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Resfelm
03-16-2010, 17:48
Today we’ll take you behind the scenes and talk about some of the things Darkfall developers are working on for the next patch.

There are some changes to the War Declaration system in the works: It won’t be free anymore to declare war and it won’t be instantaneous. If a clan declares war, there’s a fee taken out of its clan vault. After that happens the status changes to WARY and all clan members will be notified of the upcoming war. There’s a system message visible to members of both clans with the time remaining until status changes to “Enemy”. Clan members logging in after the fact will be notified as well.

Another feature the community has been asking about is Archery Specialization. Archery specialization will be split into two groups and each character can select one from each group. The first group contains Mana shield, Mage Killer and Jump Shot while the second contains Aquatic Shot, Mage Hunter and Master Scout.

These changes, along with other things, will be patched in sometime next week.

We’ll also let you know that we’re always looking for information about Darkfall 2010. At the moment however, the developers are focused on finalizing their decisions and tests of included features before they can start sharing more information.

WokBox
03-16-2010, 17:50
Thank you.

Cailian
03-16-2010, 17:50
i made an oopsie

nice stuff!

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 17:51
Should get aquatic shot no matter what and NOT have to spec for it period........

Brother Justin
03-16-2010, 17:51
looking good guys :)

KoKane
03-16-2010, 17:51
It will be interesting. Gonna be lots of Mana Loss choosing 2 specs :O

Wyverex
03-16-2010, 17:51
Awesome news for Archers and people in starter area :)

DAA KAPUTTMACHA
03-16-2010, 17:52
Should get aquatic shot no matter what and NOT have to spec for it period........

3d answer and already mimimimimi whiiiine :bang:

@topic:

sweet. thank you. much needed and long wanted changes.

Mapi
03-16-2010, 17:54
I can hardly believe it took you this amount of time (since last patch) to program two additions/changes to two in-game mechanics.

Reorganise your resources to work more efficient because if it takes you over a month to create these two things then how long are you going to take for the next expansion? another 6 months? the players want frequent patches and communication on the turn Aventurine wants to take the game, NOT the whiners.

I'm disgusted to see the whiners that's by far the biggest group voicing their opinions on the forums are winning.

DeadlyHit
03-16-2010, 17:55
Ahhh greatttt.

Keno
03-16-2010, 17:57
So your telling me you cannot get Mage Killer and Jump Shot?

Icing on the cake.....

AND AQUATIC SHOT IS STILL A SPEC!!!!!!

WOW.............

Teucrus
03-16-2010, 18:00
I can hardly believe it took you this amount of time (since last patch) to program two additions/changes to two in-game mechanics.

You shouldn't believe it.

"talk about some of the things Darkfall developers are working on for the next patch"

Aristos
03-16-2010, 18:00
Thanks for the ability to have 2 archery specs, but seriously, why still have aquashot as a spec? It should be default for everyone. It doesn't promote diversity, it just creates a safe zone for players who've chosen aquashot who are running away from players who don't have it.

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 18:00
So your telling me you cannot get Mage Killer and Jump Shot?

Icing on the cake.....

BUT you can have BOTH Aquatic and Jump shot - forget the rest of those skills :lmao::lmao::lmao:

Aristos -- spot on there I mean hell there is hardly any water in DF - /sarcasm off

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:00
the developers are focused on finalizing their decisions and tests of included features before they can start sharing more information.

How about the devs present us with their ideas and let the community decide what new features and changes go in and HOW they are implemented, instead of having them just blindly put shit in that never works correctly and is worthless.

Zaffax
03-16-2010, 18:00
Fuckin fail av. way to put jump shot and mage killer together, as well as forcing people to have to spec into aquatic shit. Epic fail.

KCC989
03-16-2010, 18:01
I wanted Mage Killer plus jump shot, but I guess that could be a little OP. Same with mage killer and mana shield. I guess we'll see how this works. When are they announcing changes to the siege mechanics?

Helcular
03-16-2010, 18:01
Mage Killer + Mage Hunter? Hmm

Madd Swagger
03-16-2010, 18:01
So your telling me you cannot get Mage Killer and Jump Shot?

Icing on the cake.....

AND AQUATIC SHOT IS STILL A SPEC!!!!!!

WOW.............

yea you can thats just apart of the first group

g0ne
03-16-2010, 18:02
Keno, it's Darkfall 2010 ... your not allowed to question it.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:02
yea you can thats just apart of the first group

I believe you can only get ONE spec from each group, no?

Stanleyxd
03-16-2010, 18:02
I wanted Mage Killer plus jump shot, but I guess that could be a little OP. Same with mage killer and mana shield. I guess we'll see how this works. When are they announcing changes to the siege mechanics?

i dont know... jump shot + mage killer seem to be fair fight 99%ARCHERY vs 100% jumpshot mage.

Endlessly0
03-16-2010, 18:03
well I'm happy, mage killer + aqua shot is all I wanted :)

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:03
Keno, it's Darkfall 2010 ... your not allowed to question it.

I WANT TO SAVE DARKFALL 2010 before they put the final dagger in.

Leg enD
03-16-2010, 18:03
bye bye double-jump


hellooooo bow jumpshot

sshhaaoo
03-16-2010, 18:04
The whole wardeck thing is just to make carebears not cry.. who cares really.

The fact that you can't get jumpshot and magekiller is just retarded.

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 18:05
the fact that you can't get jumpshot and magekiller is just retarded.

DF 2011? Or maybe www.darkfallemu.com one day???

Mad Dog
03-16-2010, 18:06
thanks

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:06
The whole wardeck thing is just to make carebears not cry.. who cares really.

The fact that you can't get jumpshot and magekiller is just retarded.

War Deck thing is actually not bad. They could have done it other ways to make it better, but, hell, at least they are changing it. Archery specs seem fail. I would still love to know who the fuck came up with Aquatic shot as a spec.

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:07
Today we’ll take you behind the scenes and talk about some of the things Darkfall developers are working on for the next patch.

There are some changes to the War Declaration system in the works: It won’t be free anymore to declare war and it won’t be instantaneous. If a clan declares war, there’s a fee taken out of its clan vault. After that happens the status changes to WARY and all clan members will be notified of the upcoming war. There’s a system message visible to members of both clans with the time remaining until status changes to “Enemy”. Clan members logging in after the fact will be notified as well.

Another feature the community has been asking about is Archery Specialization. Archery specialization will be split into two groups and each character can select one from each group. The first group contains Mana shield, Mage Killer and Jump Shot while the second contains Aquatic Shot, Mage Hunter and Master Scout.

These changes, along with other things, will be patched in sometime next week.

We’ll also let you know that we’re always looking for information about Darkfall 2010. At the moment however, the developers are focused on finalizing their decisions and tests of included features before they can start sharing more information.

well I guess mage killer + aqua or when when you your on land Mage hunter, will have to do. I wanted jump shot, mage killer, to have some chance of dodging the nuke spammers, but I guess the extra tank will help.

raffraff
03-16-2010, 18:08
This is an improvement but there needs to be an alternative ranged attack underwater to just one opt-in specialisation. Water is too common for that.

goranga
03-16-2010, 18:09
thanks

Also it's about damn time

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:09
War Deck thing is actually not bad. They could have done it other ways to make it better, but, hell, at least they are changing it. Archery specs seem fail. I would still love to know who the fuck came up with Aquatic shot as a spec.

This.

barny4
03-16-2010, 18:10
How about the devs present us with their ideas and let the community decide what new features and changes go in and HOW they are implemented, instead of having them just blindly put shit in that never works correctly and is worthless.

Because the community is full of idiots with worthless ideas, like yourself. Honestly, your community expansion was action packed with terrible ideas and I am happy that the developers payed no attention to them.

The developers actually DO listen and read the shit that gets posted, which is good. The game is going in the right direction, which is good. There are still a lot of problems, which is bad. They will be fixed, and the game will continue to improve.

This is a small step in the right direction, don't QQ here because your shit-tier ideas were ignored.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:10
This is an improvement but there needs to be an alternative ranged attack underwater to just one opt-in specialisation. Water is too common for that.

It is an improvement, I'll give them that. But at this point, can't get any worse really.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:11
Because the community is full of idiots with worthless ideas, like yourself. Honestly, your community expansion was action packed with terrible ideas and I am happy that the developers payed no attention to them.



If that expansion(maybe not everything) was implemented, Darkfall would be a fucking amazing game. Read the replies, do the math. More then 80% of the people who responded or gave me feedback agreed with most of the stuff. Almost everyone would agree that it would make the game 10000000 times better if they added it. Stop the qq.

CattBoy
03-16-2010, 18:11
Thanks for an update.

Robinvi
03-16-2010, 18:12
Tell me why is Aquatic shot still something you need to spec to get? Are you stupid?

Apart from that, looking good. But should have been fixed ages ago.

Zaffax
03-16-2010, 18:12
Because the community is full of idiots with worthless ideas.

Im sure your March 2010 status qualifies you as such.

Helcular
03-16-2010, 18:12
Maybe we will have some other goodies actually in the patch next week.

I still hate being FORCED to take aquatic shot. You can't fight in the water without it.

higach
03-16-2010, 18:12
Because the community is full of idiots with worthless ideas, like yourself. Honestly, your community expansion was action packed with terrible ideas and I am happy that the developers payed no attention to them.


Wow first time I've heard someone say that. The community expansion has like everything that everyone is asking for and more.. Sounds pretty damn good to me.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:13
Im sure your March 2010 status qualifies you as such.

:lmao::lmao: 0'10er brah

barny4
03-16-2010, 18:13
If that expansion(maybe not everything) was implemented, Darkfall would be a fucking amazing game.

I disagree completely. Like I said in an 8 page response in the original thread for it, some ideas you had were pretty damn good. A lot of ideas you had changed the game so greatly that I felt they actually ruined the game.

Your vision of what would make Darkfall an amazing game, is to change Darkfall into a different game.

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:13
BUT you can have BOTH Aquatic and Jump shot - forget the rest of those skills :lmao::lmao::lmao:

Aristos -- spot on there I mean hell there is hardly any water in DF - /sarcasm off

Grats they buffed mages again, think of the situation, you go in with mage hunter and mage killer, you see a mage, 1vs1 you attack him, he switches to bow with aqua and jump shot, can go in water, or kite/dodge u.

LOL great Nerf to archery AV. Let me know when I dont need offensive magic to compete anymore AV, thanks.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:13
Wow first time I've heard someone say that. The community expansion has like everything that everyone is asking for and more.. Sounds pretty damn good to me.

He's an 0'10er bro, don't worry.

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 18:13
Because the community is full of idiots with worthless ideas, like yourself. Honestly, your community expansion was action packed with terrible ideas and I am happy that the developers payed no attention to them.

The developers actually DO listen and read the shit that gets posted, which is good. The game is going in the right direction, which is good. There are still a lot of problems, which is bad. They will be fixed, and the game will continue to improve.

This is a small step in the right direction, don't QQ here because your shit-tier ideas were ignored.

Yeah the game is headed in the right direction all right:

1) Trade routes --> supposed to bring great PvP and caravans

2) Villages --> supposed to promote kick-ass PvP

3) Sea Towers --> dumbest fucking idea to put cannons on them

4) Sea Villages --> put in more worthless villages that nobody cares about

5) Created these half-assed thought out specs to begin with that they are trying to fix with this patch which STILLLLL does not deliver

All of this in the most recent expansions,etc... Sounds like it is heading in the right direction to me :lmao:

empa
03-16-2010, 18:14
Terrible spotlight. not living up to any expectation.

barny4
03-16-2010, 18:14
Im sure your March 2010 status qualifies you as such.

