk to us.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=7201

the original url in the above link doesnt work anymore but here are the links to 4 times claus and tasos came on irc to talk to us--


http://spectomundus.com/txt/claus.doc
http://spectomundus.com/txt/claus2.doc
http://spectomundus.com/txt/tasos1.doc
http://spectomundus.com/txt/tasos2.doc


they are long reads but for anyone who has come since 2004 and didnt see them you may get a jist of how Tasos and Claus are.

[Suitepee]

I remain convinced they are spending more time extremely testing Darkfall in every way possible so the beta is nigh-on perfect.
Tying with this,I also believe when they think beta is ready,the updates will become 300% more useful. You'll get the Alfar,skill system demo,a new combat video and the announcement of SCS being shown in a short timespan JUST before the beta.

Patience....you need lots of it here.

[LanMandragon]

since my last post where I talked about missing Claus coming to talk to us, I did a search and found this thread from ages ago when I ran TWW and Claus/Tasos use to come on irc and talk to us.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=7201

the original url in the above link doesnt work anymore but here are the links to 4 times claus and tasos came on irc to talk to us--


http://spectomundus.com/txt/claus.doc
http://spectomundus.com/txt/claus2.doc
http://spectomundus.com/txt/tasos1.doc
http://spectomundus.com/txt/tasos2.doc


they are long reads but for anyone who has come since 2004 and didnt see them you may get a jist of how Tasos and Claus are.

to bad that kind of stuff still doesn't happen.;

[LanMandragon]

It doesnt seem that way. If that were the case, then you wouldnt have said that we know nothing about the game.

I am a pretty damn strong supporter of Darkfall, but I stand by what I said, its all heresay until large groups of people are ingame to confirm. I would have even felt better if Brannoc had been able to give his report after e3 but that never happened either.

Not to mention the beta registrations may be holding things up. Clan regisration has been going on for how long now? Almost a year? That could be holding things up too, you know. Its not entirely impossible.

Whos fault is that? Most guilds have been signed up for ages. Signing people up for beta would have taken a month at most done at the right time. How do I know this? Other games do it.

As for those games that did turn out to be vaporware, how longer after their announcements of their developements did they fall through? A year? A week? A month? What? Im willing to bet that Darkfall has held on alot longer than any of those games did.

Well D@L, Mourning they had been around quit awhile. Would you say SB was a rousing success? It was in development for 5 years. Time means little.

5/6 races have been featured. 3/5 racial mounts have been revealed. They have released screens of monsters and various locations in the game as well as alot of other info. Just because one race and some monsters havent been featured yet doesnt mean the game is failing. And in all fairness, actual development of the game did not start until '03 when Razorwax joined up with Aventurine. So, in fact, its been more along the lines of 3 years for the games actual development.

Point me to where you have seen monster PVE video, or more then 2 minutes of footage over 5 YEARS.

the key word there is "Hope". They "Hope" to get beta out by the end of the year. The reason they say hope, because there are game related issues that are holding them up. This is a big project for them. They have a limited staff. The game they are trying to make is huge. They want to get this game perfect right out of the gate. They dont want to have to drop the game after they start open beta to fix a problem they should have fixed during internal beta. You cannot rush a project like this. It takes time, alot of time.

Last but not least. When you say "hope" to a community craving information this much, it is advisable if you are unable to meet that deadline to say something about it.

[Shadow Walker2020]

Last but not least. When you say "hope" to a community craving information this much, it is advisable if you are unable to meet that deadline to say something about it.

If there was an actual solid deadline, which there wasnt. The devs were even admitting that they werent sure about beta and that the deadline for the end of the year was tenative when they said, "We hope to have beta before the end of the year". Its like saying "We are shooting for the end of the year for beta, but no guarantees". And if you didnt get that, then, well, thats just too bad.

They cant be there to always hold the communities hand constantly and tell you every little thing. The devs have work to do and dont have time to babysit.

Be thankful the devs released the updates that they have. They didnt have to. They could have kept Darkfall a secret until it came time for the games release. But they didnt. They announced the game long before it was ready to try and get the imput of the gaming community in order to try and make the game as player friendly as possible. A game made by gamers for gamers. Instead all they get is whiners who want an update every day and to be told of every little change to the game and what not. And when they dont get what they want, they come on here and bitch and spread vaporware rumors.

There is a lesson to be learned from all of this: Things take time. A fine wine is not made over night. It takes years. And Darkfall is just like that, a wine that needs time to ferment and mature so when it comes time for it to hit the market, it is of high quality and worth its cost. Rush it, and it will come out horrible.

I can understand peoples furstration, but what were you expecting? The game was just getting uder way in its development when it was announced. Did you think it would be done over night? No way. Especially when the team making the game are basically first timers with limited resources. This is their first shot at the big time. Do you think they are going to rush things just to appease you? No. They have to take their time and make sure everything is running right. The devs cannot afford a screw up here. They have to get it right the first time because I doubt they will have the resources to drop the game once its out if there are any serious problems and take the game back into development.

[Shadow Walker2020]

We have absolutely no way of knowing what features still exist that just happen to be on FAQ part of a web site that is 5+ years old.

Actually, the site has been updated quite a bit, especially this month. the visuals are proof of that.

They have already admitted to removing farming, taming, terrain deformation. They removed then reimplemented manual blocking.

Terrian deformation was never in. They have said that since the beginning. Its a hand crafted world. A work of art. The Devs dont want some joker with an attitude problem ripping up their land scape.

As for farming and taming, there is your example of the devs letting people know what has been taken out. Tasos would have announced any other removals fro the game in his last update, if there were any.

And what about the announcement of manual blocking being in? Theres another example of the devs keeping people informed.

[QUOTE]Plus.. if you are going to pull that

[LanMandragon]

If there was an actual solid deadline, which there wasnt. The devs were even admitting that they werent sure about beta and that the deadline for the end of the year was tenative when they said, "We hope to have beta before the end of the year". Its like saying "We are shooting for the end of the year for beta, but no guarantees". And if you didnt get that, then, well, thats just too bad.

They cant be there to always hold the communities hand constantly and tell you every little thing. The devs have work to do and dont have time to babysit.

Be thankful the devs released the updates that they have. They didnt have to. They could have kept Darkfall a secret until it came time for the games release. But they didnt. They announced the game long before it was ready to try and get the imput of the gaming community in order to try and make the game as player friendly as possible. A game made by gamers for gamers. Instead all they get is whiners who want an update every day and to be told of every little change to the game and what not. And when they dont get what they want, they come on here and bitch and spread vaporware rumors.

There is a lesson to be learned from all of this: Things take time. A fine wine is not made over night. It takes years. And Darkfall is just like that, a wine that needs time to ferment and mature so when it comes time for it to hit the market, it is of high quality and worth its cost. Rush it, and it will come out horrible.

I can understand peoples furstration, but what were you expecting? The game was just getting uder way in its development when it was announced. Did you think it would be done over night? No way. Especially when the team making the game are basically first timers with limited resources. This is their first shot at the big time. Do you think they are going to rush things just to appease you? No. They have to take their time and make sure everything is running right. The devs cannot afford a screw up here. They have to get it right the first time because I doubt they will have the resources to drop the game once its out if there are any serious problems and take the game back into development.

Your daft.

People aren't asking to be hand held or babied, or asking for it to be released ahead of time. I dont think I have seen a single post in this whole thread saying "release it now".

What people are saying is when you say "Beta hopefully before end of year" and you FAIL to meet that, then updating your community on when the next HOPED FOR date is neccessary, and it HELPS you in the long run to build a trusting community. Dont freaking tell people to be patient, theres guys here who have been here since 01. Thats patience. Hell, waiting for a year after a game has been in development for 5 is patience.

They have patience, what they need to do is keep us that way. It doesn't take much to keep this community patient, once a week touching base, and a explanation is all. Saying that would "take to much of their time" is BS. Were talking 5 minutes for someone to pop in, say we are hoping for beta mid year due to unforeseen complications, boom done.

Throw in a video and people would shut up for 2 months.

[Ezion]

All of you are complaining about bad PR.

Well, this is news, but since when do the devs really owe us any PR at all?
Sure, I want an update as much as the next guy, and it would piss me off if they decided to ignore us through the next 6 months, but it's not like the devs promised to keep us updated (though the amount they've been leading us around is a good counter-argument).

Show me one quote where they "owe" us anything. They didn't go around advertising for DFO, we all came here, and nothing holds them to keeping the public happy.

[Shadow Walker2020]

Your daft.

Cant go one thread without trying to insult someone, can you?

Well, I just consier the source, some faceless username on an internet forum. Yeah, im gonna be insulted by you. :rolleyes:

People aren't asking to be hand held or babied, or asking for it to be released ahead of time. I dont think I have seen a single post in this whole thread saying "release it now".

Could have fooled me. I see more release it now and beta now posts than any others. Ask the mods to count how many "Beta now plz" or "release the game plz" threads they have had to lock.

And as for there not being any posts that want the beta or game out now:

Here. (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showpost.php?p=670367&postcount=28)

I think you need glasses.

What people are saying is when you say "Beta hopefully before end of year" and you FAIL to meet that, then updating your community on when the next HOPED FOR date is neccessary, and it HELPS you in the long run to build a trusting community.

Well if the people cant read between the lines and realize that "HOPEFULLY" means that it is a tenative thing and not 100% locked in, then thats their problem. The devs owe you nothing. They let you know it was a tenative thing before hand, and if thats not good enough, well, then tough. You shouldnt have counted your chickens before they hatched.

