07/28/2006, WarCry Weekly Update -Ithwen and Ciel Fey

[Naithin]

07/28/2006 - WarCry Weekly Update: Ithwen and Ciel Fey (http://df.warcry.com/scripts/news/view_news.phtml?site=7&id=63566)

There you go folks. This weeks update is ready for your viewing. Next week will also be another screenshot update, but all going well, we hope to be able to bring you an informational update next week after that.

So if there are still questions floating around, feel free to begin sending them in. Most efficient way is via the feedback form (http://df.warcry.com/index.php/content/feedback.php).

[LanMandragon]

Thanks

Really a good article. Whats the debate?

Maybe the duel wielding?

Looks like its in to me.

[Osirus]

Are they? Aren't they?

I don't wish to comment too extensively on these next images, as I have no confirmation myself as yet, either way on the question posed above. There are both 'for' and 'against' aspects of the images. So without my bias colouring things, what do you all think?


are/aren't they what?

[LanMandragon]

are/aren't they what?


Duel wielding is my vote.

Thats all I could see, its like playing wheres waldo.

[Xile Firebane]

Duel wielding is my vote.

I didn't think Dual Wielding was even in question. I have no idea what they're referring to.

[Naithin]

If you want to work out what I was talkin about for yourself or from debate with other users, don't read this post yet. Same deal if you're fairly sure what I was talking about, but don't want any bias clouding your judgement just yet.


In any event, the fact it isn't more obvious as to what the debate was supposed to be strengthens my 'They're not' stance on the whole matter actually. The unspoken question in the article is are they or are they not Alfar. Their body structure, and more so on the male facial structure says 'No' to me, and the ears of the male seem more human/rounded. The Female is less clear cut, but still seems too well built to be of the frail Alfar variety. ;p


But yes, from those images we can get that Dual Wielding would appear to be in. However, as that image is taken within a bandit camp, I cannot garauntee that is a PC.

[dark-M]

the girl is pretty nice looking

good, easier for me to RP/cybor the nitwits








i keed...i keed :)

[Niccoli]

Typo/editing:
they were all but destroyed be a Celestial
The Ciel Fey are an isolationist offshoot of the Ciel Fey

Nice pics, too bad there weren't any Ciel Fey in at the table...

The hands look funny on the bandit chick, but other than that good SS.

[Mhorham]

No I dont think I saw any in there.

[SkullPizza]

I think that the updates to the faces of the character models is going well. I like the fact that they are doing a graphics overhaul. It's probably why they put off going into to beta, at least part of the reason.

[Niccoli]

They look like humans to me.

[Naithin]

Thanks for the catches Niccoli.

Will be fixed in the next couple of minutes. It is of course supposed to read as an offshoot of the Mirdain.

[Gowel]

Thanks

Really a good article. Whats the debate?

Maybe the duel wielding?

Looks like its in to me.



Shouldn't be any debate over dual wielding as it's been confirmed for years. Seems pretty obvious to me atleast, that those are both human models.

[SkullPizza]

Shouldn't be any debate over dual wielding as it's been confirmed for years. Seems pretty obvious to me atleast, that those are both human models.

Yeah me too, OO OO! She has a tattoo on her face! I can't wait to see what the options for tattoos are!

I wonder if mahirim will have something equivalent to tattoos possible? Like... color patterns and whatnot... Maybe get to dye their hair in a pattern or something.... I dunno. You could get branded as a mahirim and it would show i guess.

[Niccoli]

Shouldn't be any debate over dual wielding as it's been confirmed for years. Seems pretty obvious to me atleast, that those are both human models.

Yeah, the skin tones are a bit different, which is fine by me. The guy does have a sort of greyish tint to the skin. But definitely humans. I expect the ears for alfar to be fairly pronounced.

[Baldr]

I strongly think they are servants of Malaut. A secret faction that the human PCs can choose to play. In other words, for humans who want to be evil.

And i think there will be different factions/ organizations for each race, just like the article with the mahirim. Factions to base your guild and character lore on, or even possibly to give you nice abilities when pledging to the faction's cause.

[TreyDingo2020]

I think it is pretty obvious that they are humans, but I think the big question is whether those are average aligned human or if those are just evil looking because that is their alignment

[Osirus]

thanks for posting the info.

[Solohk]

My thought was vampires.

*shrugs*

[r4nge]

tattoo seemed to be the big deal to me. Also that grass is persistent in both the Mahirim Tribelands and the Ork lands of Morak. I like that you can see her necklace.