Remember when you made yourself look like a child in the original thread?

Also, March 2010. Barny4. Notice a patern? This is not my first forum account, and I have played Darkfall since beta and followed it for years prior to the release. I am just as qualified as you are to state my opinion on a game that I have played since it first came out.

ZtyX
03-16-2010, 18:15
This is pathetic... Those archery specializations are ALREADY in the game. Am I misunderstanding something? How is this supposed to be a new thing?...

Does the community staff play the game??

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:16
This is pathetic... Those archery specializations are ALREADY in the game. Am I misunderstanding something? How is this supposed to be a new thing?...

Does the community staff play the game??

Unreal bro, unreal.

Stanleyxd
03-16-2010, 18:16
Remember when you made yourself look like a child in the original thread?

Also, March 2010. Barny4. Notice a patern? This is not my first forum account, and I have played Darkfall since beta and followed it for years prior to the release. I am just as qualified as you are to state my opinion on a game that I have played since it first came out.

then you should know better.

Darkfall Community Expansion Wishlist is a work of everyone who post on the suggestion thread. Not only keno or nemesis.

nizzie
03-16-2010, 18:17
The first group contains Mana shield, Mage Killer and Jump Shot while the second contains Aquatic Shot, Mage Hunter and Master Scout.

Congratulations AV. It takes you MONTHS to finally address the archery specialisation problem, and then you once again fuck up like that. Jump shot is what every archer needs and you're not allowing mage killer + jump shot? Aquatic shot still a spec? Remove it for fucks sake like the whole community asked you to. Are you even playing this game? I think not.

Rhasta
03-16-2010, 18:17
I dont understand why you need to spec to shoot with bow in water, every mage can run in the water and i can wave him from shore.

Second thing is mage killer + jump shoot, i got a feeling AV think that would be too strong combo but i think mages are powerfull enough to handle that.

All in all i want to be archer in this game and i realy dont want to use magic apart from heals and transfer spells, and i always feel like im behind mages.

Thats the main reason why my interest for game is fading.

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 18:17
think of the situation, you go in with mage hunter and mage killer, you see a mage, 1vs1 you attack him, he switches to bow with aqua and jump shot, can go in water, or kite/dodge u.

LOL great Nerf to archery AV. Let me know when I dont need offensive magic to compete anymore AV, thanks.

I am telling you man darkfallemu:lmao::lmao::lmao: Take the community expansion ideas and I GUARANTEE you have a populated server.....

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:19
AV please do the following.

REMOVE AQUATIC SHOT AS A SPEC. I don't know what dev came up with that brilliant idea, but, its dumb. Period. It's dumb.

Fuck the groups AV. Just allow people to pick 2.

Mage Killer
Mage Hunter
Mana Shield
Jump Shot
(Replace Aquatic shot with one of the million other types of shots that people have suggested)

Also, hire me. I'll finish my last year in college later, lets just save this game.

Spades911
03-16-2010, 18:19
So your telling me you cannot get Mage Killer and Jump Shot?

Icing on the cake.....

AND AQUATIC SHOT IS STILL A SPEC!!!!!!

WOW.............

What he said.. Wow..... ridiculous....

Zaffax
03-16-2010, 18:20
AV please do the following.

REMOVE AQUATIC SHOT AS A SPEC. I don't know what dev came up with that brilliant idea, but, its dumb. Period. It's dumb.

Fuck the groups AV. Just allow people to pick 2.

Mage Killer
Mage Hunter
Mana Shield
Jump Shot
(Replace Aquatic shot with one of the million other types of shots that people have suggested)

Also, hire me. I'll finish my last year in college later, lets just save this game.

This

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 18:21
AV please do the following.

REMOVE AQUATIC SHOT AS A SPEC. I don't know what dev came up with that brilliant idea, but, its dumb. Period. It's dumb.

Fuck the groups AV. Just allow people to pick 2.

Mage Killer
Mage Hunter
Mana Shield
Jump Shot
(Replace Aquatic shot with one of the million other types of shots that people have suggested)

Also, hire me. I'll finish my last year in college later, lets just save this game.

That just makes WAY TOO much fucking sense and yet so simple......

higach
03-16-2010, 18:22
AV please do the following.

REMOVE AQUATIC SHOT AS A SPEC. I don't know what dev came up with that brilliant idea, but, its dumb. Period. It's dumb.

Fuck the groups AV. Just allow people to pick 2.

Mage Killer
Mage Hunter
Mana Shield
Jump Shot
(Replace Aquatic shot with one of the million other types of shots that people have suggested)

Also, hire me. I'll finish my last year in college later, lets just save this game.

Preferably: Heat-seeking missile shot.

Banok
03-16-2010, 18:22
Should get aquatic shot no matter what and NOT have to spec for it period........

this.

well any this is good enough and its about friggin time! should patched that in months ago.

barny4
03-16-2010, 18:22
then you should know better.

Darkfall Community Expansion Wishlist is a work of everyone who post on the suggestion thread. Not only keno or nemesis.

Then Keno should update the original post to include any changes to his suggestion, which I ALSO stated in my response to his suggestion where I outlined all of the problems with his suggestion. AV wont surf through 1000+ posts to see what "changes" are generally agreed upon to be good by the community, they will look at the original suggestion.

In the thread, Keno said something like"Don't just say you don't like it, elaborate". So, I posted an 8 page response that dealt with every single aspect of the original suggestion. I am fairly certain that he, nor did any other people; read my response. People were just saying things like "OMG HE DOESN'T LIKE THE SUGGESTION WHAT A RETARD, 2010'er ECT", sort of like what they are doing here. Once again, Keno can't respond with anything beyond "LOL 2010'er"; when I have played since beta. Fuck, I have probably logged 3x as much time in Darkfall as Keno has since beta.

AFTER ALL, KENO IS JUST A 2008'er RIGHT!?

It was a fucking terrible suggestion, and I hope it gets ignored; and it probably will. If you want to know why it was so terrible, then read my response in the thread itself.

GluttonySDS
03-16-2010, 18:22
Fuckin fail av. way to put jump shot and mage killer together, as well as forcing people to have to spec into aquatic shit. Epic fail.

Agreed on this being a failure...

barny4
03-16-2010, 18:23
Allow people to pick 2.

Mage Killer
Mage Hunter
Mana Shield
Jump Shot


I agree with this.

Scrappy_Doo
03-16-2010, 18:24
So mage hunter and mage killer goes together and aquatic and jump shot.



NICE

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:25
AV please do the following.

REMOVE AQUATIC SHOT AS A SPEC. I don't know what dev came up with that brilliant idea, but, its dumb. Period. It's dumb.

Fuck the groups AV. Just allow people to pick 2.

Mage Killer
Mage Hunter
Mana Shield
Jump Shot
(Replace Aquatic shot with one of the million other types of shots that people have suggested)

Also, hire me. I'll finish my last year in college later, lets just save this game.

Let Keno dev the game imo.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:25
Then Keno should update the original post to include any changes to his suggestion, which I ALSO stated in my response to his suggestion where I outlined all of the problems with his suggestion. AV wont surf through 1000+ posts to see what "changes" are generally agreed upon to be good by the community, they will look at the original suggestion.

In the thread, Keno said something like"Don't just say you don't like it, elaborate". So, I posted an 8 page response that dealt with every single aspect of the original suggestion. I am fairly certain that he, nor did any other people; read my response. People were just saying things like "OMG HE DOESN'T LIKE THE SUGGESTION WHAT A RETARD, 2010'er ECT", sort of like what they are doing here. Once again, Keno can't respond with anything beyond "LOL 2010'er"; when I have played since beta. Fuck, I have probably logged 3x as much time in Darkfall as Keno has since beta.

AFTER ALL, KENO IS JUST A 2008'er RIGHT!?

It was a fucking terrible suggestion, and I hope it gets ignored; and it probably will. If you want to know why it was so terrible, then read my response in the thread itself.

Grats bro, your like one of the 10 people who hate the expansion. I did read your responses, and everything you said went against the system and other changes that people have suggested. If you don't want DF to change for the better, that's fine. Keep playing, it prob won't change for a long time anyway.

Rhasta
03-16-2010, 18:25
I dont know how community feels, but i think that if you play without jumpshoot, you dont stand a chance against any decent mage. For me any archery specialisation is jump shoot + something (aquatic shoot:()

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 18:26
Fuck, I have probably logged 3x as much time in Darkfall as Keno has since beta.


Says the guy who was epic qq'ing about stats grind.....

CattBoy
03-16-2010, 18:26
Just allow people to pick 2.

Mage Killer
Mage Hunter
Mana Shield
Jump Shot


You forgot the awesome Scout skill.

Everyone must have this great skill when you cannot even see over your own Mounts' head

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:27
So mage hunter and mage killer goes together and aquatic and jump shot.



NICE

Funny how every mage will have aqua and jump, so the archer who choose mage hunter or mage killer or both, will be fcked in a archery fight and if he switches to melee jump kited.

This is the most epic fail by AV since they made magic so easy and so powerful to get.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:27
You forgot the awesome Scout skill.

Everyone must have this great skill when you cannot even see over your own Mounts' head

I knew I was forgetting 1, thanks! :lmao:

Lint938
03-16-2010, 18:28
If that expansion(maybe not everything) was implemented, Darkfall would be a fucking amazing game. Read the replies, do the math. More then 80% of the people who responded or gave me feedback agreed with most of the stuff. Almost everyone would agree that it would make the game 10000000 times better if they added it. Stop the qq.

Truth Devs plz look at the list most of it is good just skip past the section about pulling the nets up on ships and its good to go!

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:30
and it won’t be instantaneous.



This is also going to be key. If the timer is insanely long, clans will obviously know they are going to get sieged if they get war decked by an alt clan. More time to prep for instant allies to bind at the defenders cities to fill it up etc.... This could be another huge issue in regards to sieges if you botch this timer up.

GluttonySDS
03-16-2010, 18:30
This is so frustrating... how can they be so ignorant about the state of their game?

chokke
03-16-2010, 18:30
So your telling me you cannot get Mage Killer and Jump Shot?

Icing on the cake.....

AND AQUATIC SHOT IS STILL A SPEC!!!!!!

WOW.............

By choosing mage killer, one should automaticly get both aquatic and jump shot-
By taking the paralell (mages), they can choose best of two worlds, by not specializing.

barny4
03-16-2010, 18:31
Says the guy who was epic qq'ing about stats grind.....

You signature itself is QQ.

All I said was that stats make a significant difference in pvp and take a long time to raise, idiot.

CattBoy
03-16-2010, 18:31
This is the most epic fail by AV since they made magic so easy and so powerful to get.

Untrue.

The number of hours it takes to max and become a 1 school mage far exceeds the time it takes to max out archery and sub-skills.

Let alone the time it takes a multiple school mage to be 'effective' is astronomical compared to leveling an archer.


No izure, no.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:33
Untrue.

The number of hours it takes to max and become a 1 school mage far exceeds the time it takes to max out archery and sub-skills.

Let alone the time it takes a multiple school mage to be 'effective' is astronomical compared to leveling an archer.


No izure, no.

As far as that goes..

Archery and Bolt spells should be doing the MOST DPS in the game. AOE and splash damage should not be doing shit, but still should be somewhat effective while focusing multiple AOE's at once on a target.

Zaffax
03-16-2010, 18:34
Untrue.

