Modern Warfare 2 update (PC)

[Tzacharu]

Didn't see this posted, so I thought I'd make a topic as I know there are some CoD fans here.

Infinity Ward has seemingly destroyed how the PC gaming culture works with a single podcast. According to the Infinity Ward community manager, Modern Warfare 2 will now run on matchmaking servers. Mods and dedicated servers could potentially be gone from the game as well. Punkbuster will also no longer be used, and replaced with Steam's VAC system. In addition, the game will now cost 10 dollars more than previously stated.

Source: http://kotaku.com/5384057/new-modern-warfare-matchmaking-service-will-definitely-reshape-pc-community


In a webcast this morning, Robert Bowling revealed the existence of IWNet, a matchmaking service Infinity Ward will operate beginning with Modern Warfare 2. But it ends dedicated servers, and fundamentally changes the culture of the game's PC community.

Bowling, the Infinity Ward community manager, said IWNet makes multiplayer more accessible to the PC community on Modern Warfare 2, replacing the need for dedicated servers that are hosted and managed by players. But the hardcore PC crowd to whom he was talking, on BASHandSlash.com's webcast, did not take the news in a completely positive light.

"The silence you hear is because we've got a community right now structured in such a way that it relied on having dedicated servers," one of BASHandSlash's moderators told Bowling.

"You're definitely reshaping the way the community has been set up," another said later.

"Definitely," Bowling acknowledged.

Here's the score: by building up its own matchmaking service riding shotgun with Steam, "you can get in and play with players your same rank," Bowling said. However, "You're completely reliant on IWNet and there is no dedicated server or server list. You rely on IW Net for matchmaking and your games, but you still have your private matches."

The level of control over those matches allows players to set a wide array of parameters and rules for the game. But community features such as clans, and the high level of customization available in hosting a modded game or custom map on one's own dedicated server, face an uncertain future, if not their end outright.

"Custom content, after the fact, keeps the game alive for us a lot longer," one of Bowling's questioners said.

"This is the first time we've ever done something like this, obviously," Bowling said, "and I know the team has huge plans for what IWNet develops into, and this is just the beginning. It's hard for me to speak personally towward IWNet, because that is a code heavy project."

Bowling reminded that this method of multiplayer delivery also allows Infinity Ward "a lot more control and structure for the PC version. From a development standpoint, it's very good on how we can access and update the PC community."

But before this is taken as the definitive end of modding and custom maps, Bowling clearly said "I don't have those answers yet," when asked further about how IWNet would affect that aspect of PC Modern Warfare play.

The entire conversation is archived here, and Bowling comes in at the 1:39:00 mark (that's one hour, 39 minutes). If this matters to you I definitely encourage listening to all of what he has to say before reacting.

But the news is not being taken well. The BASHandSlash guys referred to the vehemence in the chatlog running concurrent with the program, and terms such as "Black Saturday" and "a day of infamy" are being thrown around. "They've made Jesus cry," is another reaction, particularly from the competitive PC community whose future also is affected. "The server community is what's made us. It's what defined us," says Josh Pickler of planetmedalofhonor.com "IW.NET is getting the PC community to turn into consoles. You're trying to re-write our history."

Bowling was steadfast in telling BASHandSlash that, for the whole of the community, IWNet will be a benefit.

"It's definitely going to be a change. It's going to be a very different setup than what we're previously used to in the Call of Duty franchise for the PC," In the long term it's going to help the community. It changes the way and how we're able to update and support the PC version."

It definitely bears watching, and keep in mind the story could change as Infinity Ward releases more information on IWNet.


I was probably going to buy MW2, but now I think I'll just stick with TF2.

[gloryhound]

Does anyone else frequently find themselves wondering how it's possible for developers to be so fucking stupid?

[Nevron]

Good. All this PC gamer bravado and elitism makes me happy when they get fucked in the mouth.

[Falokis]

If MW2 is a random grenade fest like MW1, I don't suppose I'd care.

[gloryhound]

Good. All this PC gamer bravado and elitism makes me happy when they get fucked in the mouth.

Meh, I have both, but usually when the PC gets fucked over, they fuck over the consoles worse.