Dont freaking tell people to be patient, theres guys here who have been here since 01. Thats patience. Hell, waiting for a year after a game has been in development for 5 is patience.

The people here from '01 should have learned a long time ago that when the devs say things like "hopefully", that whatever it is they are refering to is not set in stone and to expect potential let downs if they havent already. You, an 05 poster, shouldnt have anything to complain about. As a matter of fact, you should bite your tongue for complaining at all. You have the guts to compare the time you have waited to the time the '01s have wated? Ive been waiting 2 years, dont see me complaining. But someone who has been waiting one year? Bah, you dont have the right to complain. Yet you do it anyway.

They have patience, what they need to do is keep us that way. It doesn't take much to keep this community patient, once a week touching base, and a explanation is all. Saying that would "take to much of their time" is BS. Were talking 5 minutes for someone to pop in, say we are hoping for beta mid year due to unforeseen complications, boom done.

Did you ever stop to consider that they expect their community to be mature enough and intelligent enough to come to that conclusion alone without them having to state the blatently obvious? Apparently not.

Throw in a video and people would shut up for 2 months.

I rest my case.

[LanMandragon]

Could have fooled me. I see more release it now and beta now posts than any others. Ask the mods to count how many "Beta now plz" or "release the game plz" threads they have had to lock.

Did you read "in this thread" or did you just skip over it because it felt good.
Learn to read.



Well if the people cant read between the lines and realize that "HOPEFULLY" means that it is a tenative thing and not 100% locked in, then thats their problem. The devs owe you nothing. They let you know it was a tenative thing before hand, and if thats not good enough, well, then tough. You shouldnt have counted your chickens before they hatched.

Again, people are asking for an update, not a date.


The people here from '01 should have learned a long time ago that when the devs say things like "hopefully", that whatever it is they are refering to is not set in stone and to expect potential let downs if they havent already. You, an 05 poster, shouldnt have anything to complain about. As a matter of fact, you should bite your tongue for complaining at all. You have the guts to compare the time you have waited to the time the '01s have wated? Ive been waiting 2 years, dont see me complaining. But someone who has been waiting one year? Bah, you dont have the right to complain. Yet you do it anyway.

As a potential customer, I am not going to sit by and say nothing when I see problems developing. Additionally, learn to read again, there was no comparison between my time and a 01'er other then to say that waiting 1 or 5 years, both require patience.



Did you ever stop to consider that they expect their community to be mature enough and intelligent enough to come to that conclusion alone without them having to state the blatently obvious? Apparently not.

You can blindly follow something, but I choose to criticize faulty behavior in a respectful manner.



I rest my case.

Your case sucks.

[Constantine]

You guys want the truth?

They are too busy playing the internal beta to care. I know that if I'd spent 5+ years of my life making a game, that's what I'd be doing.

[Scarecrowz]

There lack of even basic Common civility towards there own Darkfall Community is appalling.

This is not the way to develop a Community and maintain it.

They are there own worst PR.

Even a simple," well were running late, more to do, we will shoot for 2007", is one hell of a lot better then, them shutting the door walking away and misleading us.

The PR is FUBAR, I don't trust anything they say anymore, and there lack of even common descent civility is apalling to say the least.
Pretty poor way to treat your Dieing community.

I agree completely BLACKWATCH. Completely. The lack of respect for the people that will be feeding their families is pathetic to say the least. If it wasn't for many of us then many people wouldn't even know about Darkfall.

On a side note. Hey Preston! How good am I at making good discussion threads? eh? eh? ;)

[Scarecrowz]

Again, not his or my point.

There has been great news updates, great screenies, good video, I am pleased with that.

But the fact remains, that those SAME things existed for games like Mourning, D@L, Wish, and they were VAPORWARE. We aren't saying that DF is vaporware also, but until people are actually in a BETA, able to use the platform and test it, this all remains in the realm of possibilities and ideas.

The fact even remains that the videos released have been limited, that many of the key features such as monsters, alfar etc have never been seen and that its five years later with no solid release date, and a current "We hope to have beta before the end of the year" almost failed with no explanation.

That last point is the biggest for me. Give the Combine interview, and then dont say anything when you dont meet that time. No even update on that interview.

And this my friends, is what my post was all about. If you failed to read the Combine interview, then dig it up. They did state that they were shooting for Q4 2006. To have no word from them for months is appalling. The window is slowly closing on yet ANOTHER "slap in the face" to US - The Community.....

So can they or do they have the guts to man up and at least say "sorry folks but we have dissapointed you again, we will shoot for 07 now". I say no.

But they are always welcome to prove me wrong, in fact I WANT them to prove me wrong. And no, I do not think you will see a big button saying "Sign up for Beta" in the next 4(? Don't know how long it is for you, I'm in Australia) days.

[Shadow Walker2020]

Did you read "in this thread" or did you just skip over it because it felt good.
Learn to read.

I did read it. And I even provided an example. Did you read it, or did you just skip over it because it felt good. So, Ill provide it again, since you lack basic comprehension skills.

Here. (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showpost.php?p=670367&postcount=28)

Again, people are asking for an update, not a date.

If the people want a date, then they'd best learn to wait.

A slogan to live by on here.

As a potential customer, I am not going to sit by and say nothing when I see problems developing. Additionally, learn to read again, there was no comparison between my time and a 01'er other then to say that waiting 1 or 5 years, both require patience.


Emphasis on the word potential. Your not a customer yet. Your not paying the devs for any services here. They owe you nothing. Its completely up to you to be here. No one is coercing you. No one's twisting your arm.

I never said it didnt require patience.

You can blindly follow something, but I choose to criticize faulty behavior in a respectful manner.

Yeah, thats all you seem to do, criticize. The way you put it, its like the devs said that beta was, without a doubt, going to come out before the end of the year, when they didn't. You're just ticked off because beta didnt come out, so you criticize the devs and take it out on them. Its not their fault you took "Hopefully" for "Definetly".

[Ferox]

And this my friends, is what my post was all about. If you failed to read the Combine interview, then dig it up. They did state that they were shooting for Q4 2006. To have no word from them for months is appalling. The window is slowly closing on yet ANOTHER "slap in the face" to US - The Community.....

So can they or do they have the guts to man up and at least say "sorry folks but we have dissapointed you again, we will shoot for 07 now". I say no.

But they are always welcome to prove me wrong, in fact I WANT them to prove me wrong. And no, I do not think you will see a big button saying "Sign up for Beta" in the next 4(? Don't know how long it is for you, I'm in Australia) days.

they dont care.. they know that we will come back no matter what.


I tried to form an "organization" of sorts a few years ago called the DFX. This was to be basically the voice of the community to make our voices heard to the devs. We had about 10 people but it never took off.


perhaps now is the time for the DFX to rise again, if we all were one voice perhaps things would be better.


"SUPPORT THE DFX!"


it will never take off though, same as the devs know any threats like " we wont play your game" is total bs hehe.. they know they have us by the balls no matter what. I just figured if the DFX became big we could have some sway in being treated better, thats all.


So in a futile attempt, I urge anyone who wants to to put " I support the DFX" in their sigs... maybe it will work this time.....

[Darkmatter]

All of you are complaining about bad PR.



Well, this is news, but since when do the devs really owe us any PR at all?

Sure, I want an update as much as the next guy, and it would piss me off if they decided to ignore us through the next 6 months, but it's not like the devs promised to keep us updated (though the amount they've been leading us around is a good counter-argument).



Show me one quote where they "owe" us anything. They didn't go around advertising for DFO, we all came here, and nothing holds them to keeping the public happy.



Most of us who has been around just miss the interaction. The communication to build understanding for the moves and choices they make. Transparency. Some insight.



We've all been here for years showing our daily support and appriciation of their project. They don't owe us anything. We could leave at any moment or bad mouth the project all over the web. We do the opposite, regardless of "HAVING" to do it - we choose to do it this way. The developers should have chosen to continue the friendly dialogue they used to have. The atmosphere here were truely great, and to be honest it was a much easier task to support a game with a down to earth team who really value their fans.



It's been quite a few dry years. I think my time on these forums are finaly coming to an end, as my interest in the game isn't what it used to be, and neither is the community and the team. Interest goes a long way. We were originally around to support the 4 guys in a basement in Oslo I hope they don't forget, because we loved how they wanted to make this game. The community was being heard, on a daily/weekly basis there were chats - not formal chats, just casual chatting between devs and whoever were in the irc channel, which were a joy to watch. A game based on personal preferance shared by their friends and other gamers fed up of the main stream.



I don't care if they "owe" us something or not. I thought they would stay in touch with us no matter what, we are the future customers, and we supported them in the beginning and assured them that their plans would hit home with quite a few players. And, if you want to think about "owing" - Imagine all the PR the loyal fans of Darkfall has produced in favour of the game throughout the years. The fan sites, the art, the spreading of the word, picking up debates throughout the web defending its concept, the help with critisizing, the help with ideas, the population of the forums, the coverage in large national and international newspapers etc. etc. PR that would in a money sence be -very- expensive in terms of when trying to set up a campaign to cause an equivalent effect. We don't just sit here you know, we want this to succeed as bad as the developers do. Many of us here have been "involved" with Darkfall longer than the majority of the developing team at this point. Let that be said. They don't "owe" us anything. But I wonder where the 4 guys we supported are now, and why they don't keep in casual contact sometimes when they're off work to chat about the game and other stuff too. If they want, they tell us a bit about the game, in their own time, using their own words, that's how it used to be, and it worked great.