The number of hours it takes to max and become a 1 school mage far exceeds the time it takes to max out archery and sub-skills.

Let alone the time it takes a multiple school mage to be 'effective' is astronomical compared to leveling an archer.


No izure, no.

He may be referring to the fact that AV failed hard with making magic easy but not attempting to balance it in the least for months.

eMpty900
03-16-2010, 18:35
Today we’ll take you behind the scenes and talk about some of the things Darkfall developers are working on for the next patch.

There are some changes to the War Declaration system in the works: It won’t be free anymore to declare war and it won’t be instantaneous. If a clan declares war, there’s a fee taken out of its clan vault. After that happens the status changes to WARY and all clan members will be notified of the upcoming war. There’s a system message visible to members of both clans with the time remaining until status changes to “Enemy”. Clan members logging in after the fact will be notified as well.

Another feature the community has been asking about is Archery Specialization. Archery specialization will be split into two groups and each character can select one from each group. The first group contains Mana shield, Mage Killer and Jump Shot while the second contains Aquatic Shot, Mage Hunter and Master Scout.

These changes, along with other things, will be patched in sometime next week.

We’ll also let you know that we’re always looking for information about Darkfall 2010. At the moment however, the developers are focused on finalizing their decisions and tests of included features before they can start sharing more information.

Mage killer + Mage hunter = DPS tank yooooohooooo

Zlasher.swe
03-16-2010, 18:35
Today we’ll take you behind the scenes and talk about some of the things Darkfall developers are working on for the next patch.

There are some changes to the War Declaration system in the works: It won’t be free anymore to declare war and it won’t be instantaneous. If a clan declares war, there’s a fee taken out of its clan vault. After that happens the status changes to WARY and all clan members will be notified of the upcoming war. There’s a system message visible to members of both clans with the time remaining until status changes to “Enemy”. Clan members logging in after the fact will be notified as well.

Another feature the community has been asking about is Archery Specialization. Archery specialization will be split into two groups and each character can select one from each group. The first group contains Mana shield, Mage Killer and Jump Shot while the second contains Aquatic Shot, Mage Hunter and Master Scout.

These changes, along with other things, will be patched in sometime next week.

We’ll also let you know that we’re always looking for information about Darkfall 2010. At the moment however, the developers are focused on finalizing their decisions and tests of included features before they can start sharing more information.
What are you doing? What's up with all carebear stuff? Why should there be a fee on declaring war? We want more sieges and wars? Not less? Darkfall is NOT walking down the road they promised! What happened to the hardcore pvp game?

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:36
He may be referring to the fact that AV failed hard with making magic easy but not attempting to balance it in the least for months.

Yes

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:37
What happened to the hardcore pvp game?

You mean when they added in Wilderness Towers in beta and 99% of the community told them to REMOVE IT, so they added more?

That system went out the window a long time ago bro. Adding cost to war I think is actually a very good thing. The way they are doing it though is very scary, because it can be another HUGE negative impact towards the current siege system.(in regards to the timer)

Rekshop
03-16-2010, 18:37
You signature itself is QQ.

All I said was that stats make a significant difference in pvp and take a long time to raise, idiot.

GTFO with your troll account. We are trying to help save the game and all you want to do is troll the forums.

Badru
03-16-2010, 18:37
I cant believe after so many suggestions about archery specializations from all of us, they keeping aquatic and super scout as one of them... fustrating as hell they dont understand what their game need..

GluttonySDS
03-16-2010, 18:38
What are you doing? What's up with all carebear stuff? Why should there be a fee on declaring war? We want more sieges and wars? Not less? Darkfall is NOT walking down the road they promised! What happened to the hardcore pvp game?

I think everyone can agree that the fee for wars/timer for wars is fine -- insta war deccing newbs in NPC cities is retarded.

CattBoy
03-16-2010, 18:38
..Your vision of what would make Darkfall an amazing game, is to change Darkfall into a different game.

Going to agree with Barny.

Even with the most amazing suggestion post in DF history, barny hit it right on the head with that comment.

The suggestions forum is for suggestions to the devs, so they might pick apart the best'est and most e-leet'est list ever, but when it boils down to it this is they're game (AV) and a lot of those changes in the list are game breaking/changing.

I do not expect half of those suggestions to ever make it 'live' but more as a guidelines and what they should keep in mind when developing new ideas.

Back to work now ya'll

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:38
I think everyone can agree that the fee for wars/timer for wars is fine -- insta war deccing newbs in NPC cities is retarded.

Yupp

Ausei
03-16-2010, 18:39
Archers please stop acting like archery is unplayable. This is a step in the good direction so stop whining......

eMpty900
03-16-2010, 18:39
What are you doing? What's up with all carebear stuff? Why should there be a fee on declaring war? We want more sieges and wars? Not less? Darkfall is NOT walking down the road they promised! What happened to the hardcore pvp game?

Who cares about the war declarations, i think is the minor of DF problems.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:39
but when it boils down to it this is they're game (AV)
l

True, let them kill their own creation then.

evoke
03-16-2010, 18:40
So slow

Askeladden
03-16-2010, 18:40
Inane drivel

Why don't you stfu now? Half this fucking thread is you poissing and moaning.

CattBoy
03-16-2010, 18:40
As far as that goes..

Archery and Bolt spells should be doing the MOST DPS in the game. AOE and splash damage should not be doing shit, but still should be somewhat effective while focusing multiple AOE's at once on a target.

Ya, you and everyone else agrees with that, but now the ball is in the Devs court and we are back to musical chairs while we wait.

Still doesn't deny the fact the magic is a LARGER time sink then archery.

Adûn_East
03-16-2010, 18:40
Jump Shot and Aquatic shot should be defaulted to archers. All "specs" should be in addition to these staples.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:42
Archers please stop acting like archery is unplayable. This is a step in the good direction so stop whining......

Is it a step in the right direction? Absolutely. Once again though, the way they are implementing it is dumb.

Remove Aquatic shot. Just remove it ffs, its dumb.

Pick ANY 2 you want.

Mage Killer
Mage Hunter
Jump Shot
(Replace Aquatic shot with something else, tons of other good ideas in the forums)
Scout(lol)
Mana Shield

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 18:43
Jump Shot and Aquatic shot should be defaulted to archers. All "specs" should be in addition to these staples.

100% spot on!!

CattBoy
03-16-2010, 18:43
GTFO with your troll account. We are trying to help save the game and all you want to do is troll the forums.

Barny is actually a VERY skilled player since beta (Archery only, no lie, not even melee). So if his vote does not count then Keno/Mine/Yours doesn't either.


I barely know the guy, but we have crossed paths a few times.

Rekshop
03-16-2010, 18:43
Jump Shot and Aquatic shot should be defaulted to archers. All "specs" should be in addition to these staples.

/QFT

Jump Shot and Aquatic Shot are not specializations. They are basic game mechanics...

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:43
Rage Rising

thuggery
03-16-2010, 18:44
Who cares about the war declarations, i think is the minor of DF problems.

Go to the starter towns and watch the same 3 or 4 clans abusing it everyday and ruining the new game experience. There are no, if, buts or maybe's the scrubs war deccing in starter towns are wrecking a part of the game that, in the end, effects everyone.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:44
/QFT

Jump Shot and Aquatic Shot are not specializations. They are basic game mechanics...

True, but what you have to realize is they are to stubborn to remove that.

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:45
Why don't you stfu now? Half this fucking thread is you poissing and moaning.

Your right bro, I am sorry.

GG AV keep up the good work.

Luuranko
03-16-2010, 18:48
LOL Mage KILLER + Mage Hunter ther wont be any Mage in Agon who can take me down with magic now

Kiad
03-16-2010, 18:48
How about the devs present us with their ideas and let the community decide what new features and changes go in and HOW they are implemented, instead of having them just blindly put shit in that never works correctly and is worthless.

Because 80% of the community is newbies who wouldn't be able to balance the game at its highest level. Not saying the developers necessarily can either, but I trust them more than leaving it up to the community lol.

vanyok
03-16-2010, 18:49
War Deck thing is actually not bad. They could have done it other ways to make it better, but, hell, at least they are changing it. Archery specs seem fail. I would still love to know who the fuck came up with Aquatic shot as a spec.

Why are you so against it ?

I think having it as a spec is a great idea.Otherwise we're just going to end up with what we had at DF launch... just a bunch of bunny hopping archers.

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:50
LOL Mage KILLER + Mage Hunter ther wont be any Mage in Agon who can take me down with magic now

True but he can get aqua and jump shot, to kite your melee, and then go to water and fart and kill u or flee.

Ya great addition, some people dont think about the bigger picture, AV especially.

natris
03-16-2010, 18:50
I think this was a step in right direction. I do not like the "water shot" specialization much though, should have been removed IMO.

Other than that I like the "two groups" thingy in general as everyone would go mage killer/Jumpshot otherwise. Not saying it is balanced as it is but it certainly opens way for diversity in builds with further possibility for balancing.

To wardecs i say great, I do not understand why they did not do it in beta tbh. Good that they have inspired themself in system in EvE.

All in all I once again must applaud devs - yet another step in correct direction.

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 18:50
You signature itself is QQ.

All I said was that stats make a significant difference in pvp and take a long time to raise, idiot.

Take a poll of archers and I bet money a HUGE majority of them think these are dumb changes. Go back to talking stat gains.....

Keno
03-16-2010, 18:51
Why are you so against it ?

I think having it as a spec is a great idea.Otherwise we're just going to end up with what we had at DF launch... just a bunch of bunny hopping archers.

Aquatic shot is NOT a spec, its a necessity. Funny how you talk about the DF launch, when the game was in its GLORY. When fighting took skill, Archery and Melee.

Ausei
03-16-2010, 18:51
Your right bro, I am sorry.

GG AV keep up the good work.

Calm down man. AV never jumps to conclusions which is a good thing.

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:51
Why are you so against it ?

I think having it as a spec is a great idea.Otherwise we're just going to end up with what we had at DF launch... just a bunch of bunny hopping archers.

great so we have mages who can bunny hop archer better then mage killer/hunters or go to the water, and then mages can bunny hope with r50's all day.

ya great addition.

SEOINAGE
03-16-2010, 18:53
Jump Shot and Aquatic shot should be defaulted to archers. All "specs" should be in addition to these staples.

K then give us jump cast back on mana missle, and all spells as a staple.

Changes make sense, the more powerful ones are grouped together while the lesser ones are also put together. Now mage killers can't cry about not being able to shoot arrows in water like mages can. I like what is presented for how I want to play, adding jump shot to my archery to go along with my aquatic, the mana hit will hurt but it will be more fun to use a bow now.

Rekshop
03-16-2010, 18:53
Barny is actually a VERY skilled player since beta (Archery only, no lie, not even melee). So if his vote does not count then Keno/Mine/Yours doesn't either.

I barely know the guy, but we have crossed paths a few times.

Being very skilled at archery doesn't discount him being a troll. I base my comment off this statement:


Because the community is full of idiots with worthless ideas, like yourself.

Anyways, I don't want to derail the thread. It just feels like the Developers' egos are too big to admit the community came up with some pretty solid ideas, and therefore they would have to revert some of the changes they have already made.

Yes, it is their game and they can do whatever they want with it. But, isn't it somewhat our game too? AV can keep believing its only their game. Yes, they can change it only how they want to change it because they know best. If they do this, as history shows, it will be a dieing game.

Game developers are very intelligent people. But, even intelligent people need to take constructive criticism and act on it.

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 18:54
True but he can get aqua and jump shot, to kite your melee, and then go to water and fart and kill u or flee.