[Bawlin]

LOL @ Matchmaking systems. You don't have to go far to find games where they are utter shit (L4D, Far Cry 2). What a dumb fucking move.

[gloryhound]

LOL @ Matchmaking systems. You don't have to go far to find games where they are utter shit (L4D, Far Cry 2). What a dumb fucking move.

Actually, have they ever been good?

[StaticBlack]

They should bring back split screen games.

[Bawlin]

Actually, have they ever been good?
Never said they were.

[gloryhound]

Never said they were.

I realize that, I'm just asking if they've ever been good.

[-Jotun]

sweet, just cancelled my pre-order.

infinity ward can suck my fucking nuts.

this defiately ruins the game for me.

[Shadowoak]

They should bring back split screen games.

Hot Seat FPS. Even better, play-by-mail FPS.

[Kusghuul]

Oh noes.

[Carnagel]

What a fucking terrible move

The only way I get decent pings playing cod4 in Australia is because the servers are hosted by the local ISP like Internode and Gamearena

We also have a download cap and playing on our ISP hosted servers doesn't count towards our cap

This is a totally shit move, and they can stick MW2 up their fucking ASS, I'll just keep playing cod4 on dedicated servers

[Aragoni]

Excellent. Now I can use the money I saved for MW2.

[[LoD] EE]

Does anyone else frequently find themselves wondering how it's possible for developers to be so fucking stupid?

You mean like putting cross-hairs in a game so you dont have to use iron sites to be accurate?

[kingpin]

Good. All this PC gamer bravado and elitism makes me happy when they get fucked in the mouth.

you're like a retard being happy of getting special attention.

fucking consolers...

[Drool111]

i dont see a problem.

still buying it.

[Nevron]

you're like a retard being happy of getting special attention.

fucking consolers...

Hint, I'm not replying to this post using a 360 or PS3.

[Glaive]

EE;3807851']You mean like putting cross-hairs in a game so you dont have to use iron sites to be accurate?

Just play hardcore mode, you noob. I hate playing on normal servers.

[Signus]

Good. All this PC gamer bravado and elitism makes me happy when they get fucked in the mouth.

Enjoy your crappy dumbed down games.

Call me when Modern Warfare 5 comes out next year. I hear it's going to bundle in a gas mask!

[Nevron]

Enjoy your crappy dumbed down games.

Call me when Modern Warfare 5 comes out next year. I hear it's going to bundle in a gas mask!

Oh I will!

[Dredgon]

Here is a question, when will COD diaf?
I mean the first one plus united offensive were actually fun, but the rest sucks(except MW in multi).

[Signus]

Here is a question, when will COD diaf?
I mean the first one plus united offensive were actually fun, but the rest sucks(except MW in multi).

Its fotm. FPS games are big now with the console kiddies. It was Halo, then Gears, now CoD.

[Nevron]

Its fotm. FPS games are big now with the console kiddies. It was Halo, then Gears, now CoD.

I personally prefer the BF series. But considering MW came out in 2007 and is still going strong, I'd say it's a bit more than fotm.

The whole console kiddie thing is just misplaced angst on your part just because PC development isn't going the way you want it to. Is it directly related to how well console games are selling? Sure, but ultimately there's a reason for it. Now I can't pinpoint precisely what that reason is, but take a look around - the PC gaming community doesn't exactly separate itself from the "kiddie" tag. I actually find that I run into more mature adults on XBL than in MMOs just because the casual nature of console games lends itself well to adults that have full time jobs and families.

But keep going, blame the "console kiddies" for all of your problems and the direction that PC gaming development is heading. If it makes you feel better to take that elitist stance and think you're better just because you limit yourself to PC gaming, then by all means I guess it's worth it. I don't want you to turn into a /wrister on me.

[kingpin]

The whole console kiddie thing is just misplaced angst on your part just because PC development isn't going the way you want it to.

because of retards who are too poor/too stupid to use a PC efficiently.

Is it directly related to how well console games are selling? Sure, but ultimately there's a reason for it.

yes, because poor/retarded people are way more than people who actually know what is best and can afford it.