EDIT: I'd hit it

[ham1eT]

wtf is wrong with his eyes? o_o

But anyway, nice update.

[jww808]

Wow, everytime i see new screenshots i get more excited about this game. thanks

[Maglubiyet]

I'de have to say they are human. They dont look like an alfar should. Also if you feel like digging check out the old alfar pic, i would think they would basically keep it almost the same, tall(not tall per say normal is what i mean), lanky, and pronounced ears.

[Shadow Walker2020]

The screen shots look nice. Good update.

Will we be seeing the return of the weekly Q&A any time soon?

[ObsiDian_Osiris]

nice

[Ankh]

Nice. The second SS looks awesome.

I love the way the buildings cast shadows on everything, and the daggers on the chick look sweet.

Detail ftw.

[Killuminati]

Oh well the last updates were good :)

[doma]

Nice screens :)

[SethXen]

Shouldn't be any debate over dual wielding as it's been confirmed for years. Seems pretty obvious to me atleast, that those are both human models.


the girl is a miridin

next to that tatoo where the hair ends you can see the tip of a pointy ear.

i bet that its a miridin that is a member of that cult they where talking about in the entire update. that seems to be the most logical answer.

[Amaj]

Alot of great info in pics.

Not even remotely Alfar looking, imo. I don't think they are intended to be Alfar.

First thought on that purple sword was that it might be evil glow of an evil-weilding Lightbringer, but sword models are not the same.

I like the tatoo on female.

That temple area looks kinda like Alfar architechture. These char models look human, but could maybe be Mirdain elves. For a moment, with some of the mixed architechture, +humans, +orc armor(though it could be looted), makes me *kinda* think NPC ARAC guild.

Graphicly, I like the direction the artwork has taken(gritty, Morrowind/Quake1-ish), provided the glowy/glitzy weapons/armor are not mainstays of the battlefield.

But some aspects of the pics we have seen over past few months make me cringe. One moment we see low-res/quality pics that look like a small-team, low-funds, student-project(flat/dull water, some of the foliage implementation, ever-present purple fog in background, lay of the land mixed with scarce but evenly scattered obstacles, etc). And the next moment we see some higher res/quality pics(some scattered over past few months, but especially Dec 2004 pics), fantastic models(mounts), fantastic smooth animation(deathpig, trees swaying, clouds in videos), cloud pics, etc.

One moment it looks like a MMORPG on student-engine(ouch), next moment using the Quake 1 engine(bleh, but gameplay comes first); the next moment a MMORPG using Morrowind engine(great), and Dec 2004 pics using Battlefield 2 caliber engine(beyond expectations).

I plan on playing with lean, mean efficient graphical settings, but it pains me to see what looks like a common student-project engine sometimes peak through on these low-quality pics, when we know the engine and game are capable of so much more.

I am blunt because I want the devs to know honestly what thoughts go through my head as I look at all these updates. Constructive criticism, only because I love the game so much. :)

Many thanks for continued flow of info and screenshots.

[mlucas]

Thanks for the update . I am really looking forward to the following update covering the informational type news .Hopefully it will be nice a juicy !

[shock223]

need more info...

[Asmodeus]

Alot of great info in pics.

Not even remotely Alfar looking, imo. I don't think they are intended to be Alfar.

First thought on that purple sword was that it might be evil glow of an evil-weilding Lightbringer, but sword models are not the same.

I like the tatoo on female.

That temple area looks kinda like Alfar architechture. These char models look human, but could maybe be Mirdain elves. For a moment, with some of the mixed architechture, +humans, +orc armor(though it could be looted), makes me *kinda* think NPC ARAC guild.

Graphicly, I like the direction the artwork has taken(gritty, Morrowind/Quake1-ish), provided the glowy/glitzy weapons/armor are not mainstays of the battlefield.

But some aspects of the pics we have seen over past few months make me cringe. One moment we see low-res/quality pics that look like a small-team, low-funds, student-project(flat/dull water, some of the foliage implementation, ever-present purple fog in background, lay of the land mixed with scarce but evenly scattered obstacles, etc). And the next moment we see some higher res/quality pics(some scattered over past few months, but especially Dec 2004 pics), fantastic models(mounts), fantastic smooth animation(deathpig, trees swaying, clouds in videos), cloud pics, etc.

One moment it looks like a MMORPG on student-engine(ouch), next moment using the Quake 1 engine(bleh, but gameplay comes first); the next moment a MMORPG using Morrowind engine(great), and Dec 2004 pics using Battlefield 2 caliber engine(beyond expectations).

