Eve online FPS mmo sibling thingy... [Archive]

Bissen

01-06-2010, 03:27 PM

Couldn't find a thread on it.

An mmo called "Dust 514" from the only Icelanders making money. Apparently it's a game taking place in the eve universe coherently with the original eve.

Sounds and looks muy muy interasante.

Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYkuZLxAWBo

Gameplay (Leaked low-res quality)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUlJbah93tM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHxYk-ZdvCQ

Edit: Screw this shit. It's console only??!?! And here I thought CCP was a somewhat sane development crew?!

rekker

01-06-2010, 03:42 PM

I really want to like this game, but I really don't enjoy console FPS games. The fluidity of gameplay footage says it all.

Narcowski

01-06-2010, 04:31 PM

I really want to like this game, but I really don't enjoy console FPS games. The fluidity of gameplay footage says it all.

This :(

Ziegler

01-06-2010, 04:57 PM

I'd like console play....if I could attach a kyb and mouse for less than the $100 adapter I found for the xbox.

Kinsari

01-06-2010, 06:13 PM

It does suck it's only consoles, but from a marketing viewpoint, it's a pretty brilliant move.

They'll make a shit ton more money from the console market and it's harder to cheat.

Narcowski

01-06-2010, 06:25 PM

I'd like console play....if I could attach a kyb and mouse for less than the $100 adapter I found for the xbox.

You can (at least, on PS3 you can). The problem is that console games are coded for joysticks, and usually take motion as a purely on|off thing. In short, it won't help you :(

Bissen

01-06-2010, 06:43 PM

It does suck it's only consoles, but from a marketing viewpoint, it's a pretty brilliant move.

They'll make a shit ton more money from the console market and it's harder to cheat.

Why would they make more money on console? It's an account based game.

Nevron

01-06-2010, 06:51 PM

I'll probably get it, but I think it should definitely have been prioritized or at least had a version developed for PC.

88Chaz88

01-06-2010, 08:20 PM

I'll probably get it, but I think it should definitely have been prioritized or at least had a version developed for PC.

They'd have to cross platform it then. I personally don't see the problem with that but lots of developers are scared of the technology. I guess it takes tonnes more work.

This also goes to explain why it's console only. As Eve Online is PC only they've already had a slice of the market there. If it was out as PC only there's the chance that only die hard Eve fans would buy it. It's a much smarter move to release for consoles as a game in it's own right.

Unfortunately.

Bissen

01-06-2010, 08:37 PM

They'd have to cross platform it then. I personally don't see the problem with that but lots of developers are scared of the technology. I guess it takes tonnes more work.

This also goes to explain why it's console only. As Eve Online is PC only they've already had a slice of the market there. If it was out as PC only there's the chance that only die hard Eve fans would buy it. It's a much smarter move to release for consoles as a game in it's own right.

Unfortunately.

I see your point. But still. There's FPS players and there's hardcore mmo grinders aka eve players.

Kinsari

01-06-2010, 10:39 PM

Why would they make more money on console? It's an account based game.

Because EVE is not Dust.

They're separate games with separate characters, just with some things that tie them together.

I imagine you're Dust character will be tied to your XBL or PSN account, but it definitely isn't related to any sort of eve account.

There won't be any monthly fees either. I remember them mentioning micro transactions of some sort as a possibility but I don't remember the details exactly. Though they did say even with MT's everything has to be earned, you can't buy your way into better stuff.

Oh, and a shit load more people play console shooters than PC ones. Bigger market.

[LoD] EE

01-06-2010, 11:42 PM

rekker

01-07-2010, 02:28 PM

Oh, and a shit load more people play console shooters than PC ones. Bigger market.

Got any source for this?

doomahx

01-07-2010, 02:34 PM

Got any source for this?

If going by quarterly sales charts, that is most definitely the case.

Not sure if you want to include pirated copies though.

*edit*

Will dig some up after work if you want

GRCPan

01-07-2010, 02:44 PM

If it's subscription based most likely it will fail. Console players are not used to pay subscriptions to play games.

Also they need to build loads of hype. Only games with loads of hype sell well when it comes to consoles.

Bissen

01-07-2010, 02:46 PM

Oh, and a shit load more people play console shooters than PC ones. Bigger market.

Lies...

Apex Vertigo

01-07-2010, 03:45 PM

I prefer console shooters over PC shooters, something about mouse/keyboard just doesn't do it for me in an FPS. RTS/MMO is where PC shines imo.

Bissen

01-07-2010, 04:22 PM

I prefer console shooters over PC shooters, something about mouse/keyboard just doesn't do it for me in an FPS. RTS/MMO is where PC shines imo.

So you prefer playing FPS with your arms cut off? That's about as crippled one feel in terms of control and maneuverability when coming from pc controls to a gamepad.

