8/04/06, Warcry weekly update - Low end screenshots and information [Archive]

RhyssaFireheart

08-04-2006, 11:42 PM

Proofreading the update would be a good start:
...Krush of Darkfall Information website posted some images of this ilk a little while back, so if you happened to miss those, take a look at them here.

As for our batch, here are a couple of samples! Click the 'Read More' link for the full range!

What kind of lower end video card was it, is that known? Those don't look to bad at all though, not at all.

Sarmatian

08-04-2006, 11:52 PM

These "lower grade" screenshots look better than some of the screenshots from the past.

The males face in the first screenshot looks good. Plenty of detail imo.

Metal Wolf

08-04-2006, 11:58 PM

Lighthouse FTW!
I cant wait for some crazy high lvl mage to lock himself in one and chunk fireballs at anyone passing close by.

Also the charicters getting all bloody will be something I look forward to alot, I'm tired of all these pristene corpses. Looks like a hollywood batlefield on most MMO's everyones all perfect just either dead or alive.

LanMandragon

08-04-2006, 11:59 PM

still looks great on low.

Thanks.

JimLad

08-05-2006, 12:01 AM

That view range is snazzarific! :D
Seriously I was slightly worried that it might not show off the large world as well without enough distance. But the third and fourth shots look brilliant, especially the lighthouse, how awesome is that!? :ninja:

Looking forwards to the return to normal though next week.

iza

08-05-2006, 12:11 AM

Nice screens, looks like they fixed the red triangle blood thing. I'm a little disappointed though, there's more health bars. :(

BlackVolgan

08-05-2006, 12:12 AM

awsome.....

JOeFW

08-05-2006, 12:33 AM

nice =) but i dont see any skills at skillbar =(

TreyDingo2020

08-05-2006, 01:00 AM

short, vague, sweet. The devs are unfaltering when it comes to updates.

cant wait to see if next week brings some info.

Atnas

08-05-2006, 01:07 AM

nice =) but i dont see any skills at skillbar =(

I don't think they needed skills for screenshots.

Suitepee

08-05-2006, 01:15 AM

Wow the screenshots continue to impress. :D

The general UI still seems to be very minimal. As in; a good way and not taking up too much of the screen while looking damn good in the process.
Although I'd guess with the high emphasis on tracking people,it'd only be logical.

Looking forward to the informational update. :D

Metrobius

08-05-2006, 01:54 AM

I want to know the outcome of the fight. I'm liking the scale armor though.

-Zephyr-

08-05-2006, 01:56 AM

not bad, hopefully we'll get some cool stuff next week.

Ashindir

08-05-2006, 02:04 AM

Good to know that the "low end" PC users will still have a great time on Agon.

purgatorious

08-05-2006, 02:06 AM

After driving a train for 12 hours it's nice to come home to an ice cold beer and Darkfall updates. Also nice to know it looks good on a low grade video card since im building a budget pc for my wife to play on.

V1RUS

08-05-2006, 02:36 AM

Necrash

08-05-2006, 03:03 AM

yey yet another screen shot run around!!

When are they gona start with the vauge updates again I think i lked thouse better!! at least you could debate them!!

Sack

08-05-2006, 03:11 AM

The alfar looks sweet!

boby

08-05-2006, 03:17 AM

nice stuff :cool:

Shadowoak

08-05-2006, 03:37 AM

nice =) but i dont see any skills at skillbar =(

Its weird, cause if you look at the taskbar, it seems like its turned to the 7th tab. Its like they don't want to show the icons of the skills.

Also, at the bottom of the bar, there seems to be a distinct slot, that's separated from the others. It could be the currently active skill, the one you're gonna use when you click, and if its that, then I suppose it confirms the rumours about the combat system.

nazual

08-05-2006, 04:54 AM

Wow, the screenshot of the lighthouse in the background looks awesome.

Killuminati

08-05-2006, 05:50 AM

Nice update for me :D

Shadow Walker2020

08-05-2006, 07:00 AM

Even though those shots were taken on a low end video card, the still look really good.

The dragon armor is definetly on my "must have items" list. I wonder if you need dragon scales to make it or if its called dragon armor simply because of its design. I really hope its the later, because I really want to deck my pure warrior out in a full suit of that and to sell it with my smith too.

Its screen shots like this that make me hope that the devs make the view mode manually toggleable. I really would like to be able to play entirely in third person view.

LanMandragon

08-05-2006, 07:07 AM

yey yet another screen shot run around!!

When are they gona start with the vauge updates again I think i lked thouse better!! at least you could debate them!!

Sweet. Heres an even better idea, whine about what updates we get so they stop updating.