Don't bring "owing" anything into the mix here. It isn't what we're talking about at all. Some people would almost surely assume it to be the natural and friendly thing to do, to keep in touch, to say hi, to casually say what they're doing etc. We're allowed to be disappointed in the changed cold behavior of the developers. They do have time to write to us. Plenty of it. They've chosen the strategy which basicly consists of keeping it tight, and they've done so for a -long- time now.

[Ezion]

Once enough people join the company, it becomes a lot harder.
They have to get funding from Aveniture, and I bet Aveniture is starting to push them a lot harder, just look at what the fanbase is doing.

If you want to look at it from the same standpoint where the community are friends with the devs, do you really think those original 4 devs would just stop chatting because they want to starve you of information? I would imagine something is holding them back.

PR relations are bad, but at this point, all we can do is theorycraft about why.

[Ferox]

Most of us who has been around just miss the interaction. The communication to build understanding for the moves and choices they make. Transparency. Some insight.



We've all been here for years showing our daily support and appriciation of their project. They don't owe us anything. We could leave at any moment or bad mouth the project all over the web. We do the opposite, regardless of "HAVING" to do it - we choose to do it this way. The developers should have chosen to continue the friendly dialogue they used to have. The atmosphere here were truely great, and to be honest it was a much easier task to support a game with a down to earth team who really value their fans.



It's been quite a few dry years. I think my time on these forums are finaly coming to an end, as my interest in the game isn't what it used to be, and neither is the community and the team. Interest goes a long way. We were originally around to support the 4 guys in a basement in Oslo I hope they don't forget, because we loved how they wanted to make this game. The community was being heard, on a daily/weekly basis there were chats - not formal chats, just casual chatting between devs and whoever were in the irc channel, which were a joy to watch. A game based on personal preferance shared by their friends and other gamers fed up of the main stream.



I don't care if they "owe" us something or not. I thought they would stay in touch with us no matter what, we are the future customers, and we supported them in the beginning and assured them that their plans would hit home with quite a few players. And, if you want to think about "owing" - Imagine all the PR the loyal fans of Darkfall has produced in favour of the game throughout the years. The fan sites, the art, the spreading of the word, picking up debates throughout the web defending its concept, the help with critisizing, the help with ideas, the population of the forums, the coverage in large national and international newspapers etc. etc. PR that would in a money sence be -very- expensive in terms of when trying to set up a campaign to cause an equivalent effect. We don't just sit here you know, we want this to succeed as bad as the developers do. Many of us here have been "involved" with Darkfall longer than the majority of the developing team at this point. Let that be said. They don't "owe" us anything. But I wonder where the 4 guys we supported are now, and why they don't keep in casual contact sometimes when they're off work to chat about the game and other stuff too. If they want, they tell us a bit about the game, in their own time, using their own words, that's how it used to be, and it worked great.



Don't bring "owing" anything into the mix here. It isn't what we're talking about at all. Some people would almost surely assume it to be the natural and friendly thing to do, to keep in touch, to say hi, to casually say what they're doing etc. We're allowed to be disappointed in the changed cold behavior of the developers. They do have time to write to us. Plenty of it. They've chosen the strategy which basicly consists of keeping it tight, and they've done so for a -long- time now.


*claps* bravo...

I agree.. its just about common decency and being straight with your fans.. something that is lacking in the whole industry these days.. especially with these devs. Claus and the boys always took care of us back in the day.

the old days were the best no doubt, them 4 poor saps in Oslo really were good to us.

[Jekkyl]

Funniest thing is crying about no Beta or beta updates, yet when beta does come your all gunna cry when 95% of you don't get in!

Fun times!:lmao:

[imalamer]

I had a weird thought. What if beta already started for a select few, but the NDA says, "No, You can't tell anyone....or else." ?:ohno:

[LanMandragon]

I did read it. And I even provided an example. Did you read it, or did you just skip over it because it felt good. So, Ill provide it again, since you lack basic comprehension skills.

Here. (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showpost.php?p=670367&postcount=28)



If the people want a date, then they'd best learn to wait.

A slogan to live by on here.



Emphasis on the word potential. Your not a customer yet. Your not paying the devs for any services here. They owe you nothing. Its completely up to you to be here. No one is coercing you. No one's twisting your arm.

I never said it didnt require patience.



Yeah, thats all you seem to do, criticize. The way you put it, its like the devs said that beta was, without a doubt, going to come out before the end of the year, when they didn't. You're just ticked off because beta didnt come out, so you criticize the devs and take it out on them. Its not their fault you took "Hopefully" for "Definetly".

Read Darkmatter's post.

[Razel]

If there was an actual solid deadline, which there wasnt. The devs were even admitting that they werent sure about beta and that the deadline for the end of the year was tenative when they said, "We hope to have beta before the end of the year". Its like saying "We are shooting for the end of the year for beta, but no guarantees". And if you didnt get that, then, well, thats just too bad.

They cant be there to always hold the communities hand constantly and tell you every little thing. The devs have work to do and dont have time to babysit.

Be thankful the devs released the updates that they have. They didnt have to. They could have kept Darkfall a secret until it came time for the games release. But they didnt. They announced the game long before it was ready to try and get the imput of the gaming community in order to try and make the game as player friendly as possible. A game made by gamers for gamers. Instead all they get is whiners who want an update every day and to be told of every little change to the game and what not. And when they dont get what they want, they come on here and bitch and spread vaporware rumors.

There is a lesson to be learned from all of this: Things take time. A fine wine is not made over night. It takes years. And Darkfall is just like that, a wine that needs time to ferment and mature so when it comes time for it to hit the market, it is of high quality and worth its cost. Rush it, and it will come out horrible.

I can understand peoples furstration, but what were you expecting? The game was just getting uder way in its development when it was announced. Did you think it would be done over night? No way. Especially when the team making the game are basically first timers with limited resources. This is their first shot at the big time. Do you think they are going to rush things just to appease you? No. They have to take their time and make sure everything is running right. The devs cannot afford a screw up here. They have to get it right the first time because I doubt they will have the resources to drop the game once its out if there are any serious problems and take the game back into development.

I would like to nominate you for forumboi of the year, Brannoc can we get a blue label on this guy? aww fuck it just make him a red dude and give him an important title.

I've patiently waited for this shit to start for too long. Few years ago i heard about it and watched from afar. Back then it seemed the devs were more active but after all this time i still havent seen anything that leads me to believe this beta will start before NEXT Christmas... 07'. I'm not sure what the intention was to announce this forumfall shit so early was, maybe they are looking for a 'magic number' of people registered on the forums before something else can happen, i dunno. I think of those registered here only a few , couple handfulls, actually follow the forum crap now. Perhaps they are just using the numbers to get a publisher, but that obviously didnt work. My best guess is they are so far off from being finished they can't even think about talking to a publisher at this point in time...

As far as the excuse that 'they havent finished clan registration yet' well thats just bullshit... If they wanted it done it would be done. The fact is they open and close the clan registration process on what almost seems like a whim for a few hours at a time. The excuses are getting old... i don't bullshit people and i expect the same in return. If the shit was ready they would produce the beta, and again, i have been in may betas and i think (from what i can see) that this one is FAR OFF and i mean fucking FAR.

Sure D&L may have sucked ten kinds of hell, but at least it was produced.

[LanMandragon]

I would like to nominate you for forumboi of the year, Brannoc can we get a blue label on this guy? aww fuck it just make him a red dude and give him an important title.

I've patiently waited for this shit to start for too long. Few years ago i heard about it and watched from afar. Back then it seemed the devs were more active but after all this time i still havent seen anything that leads me to believe this beta will start before NEXT Christmas... 07'. I'm not sure what the intention was to announce this forumfall shit so early was, maybe they are looking for a 'magic number' of people registered on the forums before something else can happen, i dunno. Perhaps they are just using the numbers to get a publisher, but that obviously didnt work. I think of those registered here only a few , couple handfulls, actually follow the forum crap now.

As far as the excuse that 'they havent finished clan registration yet' well thats just bullshit... If they wanted it done it would be done. The fact is they open and close the clan registration process on what almost seems like a whim for a few hours at a time. The excuses are getting old... i don't bullshit people and i expect the same in return. If the shit was ready they would produce the beta, and again, i have been in may betas and i think (from what i can see) that this one is FAR OFF and i mean fucking FAR.

Yuppers.

They could start right now with the 500 or whatever guilds they have signed up if they wanted. I dont mind if they don't, and I dont think that most people do, we just want a bit more open honesty about the whole process.

[pronkyou2]

I'll just wait for GDC. Maybe they'll be there for a while, since E3 isn't public anymore, just press. All you hobos will just have to wait out in the cold. Or heat, depending on where you are. Beginning of March, sounds great. Just keep on whining.

[mercnet]

I likewise don't really give a shit, so it missed x-mas...no one truely expects much until mid 07 anyway...

Funny, they expected beta to come to bloom in 2003. Quite putting dates out, and people might leave you alone.

Just my suggestion.

[Ezekial]

Ice island is mine, bitches...

Just felt the need to reinforce this statement...

BTW Beta is coming in 07, Nostradomus and others predicted it, and I did the math.

I win!

[Lord_crapalot]

Just felt the need to reinforce this statement...

BTW Beta is coming in 07, Nostradomus and others predicted it, and I did the math.

I win!

Hope nostradomus is right for once then :)

[Ezekial]

Hope nostradomus is right for once then :)

You gotta look at lok-tor-ogar's or wtf his name is post from a couple of months back. I cried from laughing so hard.

[Lionking1Cyan]

I think we won't even get an update for new year. And i'm not talking about those stupid articles they release every now and then.

[Saldisar]

Hell, if that's the problem, I'll be their PR guy pro bono.