I can't pinpoint precisely what that reason is

no surprises there...

the PC gaming community doesn't exactly separate itself from the "kiddie" tag

at least they don't think that HALO is the best fps out there :lmao: don't make me start with the rest of the shit you worship...idiots.

I actually find that I run into more mature adults on XBL than in MMOs just because the casual nature of console games lends itself well to adults that have full time jobs and families.


no comment...

But keep going, blame the "console kiddies" for all of your problems and the direction that PC gaming development is heading. If it makes you feel better to take that elitist stance and think you're better just because you limit yourself to PC gaming


of course we blame them, they're the reason that companies make games for them and give them priority, thankfully not all of them yet.

they have low standards, low expectations, they pay more, they will worship games like freaking HALO and they'll even say thank you and defend the situation. i'd love stupid consumers too if i were them.

you disgust me, but the fact that we're talking about retarded poor people here gives me some comfort.

[Sqarak]

you disgust me, but the fact that we're talking about retarded poor people here gives me some comfort.

I bet it makes you feel less alone in this world.

[Nevron]

because of retards who are too poor/too stupid to use a PC efficiently.

Most of the console owners I know also own PCs, pretty much a moot argument there. You just like thinking that anyone who doesn't do or think the way that you do is retarded, which apparently seems the opposite of truth considering how you're presenting yourself.


yes, because poor/retarded people are way more than people who actually know what is best and can afford it.

Consumers only share partial responsibility. The developers ultimately steer the direction of the market.

no surprises there...

You can't pinpoint it either, you can only make broad angry assumptions.

at least they don't think that HALO is the best fps out there :lmao: don't make me start with the rest of the shit you worship...idiots.

I don't think Halo is, nor do many people I play with. Halo is to XBL what WoW is the PC gaming. You obviously hold a double-standard when judging the entirety of a community based on one game's success.

no comment...

You may think yourself wise by bolding a portion and alluding that it speaks for itself, but the fact is that you cannot counter it.

of course we blame them, they're the reason that companies make games for them and give them priority, thankfully not all of them yet.

You cannot blame console gamers for the direction that they're taking the PC port of a game. The whole match-making server thing is not the fault of console gamers, it's the misunderstanding of the PC community on the developers part. They can easily keep it the way it was without having any impact whatsoever of the console version of the game.

they have low standards, low expectations, they pay more, they will worship games like freaking HALO and they'll even say thank you and defend the situation. i'd love stupid consumers too if i were them.

I've played some of the best FPS games on PC, and some of the best FPS games on console. In certain aspects they have dumbed shit down, but for the most part quality of the game and gaming experience remains largely unchanged. The Halo mention just takes me back to the WoW parallel I made.

you disgust me, but the fact that we're talking about retarded poor people here gives me some comfort.

I don't care if I disgust you. Your opinion of me is inconsequential, and is completely unfounded. If you can't approach a disagreement with any rationality then it's no wonder you get so rage-faced over things like this and directly blame those who aren't responsible in the grand scheme of things.

Rage more. Unleash that anger here, don't want to have a second possible /wrister to answer for.

[Falokis]

Kingpin has been pwned.

[kingpin]

I bet it makes you feel less alone in this world.

truth hurts i bet.

Most of the console owners I know also own PCs, pretty much a moot argument there. You just like thinking that anyone who doesn't do or think the way that you do is retarded, which apparently seems the opposite of truth considering how you're presenting yourself.


then they're poor as fuck, because noone with a proper PC would even consider playing with a lesser console. idiot.

waiting for the first retard that tells me how he owns an awesome pc, but also plays with consoles...fucking liars.

Consumers only share partial responsibility. The developers ultimately steer the direction of the market.


based on consumer demand. idiot.

You can't pinpoint it either, you can only make broad angry assumptions.

i already did. you're just too stupid to understand it. which of course, doesn't surprise me.

don't think Halo is, nor do many people I play with. Halo is to XBL what WoW is the PC gaming. You obviously hold a double-standard when judging the entirety of a community based on one game's success.


i don't give a shit about you or the fellow retards you play with. i know that the console community worships HALO when it's not even in the top 30 of PC FPS games. idiot.

if HALO is XBL's WoW, then you're more retards than what i originally thought. in the kingdom of the blinds, the one eyed is the king, and HALO is as blind as fuck. idiot.