Shadow Walker2020

08-05-2006, 07:18 AM

Nice screens. Still looks pretty damn good for being low end, though I find it funny that the blood looks better on "low end" then it does with their normal screenies...unless they fixed it. Viewing distance is great, and the grass isn't flat, so people can't debuff their gfx to try and gain a visual "advantage". Whats with the name and health bar above the horse though? Thought that wasn't going to be in the game.

I believe that the devs said that you could kill someones mount while they are on it. I think thats what the horses health bar is there for, so you can attack your opponent's mount and kill it in an attempt to dismount them.

Shadow Walker2020

08-05-2006, 07:23 AM

Did anyone see this guys shield here? (http://df.warcry.com/scripts/images/view_image.phtml?id=79637&site=7) It looks like its got the Mercian national insignia on it. Looks good even on a low video card.

Raekwon

08-05-2006, 10:46 AM

Hey Sack I dont think anyone is gonna take the bait...

Legolas

08-05-2006, 11:32 AM

The engine gives many ppl with low end computers hope, and thats great!

But low end gfx today are X1600 and 6800 a.s.o. and those are as most
of you know working pretty well today in new games. atleast for me.

Figrix Voidstar

08-05-2006, 11:48 AM

A solid set of screenshots http://forums.darkfallonline.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

This steady stream of updates is kicking ass. About a year back, updates at this pace never happened, and many thought it wouldn't happen. l I think Darkfall has made some amazing progress since then.

Thanks for keeping us posted :sly:

rekker

08-05-2006, 12:11 PM

Nice screenshots, It'd be good to see some more of the UI though. All DF players will be looking and using the UI constantly, so it's definatly an important feature.

fatgit

08-05-2006, 01:13 PM

The screens show that a low end card can still display decent graphics on the engine, but what I really want to see, is the FPS in a decent sized fight.

As we all know, previous and current MMO's grind to a halt once you start scaling up the number of players in an area, or in battle.

SWG for example, neither the servers, or the graphics engine, could handle more than about 10v10 in an area, wow on an Athlon 64 3700 with 25Mb 6800GS and 1Gig ram, you're looking at 6-8fps in some 40man content (at best).

I'd kill for some video footage of say, 20v20 on an average system, with the fps shown :)

However, keep the screens coming :)

Baldr

08-05-2006, 03:19 PM

Keep the screenies coming. :)

WonderBrick

08-05-2006, 03:57 PM

Its screen shots like this that make me hope that the devs make the view mode manually toggleable. I really would like to be able to play entirely in third person view.

Do you mean you want to play TPV for spellcasting and archery also? How do you plan on killing anything or anyone with ranged attacks in TPV with manual aiming?

WhatTheFawk

08-05-2006, 06:04 PM

Do you mean you want to play TPV for spellcasting and archery also? How do you plan on killing anything or anyone with ranged attacks in TPV with manual aiming?

The same way we do in mount and blade? Or Savage...

kehmesis

08-05-2006, 06:04 PM

Love it... thanks.

I'm glad I'll be able to lower the graphics down to get a smoother gameplay, especially during big fights, and still get decent eye candy.

kehmesis

08-05-2006, 06:11 PM

Do you mean you want to play TPV for spellcasting and archery also? How do you plan on killing anything or anyone with ranged attacks in TPV with manual aiming?

A TPV shoulder cam is very similar to FPV. The aiming thingy (name escapes me) can still be in the middle of the screen and used to aim spells and fire arrows.

In the end, I think the FPV will be dropped for a restrictive TPV option.

Darius Black

08-05-2006, 06:38 PM

Yeah, as long as the the camera works about the same, TPV will likely become more popular. Especially for the lady characters. ;) Here's to hoping Kehmesis is right.

Edit: Oh, and it's a crosshair.

TheAntilionX

08-05-2006, 07:32 PM

Sweet! looks like they finally fix the blood

nice pic's seems like a 64mb card should do it but i already bought a 512:idea: !damm it!

r4nge

08-05-2006, 08:43 PM

good stuff. Im just so happy we have a solid stream of things coming our way.

Dronjak

08-05-2006, 09:56 PM

Meh

WonderBrick

08-05-2006, 10:02 PM

The same way we do in mount and blade? Or Savage...
Good luck killing anything quickly or accurately with that TPV casting/archery then.

WonderBrick

08-05-2006, 10:09 PM

A TPV shoulder cam is very similar to FPV. The aiming thingy (name escapes me) can still be in the middle of the screen and used to aim spells and fire arrows.

In the end, I think the FPV will be dropped for a restrictive TPV option.

TPV ranged combat is not very similiar to FPV, especially when placed at distance in the screenshots. Your crosshair operates off a hinged axis at your character's location on the screen.