I would promise the following:
Bi-weekly updates with viable information/screenes.
Weekly iRC chats.
Hot cocoa samplers for new users.
And most importantly... I would never, ever use actual dates.

Vote Saldisar for PR stooge!!!

[Rossm]

why not? anything new would be good about right now

[paade]

if there was a substitute for darkfall, in another words a mmorpg with similar features, i would never visit this pile of empty promises ever again.

As it is like it is, im stuck here and the devs can safely keep on doing what theyve been doing for a long time: release few pics or shitty interviews every few months.:bang:

so yea ummm fuck.

[EnolaGay]

if there was a substitute for darkfall, in another words a mmorpg with similar features, i would never visit this pile of empty promises ever again.

As it is like it is, im stuck here and the devs can safely keep on doing what theyve been doing for a long time: release few pics or shitty interviews every few months.:bang:

so yea ummm fuck.


Truer words have never been spoken on this forum..........

How many people here would tell Darkfall to lick their brown eye if a similar game beats it to release? -- I would.

[Quinton]

There needs to be a warning label on this thread.

"Warning: Emo's ahead. Read with Caution"



The game will be released whenever it's released. Beta will be announced when it's ready. Today, tomorrow, next month, next year... does it really matter?

The problem begins when the team starts getting pushed and rushes the game. Then instead of griping about the game not being release, you'll gripe about how many bugs there are and how they should've been working on it longer.

Find something else to do in the interim and let them make the game right.

[cataclyzm]

why do ppl think that they are owed something, it is a game and devs are workign on it. its just for fun but the way some ppl carry on you might think that the devs are stabbing their babies. stop crying you little emo girls and go look at porn on the internet or something, it will help you get your manhood back lol

[LanMandragon]

why do ppl think that they are owed something, it is a game and devs are workign on it. its just for fun but the way some ppl carry on you might think that the devs are stabbing their babies. stop crying you little emo girls and go look at porn on the internet or something, it will help you get your manhood back lol

DEC 06.

You've been here less then a month.

[Quinton]

DEC 06.

You've been here less then a month.

So basically... what took him less than a month to figure out it apparently taking you nearly a year to grasp?

[LanMandragon]

So basically... what took him less than a month to figure out it apparently taking you nearly a year to grasp?

No but thanks for sharing.

Both of you numbskulls are still wrapped up in Noob Excitement.

[Quinton]

No but thanks for sharing.

Both of you numbskulls are still wrapped up in Noob Excitement.

I'm not very excited for this game. Yes, I was when I read up on it back in September. It was nice to see a game that didn't follow the formula everquest set as the industry standard for core building blocks of MMOG's.

But it's just a game. I have other things that require my attention and other games I can actually play.

Sitting on a forum to drool over a game that isn't released, or whine like a little emo bitch about how I deserve something because I've been a forum member since the early 2000's is not something I would consider either constructive or healthy minded.

[EnolaGay]

Sitting on a forum to drool over a game that isn't released,, isnt healthy minded .

Yet you are here posintg ?:lmao:

[Saldisar]

So basically... what took him less than a month to figure out it apparently taking you nearly a year to grasp?

lmao +1

[Quinton]

Yet you are here posintg ?:lmao:

Imagine that. I'm at work, on a holiday work week between Christmas and New Years. You can add that to my other hundred or so (if that) posts between the time I registered and now.

[Blue58]

Imagine that. I'm at work, on a holiday work week between Christmas and New Years. You can add that to my other hundred or so (if that) posts between the time I registered and now.

You joined 3 months ago and you already have 100+ posts??
Dont talk to others about spending too much time here or drooling over a game plz

:lmao:

[Quinton]

You joined 3 months ago and you already have 100+ posts??
Dont talk to others about spending too much time here or drooling over a game plz

:lmao:

Joined the 6th of September, 224 posts total. Most of which, are going back and forth with people on various topics. Some related to Darkfall, some discussing Darkfall, and yes even a few frothing posts.

The majority, however, are not drooling-over-a-game posts.


And believe you and me... 220+ posts over a 3-month span is on the extreme low end. It wouldn't suprise me that there are people here who joined on the tail end of November and have achieved a 1000+ post count.

[Leric]

Joined the 6th of September, 224 posts total. Most of which, are going back and forth with people on various topics. Some related to Darkfall, some discussing Darkfall, and yes even a few frothing posts.

The majority, however, are not drooling-over-a-game posts.


And believe you and me... 220+ posts over a 3-month span is on the extreme low end. It wouldn't suprise me that there are people here who joined on the tail end of November and have achieved a 1000+ post count.

yeah that's actually not that much, especially if he's doing it at work.

[WildCard GoD]

You people flat out dont get it.

I joined in '03 (just created a new name recently) and since then the devs have given nothing but false dates and promises. They have spit out the "beta is around the corner" innuendo for years now and people are flat out sick of it. Do they owe us anything? Nope. Would it be in their best interests to treat their player base like this? Nope.

Dont give us tentative dates and let them pass without so much as a "unfortunately we didnt meet our end of the year target we were aiming for. We are continuing to work as hard as we can to get the game into the beta stages and hope to have that done by march."

thats it. period. thats all we need.

If you set a tentative date and dont meet it thats fine, but at least just mention it to us..hell even go all out and say "were having some issues with X"...is that really too much to ask for? Again, many of us have been here 3+ years and have given DF so much word of mouth advertising that we DO feel a slight bit entitled. Is asking for 3 sentences REALLY out of line? no.

[Quinton]

You people flat out dont get it.

I joined in '03 (just created a new name recently) and since then the devs have given nothing but false dates and promises. They have spit out the "beta is around the corner" innuendo for years now and people are flat out sick of it. Do they owe us anything? Nope. Would it be in their best interests to treat their player base like this? Nope.

Dont give us tentative dates and let them pass without so much as a "unfortunately we didnt meet our end of the year target we were aiming for. We are continuing to work as hard as we can to get the game into the beta stages and hope to have that done by march."

thats it. period. thats all we need.

If you set a tentative date and dont meet it thats fine, but at least just mention it to us..hell even go all out and say "were having some issues with X"...is that really too much to ask for? Again, many of us have been here 3+ years and have given DF so much word of mouth advertising that we DO feel a slight bit entitled. Is asking for 3 sentences REALLY out of line? no.

Your entire argument is rendered moot in once sentence in your post.

Do they owe us anything? Nope.


I'll agree that the lack of communication stinks. It's the death of any relationship, especially between a company and it's fanbase. But considering the game hasn't made beta yet, regardless of the inuendos, I wouldn't take any heresay or interview seriously until I saw in big bold letters that the Beta was slated for a particular date.

Keep in mind, also, that this forum is hardly a spit of a fanbase. They haven't even begun any hardcore marketting yet. That's where they're going to be pulling in their numbers. Not from a dinky little forum (in the grand scheme of things) full of people who have been waiting anywhere between years to days for the game.

What it boils down to is not so much getting an answer from the dev's... but asking yourself if it's really worth hanging on every interview, update and 'innuendo' of beta?

Now don't get me wrong. I'd love nothing more for Darkfall to be released tomorrow, or hear a beta announcement. I check in almost daily for updates of the game... any. But when I don't see any, I browse the forum, check to see if there are any posts worthwhile... then move on.


So yea. Maybe I don't get it. But I really don't get why you would be sitting around for 3+ years expecting anything.

[WildCard GoD]

Your entire argument is rendered moot in once sentence in your post.

Do they owe us anything? Nope.


I'll agree that the lack of communication stinks. It's the death of any relationship, especially between a company and it's fanbase. But considering the game hasn't made beta yet, regardless of the inuendos, I wouldn't take any heresay or interview seriously until I saw in big bold letters that the Beta was slated for a particular date.

Keep in mind, also, that this forum is hardly a spit of a fanbase. They haven't even begun any hardcore marketting yet. That's where they're going to be pulling in their numbers. Not from a dinky little forum (in the grand scheme of things) full of people who have been waiting anywhere between years to days for the game.

What it boils down to is not so much getting an answer from the dev's... but asking yourself if it's really worth hanging on every interview, update and 'innuendo' of beta?

Now don't get me wrong. I'd love nothing more for Darkfall to be released tomorrow, or hear a beta announcement. I check in almost daily for updates of the game... any. But when I don't see any, I browse the forum, check to see if there are any posts worthwhile... then move on.


So yea. Maybe I don't get it. But I really don't get why you would be sitting around for 3+ years expecting anything.

Do the devs technically owe us anything? have we given them money and been promised something in return? no. Does that mean our devotion is worthless? no.

If you honestly believe this game will be filled by people drawn in due to advertising you are a confused little man. How many MMORPGs have you played due to advertising? or how many did you even first find out about due to advertising? Go look at shadowbane for an example of where this games population will come from. DF is shadowbane v 2.0 to many people...the second "savior" for PVPers everywhere. SB was a small company with ideas for their game (pvp) that went against the norm (carebears). Its player base was almost fully driven by MMORPG veterans who were aware of the game before any advertising was ever put in place. The majority of the remainder of people who bought it just happened to see it on the shelf at the store and picked it up.

If this community died, if nobody from this forum who has followed this game for YEARS bought it, told friends about it etc, the game would be a complete FAILURE. Right this second they dont owe us anything, but if they neglect us they are simply sealing their own fate. Were not paying now, but if they WANT us to they sure as hell better pull their heads out of their collective asses.

If I start a business, say to create a niche item, the last thing I want to do is piss off the rabid followers of my business. Why not? I dont owe them anything right? they havent given me a dime right? Well guess what jackass, those are the people who will be buying your niche product. Their word of mouth will bring in more people than any advertising you could even wish to afford. They will take some abuse because they really want your product, but after years of false dates and lack of communication they will wander off.