Yup - :lmao::lmao:

DAA KAPUTTMACHA
03-16-2010, 18:54
There are some changes to the War Declaration system in the works: It won’t be free anymore to declare war and it won’t be instantaneous. If a clan declares war, there’s a fee taken out of its clan vault. After that happens the status changes to WARY and all clan members will be notified of the upcoming war. There’s a system message visible to members of both clans with the time remaining until status changes to “Enemy”. Clan members logging in after the fact will be notified as well.


I just recognized that this will finally free us from Ginger Magician. No more "Octobersnow declared war on noob/crafter" all day long. :(

PS: *waits impatiently for gingers thread how this is totally gamebreaking for the best dorf pvper*

SEOINAGE
03-16-2010, 18:54
great so we have mages who can bunny hop archer better then mage killer/hunters or go to the water, and then mages can bunny hope with r50's all day.

ya great addition.

If you didn't know this, its easier to hit someone with arrows if the person is jumping around.

Rekshop
03-16-2010, 18:54
K then give us jump cast back on mana missle, and all spells as a staple.


Agreed, with that part of your post.

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:56
K then give us jump cast back on mana missle, and all spells as a staple.

Changes make sense, the more powerful ones are grouped together while the lesser ones are also put together. Now mage killers can't cry about not being able to shoot arrows in water like mages can. I like what is presented for how I want to play, adding jump shot to my archery to go along with my aquatic, the mana hit will hurt but it will be more fun to use a bow now.

U dont get it tho, mages can pull out a bow, because of the retarded hybrid class. And the mages can use jumpshot, and mage killer wont matter.

Izure
03-16-2010, 18:56
If you didn't know this, its easier to hit someone with arrows if the person is jumping around.

either way it is a nerf for archers vs mages, not a buff. to see it as one means you are blinded.

Rekshop
03-16-2010, 18:57
Truth be told, jump shot and jump casting was first removed because melee users were QQing about not having an answer to it while only using melee weapons.

AV took it out by mistake during one of the patches and then left it out and put it back in as a spec. Very lame IMO. They really just needed to buff melee spec which goes with their principal of adding options instead of taking them away.

enders_
03-16-2010, 18:57
This is truly sad. How long has it taken for this to be implemented? And now that it is finally being implemented it's still broken.

Someone who chooses archery over magic is still going to get destroyed by any decent mage. You are still FORCED to take aquatic shot unless a) You don't mind being completely useless during 50% of the fights you will be a part of or b) You have the gold and proximity to a city that will allow you to switch specs to accommodate the given area you are choosing to PvP in.

It's great news that archers will be able to take jump shot in addition to aquatic but it still does not provide balance! Allow jump shot + mage killer and maybe we will see more people who can successfully play archer, until then there's no real point if you want to be as effective as you can be.

Simply allow us to choose any 2 of the upgrades we want and make aquatic shot default!

No player in their right mind will choose anything but that for the second category, why would you nullify the other specializations over something that everyone should already have?

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I keep holding out hope that the game will be improved at some point and that is the only reason I continue to play. Seeing how long it takes things like this to be implemented and how poorly they are implemented that hope is quickly dwindling.

THE GAME IS EMPTY AND IF YOU KEEP THINGS UP IT WILL JUST GET WORSE. COMMUNICATE WITH US MORE OFTEN THAN ONCE A MONTH REGARDING ISSUES THAT ACTUALLY EFFECT THE GAME AND IT'S FUTURE. WE ARE YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS AND WE WILL NOT STICK AROUND FOREVER IF YOU DON'T MAKE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO SHOW US THAT YOU INTEND TO MAKE THIS GAME THE BEST IT CAN BE.

I LOVE what darkfall could be, I DO NOT love what it is now - or from the looks of it, what it will become.

Lumanil
03-16-2010, 19:00
How about the devs present us with their ideas and let the community decide what new features and changes go in and HOW they are implemented, instead of having them just blindly put shit in that never works correctly and is worthless.

This would be the worst thing ever.
If they would let the community decide, we would all be able to max skills/stats in 2 days; magic would be completly gone because it's OP; Anyone would be able a red dragon on its own.

Do you get, what i mean ? The whiners are always the loudest of the community, but they don't represent the community.

vanyok
03-16-2010, 19:00
Aquatic shot is NOT a spec, its a necessity. Funny how you talk about the DF launch, when the game was in its GLORY. When fighting took skill, Archery and Melee.

You're missing my point. I'm talking about having multiple player roles, not just the "flavor of the patch" where everyone finds the most OP way to play and starts doing it.
I want to hear raid leaders say "Aqua shots jump off the boat to defend water" while those without Aqua have to stay and protect the boat...etc...

Fall
03-16-2010, 19:00
Grats they buffed mages again, think of the situation, you go in with mage hunter and mage killer, you see a mage, 1vs1 you attack him, he switches to bow with aqua and jump shot, can go in water, or kite/dodge u.

LOL great Nerf to archery AV. Let me know when I dont need offensive magic to compete anymore AV, thanks.

this if the spec requirements are still the same.

Huora
03-16-2010, 19:02
All I can say is FAIL MORE AV.

Jumpshot and magekiller in the same spec group? A hybrid will choose jumpshot and if he meets a magekiller or destroyer instead of kiting with spells he will just kite with a bow and take zero extra damage.

Why can't you just listen to the player because you obviously don't play your own game enough? Why make these fail patches all the time when you could just do what 99% of the community wants?

Izure
03-16-2010, 19:02
This is truly sad. How long has it taken for this to be implemented? And now that it is finally being implemented it's still broken.

Someone who chooses archery over magic is still going to get destroyed by any decent mage. You are still FORCED to take aquatic shot unless a) You don't mind being completely useless during 50% of the fights you will be a part of or b) You have the gold and proximity to a city that will allow you to switch specs to accommodate the given area you are choosing to PvP in.

It's great news that archers will be able to take jump shot in addition to aquatic but it still does not provide balance! Allow jump shot + mage killer and maybe we will see more people who can successfully play archer, until then there's no real point if you want to be as effective as you can be.

Simply allow us to choose any 2 of the upgrades we want and make aquatic shot default!

No player in their right mind will choose anything but that for the second category, why would you nullify the other specializations over something that everyone should already have?

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I keep holding out hope that the game will be improved at some point and that is the only reason I continue to play. Seeing how long it takes things like this to be implemented and how poorly they are implemented that hope is quickly dwindling.

THE GAME IS EMPTY AND IF YOU KEEP THINGS UP IT WILL JUST GET WORSE. COMMUNICATE WITH US MORE OFTEN THAN ONCE A MONTH REGARDING ISSUES THAT ACTUALLY EFFECT THE GAME AND IT'S FUTURE. WE ARE YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS AND WE WILL NOT STICK AROUND FOREVER IF YOU DON'T MAKE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO SHOW US THAT YOU INTEND TO MAKE THIS GAME THE BEST IT CAN BE.

I LOVE what darkfall could be, I DO NOT love what it is now - or from the looks of it, what it will become.

hes smart.

Ork King
03-16-2010, 19:03
Are you kidding me this should of been hotfixed after the expansion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vanyok
03-16-2010, 19:07
This would be the worst thing ever.
If they would let the community decide, we would all be able to max skills/stats in 2 days; magic would be completly gone because it's OP; Anyone would be able a red dragon on its own.

Do you get, what i mean ? The whiners are always the loudest of the community, but they don't represent the community.

I agree.
People always tend to want an "easy way" to play instead of making the game more interesting: More drops, easier ways to kill, better drops... etc.

I think suggestions should definately be comming from the player comminty , however final decisions what to implement should come from AV because quite honestly we don't fully know what their final game plan is.

Malkahv
03-16-2010, 19:09
this is like getting kicked in the nuts by 12 year old.

MortalZero
03-16-2010, 19:12
Well done AV, thanks for the info and don't listen to whiners who want to ruin the game.

Fall
03-16-2010, 19:13
I don't understand why I can't take all archer specs and gimp my magic/mana (maybe even melee)to the fullest, instead of choosing one spec out of two groups...

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 19:15
I don't understand why I can't take all archer specs and gimp my magic/mana (maybe even melee)to the fullest, instead of choosing one spec out of two groups...

Yup - makes way too much sense again.....

McDoogs
03-16-2010, 19:17
Your vision of what would make Darkfall an amazing game, is to change Darkfall into a different game.

And that's a bad thing? Darkfall the way it is has proven itself incapable of retaining a healthy number of players.

Huora
03-16-2010, 19:18
AV please do the following.

REMOVE AQUATIC SHOT AS A SPEC. I don't know what dev came up with that brilliant idea, but, its dumb. Period. It's dumb.

Fuck the groups AV. Just allow people to pick 2.

Mage Killer
Mage Hunter
Mana Shield
Jump Shot
(Replace Aquatic shot with one of the million other types of shots that people have suggested)

Can't you just do this seriously, AV? Make a poll about this and I promise you over 90% of the community will support it. Such a simple way to be basically DONE with the pvp balance issues and start concentrating on other things already.

SynCaine
03-16-2010, 19:18
All I can say is FAIL MORE AV.

Jumpshot and magekiller in the same spec group? A hybrid will choose jumpshot and if he meets a magekiller or destroyer instead of kiting with spells he will just kite with a bow and take zero extra damage.

Why can't you just listen to the player because you obviously don't play your own game enough? Why make these fail patches all the time when you could just do what 99% of the community wants?

You are going to kite someone shooting arrows in heavier armor at you by jump-shooting arrows back at them? That sounds like a great plan, good luck with that. Taking back hits and making yourself an easy target by jumping is definitely going to win you a fight.

As for the rest of the crying in this threat, I think I'd rather have a professional dev team making and testing changes than allow a collection of HS/Collage kids operating under group-think to start writing the code.

Keno
03-16-2010, 19:18
This would be the worst thing ever.
If they would let the community decide, we would all be able to max skills/stats in 2 days;

OMG you mean, people could just pick up the game play a few days and be ready for pvp? You mean, there would be no huuuuuuuuge grind to turn players away from the game? You mean...

No grind= more players=more population= a better game for all?

People would be on a more level ground and PVP would be more about skill as opposed to having 400+ health?? I see your point.

Keno
03-16-2010, 19:19
This is truly sad. How long has it taken for this to be implemented? And now that it is finally being implemented it's still broken.

Someone who chooses archery over magic is still going to get destroyed by any decent mage. You are still FORCED to take aquatic shot unless a) You don't mind being completely useless during 50% of the fights you will be a part of or b) You have the gold and proximity to a city that will allow you to switch specs to accommodate the given area you are choosing to PvP in.

It's great news that archers will be able to take jump shot in addition to aquatic but it still does not provide balance! Allow jump shot + mage killer and maybe we will see more people who can successfully play archer, until then there's no real point if you want to be as effective as you can be.

Simply allow us to choose any 2 of the upgrades we want and make aquatic shot default!

No player in their right mind will choose anything but that for the second category, why would you nullify the other specializations over something that everyone should already have?

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I keep holding out hope that the game will be improved at some point and that is the only reason I continue to play. Seeing how long it takes things like this to be implemented and how poorly they are implemented that hope is quickly dwindling.

THE GAME IS EMPTY AND IF YOU KEEP THINGS UP IT WILL JUST GET WORSE. COMMUNICATE WITH US MORE OFTEN THAN ONCE A MONTH REGARDING ISSUES THAT ACTUALLY EFFECT THE GAME AND IT'S FUTURE. WE ARE YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS AND WE WILL NOT STICK AROUND FOREVER IF YOU DON'T MAKE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO SHOW US THAT YOU INTEND TO MAKE THIS GAME THE BEST IT CAN BE.