Have you ever played a TPV shooter? Or even a polished TPV shooter like Heretic 2? And you still feel that is similiar to Quake, Unreal, CS, Oblivion, etc FPV? Do you get the same or similiar accuracy results?

The Halo 1 development team even scrapped TPV combat(various ranged combat types) for FPV combat because TPV was so ineffective.

LanMandragon

08-05-2006, 10:58 PM

yeah i want FPV all the way.

kehmesis

08-05-2006, 11:20 PM

I prefer TPV as well, but the fact that I'll have to use a melee weapon to run around to have a better view of my suroundings, and then sheath(?) it to go into FPV and cast a spell sucks.

I have played a few games that used a crosshair (thanks I had forgotten the term) and it played pretty well. Like hmmm Jedi Knights? But I'll take your words for it, I'm not really into FPS's. The only FPS I actively played is Counter Strike, Doom and Wolf Einstein 3D.

I really have a hard time accepting the melee TPV. If it makes for better combat experience, I'm all for it, but, like I said, it'll make casters run around with melee weapons.

I still think that if the TPV is locked on a shoulder view and it is impossible to move the camera around your character, it would play in a very similar to a FPS. You could still have the option of going into FPV with a stroke of a key, after all.

The real problem is the advantage of holding a melee weapon.

Wisperer

08-05-2006, 11:45 PM

I want to be able to toggle between FPV and TPV. when i am out in the wilds mining third person view is what i want to use and if/when attacked i want to be able to switch the first persn view.

The pictures are looking ok...alot better then the ones seen in the past but...

give a little depth to the colors. the metal armor is way to white/bright. Give them a little darker tint....IN COLOR not more black.
The guy in the lighthouse picture looks great. The guys in the left column are way to bright. I know that real life armor was shiny but this is a game. give some color to the armors.

Here is a great sight to see how the sun (well accually indoor lighting) plays on armor.
http://www.arador.com/gallery/index.html

JOeFW

08-06-2006, 12:12 AM

i just wanna test it =) i want DF !!! =)

Favonius

08-06-2006, 03:29 AM

WhatTheFawk

08-06-2006, 06:00 AM

Good luck killing anything quickly or accurately with that TPV casting/archery then.

I think you might just have a personal preference for FPV, because to me a crosshair is a crosshair. I feel no difference and I don't need luck to hit things in either TPV or FPV in the two games I mentioned (savage and mount and blade). The arrow/bullet/spell goes where you aim, not taking into account ( wind, arc, and leading your opponent, etc.) If it doesn't the controls are messed up. Plus with the camera behind you you can logicly see more of the field around you, its a small amount, but it's there.

I wish it was all TPV or all FPV, but with the switching already I think they should just make it toggleable because I really dont get it when someone says "omg youll never hit anything in TPV range it sux!" Ok then turn your screen to FPV and I'll stay in TPV and we can all kill each other in peace. Some people just prefer it over FPV.

And about the new images... NICE! So next update is individual beta sign-ups right? :D

Shadow Walker2020

08-06-2006, 08:27 AM

Do you mean you want to play TPV for spellcasting and archery also? How do you plan on killing anything or anyone with ranged attacks in TPV with manual aiming?

Well, unlike you, I can aim my spell and bow no matter what view mode im in. I still get my cross hair and I can still aim. I really dont need first person to aim my shots. I am just as capable of precision aming in third person. I've played third person shooter games (Star Wars Battle Front ring any bells?) and I have found that aiming in third person is no different than aiming in first person. Just because you believe first person to be superior for aiming doesnt make it so. Its all up to the skill of the player.

I do not believe that players should be "forced" into any view mode that they are not comfortable with. A game that can appeal to player perference is a game that is destined for success.

Shadow Walker2020

08-06-2006, 08:39 AM

TPV ranged combat is not very similiar to FPV, especially when placed at distance in the screenshots. Your crosshair operates off a hinged axis at your character's location on the screen.

It all rests on the skills of the player. You might be surprised at how many people in third person may end up being better ranged attackers than those in first person.

Have you ever played a TPV shooter? Or even a polished TPV shooter like Heretic 2? And you still feel that is similiar to Quake, Unreal, CS, Oblivion, etc FPV? Do you get the same or similiar accuracy results?

I have, Star Wars Battle Front 2. Ive played it in both thrid person and first and found both view modes to be equal in acuracy.

The Halo 1 development team even scrapped TPV combat(various ranged combat types) for FPV combat because TPV was so ineffective.

And halo also doesnt have Melee combat at the scale darkfall will. Switching between melee combat and spell casting will be a key part of combat in Darkfall. Having to constantly switch between first and third person to cast and melee will be confusing and a general headach for many players. Allowing players to remain in one view mode, if they so choose, is the best course of action as it accomodates different players perferences when it comes to how they operate during PvP.