I plan on playing with lean, mean efficient graphical settings, but it pains me to see what looks like a common student-project engine sometimes peak through on these low-quality pics, when we know the engine and game are capable of so much more.

I am blunt because I want the devs to know honestly what thoughts go through my head as I look at all these updates. Constructive criticism, only because I love the game so much. :)

Many thanks for continued flow of info and screenshots.your not the only one, Its no Oblivion or doom3 or eq2 in way of graphics, and i like my eye candy (i didnt spend all kinds of money on a rig that runs everyhing and makes me breakfast for nothing) but if its got the gameplay then that will be its saving factor.

secondly im not sure how anyone could have guessed those to be alfar unless you have never seen a SS of one, or even read the lore on them, cause theres a few pics there too.

keep 'em coming, everything is appreciated.

[ObsiDian_Osiris]

Umm, of course thats not an alfar...are you retarded?

[Derosian]

Great screenshots, and no not Alfar. I definatly don't think they are.

[SSguy]

the girl is pretty nice looking


Yeah.....if you are attracted to Boy George, LOL. :p

[nazual]

Another nice screenshot update, loving these new desktop backgrounds :)

[kehmesis]

I like those screenshot updates very much. I can't beleive DF is alive again :) The updates just keeps on comming. *Filled with excitement, Kehm sets a couch on fire*

[Maglubiyet]

I wish i could go to that art festival there going to. I also wish i could take 2 weeks off from work...

[dark-M]

Yeah.....if you are attracted to Boy George, LOL. :p


at least we know who the homosexual is, congratulations

that chick is as hot as whale blubber, i'd hit those pixels with the force of a thouzand tsunami's

[Metal Wolf]

Humans. Thought the girl, at least I think it is, has funky hair.

The world looks really nice.

[losinglife]

eh kinda a boring look.... not really my style... however i am not raggin on it keep em coming :)

[paade]

that chick looks like that pop singer, Pink.

[paade]

+2 postcount yay

[kiegh]

I think it is pretty obvious that they are humans, but I think the big question is whether those are average aligned human or if those are just evil looking because that is their alignment

dingdingding

this is the winner folks.

[V1RUS]

Good screens, love the look of the Church of Malaut. My first thought of race when I saw the characters was "yay..more humans", Alfar didn't even cross my mind until I read the replies, however I still say humans, maybe elves...but nothing beyond that. I would hope they would make the Alfar much more distinguishable from humans and elves considering their life in the underworld and their evil ways. However it would be kinda interesting not being able to tell the 3 apart without close inspection :P

[Darkmatter]

Thanks, I'd like to visit those ruins now please. The game is shaping up it seems, I'm not sure if these are the full graphics we're witnessing, but it always looks better live as we've seen on the videos released. I love how the developers create their world, everything in it is there for a reason and has a history to it - this helps breathe some air into the world so that its not just "there" for us to watch - but that most things have/had a purpose before we, the players, arrived.

There has to be plenty of places that we can shape and mold for ourselves though, but these locations, plentiful or not, help set the perfect frame for our arrival ;)

[Suitepee]

Elf ruins look good.
Ciel Fey area looks a little weird but still cool.
Church of Malaut looks very gothic and dark,very cool.
Love the detail on the male face; very angry pose,even teeth visible! And is that sword meant to be purple,or is it the shadow of any building he might be heading towards?
Nice also to see jewellery will be visible.

Another nice update. :D

[JimLad]

New scenery! excellent. :cool:
More of this please, we know Agon is massive and we want to see it.
Snow, mountaints, deserts, seas, caves, the lot! :)

Yeah I'd say those are definately human, but what interests me about them is the facial expressions and eye movements.
I know we had them in Star Wars Galaxies, but then that had auto targeting which moved your characters eyes and head towards the target.
Maybe she's just an NPC though. :confused:

[The-Nit]

This is the first shot we see of dual wielding?
This is the first shot we see of 2-handed weapons?

Yeah they look evil, but i think the weilding is what they were trying to show us...

[Baldr]

that chick looks like that pop singer, Pink.

She does.

p.s. I still think they are evil-aligned humans.