I am not interested in darkfall. I dont care about the devs. I am interested in the ideas of darkfall, and if another game company came along with a similar product and better communication, I would jump ship in an instant. Why shouldnt I? I dont owe the DF devs anything.

If the devs think their game can survive without the support of the people on these forums, then they will be in for a rude awakening when we start to turn our backs.

[Scry]

Do the devs technically owe us anything? have we given them money and been promised something in return? no. Does that mean our devotion is worthless? no.

If you honestly believe this game will be filled by people drawn in due to advertising you are a confused little man. How many MMORPGs have you played due to advertising? or how many did you even first find out about due to advertising? Go look at shadowbane for an example of where this games population will come from. DF is shadowbane v 2.0 to many people...the second "savior" for PVPers everywhere. SB was a small company with ideas for their game (pvp) that went against the norm (carebears). Its player base was almost fully driven by MMORPG veterans who were aware of the game before any advertising was ever put in place. The majority of the remainder of people who bought it just happened to see it on the shelf at the store and picked it up.

If this community died, if nobody from this forum who has followed this game for YEARS bought it, told friends about it etc, the game would be a complete FAILURE. Right this second they dont owe us anything, but if they neglect us they are simply sealing their own fate. Were not paying now, but if they WANT us to they sure as hell better pull their heads out of their collective asses.

If I start a business, say to create a niche item, the last thing I want to do is piss off the rabid followers of my business. Why not? I dont owe them anything right? they havent given me a dime right? Well guess what jackass, those are the people who will be buying your niche product. Their word of mouth will bring in more people than any advertising you could even wish to afford. They will take some abuse because they really want your product, but after years of false dates and lack of communication they will wander off.

I am not interested in darkfall. I dont care about the devs. I am interested in the ideas of darkfall, and if another game company came along with a similar product and better communication, I would jump ship in an instant. Why shouldnt I? I dont owe the DF devs anything.

If the devs think their game can survive without the support of the people on these forums, then they will be in for a rude awakening when we start to turn our backs.

I'm Scry the rogue and I approve of this post.

+2

[Unknewn]

Well bois? What do you all have to say?

This is not a provacative thread I'm merely starting up discussion.

So, we add another year to darkfalls long winded development stage. We all saw the cries of "I bet we get it by christmas!!!". Well, thats passed. Anyone want to take bets we won't even recieve an update until 07?

I've never guessed right when it will come so I'm not guessing when it's coming hehe.

[Darkmatter]

Of course we want the beta to start, but not before the team and game is ready - that goes for any stage in developing this game, you move on to the next when its ready to be moved. It's however not the point at all, some people have fortunately understood what the point is, while others still claim this to be a cry for beta.

Hi WildCard, just to place you, what handle did you use previously?

[WildCard GoD]

Of course we want the beta to start, but not before the team and game is ready - that goes for any stage in developing this game, you move on to the next when its ready to be moved. It's however not the point at all, some people have fortunately understood what the point is, while others still claim this to be a cry for beta.

Hi WildCard, just to place you, what handle did you use previously?

ApocalypseGoD

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[ApocalypseGoD]

Dont listen to this guy, hes a noob.

[coder1024]

best bet is to go play an existing game which is available. if you really like PvP, find the best available PvP game to your liking and play that. DFO could still be years away.

[Razel]

On a brighter fucking note, while its true forumfall don't owe anyone anything, year after year after year i have heard beta is coming this month or that month for every year and guess wot, these motherfuckers get free advertisement on our clan site and if they keep the shit up i'll remove it completely. Set a date, stick to it, very simple shit. Only reason they mentioned this forumfall crap years ago is for the free advertisments, thats it..... I dont care what kind of business your in, if you lie to your following your fucked. Free advertisement is great unless... you piss those providing it off. Lie to us some more and see what happens, and you can take that shit to the bank...

[ThreeFuries]

If it comes, it comes. But I don't expect anything other than the posted Screenies. IDK where they're getting their funding but it isn't coming out of my pockets (via subscription)

[HoE-Emmer]

3 more days!

[WildCard GoD]

Notice the only people defending the devs and saying "they dont owe us anything" are the guys who have been here less than a year? While everybody who has followed this game for a year+ (some up to 6 years!) all agree...interesting.

[HoE-Emmer]

For all we know they could have lost their funding. Maybe there is a huge problem with the code that they have been trying to workaround and having no luck which is delaying a beta.

Who the fuck knows at this point?

[Max Vitae]

Here's what I do know:

1) There is no real reason to believe this game is coming out any time soon, other than hope. Hell, the devs carefully go out of their way to promise nothing, timingwise.

2) If it DOES come out and is what it promises to be, they will have a rabid following, and it won't matter if a few dozen fanboys have become disgruntled along the way.

3) If it comes out and sucks, it will fail, and it won't have anything to do with how long it took to get there. (Although if Shadowbane is any guide, there will still be idiots who play it for a few years no matter how bad it is.)

[crazyhorse]

for about two years now I've said - December 21st 2012

Im sticking with it.

Those damn myans always predicting the future!

[Ezion]

If Darkfall came out a day after you gave up and said "I'm not buying this stupid game", would you still not buy it?

[Haro]

Notice the only people defending the devs and saying "they dont owe us anything" are the guys who have been here less than a year? While everybody who has followed this game for a year+ (some up to 6 years!) all agree...interesting.


They don't owe us anything.

Want a guarantee? Here's one:

Every single self-involved gamer who goes on about how they're outraged and insulted because they are "owed" something, will also fight like rabid dogs to be first in line to beta test it and buy it upon release.

You'll get what you're owed when you pony up 50$ (and 15$ monthly) to play the game.

[WildCard GoD]

They don't owe us anything.

Want a guarantee? Here's one:

Every single self-involved gamer who goes on about how they're outraged and insulted because they are "owed" something, will also fight like rabid dogs to be first in line to beta test it and buy it upon release.

You'll get what you're owed when you pony up 50$ (and 15$ monthly) to play the game.

If the devs dont realize they owe it to the community to keep the fans briefed and informed on the game (hell more for the devs own welfare moreso than for the fans) then you will simply see fewer and fewer devoted followers. You will see spiteful fans who could have been appeased with an occasional update that have left, never to return. They could essentially seal the fate of their own game by treating their fans of a NICHE product (DF will NOT be mainstream) like trash.

Ill get what im owed when I buy the game eh? well what if I dont buy the game due to feeling like ive been ignored and lied to? thats the path DF is heading down. Seriously, all it would take would be one big slip up and I could see a large chunk of the community say fuck it and move on. I saw it happen with SB...missed dates, failed promises, flat out lies...I watched people who were SB fanatics pre-release become so disgusted I couldnt convince them to even try the game.

[VerdicAysen]

Actually, treating a player base like this will infact destroy any chance they have of success. Need proof you say? Cmon, doesn't anyone remember Dark and Light? :P http://www.darkandlight.com LOL!

[Mennovh]

Company would only hurt themselves if they did the beta before the holidays. Why would they want to be sitting behind their desks troubleshooting the whole time and have to be at work during christmas. The game will be out when its out.

It would be nice to know why they pretty much stopped with the updates. Those were nice things to read during the week instead of reading the forum which recycles the same topics over and over.

[Psygnosis]

I'm the patient type, but luckily, I'm also incredibly forgetful...I've forgotten how long I've waited for DF. It'll be out soon. :D

[Atnas]

IT may, or may not, come out. No one can argue with that. Just relax and let the conspiracy theories rest.

[Wickfield]

Well bois? What do you all have to say?

This is not a provacative thread I'm merely starting up discussion.

So, we add another year to darkfalls long winded development stage. We all saw the cries of "I bet we get it by christmas!!!". Well, thats passed. Anyone want to take bets we won't even recieve an update until 07?

I really don't care...
07 is only 3 days away.

Happy New Years Everyone! :cool:

[BLACKWATCH]

Its not the waiting time for the game to go public, its there Rudeness to the community over the long haul, there Fucked up beyond all belief PUBLIC RELATION fiasco thats so damn depressing.

If they treat THERE community like this, How do you think there superior customer service will be like in game? , Aka "Shadowbane?"
Or even worse...

Ya just got to know how word of mouth, Is spreading on there
"Relationship" with what little community they have left, the WORD is out..

[Shadow Walker2020]

I've patiently waited for this shit to start for too long. Few years ago i heard about it and watched from afar. Back then it seemed the devs were more active but after all this time i still havent seen anything that leads me to believe this beta will start before NEXT Christmas... 07'. I'm not sure what the intention was to announce this forumfall shit so early was, maybe they are looking for a 'magic number' of people registered on the forums before something else can happen, i dunno. I think of those registered here only a few , couple handfulls, actually follow the forum crap now. Perhaps they are just using the numbers to get a publisher, but that obviously didnt work. My best guess is they are so far off from being finished they can't even think about talking to a publisher at this point in time...

You could be right. It is a possibility that they are behind on the game and cannot find a company to publish the game. But, the devs did say that Aventurine is prepaired to self publish the game if they have to.

As far as the excuse that 'they havent finished clan registration yet' well thats just bullshit... If they wanted it done it would be done. The fact is they open and close the clan registration process on what almost seems like a whim for a few hours at a time. The excuses are getting old... i don't bullshit people and i expect the same in return. If the shit was ready they would produce the beta, and again, i have been in may betas and i think (from what i can see) that this one is FAR OFF and i mean fucking FAR.