I LOVE what darkfall could be, I DO NOT love what it is now - or from the looks of it, what it will become.


This

Keno
03-16-2010, 19:20
I agree.
honestly we don't fully know what their final game plan is.

And they do? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

SynCaine
03-16-2010, 19:20
OMG you mean, people could just pick up the game play a few days and be ready for pvp? You mean, there would be no huuuuuuuuge grind to turn players away from the game? You mean...

No grind= more players=more population= a better game for all?

People would be on a more level ground and PVP would be more about skill as opposed to having 400+ health?? I see your point.

Yea man, everyone would be playing as much as maxed characters like Val Roth. Oh wait...

GanKStaR1868
03-16-2010, 19:21
Are you kidding me? 2 groups? So i cant have jumpshot now if i want to have spells? I thought they were going to combine jump shot and aqua shot. I already am useless in water fights (well i can still shoot underwater) because i dont have aqua but that is because i destroy with jump. Correct me if im wrong, but please someone tell me they are not making me now lose my hybrid spells so i can keep jump shot.

Keno
03-16-2010, 19:21
I don't understand why I can't take all archer specs and gimp my magic/mana (maybe even melee)to the fullest, instead of choosing one spec out of two groups...

Good fucking point.

peertje
03-16-2010, 19:22
:ohno: weeeey. finally :)

giantAppleCore
03-16-2010, 19:22
As for the rest of the crying in this threat, I think I'd rather have a professional dev team making and testing changes than allow a collection of HS/Collage kids operating under group-think to start writing the code.

100% agree, this thread has so many armchair developers it's ridiculous.

GanKStaR1868
03-16-2010, 19:22
ok Never mind so i can have both aqua and jump and keep my spells.

Keno
03-16-2010, 19:22
Yea man, everyone would be playing as much as maxed characters like Val Roth. Oh wait...

You bring up an excellent point here, another MAJOR flaw in the game. THE ONLY CONTENT IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW IS THE GRIND!! Soo..

Take away the grind, and then there is NOTHING. Definitely a solid point, which is why they would need to implement more content along with that change.

Deerhunter
03-16-2010, 19:23
HS/Collage kids

...........

giantAppleCore
03-16-2010, 19:23
Are you kidding me? 2 groups? So i cant have jumpshot now if i want to have spells? I thought they were going to combine jump shot and aqua shot. I already am useless in water fights (well i can still shoot underwater) because i dont have aqua but that is because i destroy with jump. Correct me if im wrong, but please someone tell me they are not making me now lose my hybrid spells so i can keep jump shot.

You read it wrong. You can have jump shot and aquatic shot and keep your magic.

w0rm
03-16-2010, 19:24
Finally!

GluttonySDS
03-16-2010, 19:25
Yea man, everyone would be playing as much as maxed characters like Val Roth. Oh wait...

Maybe if the population was abundant and you easily find pvp he would keep playing...

McDoogs
03-16-2010, 19:25
Yea man, everyone would be playing as much as maxed characters like Val Roth. Oh wait...

fyi val roth had to play his character 2000+ hours to get to where it is (not even completely maxed).

Yeah, you're right, the game is better with that kind of grind facing new players. People are just lining up to quit this game.

PS val roth's reasons for not playing DF are his own

Mandariini
03-16-2010, 19:26
whine whine bitch bitch cry cry waah waah waambulance

Sleepwalkerr
03-16-2010, 19:28
Another feature the community has been asking about is Archery Specialization. Archery specialization will be split into two groups and each character can select one from each group. The first group contains Mana shield and Mage Killer while the second contains Jump Shot, Mage Hunter and Master Scout.



Fixed :)

Huora
03-16-2010, 19:30
You are going to kite someone shooting arrows in heavier armor at you by jump-shooting arrows back at them? That sounds like a great plan, good luck with that. Taking back hits and making yourself an easy target by jumping is definitely going to win you a fight.

If he is a magekiller and can't jumpshoot I'm pretty sure I can win him buffed with stoneskin and arrowshield if I can kite him all I want. Heavy armor gives him encumbrance and less damage too you know? I will be in bone/scale with all my elemental buffs.

L-C
03-16-2010, 19:33
They need to update the siege wagers too. Investing 200k to defend your holding then getting 20k for your trouble is pretty lame. It's not even enough to deter pointless grief sieges.

Boduar69
03-16-2010, 19:33
Better than nothing but yeah still not completely optimal since its still going to be a lot of cookie cutter. In other news ... you dont jump shot kite other archers ... wtf.

Makestro
03-16-2010, 19:34
The new wardec system really grinds my gears... it's preventing nothing, it's just a gold sink for the larger guilds.

EDIT: also LMFAO at no jump shot plus mage killer... switch mage hunter and mage killer please.

Liquid20
03-16-2010, 19:36
av please do the following.

Remove aquatic shot as a spec. I don't know what dev came up with that brilliant idea, but, its dumb. Period. It's dumb.

Fuck the groups av. Just allow people to pick 2.

Mage killer
mage hunter
mana shield
jump shot
(replace aquatic shot with one of the million other types of shots that people have suggested)

also, hire me. I'll finish my last year in college later, lets just save this game.

qft.

McDoogs
03-16-2010, 19:36
I don't really understand the time spent on war decs. I mean who cares? Spend some time on fuckin ally mechanics already

SynCaine
03-16-2010, 19:37
fyi val roth had to play his character 2000+ hours to get to where it is (not even completely maxed).

Yeah, you're right, the game is better with that kind of grind facing new players. People are just lining up to quit this game.

PS val roth's reasons for not playing DF are his own

He made his reasons known. He got bored of PvE because he had a full bank. He got bored of raiding cities because either he dominated or got zerged, and win or lose he gained nothing anyway, and he too-often missed a major fight or siege because he was not logged on often enough to catch them.

And he himself stated that part of what he enjoyed was the character development, but because he rushed through it so fast, he 'finished' that part of the game much sooner than expected. Nothing at all to do with the grind, other than Val wished he still had some to do.

As for people lining up, the starter areas are as busy as they have ever been, as are cities/hamlets that cater to newer players. The spots that are not as active? The places all the 'vets' live. Which funny enough, is the exact opposite of the forums. The people playing the game are in-game, the ones bitching that no one is supposedly playing are all group-thinking here or while holding their lightsaber or whatever FOTM comes next.

SidVicious
03-16-2010, 19:39
How about the devs present us with their ideas and let the community decide what new features and changes go in and HOW they are implemented, instead of having them just blindly put shit in that never works correctly and is worthless.


uuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmm THIS!!!!!

AV makes me want to do this irl ....:bang:

Mr. BigBlok
03-16-2010, 19:40
I can hardly believe it took you this amount of time (since last patch) to program two additions/changes to two in-game mechanics.

Reorganise your resources to work more efficient because if it takes you over a month to create these two things then how long are you going to take for the next expansion? another 6 months? the players want frequent patches and communication on the turn Aventurine wants to take the game, NOT the whiners.

I'm disgusted to see the whiners that's by far the biggest group voicing their opinions on the forums are winning.

There is something to be said for quality Mapi. The software development cycle isn't as cut and dry as you might like it to be.

I agree with the second part of your post however, I feel like DF is becoming more of a whine box than a sandbox... but how are the devs going to know if you don't tell them.

I guess there should be more people giving them positive feedback on current mechanics :D ... however unlikely that may sound. More likely to have counter whining / argument threads. heh.

Overall good job guys.

KCC989
03-16-2010, 19:41
well I guess mage killer + aqua or when when you your on land Mage hunter, will have to do. I wanted jump shot, mage killer, to have some chance of dodging the nuke spammers, but I guess the extra tank will help.

I completely agree. Just let us pick 2 from all specs.

Lint938
03-16-2010, 19:41
This is truly sad. How long has it taken for this to be implemented? And now that it is finally being implemented it's still broken.

Someone who chooses archery over magic is still going to get destroyed by any decent mage. You are still FORCED to take aquatic shot unless a) You don't mind being completely useless during 50% of the fights you will be a part of or b) You have the gold and proximity to a city that will allow you to switch specs to accommodate the given area you are choosing to PvP in.

It's great news that archers will be able to take jump shot in addition to aquatic but it still does not provide balance! Allow jump shot + mage killer and maybe we will see more people who can successfully play archer, until then there's no real point if you want to be as effective as you can be.

Simply allow us to choose any 2 of the upgrades we want and make aquatic shot default!

No player in their right mind will choose anything but that for the second category, why would you nullify the other specializations over something that everyone should already have?

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I keep holding out hope that the game will be improved at some point and that is the only reason I continue to play. Seeing how long it takes things like this to be implemented and how poorly they are implemented that hope is quickly dwindling.

THE GAME IS EMPTY AND IF YOU KEEP THINGS UP IT WILL JUST GET WORSE. COMMUNICATE WITH US MORE OFTEN THAN ONCE A MONTH REGARDING ISSUES THAT ACTUALLY EFFECT THE GAME AND IT'S FUTURE. WE ARE YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS AND WE WILL NOT STICK AROUND FOREVER IF YOU DON'T MAKE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO SHOW US THAT YOU INTEND TO MAKE THIS GAME THE BEST IT CAN BE.

I LOVE what darkfall could be, I DO NOT love what it is now - or from the looks of it, what it will become.

This

Kimoshu
03-16-2010, 19:44
Going to agree with Barny.

Even with the most amazing suggestion post in DF history, barny hit it right on the head with that comment.

The suggestions forum is for suggestions to the devs, so they might pick apart the best'est and most e-leet'est list ever, but when it boils down to it this is they're game (AV) and a lot of those changes in the list are game breaking/changing.

I do not expect half of those suggestions to ever make it 'live' but more as a guidelines and what they should keep in mind when developing new ideas.

Back to work now ya'll

I agree with Barny as well and it was something I mentioned in your giant thread also Keno. You have a few solid ideas which will correct bad mechanics and address some annoyances in the game but overall many of your ideas to me were just wanting to force very specific gameplay and that to me is removing the sandboxy feel of the game. There's already not enough sand in the box and much of your suggestions would turn DF into a completely different game with a hell of a lot less sand. AV is addressing what they feel are the downfalls of their game and so far I have been happy with the overall direction the game is going. They can't and won't get everything that everyone wants addressed and implemented the dozen different ways everyone wants something implemented.

That being said I am concerned about this wardeccing change but will save my comments till I see the actual data as to what was changed. After the Newbie protection idea I am concerned about the "easy-ing" up of the game...

-Andrew

Captain Kirk
03-16-2010, 19:45
I think the archery specc's are a complete failure. It's gimped archery more then its helped and even with this change its not going make it a lot better tbh. What they have to add (since all other speccs got it) is penalty to magic when you customize your spells there...

Sinny
03-16-2010, 19:46
here's a suggestion.

if you don't have aquatic shot "DONT GO IN THE WATER", everyone having aquatic shot is making it and easy option compared to other skills is stupid imo, it's a choice, you either want one or the other.

GG AV, bring on moar info!