You may think yourself wise by bolding a portion and alluding that it speaks for itself, but the fact is that you cannot counter it.

the fact is that it spoke for itself but you're too stupid to understand it.

You cannot blame console gamers for the direction that they're taking the PC port of a game. The whole match-making server thing is not the fault of console gamers, it's the misunderstanding of the PC community on the developers part. They can easily keep it the way it was without having any impact whatsoever of the console version of the game.


yet if console retards weren't so fucking many, companies wouldn't give a shit about them. so i can blame for existing and being retarded.

I've played some of the best FPS games on PC, and some of the best FPS games on console. In certain aspects they have dumbed shit down, but for the most part quality of the game and gaming experience remains largely unchanged. The Halo mention just takes me back to the WoW parallel I made.


everything changes when a game is made for consoles aswell, it's not just dumbed down, you can fucking tell a game is also for consoles only by playing it and with a bit of experience of early PC fps games. it's a lesser product for a lesser client.

I don't care if I disgust you. Your opinion of me is inconsequential, and is completely unfounded. If you can't approach a disagreement with any rationality then it's no wonder you get so rage-faced over things like this and directly blame those who aren't responsible in the grand scheme of things.


PC games > console games. companies dumb down games to cater to retards like you. consoles are the reason that PC gaming is getting worse. without consoles companies would concentrate to satisfy the much more demanding PC gamer community.

that makes what i say right and whatever the fuck you're trying to say wrong. you're to blame, i don't care if you're fucking poor or just stupid i don't care about your reasons, it's just you.

Rage more. Unleash that anger here, don't want to have a second possible /wrister to answer for.

it's not my fault you're a lesser gamer. admit it and you'll feel better.

if the better of this world were to /wrist everytime we hear something stupid this world would be much worse. we leave that to the mentally deficient.

Kingpin has been pwned.

but of course. you're still poor retards though :(

[Nevron]

You're so angry. Basically your entire point is that you hate life because console games are successful and you think I'm retard.

I actually do own a fairly good PC, and I own both a 360 and a PS3. Poor retards sure are poor.

Usually I can hold a pretty good debate with people, but when the opposition bases their entire argument on anger and they just multi-quote respond with a bunch of baby-fit raging it grows old pretty quick.

Keep coming at me with the insults and claims that I'm poor and a retard. In the end I'll be enjoying gaming on both my PC and my consoles. You'll still be a bitter bitch crying about the injustices of the console market taking over because developers are sick of catering to elitist tantrum throwers like yourself.

'U mad?'

[kingpin]

You're so angry. Basically your entire point is that you hate life because console games are successful and you think I'm retard.

I actually do own a fairly good PC, and I own both a 360 and a PS3. Poor retards sure are poor.

Usually I can hold a pretty good debate with people, but when the opposition bases their entire argument on anger and they just multi-quote respond with a bunch of baby-fit raging it grows old pretty quick.

Keep coming at me with the insults and claims that I'm poor and a retard. In the end I'll be enjoying gaming on both my PC and my consoles. You'll still be a bitter bitch crying about the injustices of the console market taking over because developers are sick of catering to elitist tantrum throwers like yourself.

'U mad?'

keep your "psycology" to yourself, you can't even tell which is better and you want to play the doctor. damn console retards...

so in conclusion.

PC games > console games.

PC gamers > console gamers (:lmao:)

people choose consoles because it's cheap and can't afford a decent gaming PC or upgrades.

people choose consoles because they're too retarded to use a PC efficiently.

so all in all we have console players keep buying their crap for every reason other than being the best.

companies cater to those retards because they're unfortunately the majority and give us dumbed down games, even those that were supposed, and had the potential, to be good (yes yes better than HALO, it CAN happen). it doesn't take much to satisfy a console gamer anyway (see game above).

so we have inferior products for inferior players with more profit. it's a win-win for them and a win-win for retards that don't know any better anyway.

in the end, i'll enjoy much better games in a much better platform and you'll still have your lesser games and platforms that both with their games can't reach the value of my GPUs and be thankful because you that's how low your standards are.

damn console retards...now go play HALO some more, it's like the best FPS EVAH!