I guess you never really played FPS on pc then. Otherwise you wouldnt mention such mumbo jumbo.

Athessu

01-07-2010, 04:33 PM

So you prefer playing FPS with your arms cut off? That's about as crippled one feel in terms of control and maneuverability when coming from pc controls to a gamepad.

I guess you never really played FPS on pc then. Otherwise you wouldnt mention such mumbo jumbo.

That's a bit like saying the whole genre of FPS is like being blind because no screen can accurately convey anywhere near a normal visual range, it's like fighting through a window or with one eye closed, exxageration because you can't accept anybody else might have a different viewpoint is retarded.

For the sake of argument do you think darkfall melee combat is better or worse because of the unlimited amount of turning possible?
I like FPS games on console. It levels the playing field especially when you take in different levels of computers and connection. Which happens far less on console, as well as the much more limited ways to hack and keybind and so on, and tbh having a little less ability to turn and control makes it feel more tactical, if you know it's going to take a bit more time to skirt around obstacles or dive sideway down an alley you're more careful to not let yourself get caught there.

Bissen

01-07-2010, 04:43 PM

That's a bit like saying the whole genre of FPS is like being blind because no screen can accurately convey anywhere near a normal visual range, it's like fighting through a window or with one eye closed, exxageration because you can't accept anybody else might have a different viewpoint is retarded.

For the sake of argument do you think darkfall melee combat is better or worse because of the unlimited amount of turning possible?
I like FPS games on console. It levels the playing field especially when you take in different levels of computers and connection. Which happens far less on console, as well as the much more limited ways to hack and keybind and so on, and tbh having a little less ability to turn and control makes it feel more tactical, if you know it's going to take a bit more time to skirt around obstacles or dive sideway down an alley you're more careful to not let yourself get caught there.

Alot of bs. Lets make a cross platform game and see which FPS god would own. The only attempt tp make a cross platform game was shadowrun. And they had tp cripple the mouse simply because it OWNED a gamepad bigtime. Preference my bare white viking ass.

Kinsari

01-07-2010, 06:05 PM

Seriously guys...just some common sense.

List all of the big console only shooters.

List all the PC only shooters. Big names only of course for both.

List all shooters that came out for both.

Do you think MW2 sold more for the PC or the Xbox and PS3 combined?

Why do you think there are so few big name PC only shooters but so many console only ones, that maybe port a crappy version over later? Now I'm not saying console shooters are better, but they are certainly more popular.

The only really major PC only shooter I can even think of at the moment is counter strike. All the rest have had console versions.

Have you been to an electronics or gaming store lately? It's not a coincidence the PC games area keeps shrinking and the console ones seem to grow exponentially.

Nevron

01-07-2010, 06:30 PM

Alot of bs. Lets make a cross platform game and see which FPS god would own. The only attempt tp make a cross platform game was shadowrun. And they had tp cripple the mouse simply because it OWNED a gamepad bigtime. Preference my bare white viking ass.

It's true that mouse and keyboard are better at enhancing player capabilities. It allows for much higher adjustments on sensitivity and also allows for better precision, and quicker snaps to aiming point.

You already know that I prefer most of my shooters on console, but I'm not naive to what you just said concerning the mouse/kb versus a gamepad. The clear advantage is to the mouse and keyboard.

Bissen

01-07-2010, 07:09 PM

Have you been to an electronics or gaming store lately? It's not a coincidence the PC games area keeps shrinking and the console ones seem to grow exponentially.

LOL! Ever heard of steam, Impulse driven, D2D etc etc etc... Go ahead and pay insane amounts of money for your games AT THE STORE! lol man...

The console is (as always) light years after the pc in terms of ingenuity...

Kinsari

01-07-2010, 09:45 PM

LOL! Ever heard of steam, Impulse driven, D2D etc etc etc... Go ahead and pay insane amounts of money for your games AT THE STORE! lol man...

The console is (as always) light years after the pc in terms of ingenuity...

I generally do use steam, and lol, it's usually the same price anyway. I also have Impulse because stardock, is, well, awesome.

Again, this isn't a quality thing. In sheer numbers, the console has a much bigger market for certain types of games than the PC does. I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept for you to grasp.

I apologize for hurting your e-feelings, though I'm not sure why you're taking this as some sort of personal insult.

Also,
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2008/01/30/pc_game_sales_constitute_14_percent_of_t otal_sales/1

TL;DR
In 2008 PC game sales accounted for about 14% of all gaming sales.

Even if you double that, or hell triple it due to digital sales, it's still fewer than consoles.

[LoD] EE

01-07-2010, 10:10 PM

I prefer console shooters over PC shooters, something about mouse/keyboard just doesn't do it for me in an FPS. RTS/MMO is where PC shines imo.

lol, Gamepad for a FPS is like trying to sculpt fine art with your feet, its fucking retarded.