Ragnarok Delrhe
03-16-2010, 19:48
War Deck thing is actually not bad. They could have done it other ways to make it better, but, hell, at least they are changing it. Archery specs seem fail. I would still love to know who the fuck came up with Aquatic shot as a spec.

you can qq all you want about aquatic shot however mage killer + mage hunter is going to be pretty good against mages now. No more qq allowed about mages having bigger dps cause that wont be true. mage killer + jumpshot would be op.
I would have placed the groups has that though: mage killer/jumpshot/master scout and the other one being mana shield/mage hunter/aquatic shot

Synik
03-16-2010, 19:48
So your telling me you cannot get Mage Killer and Jump Shot?

Icing on the cake.....

AND AQUATIC SHOT IS STILL A SPEC!!!!!!

WOW.............

This patch would have been a sight of relief a month ago. Now I just qq at it, I mean seriously if the changes r this simple and non reflextive of the communities wants it's to little to late. The ONLY thing I like is the war dec change but this shoulda happened a while ago...

As for archery... I'm leveling my int to 75 and have pretty much given up on any real change ever happening to the combat system. Especially archery.
The guys testing archery must Have BADASS aim.

Belteyn
03-16-2010, 19:49
Well that's Ginger Magician Bankrupt with 130+ war decs in place:lmao:

Keno
03-16-2010, 19:49
I think the archery specc's are a complete failure. It's gimped archery more then its helped and even with this change its not going make it a lot better tbh. What they have to add (since all other speccs got it) is penalty to magic when you customize your spells there...

+100 for Kirk

Ragnarok Delrhe
03-16-2010, 19:49
war dec change are decent but they should do a complete overhaul of the racial system to allow other races to go into any npc city (but get grey if they attack someone in the guard tower range and obviously get zapped then)

Yoda
03-16-2010, 19:51
aqua shot should be available to everyone.

Belteyn
03-16-2010, 19:53
So are war decs (and other decs) now going to just involve those clans or still broadcast to whole server?

McDoogs
03-16-2010, 19:53
He made his reasons known. He got bored of PvE because he had a full bank. He got bored of raiding cities because either he dominated or got zerged, and win or lose he gained nothing anyway, and he too-often missed a major fight or siege because he was not logged on often enough to catch them.

And he himself stated that part of what he enjoyed was the character development, but because he rushed through it so fast, he 'finished' that part of the game much sooner than expected. Nothing at all to do with the grind, other than Val wished he still had some to do.

As for people lining up, the starter areas are as busy as they have ever been, as are cities/hamlets that cater to newer players. The spots that are not as active? The places all the 'vets' live. Which funny enough, is the exact opposite of the forums. The people playing the game are in-game, the ones bitching that no one is supposedly playing are all group-thinking here or while holding their lightsaber or whatever FOTM comes next.

You did nothing in 3 paragraphs to explain why you think the current character development grind is a good thing for Darkfall.

sweet_tooth
03-16-2010, 19:56
Mage killer mage hunter will be insane IMO

Dezul
03-16-2010, 19:56
Today we’ll take you behind the scenes and talk about some of the things Darkfall developers are working on for the next patch.

There are some changes to the War Declaration system in the works: It won’t be free anymore to declare war and it won’t be instantaneous. If a clan declares war, there’s a fee taken out of its clan vault. After that happens the status changes to WARY and all clan members will be notified of the upcoming war. There’s a system message visible to members of both clans with the time remaining until status changes to “Enemy”. Clan members logging in after the fact will be notified as well.

Another feature the community has been asking about is Archery Specialization. Archery specialization will be split into two groups and each character can select one from each group. The first group contains Mana shield, Mage Killer and Jump Shot while the second contains Aquatic Shot, Mage Hunter and Master Scout.

These changes, along with other things, will be patched in sometime next week.

We’ll also let you know that we’re always looking for information about Darkfall 2010. At the moment however, the developers are focused on finalizing their decisions and tests of included features before they can start sharing more information.

Thank you AV! Feels great to know that you guys are listening to the community and working make what is already a very good game a great game.

McDoogs
03-16-2010, 19:58
Mage killer mage hunter will be insane IMO

jump shot + aquatic shot mage hybrids will still be versatile enough to excel

TooTight
03-16-2010, 19:59
They should have just made it aqua shot works all of the time and you can pick 1 other one, would have been more customizable then this patch?? Why would they have split it up into 2 groups of 3 specs?? Makes 0 sense to us

freakd
03-16-2010, 20:03
fffffuuuu you unbelivers, AV doing great job keep it up! Master scout mhmmmm :)

Izure
03-16-2010, 20:05
jump shot + aquatic shot mage hybrids will still be versatile enough to excel

This, mages will be archers as well, and if you pick mage killer or hunter or both, you will end up being gimped even more then before patch against a mage.

nick larking
03-16-2010, 20:05
either way it is a nerf for archers vs mages, not a buff. to see it as one means you are blinded.

Jump is not needed vs mages, you just archery while they are jumping away from you and then switch to melee once close.
The only thing where it is a real nerf is vs other archers.

Archery is fine without jump shot as automatic, i still think aquashot should be a seperate skill you buy for 500gold instead of a spec.
Although i pesonaly wouldnt mind if jump is standard.

SynCaine
03-16-2010, 20:07
You did nothing in 3 paragraphs to explain why you think the current character development grind is a good thing for Darkfall.

First you claimed I did not know why Val quit, so I explained it to everyone (I'm guessing you already knew). And what it does explain, though I guess not directly enough, is that for many the grind is the game, or at least an important part of making this whole game work. I'm hoping I don't need to write another three paragraphs explaining why, do I?

If you don't want a grind, I heard you can get competitive real quick in MW or BC2. I'm not saying I agree 100% with how stat/skill gain works right now, but this whole "2 days to max would bring more people into the game" thinking is crazy, and almost all of MMO history suggests just the opposite.

The site/suggestions Keno and Co made showed a lot of effort and are overall interesting. Some of the ideas behind the suggestions are very solid and I'm sure Aventurine has taken note and brought them into consideration, but to expect them to immediately start writing the code is crazy, as are so many of the other complaints in this thread.

whitebox
03-16-2010, 20:09
Remove jumpshoot for all magic skills, remove jumpshot for archery, Remove aqua shot increase stamina loss while in water.
Remove gills, remove water breathing rings and short the time on diving.

Game fixed.

Paragus
03-16-2010, 20:12
As far as the new archery specs changes, I will reserve judgment until we see them in action. What I think a lot of the frothing lunatics in this thread need to remember is that there are other changes that may have an impact on these changes. Wasn't there a spotlight a few posts down about specific armor for certain playstyles? Might be best to wait until we see the whole picture before raging over one piece of the puzzle. The frothers might be right in the end, but at this stage I'll take a wait and see approach.

War deck thing is interesting. My main question would be how much does it costs, and how long is the window? Most sieges start with someone being war decked 1 minute or less before having a siege dropped, if the timer is really long it could draw out the siege process or have an effect on the amount of prep time someone has.

Keno
03-16-2010, 20:12
Remove jumpshoot for all magic skills, remove jumpshot for archery, Remove aqua shot increase stamina loss while in water.
Remove gills, remove water breathing rings and short the time on diving.

Game fixed.

pass me some of that weed bro.

P.S. On a more serious note, and in before QQ's...

Remove all Magic.

Helcular
03-16-2010, 20:12
Remove all magic skills, remove archery, remove stamina loss while in water.

Game fixed.

fix'd

Stanleyxd
03-16-2010, 20:13
Remove jumpshoot for all magic skills, remove jumpshot for archery, Remove aqua shot increase stamina loss while in water.
Remove gills, remove water breathing rings and short the time on diving.

Game fixed.

sounds boring.

Cyrus Aurum
03-16-2010, 20:14
Remove jumpshoot for all magic skills, remove jumpshot for archery, Remove aqua shot increase stamina loss while in water.
Remove gills, remove water breathing rings and short the time on diving.

Game fixed.

remove all spawns but fire dragon

every day is epic raid

Bakou
03-16-2010, 20:15
pass me some of that weed bro.

P.S. On a more serious note, and in before QQ's...

Remove all Magic.

go back to your shitty 10 years old game retard

whitebox
03-16-2010, 20:15
sounds boring.

Not at all, think about it bit more.

Helcular
03-16-2010, 20:16
Not at all, think about it bit more.

I just thought about it a bit more.

Keno
03-16-2010, 20:19
go back to your shitty 10 years old game retard

You do realize that the shitty 10 year old game you are referring to has more people playing it then darkfall? Right? You understand this? Then when release comes..... GG

Makestro
03-16-2010, 20:22
You do realize that the shitty 10 year old game you are referring to has more people playing it then darkfall? Right? You understand this? Then when release comes..... GG

Yeah, sad but true. Should let me join you guys on the emu server not like I can rob your bank or anything :P

karlek
03-16-2010, 20:23
You doing it wrong.

1. You make sieges/war cost EVEN MORE money. It is already a retarded moneysink that nobody wants to siege and now you make it more expensive.

2. Aquatic shot should not be a spec in any way. It's the shit you just need. Also as for jump shot it also should've been not a spec. Double jump on archery should've been a spec not a single jump.

Keno
03-16-2010, 20:24
Yeah, sad but true. Should let me join you guys on the emu server not like I can rob your bank or anything :P

hahah.. We'll need some people to slip into other guilds and get voted to mayor so we can take over cities. We can use your slyness for that, what you say?

GluttonySDS
03-16-2010, 20:24
go back to your shitty 10 years old game retard

hahaha sheivan... hard to talk shit about old games given where we came from ;)

Makestro
03-16-2010, 20:25
hahah.. We'll need some people to slip into other guilds and get voted to mayor so we can take over cities. We can use your slyness for that, what you say?

You know I'm always up to do some dirty deeds, :P

Izure
03-16-2010, 20:28
You know I'm always up to do some dirty deeds, :P

Thats hawt

Nitsua185
03-16-2010, 20:28
I'm to lazy to type my thoughts on the archery issue, but to sum it up I'll just say I agree with Keno.

PLEAAAAAAAAASE do not put jump shot and mage killer in the same group. It'll do absolutely nothing to fix the current issue of magery being OP(I'm a mage).

kdchan
03-16-2010, 20:30
Today we’ll take you behind the scenes and talk about some of the things Darkfall developers are working on for the next patch.

There are some changes to the War Declaration system in the works: It won’t be free anymore to declare war and it won’t be instantaneous. If a clan declares war, there’s a fee taken out of its clan vault. After that happens the status changes to WARY and all clan members will be notified of the upcoming war. There’s a system message visible to members of both clans with the time remaining until status changes to “Enemy”. Clan members logging in after the fact will be notified as well.

Another feature the community has been asking about is Archery Specialization. Archery specialization will be split into two groups and each character can select one from each group. The first group contains Mana shield, Mage Killer and Jump Shot while the second contains Aquatic Shot, Mage Hunter and Master Scout.

These changes, along with other things, will be patched in sometime next week.

We’ll also let you know that we’re always looking for information about Darkfall 2010. At the moment however, the developers are focused on finalizing their decisions and tests of included features before they can start sharing more information.

Is a good move about war dec, but what about 1 man clans who already are in war with all the newbs clans ?
There is also fee maintenance for keep the war active against so many clans? Otherwise this feature will be usless.

Kiad
03-16-2010, 20:31
I hope AV realizes its the same 5-6 people that keep QQing about how weak archery is and how powerful magic is. Somehow they've blown this up to about 13 pages so far.

When will you scrubs realize, archery is MORE powerful than magery at end game because you can wear heavier armor with FAR less penalty. The heavier armor you can wear gives you WAY more advantage in melee where the most damage can be dealt in the shortest amount of time (DPS). A player who relies on archery in a FP suit and stone skin/selfbuffs can out damage any magery reliant DPS player with ease. I know NA1 players don't seem to have the ability to grasp this, but EU1 archers are raping face every day in game with this instead of QQing on boards.