[The Dark Zealot]

That's too bad, I was looking forward to the game.

I seriously hope they don't get it their way. games costing 70$ and being dumbed down console ports is not why I built my computer.

[StaticBlack]

keep your "psycology" to yourself, you can't even tell which is better and you want to play the doctor. damn console retards...

so in conclusion.

PC games > console games.

PC gamers > console gamers (:lmao:)

people choose consoles because it's cheap and can't afford a decent gaming PC or upgrades.

people choose consoles because they're too retarded to use a PC efficiently.

so all in all we have console players keep buying their crap for every reason other than being the best.

companies cater to those retards because they're unfortunately the majority and give us dumbed down games, even those that were supposed, and had the potential, to be good (yes yes better than HALO, it CAN happen). it doesn't take much to satisfy a console gamer anyway (see game above).

so we have inferior products for inferior players with more profit. it's a win-win for them and a win-win for retards that don't know any better anyway.

in the end, i'll enjoy much better games in a much better platform and you'll still have your lesser games and platforms that both with their games can't reach the value of my GPUs and be thankful because you that's how low your standards are.

damn console retards...now go play HALO some more, it's like the best FPS EVAH!

I'm drowning in all the tears!

[Laxe]

can't disagree that all games who been made on PC end up dumbed down on consoles, other way around is even worse.....

c'mon it's so dumbed down that u need to pres only 4 buttons or even less baahahha, tho i would want to see some simulator on console OH WAIT! they don't exist :lmao:

http://www.strategyinformer.com/xbox360/simulator/headquarters.html

baahahhahaha

[Tzacharu]

I know petitions don't mean shit and don't do much, but I found this one quite interesting:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw

Nearly 42,000 signatures in about a day of the news breaking. Mine was the 4,000th at about this time yesterday. That's a lot of angry customer that potentially took MW2 off their "want list".

[kingpin]

I'm drowning in all the tears!

truth=tears for the retarded. who would have thought...

keep your irrelevant and retarded comments to yourself and go play some HALO.

i mean seriously...best...fps...EVAH!

would want to see some simulator on console OH WAIT! they don't exist

give them that http://farm1.static.flickr.com/98/384177226_f2576fe570.jpg?v=0 and some time and they'll call it the best flight simulator EVAH!

i mean seriously...they made HALO a hit...just :lmao: how desperate and clueless can you get to make HALO a hit.

talking about lesser gamers...

[Nevron]

I know petitions don't mean shit and don't do much, but I found this one quite interesting:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw

Nearly 42,000 signatures in about a day of the news breaking. Mine was the 4,000th at about this time yesterday. That's a lot of angry customer that potentially took MW2 off their "want list".

42,000 out of what will likely exceed 10 million down the road, not even considering the amount of those signing that will buckle and buy it anyway.

That said, despite my arguments here and my trolling of the thread, I do not want to see them do this for the PC version of the game and hope they reconsider and leave it the way it's been for previous titles.

[Falokis]

Not likely this close to release :(

[StaticBlack]

truth=tears for the retarded. who would have thought...

keep your irrelevant and retarded comments to yourself and go play some HALO.

i mean seriously...best...fps...EVAH!

The miss use of words to spin an argument out of nothing. Hell I'll have a crack at it as well! Hmm...lets see, irrelevance=sunshine you cerebral palsy suffering individual, you!

[doomahx]

I usually don't pay much attention to online petitions but this one already has 91,000 signatures and it's only been a few days.

Oh yeah, and it dropped from #8 to #49 on amazon best sellers rofl.

[Carnagel]

I usually don't pay much attention to online petitions but this one already has 91,000 signatures and it's only been a few days.

Oh yeah, and it dropped from #8 to #49 on amazon best sellers rofl.

I just went and looked at the petition page and there is only 13k there. 13700 to be precise

Edit - hmm it was a different petition, this one -

http://www.petitiononline.com/cod6/petition.html

[Nevron]

I'm curious to see what this petition accomplishes, if anything. This one definitely has more merit than the whole L4D2 boycott petition shit that went down.