Bissen

01-07-2010, 10:31 PM

I generally do use steam, and lol, it's usually the same price anyway. I also have Impulse because stardock, is, well, awesome.

Please remember your own context while discussing.

Have you been to an electronics or gaming store lately? It's not a coincidence the PC games area keeps shrinking and the console ones seem to grow exponentially.

Thus pc games is mostly bought in digital form. And generally there's ALOT of good deals going on in digital distribution all the time. And anyways. PC games cost less from scratch because it's an open platform and don't have to pay dues to SONY or MS.

Again, this isn't a quality thing. In sheer numbers, the console has a much bigger market for certain types of games than the PC does. I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept for you to grasp.

I apologize for hurting your e-feelings, though I'm not sure why you're taking this as some sort of personal insult.

Also,
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2008/01/30/pc_game_sales_constitute_14_percent_of_t otal_sales/1

TL;DR
In 2008 PC game sales accounted for about 14% of all gaming sales.

Even if you double that, or hell triple it due to digital sales, it's still fewer than consoles.

Retail sales monsieur. When you find out how many sales the almost 40 million steam user alone buy in digital form let me know. Because this will never be public knowledge. When you then add impulse, D2D, EA shop etc etc. Well you get the drift I'm sure.

Ohh and steam just overhauled xbox-live in terms of most users online at the same time. And that, is just steam my good Sir.

And don't worry. My E-feelings takes a beating like a bangkok 5 dollar whore...

Nevron

01-07-2010, 10:41 PM

Ohh and steam just overhauled xbox-live in terms of most users online at the same time. And that, is just steam my good Sir.

Where'd you find this out? That's actually a good thing for the PC market if it's true.

Bissen

01-07-2010, 10:44 PM

Where'd you find this out? That's actually a good thing for the PC market if it's true.

It was on the steam forums getting hailed as the return of pc gaming the other day.

Nevron

01-07-2010, 10:47 PM

It was on the steam forums getting hailed as the return of pc gaming the other day.

Well, to be fair a large portion of PC gaming is in the form of MMOs, and Steam does offer a few MMO titles doesn't it?

I wouldn't say that it's inherently indicative of any big news as far as this thread and FPS titles are concerned. Either way it's still a good thing.

Bissen

01-07-2010, 10:58 PM

Well, to be fair a large portion of PC gaming is in the form of MMOs, and Steam does offer a few MMO titles doesn't it?

I wouldn't say that it's inherently indicative of any big news as far as this thread and FPS titles are concerned. Either way it's still a good thing.

It has obviously something to do with the holidays sales. But steam and the other digital distributers are doing a great job at keeping the pc platform alive and well. It's the best step against piracy by far.
Keep games accessible and cheap(ish) and you will lure potential pirates towards a buy.

Now if only games such as MW2 hadn't been dumbed to console standards and given a totally unfair console pricetag aswell. I'm sure we would see a totally differen outcome. But anyways. CS 1.6/source, TF2, Battlefield 2 etc etc still have A TON of players on their servers. So giving pc fps the last supper when put against consoles, is an overstatement of dimensions.

I pitty the fools that called pc gamers a dying breed. 6 years ago and counting :)

Nevron

01-07-2010, 11:02 PM

It has obviously something to do with the holidays sales. But steam and the other digital distributers are doing a great job at keeping the pc platform alive and well. It's the best step against piracy by far.
Keep games accessible and cheap(ish) and you will lure potential pirates towards a buy.

Now if only games such as MW2 hadn't been dumbed to console standards and given a totally unfair console pricetag aswell. I'm sure we would see a totally differen outcome. But anyways. CS 1.6/source, TF2, Battlefield 2 etc etc still have A TON of players on their servers. So giving pc fps the last supper when put against consoles, is an overstatement of dimensions.

We've butted heads over the console thing before, but I'm not against the success of the PC market. I'm also in agreement that games like MW2 shouldn't have had their PC versions dumbed down.

Actually on that note, the PC version of BFBC2 coming in March seems to be scaled up from the console versions. I'll definitely be getting it on console, but I might have to get it on PC as well. PC also has Battlefield 3 in development.

Athessu

01-08-2010, 01:29 AM

Alot of bs. Lets make a cross platform game and see which FPS god would own. The only attempt tp make a cross platform game was shadowrun. And they had tp cripple the mouse simply because it OWNED a gamepad bigtime. Preference my bare white viking ass.

You seem to have totally missed my point, i never said one was better than the other, i said i liked consoles games for X reasons.

Tactics are something i like to think about, if you can't rely on fancy mousework/differences in computer standards to save your ass then knowing how to use what you do have well is nice, you may not agree but i know i appreciate a level playing field sometimes.