Actually, its only been the clan forum registration thats been opening and closing over and over again. The clan beta registration has been open and running non stop for close to a year now. The reason I did say that the clan registration is holding things up is that well, its been going on for close to a year now. Thats kinda odd, considering they dont have a shortage of clans to sign up. I think that their quota for clans should have been met by now.

As for the beta being far off, again, you could be right and probably are.

[ignorance]

Not true. I got a pamplet thingy in my Starcraft box (back in 1998) where they were "advertising" WoW (don't ask me why I remember that >.<).

True. WoW, as a name, had been around for a long time. I

[Interitus]

Ho Hum, another year...

[Raekwon]

T-Minus: 2.5 days...

[Darkmatter]

Some of you keep repeating that this thread is a whine for beta. I guess you haven't read all the posts then, as there's quite a lot of posts just looking for some answers from the developers. I'll try to put some perspective on this. Yes, we do want beta to start. No, we do not want them to rush. Yes, many of us actually care about the game and that the game does succeed. No, we do not know when the game will be released. Yes, we would like to hear estimates. No, we do not require to hear estimates. Yes, we will support the game even though we are frustrated mainly because we want these types of games to reach out beyond its niche and become widely popular as we see the whole genre and future of gaming drawing benefits from that happening.



I can only speak for myself and hopefully a few others too, when I say that I'm disappointed in the way they've chosen to handle and convey information. There's so many ways to tell how things are going, even without showing off fancy graphics, telling us trade secrets, or even promising us anything at all. It's about keeping us in the loop, and appriciating our support. Knowing why would in most cases be way better than stumbling in the dark, and knowing why would certainly create a surge of a wider understanding to why things are like this and why they choose to do the things they do. It was the blood through the veins of the community years back. It would for me now, ease the wait to hear from them in a down to earth way when they themselves felt like it instead of the sudden 'professional' PR replica posts with a few twists in them to gain new fans and let the old fans hang in there with their frustration. Certainly that is easier, or is it? I guess some would value long-term loyality, and very much so, but I guess others do not. I guess they don't need us any more than they need the newer fans, and that's certainly true. We're not any "better", we just found out about the game and have stuck with it longer, often because we found out about it sooner - who knows, maybe and hopefully, the new guys arriving in 2007 will stick with the game just like we've done - but hopefully with a lot more incentives to do so, not just imagination and hope of mmorpgs finaly being able to take the next step in terms of finding ways to game that does not involve the same boring routines over and over, and actually creates some meaningful gameplay in terms of what the players spend their time doing.



This is not a wish for beta to start early, nor for them to hurl out promises to us that they can not keep. It is just a message urging them to keep us in the loop on the project. So that we can discuss it and hopefully help it in many ways, like we 'hopefully' contributed in the past by our discussions and ideas. That's what we're here for, and I hope that is the very reason that they created and host these boards. At this point, they aren't much different than any other gaming board with a Darkfall topic in them. The difference of being here should be that we should be the closest to the developers, being able to hear from them, and yes, even ask questions and get them answered with full honesty. If certain answers are subject to change, you can slap a tag on them, and frankly say "However, this is subject to possible change in the future. It is how we've got it running now though." for example.



I can only hope that their interaction with their community, which they themselves create the habitat for through these boards, will increase in priority when the beta arrives. Maybe they can open up to the people who sign the agreements, if they can not convey themselves in a manner suitable for all followers, selected for the test or not. It needs to change. The dev.logs, the devspeak? To be perfectly honest, nothing would be easier than just log on and make a post to speak your mind and let the good administrators here handle the archiving for you if the alteration of the website to update the current devspeak feature of the site is too much of a hassle, which I can understand. What I can't understand is why you would, for any reason, decide to keep everything so quiet, it prolongs the wait and adds a touch of frustration. People would rather forget about the game, and return at a later stage, is that what you encourage? Come back in 4 months? Anyway, I just had to speak up to the people who think they've got this all figured out. We don't stay here for so long just to try another game, this is Darkfall, the game that will pull off what all the canned games did not, right? Well, I've been following this game a while, and I honestly don't have a clue if it will or not.



Does the game and team deserve my continued support? Probably not.

Will I follow the game closely in the coming year? Probably not.

Do the developers care that I'm/we're here? Probably not as individuals, but as a group, we are recognized. If one leaves, others will replace him. If we all leave and stample this as a bad project. It will be tainted.

Will we buy Darkfall, to just see what it is like even though we hand over our battlestations in this waiting game to the newer and fresher crowd? Yes certainly. I will either rejoice and continue playing, or laugh at myself for having waited so long and forget about the whole thing.

[LanMandragon]

Some of you keep repeating that this thread is a whine for beta. I guess you haven't read all the posts then, as there's quite a lot of posts just looking for some answers from the developers. I'll try to put some perspective on this. Yes, we do want beta to start. No, we do not want them to rush. Yes, many of us actually care about the game and that the game does succeed. No, we do not know when the game will be released. Yes, we would like to hear estimates. No, we do not require to hear estimates. Yes, we will support the game even though we are frustrated mainly because we want these types of games to reach out beyond its niche and become widely popular as we see the whole genre and future of gaming drawing benefits from that happening.



I can only speak for myself and hopefully a few others too, when I say that I'm disappointed in the way they've chosen to handle and convey information. There's so many ways to tell how things are going, even without showing off fancy graphics, telling us trade secrets, or even promising us anything at all. It's about keeping us in the loop, and appriciating our support. Knowing why would in most cases be way better than stumbling in the dark, and knowing why would certainly create a surge of a wider understanding to why things are like this and why they choose to do the things they do. It was the blood through the veins of the community years back. It would for me now, ease the wait to hear from them in a down to earth way when they themselves felt like it instead of the sudden 'professional' PR replica posts with a few twists in them to gain new fans and let the old fans hang in there with their frustration. Certainly that is easier, or is it? I guess some would value long-term loyality, and very much so, but I guess others do not. I guess they don't need us any more than they need the newer fans, and that's certainly true. We're not any "better", we just found out about the game and have stuck with it longer, often because we found out about it sooner - who knows, maybe and hopefully, the new guys arriving in 2007 will stick with the game just like we've done - but hopefully with a lot more incentives to do so, not just imagination and hope of mmorpgs finaly being able to take the next step in terms of finding ways to game that does not involve the same boring routines over and over, and actually creates some meaningful gameplay in terms of what the players spend their time doing.



This is not a wish for beta to start early, nor for them to hurl out promises to us that they can not keep. It is just a message urging them to keep us in the loop on the project. So that we can discuss it and hopefully help it in many ways, like we 'hopefully' contributed in the past by our discussions and ideas. That's what we're here for, and I hope that is the very reason that they created and host these boards. At this point, they aren't much different than any other gaming board with a Darkfall topic in them. The difference of being here should be that we should be the closest to the developers, being able to hear from them, and yes, even ask questions and get them answered with full honesty. If certain answers are subject to change, you can slap a tag on them, and frankly say "However, this is subject to possible change in the future. It is how we've got it running now though." for example.



I can only hope that their interaction with their community, which they themselves create the habitat for through these boards, will increase in priority when the beta arrives. Maybe they can open up to the people who sign the agreements, if they can not convey themselves in a manner suitable for all followers, selected for the test or not. It needs to change. The dev.logs, the devspeak? To be perfectly honest, nothing would be easier than just log on and make a post to speak your mind and let the good administrators here handle the archiving for you if the alteration of the website to update the current devspeak feature of the site is too much of a hassle, which I can understand. What I can't understand is why you would, for any reason, decide to keep everything so quiet, it prolongs the wait and adds a touch of frustration. People would rather forget about the game, and return at a later stage, is that what you encourage? Come back in 4 months? Anyway, I just had to speak up to the people who think they've got this all figured out. We don't stay here for so long just to try another game, this is Darkfall, the game that will pull off what all the canned games did not, right? Well, I've been following this game a while, and I honestly don't have a clue if it will or not.



Does the game and team deserve my continued support? Probably not.

Will I follow the game closely in the coming year? Probably not.

Do the developers care that I'm/we're here? Probably not as individuals, but as a group, we are recognized. If one leaves, others will replace him. If we all leave and stample this as a bad project. It will be tainted.

Will we buy Darkfall, to just see what it is like even though we hand over our battlestations in this waiting game to the newer and fresher crowd? Yes certainly. I will either rejoice and continue playing, or laugh at myself for having waited so long and forget about the whole thing.

Your a king among men.

[Sarusan]

You allmost summed up all my feelings Darkmatter. Nice post really, some people should read it..

[ThreeFuries]

Cheers mate :D

[forestchild]

Ill wait nobody force me to come hear, its wurth waiting for this game!

2007 LAUNCHE YEAR DFO!!!!!

I hope:D

[forestchild]

Oh and HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!

[[AG]Salsabus]

When you realise that ForumFall (TM) is the game you lose all the anxiety you have for beta.

[Darkmatter]

Thanks guys, it's great to know that many, I dare to say -most, think the way I do regarding this issue. It's been a long haul to stay active this long - almost every single day we check the boards, and it wouldn't be possible without the rest of the community and the massive interest in this game, we've got some very good and loyal people here who only wants the best for this game. If you look at most of the other gaming communities around, and I've been in a few, the level of maturity and togetherness of these boards are much better overall. Some people on other boards are jealous of the conditions we've maintained here, and the tradition of having good Moderators. We're resourceful, and strongly believe in our causes which are Darkfall and to find and support a way to better massivly multiplayer online gaming, and save it from its apparent stagnation. Dare to think new, and dare to choose a different path than the combination and formulas that always seem to work, but never in essence really evolves.