[gold]

nice but, where are the npcs?. where are the monsters?.. if i was interested in looking at screens of the world. id go look at the 2003 archeive, becuase for 1 year we got nothing but millions of screens of around the world of darkfall.. now they are doing it again?... sorry i thought beta was just around the corner?.


showing us screens of the world is like sorta old now?... maybe vids?, monsters?. player housing crafting screens?. maybe seige screens.. maybe something other then things we have re hashed for almost 3 years now... just seems they are dragging this along and along, without giving us any real info. screens of the ruins.. do you want me to find them in 03?. so they have a few more trees, or a bit more graphics to them?.. what about these famous dragons, no actions shots of them?. or the underground caverns. anything but these plan, boring screens we have all seen the world. its time we see something a bit different.. my 2 cents.. just seems we are having a 03 year all over again.

[LanMandragon]

nice but, where are the npcs?. where are the monsters?.. if i was interested in looking at screens of the world. id go look at the 2003 archeive, becuase for 1 year we got nothing but millions of screens of around the world of darkfall.. now they are doing it again?... sorry i thought beta was just around the corner?.


showing us screens of the world is like sorta old now?... maybe vids?, monsters?. player housing crafting screens?. maybe seige screens.. maybe something other then things we have re hashed for almost 3 years now... just seems they are dragging this along and along, without giving us any real info. screens of the ruins.. do you want me to find them in 03?. so they have a few more trees, or a bit more graphics to them?.. what about these famous dragons, no actions shots of them?. or the underground caverns. anything but these plan, boring screens we have all seen the world. its time we see something a bit different.. my 2 cents.. just seems we are having a 03 year all over again.

Chill with the heat. Its either there or its not.

[-Phyre-]

Nice screens. Cant wait to see these places in game.

[Osirus]

This is the first shot we see of dual wielding?
This is the first shot we see of 2-handed weapons?

Yeah they look evil, but i think the weilding is what they were trying to show us...

it's not the first time we've seen dual wield, and I don't think it's the first shot of a 2nd weapon either.

yes, they look evil, malicious, menacing ...etc

[JimLad]

nice but, where are the npcs?. where are the monsters?.. if i was interested in looking at screens of the world. id go look at the 2003 archeive, becuase for 1 year we got nothing but millions of screens of around the world of darkfall.. now they are doing it again?... sorry i thought beta was just around the corner?.


showing us screens of the world is like sorta old now?... maybe vids?, monsters?. player housing crafting screens?. maybe seige screens.. maybe something other then things we have re hashed for almost 3 years now... just seems they are dragging this along and along, without giving us any real info. screens of the ruins.. do you want me to find them in 03?. so they have a few more trees, or a bit more graphics to them?.. what about these famous dragons, no actions shots of them?. or the underground caverns. anything but these plan, boring screens we have all seen the world. its time we see something a bit different.. my 2 cents.. just seems we are having a 03 year all over again.

Actually yeah he does raise a good point, I'd also like to see monsters in those pics. I'm still grateful to be getting more updated world shots though regardless.

[Dwemerlord]

Actually yeah he does raise a good point, I'd also like to see monsters in those pics. I'm still grateful to be getting more updated world shots though regardless.

Acually he

[Necrash]

Hmnnn Up date was alright not much info but at least we got to see an extinct race. WTF well the only pice of info in that update worth anything is that. The huge dragon lives in the island and well if you piss it off he destoryes yer cities!!! nhahaha

[Baldr]

They said somewhere that theres a whole bunch of corpses and skeletons strewn about in the ruins... if they couldve shown that in the screenies now it wouldve been much better eye candy. :P

[Wisperer]

Alot of great info in pics.

I like the tatoo on female.

Graphicly, I like the direction the artwork has taken(gritty, Morrowind/Quake1-ish), provided the glowy/glitzy weapons/armor are not mainstays of the battlefield.

But some aspects of the pics we have seen over past few months make me cringe. One moment we see low-res/quality pics that look like a small-team, low-funds, student-project(flat/dull water, some of the foliage implementation, ever-present purple fog in background, lay of the land mixed with scarce but evenly scattered obstacles, etc). And the next moment we see some higher res/quality pics(some scattered over past few months, but especially Dec 2004 pics), fantastic models(mounts), fantastic smooth animation(deathpig, trees swaying, clouds in videos), cloud pics, etc.

One moment it looks like a MMORPG on student-engine(ouch), next moment using the Quake 1 engine(bleh, but gameplay comes first); the next moment a MMORPG using Morrowind engine(great), and Dec 2004 pics using Battlefield 2 caliber engine(beyond expectations).


For the most part i agree with ya.

Doing the pictures in a top down order...the third picture shows you the flat one demention of the tree branches.