Irodim

08-06-2006, 09:47 AM

It all rests on the skills of the player. You might be surprised at how many people in third person may end up being better ranged attackers than those in first person.

I have, Star Wars Battle Front 2. Ive played it in both thrid person and first and found both view modes to be equal in acuracy.

And halo also doesnt have Melee combat at the scale darkfall will. Switching between melee combat and spell casting will be a key part of combat in Darkfall. Having to constantly switch between first and third person to cast and melee will be confusing and a general headach for many players. Allowing players to remain in one view mode, if they so choose, is the best course of action as it accomodates different players perferences when it comes to how they operate during PvP.
Do any of your games have physics involved? Because I would find it hard to arc a bow from a TPV stand point.

RuffAgii

08-06-2006, 10:25 AM

Good luck killing anything quickly or accurately with that TPV casting/archery then.TPV and FPV same thing when it comes to aiming, same crosshair in the same position and ur bullet/arrow/spell will go to the place where u aimed ur crosshair. TPV allows many things, like check out the range between u and the target, ur surroundings, etc. I dont mind having TPV only as long as i have that crosshair.
BTW really nice screenshots, graphics looking realistic, oh and nice view of the coast there wit the lighthouse.

JimLad

08-06-2006, 12:26 PM

Personally I'd rather use FPV over TPV simply because I don't my character semi-blocking the shot. (I know they go part transparent but it's still distracting)
If anything, melee should be over-shoulder TPV, it lets you know how far your character is from contact but also keeps your viewrange close to what it would be in FPV (less is better), and it would feel less clumsy in combat.

AnoXia

08-06-2006, 03:37 PM

I'd like to know the FPS on those shots, as well as the specs for what determines "low-end".

koshi

08-06-2006, 03:37 PM

wow this actualy looks good with low video card but i want ....MORE!!

iza

08-06-2006, 09:20 PM

I hope 'low end' is nothing better than my Radeon 9800... I'll be happy with graphics like that if it's smooth.

Satan

08-06-2006, 09:45 PM

a nice update for my return from vacation

now that weve got a shitload of screenshots, i think its time to take it up a notch and start releasing videos

Wisperer

08-07-2006, 02:26 AM

I know i'll get flamed now but...WoW has a great way of switching between first and third person view. Just use the mouse wheel.

I wonder if there will be a spell like "eye of the eagle". A zoom in view for scouting and shooting/casting of spells.

Shadow Walker2020

08-07-2006, 06:16 AM

Do any of your games have physics involved? Because I would find it hard to arc a bow from a TPV stand point.

Thats right, YOU would have problem doing something like that. You can only speak for yourself and your own inability to use Third person effectively. Just because you wouldnt be able to aim in third person doesnt mean others would share the same misfortune.

However, if the view mode were toggleable, then there wouldnt be a problem. You could aim in first person and I could use third person view. A toggleable view mode appeases both sides and makes the game better.

Irodim

08-07-2006, 07:50 AM

Thats right, YOU would have problem doing something like that. You can only speak for yourself and your own inability to use Third person effectively. Just because you wouldnt be able to aim in third person doesnt mean others would share the same misfortune.

However, if the view mode were toggleable, then there wouldnt be a problem. You could aim in first person and I could use third person view. A toggleable view mode appeases both sides and makes the game better.

You didn't answer my question about physics. You just attacked my opinion. Good job?

WhatTheFawk

08-07-2006, 12:23 PM

You didn't answer my question about physics. You just attacked my opinion. Good job?

Mount & Blade has the type of controls most people are talking about when they mention TPV and physics with arrow shooting. I don't think he was 'attacking' your opinion, you gave yours and he informed you that your opinion doesn't apply to everyone. Some people find it easier to aim in third person and just because you can't, physics or not, doesn't mean that other people also have this inability.

Averardus

08-07-2006, 08:57 PM

Looks like Darkfall will not be vaporware, and Im so glad too because if you havent heard... EA owns mythic...

Darkfall may turn out to be the only PvP game worth playing.

Icix

08-08-2006, 01:12 AM

Lets hope so, but lets not hype ourselves

Shadow Walker2020

08-08-2006, 03:49 AM

You didn't answer my question about physics. You just attacked my opinion. Good job?

Physics shmisics, its all up to the player and how they prefer to operate their character.

Shadow Walker2020

08-08-2006, 04:00 AM

Mount & Blade has the type of controls most people are talking about when they mention TPV and physics with arrow shooting. I don't think he was 'attacking' your opinion, you gave yours and he informed you that your opinion doesn't apply to everyone. Some people find it easier to aim in third person and just because you can't, physics or not, doesn't mean that other people also have this inability.

Well put.