[Pyro636]

ahhh dec 21 2012...the day the world ends correct?

the world will end when darkfall beta commences, but as the Revelations says, you will not know when the world will end. Just like we dont know when darkfall beta will start. dont you see? darkfall beta is just code for the world's end

[LanMandragon]

I think that having Tasos post a little update today goes to show that this Dev team does listen.

It also tells me FUCK YOU to all of the people saying we shouldn't ask for updates or explanations.

Well boys we have January and a solid status report to look forward to. Lets hold him to it.

[Darkmatter]

We really appreciate your support and your feedback on these community boards so far, and we're looking forward to working with you more actively in the near future.



This was by far the best part of his message today. However, let's not be naive. These are only words, looking to the past, many things can stand in the way of them following through. Looking at the future, anyone can change. As long as they're open about why they can't communicate, not even a post in their spare time. I've studied law for years, claiming to be too busy to relay a simple message which requires a matter of minutes to create and send - and they have the equipment required at hand and it is functional, this is not a proper excuse and will not stand to their advantage. This was just an example, and as there are no legally binding agreements or similar they can not be held to it. Besides, it should be no reason to be angry if however the reason is a valid one, I'm guessing they need to trust us to handle the truth a bit more. The message was very positive though not as specific as one would like. If the level of interaction is higher in January then they've understood the need. We should thank him back for forwarding the teams appriciation of us being here, and hope that he will keep his word and re-initiate the open and honest dialogue between developers and community members even though that means spending a few minutes now and then writing a post or chat. Less of the PR, more of the truth and status of things. We do not need it conveyed through third-party sites, time will be saved if you cut the third parties and just post it on your own site or through your own forums - or simply tell it in a chat. People will log it and post like they've done in the past.


Once the beta arrives, there'll surely be an NDA, but that doesn't have to mean that they -have- to keep all beta related interaction to the beta testers only, there should still be word on the goings on, word when reaching certain milestones in testing and so forth. The community needs to know if there are set-backs, if something went wrong in general, (what is the reason for choosing not to post a single post in discussion threads, why no chatting, why are the other devs kept silent and Tasos is the only one with the "task" or right to talk to us at this stage?) - just as well as we'd be happy to hear about the positives of the testing and development. These are the real interesting issues besides game details and so forth. It's the day to day and week to week interaction that is missed the most. Even us not directly involved in actual beta testing could help through voicing in on certain features currently being tested, or for example be polled if certain issues (options A or B?) need to be settled. Actual ideas are probably not needed 'at this stage', but they'll always need creative ideas for expansions and the like, suggestions to solutions technical/gameplay wise and so forth - if somehow a member could get the official recognition/credit for being the mind behind an idea they choose to include in the game it could be a great incentive to make people forward their ideas to the team. Once we know the current status of the game, what it lacks, what they could do better and so forth - these things will "hopefully" be uncovered during testing, not just the bugs and balancing - the perspective we have to give feedback from will be far improved compared to what we've been used to and this can only mean good things for the quality of discussions and arguments in one way or another.


We've heard it before. They've tried starting with the dev.logs again, it failed. They've tried starting with the devspeak again too, it failed. One or two updates of these in the course of an entire year. If its troublesome, make it simpler, save time, and still the information written will be valuable to those following the game and also to those trying still to form an opinion of the game.

[Scry]

*Well thought out post*

You are the voice of the people.

I agree completely with your points and I enjoy your style of writing, which has philosophy sprinkled throughout. Keep posting, you are never wrong.

[Sarusan]

Oh well, what can i say. I agree with Scry. I wish i would know english so good to make out every word and sentence as i do in polish :S.

Repeating Darkmatter's words "Lets not be naive". Thats for all of you praising this little "update" from Tassos. I walked through many forums, communities, groups...didnt we deserve "a little" more?

[BLACKWATCH]

Hate to say it, but Ive seen the TALK, many times over, lots of Dev Talk,
but so far little to no Walk the walk...
Time will tell. The Past has already reveled how they are.

[LanMandragon]

Hate to say it, but Ive seen the TALK, many times over, lots of Dev Talk,
but so far little to no Walk the walk...
Time will tell. The Past has already reveled how they are.

Well, this time he said solid update in January. Which means I get to raise even more hell if they fail to meet that.

[EnolaGay]

Well, this time he said solid update in January. Which means I get to raise even more hell if they fail to meet that.

I guess we will find out what their definition of "solid update" is.

To me a solid update would be a status report on development - a rough run down on what is finished and what is still in the works, a firm beta date, and info on whats going on with the publishing of the game.

If Jan rolls around and their solid update turns out to be like 10 screen shots from different angles of some random battle scene while spewing the same old vague bullshit without getting into specifics and ending it with some crap about how hard they are working to complete the game, beta will be "soon"tm and we should keep our eyes out for a future "announcement" - then I am done with this vaporware game.

[Goty]

Well, this time he said solid update in January. Which means I get to raise even more hell if they fail to meet that.


Heheh.

This isn't the first time they've said, "Expect something in January," or "February" or "March" - and so on. We've all been down this road before. Best to just smile and nod, look out the window, and wait until the ride is over - which is when we'll finally be able to run each other over mercilessly with my overuse of metaphor.

[Razel]

I guess we will find out what their definition of "solid update" is.

To me a solid update would be a status report on development - a rough run down on what is finished and what is still in the works, a firm beta date, and info on whats going on with the publishing of the game.

If Jan rolls around and their solid update turns out to be like 10 screen shots from different angles of some random battle scene while spewing the same old vague bullshit without getting into specifics and ending it with some crap about how hard they are working to complete the game, beta will be "soon"tm and we should keep our eyes out for a future "announcement" - then I am done with this vaporware game.


ageed... and if thats all their solid update is going to be, (a few screenies and a promise of beta 'in the near future'), I'll be removing this shit from our website. Let them pay for their advertisements like any other 'real' company, ya kno... like the ones that have a real website and credentials...

[Norse]

If Jan rolls around and their solid update turns out to be like 10 screen shots from different angles of some random battle scene while spewing the same old vague bullshit without getting into specifics and ending it with some crap about how hard they are working to complete the game, beta will be "soon"tm and we should keep our eyes out for a future "announcement" - then I am done with this vaporware game.

Bullshit, either way you will read these forums and play the game when its released.

[Xinnro]

Darkfall by Easter.

I JUST KNOW IT

[Scry]

ageed... and if thats all their solid update is going to be, (a few screenies and a promise of beta 'in the near future'), I'll be removing this shit from our website. Let them pay for their advertisements like any other 'real' company, ya kno... like the ones that have a real website and credentials...

I'm sure the loss of advertising on a site nobody goes to will devastate the Darkfall sales.

[LanMandragon]

Heheh.

This isn't the first time they've said, "Expect something in January," or "February" or "March" - and so on. We've all been down this road before. Best to just smile and nod, look out the window, and wait until the ride is over - which is when we'll finally be able to run each other over mercilessly with my overuse of metaphor.

Still, it gives me permission to raise hell.

[BlueLion70]

Well bois? What do you all have to say?

This is not a provacative thread I'm merely starting up discussion.

So, we add another year to darkfalls long winded development stage. We all saw the cries of "I bet we get it by christmas!!!". Well, thats passed. Anyone want to take bets we won't even recieve an update until 07?

I admit I was one of the people saying we'd have it by christmas, but my guess was christmas 2011, which is probably correct.

[Haro]

If the devs dont realize they owe it to the community to keep the fans briefed and informed on the game (hell more for the devs own welfare moreso than for the fans) then you will simply see fewer and fewer devoted followers. You will see spiteful fans who could have been appeased with an occasional update that have left, never to return. They could essentially seal the fate of their own game by treating their fans of a NICHE product (DF will NOT be mainstream) like trash.

Ill get what im owed when I buy the game eh? well what if I dont buy the game due to feeling like ive been ignored and lied to? thats the path DF is heading down. Seriously, all it would take would be one big slip up and I could see a large chunk of the community say fuck it and move on. I saw it happen with SB...missed dates, failed promises, flat out lies...I watched people who were SB fanatics pre-release become so disgusted I couldnt convince them to even try the game.


SB lost its playerbase because of a horribly buggy product, and gameplay that fell far far short of the promises.

*If* DF measures up decently to its promises, it won't matter a tiny bit how a bunch of whiny gamers feel before the game is even released.

They don't owe you anything at this point.

Any serious pvp player will buy the game to at least try it out. At that point, the it's up to the game itself.

[Haro]

If the devs dont realize they owe it to the community to keep the fans briefed and informed on the game (hell more for the devs own welfare moreso than for the fans) then you will simply see fewer and fewer devoted followers. You will see spiteful fans who could have been appeased with an occasional update that have left, never to return. They could essentially seal the fate of their own game by treating their fans of a NICHE product (DF will NOT be mainstream) like trash.

Ill get what im owed when I buy the game eh? well what if I dont buy the game due to feeling like ive been ignored and lied to? thats the path DF is heading down. Seriously, all it would take would be one big slip up and I could see a large chunk of the community say fuck it and move on. I saw it happen with SB...missed dates, failed promises, flat out lies...I watched people who were SB fanatics pre-release become so disgusted I couldnt convince them to even try the game.


SB lost its playerbase because of a horribly buggy product, and gameplay that fell far far short of the promises.

*If* DF measures up decently to its promises, it won't matter a tiny bit how a bunch of whiny gamers feel before the game is even released.

They don't owe you anything at this point.

Any serious pvp player will buy the game to at least try it out. At that point, the it's up to the game itself.