Now, does this mean you need magery to be the best you can be? Yes! Does it also mean you will need archery to be the best you can be? Yes! Thats the best part about DF. You CANNOT just ignore an entire aspect of combat and be the best!

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=238974

The above link where many of the game's best players (ohh yeah, evanar, demise etc) confirm directly or indirectly what I said above.

Fenris J
03-16-2010, 20:36
Amazing how mage character will gain a buff with this changes : they can take jumpshot and aquaticshot, honestly the mana reduction is negligible when you're a good mage having maxed 3 magic schools.

Thus, even a full anti-mage character with both mage hunter and mage killer will just find his specialisations useless when his mage opponent will just switch to archery too and jump shoot instead of jump cast.

As a mage, i think we didn't need this :), but we need transmuted staves to work !

Rekshop
03-16-2010, 20:38
I agree with Barny as well and it was something I mentioned in your giant thread also Keno. You have a few solid ideas which will correct bad mechanics and address some annoyances in the game but overall many of your ideas to me were just wanting to force very specific gameplay and that to me is removing the sandboxy feel of the game. There's already not enough sand in the box and much of your suggestions would turn DF into a completely different game with a hell of a lot less sand. AV is addressing what they feel are the downfalls of their game and so far I have been happy with the overall direction the game is going. They can't and won't get everything that everyone wants addressed and implemented the dozen different ways everyone wants something implemented.

That being said I am concerned about this wardeccing change but will save my comments till I see the actual data as to what was changed. After the Newbie protection idea I am concerned about the "easy-ing" up of the game...

-Andrew

You make sweeping generalizations without providing any concrete examples. Please tell us exactly how those changes will force you to play differently and maybe offer up some additions to change that. Otherwise, you have no basis for your complaint.

exodus2
03-16-2010, 20:39
if aventurine desgined windows you would have to spec "Copy and Paste"

Aristos
03-16-2010, 20:39
Considering how many people are asking for aquashot to be available to everyone by default, and not a spec, I will be extremely shocked if AV continues with this current plan. I'll probably just unsub to be honest. It's taken them this long to realize there was an issue in the first place, and their communication with the community has been terribad, as always.

Lint938
03-16-2010, 20:40
You doing it wrong.

1. You make sieges/war cost EVEN MORE money. It is already a retarded moneysink that nobody wants to siege and now you make it more expensive.


2. Aquatic shot should not be a spec in any way. It's the shit you just need. Also as for jump shot it also should've been not a spec. Double jump on archery should've been a spec not a single jump.

Double jump on archery that would be fun YES!

Galadourn
03-16-2010, 20:42
a step in the right direction about wardec. Now only to see how much that "fee" is...

Rekshop
03-16-2010, 20:42
I hope AV realizes its the same 5-6 people that keep QQing about how weak archery is and how powerful magic is.


Learn to count.

whitebox
03-16-2010, 20:42
Considering how many people are asking for aquashot to be available to everyone by default, and not a spec, I will be extremely shocked if AV continues with this current plan. I'll probably just unsub to be honest. It's taken them this long to realize there was an issue in the first place, and their communication with the community has been terribad, as always.


Can i have your stuff!!

xpiher
03-16-2010, 20:43
Called it

Keno
03-16-2010, 21:00
if aventurine desgined windows you would have to spec "Copy and Paste"

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

alfar1
03-16-2010, 21:05
Priceless work from AV as usual.

War Declaration Changes - made obvious and easy changes one year later.
Archery Specializations changes - same after 3 months.

Check that, started talking about obvious changes that needed to be done 1 year and 3 months before now.
How long will it take them to actually do them, God knows.

Truly, if we wished to play a good game we ought to come back in a year at least, maybe later. Only question is, will they have enough paying customers to support the game while they make it right one step in a fucking month.

Ruyn
03-16-2010, 21:16
Every archery specialization should prevent you from using elemental and beyond magic. Some specializations do, but all should. Why should the mages get any access to the archery goodness?

Karac
03-16-2010, 21:17
I think that everyone should be able to take Aqua Shot PLUS Jump Shot PLUS Mage Killer, but this should fuck over his mana pool (not like now).
All of this combined with a 3rd hit critical, would balance archery AND reward good archers.

By the way, I made a test yesterday. A guy in my guild with 38 unbuffed DEX hit me for 25-26 in the front (using a .75 r50 bow). After I buffed his DEX to 95, he hit me for 31-33. That's roughly 1 damage for every 10 dexterity point, just like strength.
I don't have the SS, but this is a test that could be easy replicable by anyone.

7 damage increase for every arrow is huge. Dexterity grind, as every long and tedious grind, is not.

World Dominator
03-16-2010, 21:18
It's an improvement however it's not going to fix archery and this took AV how much time to do? jeez

empa
03-16-2010, 21:19
if aventurine desgined windows you would have to spec "Copy and Paste"

i dont know why but i lol'd

Rekshop
03-16-2010, 21:19
if aventurine desgined windows you would have to spec "Copy and Paste"

QFT. I'm surprised they didn't make jumping, sprinting, and swimming a spec.

kdchan
03-16-2010, 21:19
Priceless work from AV as usual.

War Declaration Changes - made obvious and easy changes one year later.
Archery Specializations changes - same after 3 months.

Check that, started talking about obvious changes that needed to be done 1 year and 3 months before now.
How long will it take them to actually do them, God knows.

Truly, if we wished to play a good game we ought to come back in a year at least, maybe later. Only question is, will they have enough paying customers to support the game while they make it right one step in a fucking month.

If they don't reset all wars this change on war dec is useless, or if they keep the actual war dec status they should add a fee for keep the war.
Will see what happen, surely if they do this system well new players who want start a clan and live in npc towns have more time to skilling up and learn the game.

MillionAlts
03-16-2010, 21:28
Because 80% of the community is newbies who wouldn't be able to balance the game at its highest level. Not saying the developers necessarily can either, but I trust them more than leaving it up to the community lol.

And there's the rub. The total embuggerment of all our plans. Balance a game for the top 20%, and the other 80% leave. Shortly after that, 80% of the top 20% leave too.

Possible solutions include multiple servers with differing rulesets, or some kind of ranking/tier/reputation/renown system so the top 20 fight the top 20, and the other 80% duke it out with each other in thier own style.

Darwoth
03-16-2010, 21:29
since archery is the bastion of whiney hotpocket inhaling FPS newbs with no attention span it should never be remotely as powerful or useful as magic which still takes months and millions of gold to raise to a competent level vs the 2 days and 50k arrows that archery takes.

the fact all of the archers are pissing and moaning only means that their change was implemented as correctly as it could have been (was fine before)


the war declaration deal is pretty stupid, just another thing that caters to the zerg guilds and has removed yet another option/playstyle from the small independant clans that already play the game in a manner that is far more difficult and challenging than everyone else. if anything a countdown timer would have been sufficient to prevent sam smelternewb from losing his 25 ingots and raging, the gold cost to declare the war is just stupid and will eliminate the vast majority of "townie" guilds.

naturally this carebear community will rejoice at that prospect, however it was a fun and valid playstyle for those that wanted an alternative to joining a zerg and sitting on their cocks doing nothing all day.

alfar1
03-16-2010, 21:33
If they don't reset all wars this change on war dec is useless, or if they keep the actual war dec status they should add a fee for keep the war.
Will see what happen, surely if they do this system well new players who want start a clan and live in npc towns have more time to skilling up and learn the game.

Yes, after I posted I thought of that, but there's no edit. So, the changes are a year late and incomplete into the bargain. Beat that, huh.

Synik
03-16-2010, 21:47
I hope AV realizes its the same 5-6 people that keep QQing about how weak archery is and how powerful magic is. Somehow they've blown this up to about 13 pages so far.

When will you scrubs realize, archery is MORE powerful than magery at end game because you can wear heavier armor with FAR less penalty. The heavier armor you can wear gives you WAY more advantage in melee where the most damage can be dealt in the shortest amount of time (DPS). A player who relies on archery in a FP suit and stone skin/selfbuffs can out damage any magery reliant DPS player with ease. I know NA1 players don't seem to have the ability to grasp this, but EU1 archers are raping face every day in game with this instead of QQing on boards.

Now, does this mean you need magery to be the best you can be? Yes! Does it also mean you will need archery to be the best you can be? Yes! Thats the best part about DF. You CANNOT just ignore an entire aspect of combat and be the best!

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=238974

The above link where many of the game's best players (ohh yeah, evanar, demise etc) confirm directly or indirectly what I said above.
Seriously? Your saying
that archery is a viable spec? Btw you honestly can't base your arguement on the top players in the game... They would be good with just about any spec..

Btw I'm not trying to flame you just asking if this is a troll...

Answer me this, in a even character stat/skill fight archery could win?
Better question, if you had a duel against a clone of you for 1 million usd. What would you spec...

Adreu
03-16-2010, 21:52
At last...a wardec payment. Good move. ;)

Haz^^
03-16-2010, 22:05
Sorry but even I'm pissed about this one.

I'm already Archery spec and it IS a bit underpowered compared to playing a mage, but that's not even the issue. WTF am i waiting for this expansion for, no new specializations with just a regrouping...why the **** isn't this done like 2 weeks after they introduced this crap, why do they need to release this in an expansion there's no new CONTENT its just an attempt (A BAD ATTEMPT) at a balance fix...WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY don't you just do short patches to test this stuff out in game. Maybe people wouldn't get so worked up if they didn't think they would be waiting another 6 months for you to RE-fix the issue....

DeManiac
03-16-2010, 22:06
How about saying directly, and replying in threads about very frequently asked questions, I can't recall that a the post of "things we want to know" ever got their questions even partially answered, it was just a , quell the mob, move.


What I expect of this expansion, since nearly no info has been given, is that it should add so frigging much, it's not even possible to fit it in one patch note.

But, I'd rather see that more frequent notes were given, compared to a whole site with info.

In spotlight, there should be a Stickied post about new Features going to be added, where the community can discuss it.
That way, even if they are not added, we can see that you are working on stuff.
As far as I know, you can be sitting at a beach, figuring, what move should we do to make them stop whining at the forums.
Once you establish something, it's frequent information about it that's nice.
But even the small details, are interesting, even the small changes, those can be discussed endlessly.

I cannot stress how many times after the expansion the simple question, IS THIS INTENDED, about only ONE archery specc.

A simple thread explaining the fact that, we intended to have more then one, but due to the changes in other parts of the game, we decided to start slowly with one, the same way we did with other changes.
We start slowly, and patch them up, as we progress.

THAT ONE, comment, would have made everyone happy, to know that you knew, to know that you cared, to know that you are making the right moves.

NOW, 4 month after the expansion, OK guys, we have decided this, we are going to group these into these 2 groups, discuss....
We have already discussed for a few month now, what you could atleast say was an explanation to WHY it was this way to begin with.
EXPLAIN yourself, a bit more, make us understand WHY, you make the decisions you do.
It's not much, I even develop games myself, and we keep a strict project log on all changes, on everything going on, even if the groups work on separate fronts, it's not hard to keep track of what's happening, I understand that a Indie company cannot ship patches at the same rate as bigger companies, but atleast, the group is small enough to keep good track of what's been, and what's not been done.
And with 1, or mby 2, designers working on figuring out, how do we balance this game?, there should be quite allot of discussions.