The fourth pic shows how theres no real geometry. bambo is round not a pentagon and what is with the cords that bind the posts together?

The church of Malaut looks good. reminds me of L2. its the best pic of the group.

? Lucy Lawless ? The colors in this pic are of a deeper coloration...Yes there will be some areas that are not bleached watercolor type. Again think angles here.

The last pic is just obsolete. it reminds me of pre-y2k. the tree leaves are colored nice.

In both pictures (the last two) i say they are human. they just have thier heads angled down.

All in all it is a nice update.

[Ryuji]

The scenery is still the best 'visual' yet.

[lem_muppet]

nones mentioned that the church of malut picture seems to have a hint of UI in it too..thats the first we've seen for a while if i recall correctly.

[gold]

like, i love the screens, dont get me wrong.. i just would like to see the world in action, or the world that seems alive with life... i just see a world, nothing actually "living" other then the players. in the game.... i love df want it and dont care for when the beta even starts.. i just would like to see some real shait!. ha.... something that feels alive to me. not just images of created areas... i wanna feel like DF is breathing living world. and i just dont get it from those screens yet.. i see beauty and what and how good it will be if it had the living life to the world. but ya... just so ppl dont think i was bashing hte devs, on that last post of mine in this thread. i just wanted to clarify that im in no rush, but if they are really as close, and they really do have all this finished. then just show us what the world as a "finished" with npcs, life, to it.. not just images, of what we saw so much of in 03.


thanks.:D

[Leric]

like, i love the screens, dont get me wrong.. i just would like to see the world in action, or the world that seems alive with life... i just see a world, nothing actually "living" other then the players. in the game.... i love df want it and dont care for when the beta even starts.. i just would like to see some real shait!. ha.... something that feels alive to me. not just images of created areas... i wanna feel like DF is breathing living world. and i just dont get it from those screens yet.. i see beauty and what and how good it will be if it had the living life to the world. but ya... just so ppl dont think i was bashing hte devs, on that last post of mine in this thread. i just wanted to clarify that im in no rush, but if they are really as close, and they really do have all this finished. then just show us what the world as a "finished" with npcs, life, to it.. not just images, of what we saw so much of in 03.


thanks.:D

srry didn't mean to post again i meant to edit * see below post*

[Nalira]

they show the elven landscapes and scenery, but no elves... go figure.

anyhow, yeah itd be nice to actually see the inside of a city filled with thriving life... npcs and what not.

but the screenshots are pretty nonetheless.

EDIT: and that female is not a mirdain.

[Leric]

i think they just haven't posted much about the npc's cuz they want to keep that a surprise

[Askel]

Yeah have we actually seen pics of a monster?
Otherwise very nice pics!

[Figrix Voidstar]

*sigh* I love and hate the updates. It's great to see more... but sucks to continue WAITING

:ohno:

[Sarmatian]

Yeah have we actually seen pics of a monster?
Otherwise very nice pics!

www.darkfallonline.com _----> Visuals.

[LanMandragon]

they show the elven landscapes and scenery, but no elves... go figure.

anyhow, yeah itd be nice to actually see the inside of a city filled with thriving life... npcs and what not.

but the screenshots are pretty nonetheless.

EDIT: and that female is not a mirdain.

Hopefully the "thriving" part will come from PC's and not NPC's.

[senordoom]

very nice landscapes can wait to play.:D

[Cybermoose]

The character skins are getting better and better it seems, but have there been cutbacks on the world textures and sutch?

Comparing one of these; http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/2004_12_5, with the ones we have here they seem a bit downgraded.

In other aspects the pics are great, the game seems to really be taking shape now. Especially the last human picture, the armour and the sword looks good. The faces are looking good aswell.

[Sidabras]

Screen shots are not to bad. Kinda reminds me of AC1 on a decent video card. I am not expecting to much graphics wise.

[Evack]

nice update

[SSguy]

at least we know who the homosexual is, congratulations

that chick is as hot as whale blubber, i'd hit those pixels with the force of a thouzand tsunami's

Yup...I must be the ****, obviously I am because I am ragging on you for wanting to hit a chick that looks like a guy dressed in drag.

Good Logic there, enjoy your sausage surprise.

[JimLad]

Damn, nearly lasted a whole 5 pages there without someone falling out. :rolleyes:

The trees are what still boggle me, in a lot of the shots they look like poorly christmas trees. The branches being all flat and slabby. o_0
If there have been shots with nice trees, please direct me to them. heh