[rekker]

No clan servers? Can these people be any more out of touch with the PC gaming community?

[Rossco]

truth=tears for the retarded. who would have thought...

keep your irrelevant and retarded comments to yourself and go play some HALO.

i mean seriously...best...fps...EVAH!



give them that http://farm1.static.flickr.com/98/384177226_f2576fe570.jpg?v=0 and some time and they'll call it the best flight simulator EVAH!

i mean seriously...they made HALO a hit...just :lmao: how desperate and clueless can you get to make HALO a hit.

talking about lesser gamers...

While I agree that some of your points are correct, your a fuckbag and should not be the one arguing said points. Your lack of common sense, inability to realize your a fuckbag, failed atempts at sarcasm, and overall aura of a failed troll mean you deserve to be struck by lightning permeating from 15 sweaty fat Irish guys.

Seriously, go drown yourself in a vat of flaming stomach acid.

-----

And on the point of a game company dickflogging something over - I don't see how, that such a thing could happen, poses such a surprise to you all.

[Xinnro]

It's too bad piracy is illegal. Or I would just illegally download the game and not pay anyway.

Oh well. I can't.

[Tzacharu]

It's too bad piracy is illegal. Or I would just illegally download the game and not pay anyway.

Oh well. I can't.

That's all I see coming out of this news. More people will just pirate just to play single player, which has always been a great part of the CoD series.

People won't spend money on a product they don't feel is worth it. If they still want it, they'll steal it, especially with how easy it is to pirate things these days with a very low chance of consequences being made against you.

[Bissen]

I imagine the people over at DICE running around yelling" WE'RE GONNA BE RICH. HALLELUJA FOR THE FUCKTARDS AT IW!!!"

That said. I'll be seeding this baby all year long... x-box and pc version...

[Rachsucht]

I'm normally staunchly against software piracy but, in this case, I'd love to see 99% downloading it. What the fuck are they thinking?

[Bissen]

I'm normally staunchly against software piracy but, in this case, I'd love to see 99% downloading it. What the fuck are they thinking?


I just got my user permantly deleted on a danish gaming board for saying the EXACT same thing lol. I had only been a member there since it began in 2002.

www.boomtown.net -- May you rot in hell.

[Sqarak]

I just got my user permantly deleted on a danish gaming board for saying the EXACT same thing lol. I had only been a member there since it began in 2002.

www.boomtown.net -- May you rot in hell.

What has the world come to when even danish ban you...they are so sweet.

[Bissen]

What has the world come to when even danish ban you...they are so sweet.

I was suspended monsieur assface.

[Wickfield]

Oh well... back to counter-strike... :bang:

[nisco17]

I personally prefer the BF series. But considering MW came out in 2007 and is still going strong, I'd say it's a bit more than fotm.

The whole console kiddie thing is just misplaced angst on your part just because PC development isn't going the way you want it to. Is it directly related to how well console games are selling? Sure, but ultimately there's a reason for it. Now I can't pinpoint precisely what that reason is, but take a look around - the PC gaming community doesn't exactly separate itself from the "kiddie" tag. I actually find that I run into more mature adults on XBL than in MMOs just because the casual nature of console games lends itself well to adults that have full time jobs and families.

But keep going, blame the "console kiddies" for all of your problems and the direction that PC gaming development is heading. If it makes you feel better to take that elitist stance and think you're better just because you limit yourself to PC gaming, then by all means I guess it's worth it. I don't want you to turn into a /wrister on me.

Oh damn, Signus. That has GOTTA hurt.

Seriously though, it seems like whenever Signus spews that shit that comes out of his mouth, a more able-minded poster comes to show him how big of a shit he is. Any of these people could/should replace him.

[gloryhound]

Oh damn, Signus. That has GOTTA hurt.

Seriously though, it seems like whenever Signus spews that shit that comes out of his mouth, a more able-minded poster comes to show him how big of a shit he is. Any of these people could/should replace him.

Any of these people are unironically not playing Darkfall.

[nisco17]

Any of these people are unironically not playing Darkfall.

lol.

[Gaal]

Good. All this PC gamer bravado and elitism makes me happy when they get fucked in the mouth.

AMEN brother!