Another big benefit to console games is the plug and play ability, if i wanted to play a PC game they often require alot of installation and tuning and such, on a xbox i can put in a disc and be playing inside of a minute. That doesn't make it better at what it does, it makes it a reason that people might like it, learn the difference.
And no it's not bullshit that the range of vision a screen gives you is similar to how life would look to you if you only had one eye.

And lastly, no i am not the kinda guy who gets kicks out of boasting the best scores and leetest skills, and therefore i do not feel limited like so many others by the constraints you want to make such a fuss over that consoles have, i don't think "oh QQ if only i was playing this on a PC then i could have turned 40 degrees further to the left in the same amount of time and landed 3 more shots and got my K : D up 1/4 of 1%".

Playing that console is fun for me and a large amount of other people who don't feel the need to min max their playing for every possible advantage.

It is quite obvious that the market leans more towards variety and popularity on consoles and long term games on PCs(not to say that there are not plenty of happy and fun gaming exceptions to the rule but ya know).

Do you see my point now?

Rossco

01-08-2010, 03:09 AM

Do you see my point now?

No. Consoles are inherently evil. They're akin to Satan. They eat living human flesh. They defile small children.

Modern console systems are, always have been, and always will be, an attempt to lure the ever-increasing audience of low-IQ morons into gaming. The longer such a decrepit tendency is in place, the less being a 'real gamer' means.

Down with anybody that plays consoles exclusively. Down with developers who suck the life blood from games with depth and diversity. Down with 98% of the human populous. Down, down, down, into a pit of radioactive bleach plasma.

Athessu

01-08-2010, 05:09 AM

No. Consoles are inherently evil. They're akin to Satan. They eat living human flesh. They defile small children.

Modern console systems are, always have been, and always will be, an attempt to lure the ever-increasing audience of low-IQ morons into gaming. The longer such a decrepit tendency is in place, the less being a 'real gamer' means.

Down with anybody that plays consoles exclusively. Down with developers who suck the life blood from games with depth and diversity. Down with 98% of the human populous. Down, down, down, into a pit of radioactive bleach plasma.

It's alot easier when you openly troll :)

sodapop

01-08-2010, 10:51 AM

judging from the videos, this game seems to be slower than darkfall. I didn't even know it's possible lol.

Bissen

01-08-2010, 02:17 PM

It's alot easier when you openly troll :)

He's dead serious.

killerspoon

01-08-2010, 04:51 PM

Got any source for this?

Loads of people play fps on consoles these days. even though its not exactly playing its more ramdom luck. at the end of the day console gamers are second class gamers.

88Chaz88

01-08-2010, 10:35 PM

Loads of people play fps on consoles these days. even though its not exactly playing its more ramdom luck. at the end of the day console gamers are second class gamers.

How long did it take you to come up with that badly thought out and frankly wrong remark? Is that the excuse you use every time you get your ass handed to you?

I really can not think of a single other reason why you'd say this, the same rules apply to the games no matter what the control scheme.

Out of all the reasons to why gaming on a PC would be better I can't believe you had to make one up.

It's morons like you that are a blight on the PC gaming community.

Bissen

01-08-2010, 11:02 PM

How long did it take you to come up with that badly thought out and frankly wrong remark? Is that the excuse you use every time you get your ass handed to you?

I really can not think of a single other reason why you'd say this, the same rules apply to the games no matter what the control scheme.

Out of all the reasons to why gaming on a PC would be better I can't believe you had to make one up.

It's morons like you that are a blight on the PC gaming community.

He's obviously referring to the lag fest that is p2p which is what consoles have to live with. Put up against the gamers FPS paradise that is dedicated servers.
There's hundreds of tube vids showing fail lag shooting in mw2. Unless ofcourse you're the host then you have actual control. But now you lost challenge to the major flaw that gives you the advantage while the rest of "the server" plays pin the tail on donkey.
Then there's the fact that console fps have to rely on assisted aim just to get a somewhat decent experience. All in all it's just dumbed down and at a total disadvantage when compared to pc's.

So stfu clueless noob.

killerspoon

01-09-2010, 03:29 PM

He's obviously referring to the lag fest that is p2p which is what consoles have to live with. Put up against the gamers FPS paradise that is dedicated servers.
There's hundreds of tube vids showing fail lag shooting in mw2. Unless ofcourse you're the host then you have actual control. But now you lost challenge to the major flaw that gives you the advantage while the rest of "the server" plays pin the tail on donkey.
Then there's the fact that console fps have to rely on assisted aim just to get a somewhat decent experience. All in all it's just dumbed down and at a total disadvantage when compared to pc's.

So stfu clueless noob.

yes i was obviously refering to this

Mordhak

01-09-2010, 03:30 PM