Please for the love of god, take some responsibility.
It's not hard, you can add features quick if you want, I know you can, you can patch stuff fast, as long as you haven't modded most of the files already.

But what you can not do, that is to ignore the call that the community does, that is what you cannot do, especially when you have so many unanswered questions floating in the air, so much promised, SO MUCH.




Before the last expansion, we could track the progress reading the twitter, if we were interested, what were added there was things like, today I worked some on a model, today I worked on trade route logic.
What we did not see there on the otherhand, that was things like,"Feature compilation before shipping of expansion is taking longer time then expected, shipment date pushed forward".

You know yourself, what's happening, sharing that with us, that's what's important, doesn't even have to be statements such as, Now we promis this feature, and then you have to take it back, a comment such as.

We have recognized this problem, we are looking at it.


The same as every GM does atm about EVERYTHING.
But they are not the ones to give answers, you are.
And ignoring all the calls of the community, that's bad.

Over and out.

DAA KAPUTTMACHA
03-16-2010, 22:10
Sorry but even I'm pissed about this one.

I'm already Archery spec and it IS a bit underpowered compared to playing a mage, but that's not even the issue. WTF am i waiting for this expansion for, no new specializations with just a regrouping...why the **** isn't this done like 2 weeks after they introduced this crap, why do they need to release this in an expansion there's no new CONTENT its just an attempt (A BAD ATTEMPT) at a balance fix...WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY don't you just do short patches to test this stuff out in game. Maybe people wouldn't get so worked up if they didn't think they would be waiting another 6 months for you to RE-fix the issue....

wtf are you talking about. this thread is about "the next patch", not any expansion.

DeManiac
03-16-2010, 22:13
Let me give you a pro tip.

SVN or BIG Dropbox.

One folder for Media, one Folder for Code, and One Folder for finished features.

One person that works on combining each feature once they are added to the Finished folder, same guy does QA for each added feature, trying it extensively.

Once it passes QA, that last Finished QA tested version, is added to a secondary folder, that one the Web or Technichan group, try to get up on a PTR site.

Once you get past that Work Process, you will have most your features on schedule, you will also have people USED to deploy patches, not having to figure out, how the fuck did we do this last time?.


A PTR site, with it's own Forum part, for those interested in changed features, will make community so much better.
Due to the fact that it's a PTR, people don't care about unbalanced shit, neither do they care about having to DL the whole game over and over again, if you cannot find better ways to deploy your patches without creating a BIN file with the changes. you will get FREE testing done.

Win Win Win Win, situation, since the whole team will work more efficient.
And please change from Waterfall working technique to a Iteration process.
Or a Agile Scrum method.

Ziglug
03-16-2010, 22:15
LOL, all this means is that mages will now have AQUATIC SHOT AND JUMP SHOT.

Make it so if you take both of those it blocks Elemental/

Abremalist
03-16-2010, 22:16
Well. I like good changes.

Of course I hope that there will be some clear instructions. Some changes have been the kind that you have to start talking to friends and looking on the web for details. Not the patch notes or the official FAQ.

Good stuff overall.

Kiad
03-16-2010, 22:17
Seriously? Your saying
that archery is a viable spec? Btw you honestly can't base your arguement on the top players in the game... They would be good with just about any spec..

Btw I'm not trying to flame you just asking if this is a troll...

Answer me this, in a even character stat/skill fight archery could win?
Better question, if you had a duel against a clone of you for 1 million usd. What would you spec...

I'm saying archery is fine without any specs that take away magic. I would never specialize destroyer or mage killer because I want to be useful in all situations including solo play. What you don't seem to get is that you can use archery for 100% of all your damage, keep magery for buffs and gear in heavy armor and destroy players who wear bone and cast rank 50s and 90s all day for all their damage.

And yes, I do base my argument on top players because they are the ones that already have all skill to 100 (magic melee and archery) and have all the choices as to which to use. The typical trend for a constantly improving player is as follows:

1. Start with melee/archery because its the cheapest. Spec mage killer/destroyer because you have no magic anyway.
2. Get magics high and drop mage killer/destroyer because its not verstile enough to overcome high magic and a good 2h GS. The player at this point is too poor from magic to afford good gear.
3. Get rich and have good gear with ALL skills. Realize that with Full Plate+, archery/melee provide best dps/protection ratio and you can still use magic for buffs/blinds.

I would say 40% of the population is at step 1. They get raped by the 50% of the population at step 2. Step 3 is where 5-10% of the population is at and if I were to put money on who would win in a duel between all the best players.

DeManiac
03-16-2010, 22:18
LOL, all this means is that mages will now have AQUATIC SHOT AND JUMP SHOT.

Make it so if you take both of those it blocks Elemental/

One thing it also does is give those sacrificing their Magery for archery speccs such as Mage-Killer, the ability to have Mage-Hunter aswel.
Effectively giving them 3 extra magic prot for free.
I would however like that the healthbonus added, did not get removed by changing weapon.

All those should be active at all times, the same was as buffs casted, will still be active while not wearing a staff.
A healthbonus that's added and removed upon a change of weapon, that's the worst addition in a long time, whoever got that idea of a "smart" feature, didn't even play the game.

Melkorus
03-16-2010, 22:33
Good changes...for mages. What the fuck is wrong with you AV!!!!

- Aquatic shot, it should not be a god damn spec, it's not as if Agon is lacking water, water is everywhere (just in case you guys forgot), and people NEED this.

- It took you 4 months to implement this?? wtf.

- A mage can spec into jumpshot/aquatic shot and fuck up any other mage killer/hunter spec. Allow Mage Killer + Jump Shot. Better yet, remove the god damn groups!


Kudos on the War dec changes, it was long overdue, can't believe it took you this long to do it, but at least you did it...after loosing god knows how many newbies because of it.

And yes, hire Keno already.

Alberton
03-16-2010, 22:40
AV would be considering the patch changes based on what they know they are implementing for the expansion.

We cant see the big picture yet.

Its a step in the right direction AV.

kilrain
03-16-2010, 22:40
Grats they buffed mages again, think of the situation, you go in with mage hunter and mage killer, you see a mage, 1vs1 you attack him, he switches to bow with aqua and jump shot, can go in water, or kite/dodge u.

LOL great Nerf to archery AV. Let me know when I dont need offensive magic to compete anymore AV, thanks.

This, perhaps mage spec will remove all archery specs?

Nux Vomica
03-16-2010, 22:49
How about the devs present us with their ideas and let the community decide what new features and changes go in and HOW they are implemented, instead of having them just blindly put shit in that never works correctly and is worthless.

Worst idea I've ever heard. Is this your first MMO?

amah
03-16-2010, 22:55
I'm saying archery is fine without any specs that take away magic. I would never specialize destroyer or mage killer because I want to be useful in all situations including solo play. What you don't seem to get is that you can use archery for 100% of all your damage, keep magery for buffs and gear in heavy armor and destroy players who wear bone and cast rank 50s and 90s all day for all their damage.

And yes, I do base my argument on top players because they are the ones that already have all skill to 100 (magic melee and archery) and have all the choices as to which to use. The typical trend for a constantly improving player is as follows:

1. Start with melee/archery because its the cheapest. Spec mage killer/destroyer because you have no magic anyway.
2. Get magics high and drop mage killer/destroyer because its not verstile enough to overcome high magic and a good 2h GS. The player at this point is too poor from magic to afford good gear.
3. Get rich and have good gear with ALL skills. Realize that with Full Plate+, archery/melee provide best dps/protection ratio and you can still use magic for buffs/blinds.

I would say 40% of the population is at step 1. They get raped by the 50% of the population at step 2. Step 3 is where 5-10% of the population is at and if I were to put money on who would win in a duel between all the best players.

what kiad said .why should you spec destroyer when you can roll in infernal/bone +buffs and keep the utility spells ,while you dmg with archery and melee .I hate one trick ponies and this is exactly what people want .


whaaaa i want to fight in the water ,and jump all around ,and kill people with mounts and people with spellz and all sort of other guys ,solo in pve gear .

the patchnotes were very good , i will get mana shield so that i will be +10% dmg reduction+ FP/bone + buffs ,while you will have mage killer and kiss my ass goodbye .

Wyndal
03-16-2010, 22:56
tl;dr.... stopped at pg 8

my comment regarding aqua shot is that as long as there continues to be nothing to counter it people will have no choice but to take the spec or be gimped.

give everyone aqua shot and let ppl choose 2 other archery specs OR add something (oh, i dunno, WATER MAGIC maybe) that can be used to counter it.

Mossarrow
03-16-2010, 23:07
its nice to hear some news about the upcoming patch!

I'm quite curious and started to count back :sly:

Keno
03-16-2010, 23:09
LOL, all this means is that mages will now have AQUATIC SHOT AND JUMP SHOT.

Make it so if you take both of those it blocks Elemental/

:lmao: yupp

Keno
03-16-2010, 23:10
Worst idea I've ever heard. Is this your first MMO?
Your right, the villages, siege mechanics, towers, and other shit are amazing.

JCatano
03-16-2010, 23:14
Get rid of all jumpcasting/jumpshooting (or only allow a 45-90 degree turn in midair), then nobody can whine about how the specs work. Combat was better when they took out those mechanics for awhile. You could still kite (spinshoot); just not indefinitely.

Having people bunny-hop all over the place looks absolutely ridiculous. We even jump around in melee...

Eithon
03-16-2010, 23:15
My name is Eithon, and I just stood up and came all over my monitor.

But can you also change the 1 man clans wardeccing people? Let there be a required minimum amount of people in a clan (say 3 or 5) before you are allowed to declare war on another clan.

Glabro
03-16-2010, 23:18
This is an improvement but there needs to be an alternative ranged attack underwater to just one opt-in specialisation. Water is too common for that.

this!

Dr Fuenke
03-16-2010, 23:18
Crap change. I'd much rather want magekiller + aquashot.

McDoogs
03-16-2010, 23:27
LOL, all this means is that mages will now have AQUATIC SHOT AND JUMP SHOT.



That's what i saw immediately too, mage hybrids just got that much better :rolleyes:.

Quixstar
03-16-2010, 23:38
Mapi QUIT COMPLAINING YOU USELESS TROLL.

You are on my what-what in the butt list - hope you like it.

Please everyone just STFU about what the company can and cannot do until the year is finished and your response should be DELETED, trammel queen.

McDoogs
03-16-2010, 23:40
Mapi QUIT COMPLAINING YOU USELESS TROLL.

You are on my what-what in the butt list - hope you like it.

Please everyone just STFU about what the company can and cannot do until the year is finished and your response should be DELETED, trammel queen.

u mad bro? its just a game

Spades911
03-16-2010, 23:53
Wow.. so the mages that can jump kite with their spells, can now kite with their bow when they are fighting destroyer/mage killers. When Mage Killers will still be stuck on rocks and get mount fucked.

What the hell, just make it so that you can pick two of all above. Destroyers that are even remotely competitive are going to do crap damage with any decent gear anyways, even with mage killer and jump shot.

Your not listening to the problems your sub specs are crying about. We don't have the gear to do amazing damage with mage killer, we get kited by every mage in the game and you just made the one thing we had *mage killer* obsolete, the mages can now kite with their bow DOING MAX DAMAGE, while Destroyers/Mage Killers will be doing 28 damage instead of a measly 32 with their gear on.

Kiad
03-16-2010, 23:56
When Mage Killers will still be stuck on rocks and get mount fucked.


Why are you QQing about getting mount fucked when the specialization you pick is about killing a mage? Don't pick mage killer if you are worried about killing hybrids.