Shocked that the world doesn't revolve around you? Haha, yes darlings, there is no Santa Claus either. ;) I'm guessing the devs' world revolves around creating a quality product first and foremost. A quality, relatively non-buggy product will sell itself.

That said, I'm sure they appreciate long-time supporters. But anyone thinking they're owed anything at this point needs to get over themselves.

[Sushiman]

Man you really need a life.

Don't you have anything better to do than to start useless threads?

Nobody really cares about your uninformed opinion about fanbois or anything else for that matter.

[Raekwon]

This was by far the best part of his message today. However, let's not be naive. These are only words, looking to the past, many things can stand in the way of them following through. Looking at the future, anyone can change. As long as they're open about why they can't communicate, not even a post in their spare time. I've studied law for years, claiming to be too busy to relay a simple message which requires a matter of minutes to create and send - and they have the equipment required at hand and it is functional, this is not a proper excuse and will not stand to their advantage. This was just an example, and as there are no legally binding agreements or similar they can not be held to it. Besides, it should be no reason to be angry if however the reason is a valid one, I'm guessing they need to trust us to handle the truth a bit more. The message was very positive though not as specific as one would like. If the level of interaction is higher in January then they've understood the need. We should thank him back for forwarding the teams appreciation of us being here, and hope that he will keep his word and re-initiate the open and honest dialogue between developers and community members even though that means spending a few minutes now and then writing a post or chat. Less of the PR, more of the truth and status of things. We do not need it conveyed through third-party sites, time will be saved if you cut the third parties and just post it on your own site or through your own forums - or simply tell it in a chat. People will log it and post like they've done in the past.


Once the beta arrives, there'll surely be an NDA, but that doesn't have to mean that they -have- to keep all beta related interaction to the beta testers only, there should still be word on the goings on, word when reaching certain milestones in testing and so forth. The community needs to know if there are set-backs, if something went wrong in general, (what is the reason for choosing not to post a single post in discussion threads, why no chatting, why are the other devs kept silent and Tasos is the only one with the "task" or right to talk to us at this stage?) - just as well as we'd be happy to hear about the positives of the testing and development. These are the real interesting issues besides game details and so forth. It's the day to day and week to week interaction that is missed the most. Even us not directly involved in actual beta testing could help through voicing in on certain features currently being tested, or for example be polled if certain issues (options A or B?) need to be settled. Actual ideas are probably not needed 'at this stage', but they'll always need creative ideas for expansions and the like, suggestions to solutions technical/gameplay wise and so forth - if somehow a member could get the official recognition/credit for being the mind behind an idea they choose to include in the game it could be a great incentive to make people forward their ideas to the team. Once we know the current status of the game, what it lacks, what they could do better and so forth - these things will "hopefully" be uncovered during testing, not just the bugs and balancing - the perspective we have to give feedback from will be far improved compared to what we've been used to and this can only mean good things for the quality of discussions and arguments in one way or another.


We've heard it before. They've tried starting with the dev.logs again, it failed. They've tried starting with the devspeak again too, it failed. One or two updates of these in the course of an entire year. If its troublesome, make it simpler, save time, and still the information written will be valuable to those following the game and also to those trying still to form an opinion of the game.

To add to this, like he said, the Devs could simplify the way they present updates to us in order to facilitate a more constant flow of information. Lengthy written articles where every word they say it in is analyzed to the bone and used against them of course requires a lot of time to compile, days probably... so instead they could just release more screen shots and actually give short descriptions of what they are. Or make a video and let it do the speaking for you.

I also don't feel they think we care about the small achievements they make. They must think we are the casual fan that heard about DF once or twice and we're here just to see when beta starts. But the fact is, just about anyone reading this thread is insanely interested in even the most minute detail. So for FANS like us, they truly can release updates that would seem silly to the casual fan; such as, "This week we created one new monster, the Oogle, and fixed a bug where for some reason non of the NPC vendors in towns had shoes."

If they posted a weekly update log like that, those small bits of info would really add up.

[Xinnro]

What I don't understand is i often hear them say they don't have a PR person which is the reason why they dont update too much.

1. IT takes 5 mins tops to make a post about some things that have happened... 5 mins in one week..doubt you will get A LOT of developing work done.

2. Mostly all people on the forums would gladly volunteer to do the job for free...

[BLACKWATCH]

Something thats puzzling me, if they ever do come out with a Beta, will they pull a Shadowbane customer service slime trick, by constantly wiping the Forum of any and all negative complaints, issues, ripoffs, like Shadowbane did from the beginning to the end?

I ponder this as there total lack of Customer(community) service is appalling, it is actually worse then Shadowbanes, and they were some what friendly if a bit on the aragant side.

But come beta and the complaints flood in, the issues appear, the customers voice there concerns, will Darkfall customer service, delete, dump, wipe and try to only allow the positive remarks to remain, be the norm for this forum...

I see a strange similarity to how the Darkfall comunity service (developers side,Forum mods are doing ok) by there total snubbing of there community could reflect in the forum once the bate is running... hum...

[Elijah]

Something thats puzzling me, if they ever do come out with a Beta, will they pull a Shadowbane customer service slime trick, by constantly wiping the Forum of any and all negative complaints, issues, ripoffs, like Shadowbane did from the beginning to the end?

I ponder this as there total lack of Customer(community) service is appalling, it is actually worse then Shadowbanes, and they were some what friendly if a bit on the aragant side.

But come beta and the complaints flood in, the issues appear, the customers voice there concerns, will Darkfall customer service, delete, dump, wipe and try to only allow the positive remarks to remain, be the norm for this forum...

I see a strange similarity to how the Darkfall comunity service (developers side,Forum mods are doing ok) by there total snubbing of there community could reflect in the forum once the bate is running... hum...
Well, that's definitely not impossible. People can be slimeballs, and all we can do is hope the Aventurine is, in fact, trying to create a quality product, and not just cash in on long-time followers and fans like us.

[pronkyou2]

Well, that's definitely not impossible. People can be slimeballs, and all we can do is hope the Aventurine is, in fact, trying to create a quality product, and not just cash in on long-time followers and fans like us.
Experience states that Americans are generally the slimeball companies, and these guys want a great game and to be known for it, not to beat down the playerbase and stifle their voice like SWG when they ripped off all the Jedi by making it a starter class. Just one opinion though.

[Helgeran]

Something thats puzzling me, if they ever do come out with a Beta, will they pull a Shadowbane customer service slime trick, by constantly wiping the Forum of any and all negative complaints, issues, ripoffs, like Shadowbane did from the beginning to the end?

I think that's what is taking them so long, making sure everyone will love beta. I think they realise if people play beta and then go around the net saying it's shit peopel will forever* turn away from this game.

*till years from now someone rediscover it, play it and dreams of how wonderful it would have been with more than 100 players per server

[g0dp0wer]

whats taking them so long is because they have a lot of content imo

[Unahim]

whats taking them so long is because they have a lot of content imo

Necro alert!:shoo:

[Mhorham]

uggggg!

you should have waited untill Dec to bump this. It would have had more troll power.

[Oo_]

It's a premature necro, bumped 5 months too early.

[Squarehelljumpr]

Warning, This Thread Has Been Necroed
Its Contents Could Be Poisonous, Deadly, Lies, And Evil
Every Word Is An Undead Zombie
Run Away!!

[Scabre]

Necro'd thread makes llama sad. :(

[Nashtak]

You have successfully necro'd a really really old thread.

[Jaevin]

Klaatu Barada Niktummhmmhrmmhummm...

:lmao:

[Ruggulkrek]

From 2006, holy shit, LoL. Yeah, December would've been the time to res, but, I still have faith considering they said the release is official by the end of the year.

[Lethn]

I'd post a flame, but the last time I did I got banned for it, and apparently it's wrong to report people like this too.

[yamisniper]

rmeebr if playtesting starts and it need to be delayed dont hold them do that release date. kinda take an offcial release date for playtesting to start

[Balo]

this thread smells.....dead

[Nefastus]

rmeebr if playtesting starts and it need to be delayed dont hold them do that release date. kinda take an offcial release date for playtesting to start

Yami, I understand you are around 12 years old, but for sake, learn to fucking write. Still haven't figured out what's 2 + 2 x 2?

[Deja vu]

Yet another year goes by... oh weight this is from 06 and its not Christmas yet.

Just like one of the first guys say if the game does not come out this winter Forumfall will still go on.

[Byggin]

Read the first few pages, they are talking the same about beta as we are right now, 2 years ago.

[Beorg]

whats taking them so long is because they have a lot of content imo


I guess it is true; Necromancers do have all the fun.

[Beeblebrox]

There is something that's not entirely clear for me: is this the first time the devs have stated a date (the year, at least) for release or this has happened before?

I see this old threads where people say things like "oh they missed another year". Were this people just assuming or something official really had been said before?

[Corwen]

Long live forumfall!

[Calibos]

P1us one

[EagleEye]

There is something that's not entirely clear for me: is this the first time the devs have stated a date (the year, at least) for release or this has happened before?

I see this old threads where people say things like "oh they missed another year". Were this people just assuming or something official really had been said before?

They've mentioned internal target dates in the past, which is really all we've been given this time too. This time they just sound a lot more sure of themselves.

[Helgeran]

Darkfall has and will always be 6 months away.

[salbrismind]

Darkfall has and will always be 6 months away.

Except in 2 weeks.

[Ferox]

uggggg!

you should have waited untill Dec to bump this. It would have had more troll power.

very true, I usually never check dates so I end up posting in nercro'd posts after these people bring them back... but when i saw Christmas I was suspicious .