If Israel can have nukes, why can't Iran?

[Vessol]

Topic.

[RametepSeb]

Iran is influenced by terrorists and religous fanatics. With these in control the Iranian gov its unpredictable and unsafe. They would use those nukes to destroy the "Infidels" and their countries, as they have stated many times before. While Isreal is a stable gov and are taking steps just to defend themselves. This is what i think

[Paganini]

Because Iran has a higher probability of nuking USA and their allies than does Israel

[doomahx]

because they are ayrabs

[Villageninja]

Quite simple really.

Israel = Friends with US
Iran = Red Headed stepchild with a taste for oppression.

[Serenius]

For all the obvious reasons, obviously.

[Vessol]

Out of Iran and Israel. Which nation has invaded another nation in the last 50 years?

[Serenius]

Out of Iran and Israel. Which nation has invaded another nation in the last 50 years?

Out of Iran and Israel, which one has threatened the United States and taken obvious aggressive stances towards us and our allies?

I personally don't give a shit what's "fair" or not. If they are even the slightest bit unhinged they don't get nuclear weapons, at least not without dealing with other powers that have the ability to intervene.

[kingpin]

because Iran has no lobby power in the US or EU.

jews basically own the US and have huge influence, even through the states in EU.

so yeah, jews=power so they can do whatever the fuck they want.

if you mean fairness, wake up and learn the world you live in.

[Vessol]

Out of Iran and Israel, which one has threatened the United States and taken obvious aggressive stances towards us and our allies?

I personally don't give a shit what's "fair" or not. If they are even the slightest bit unhinged they don't get nuclear weapons, at least not without dealing with other powers that have the ability to intervene.

I wonder WHY Iran hates America and it's allies. I mean, it couldn't have anything to do with the CIA overthrowing their first democratically elected president and installing their own puppet, the Shah whom was completely corrupt and horribly repressed the Iranian people. And once they throw that dictator out and bring in their own dictator, the U.S pushes a nubile Iraq(which we installed the Baath government there) to attack Iran, we then fund both sides of the war to escalate it. It couldn't be because of any of that. I WONDER!

Oh and they never would have manipulated what Ahmadinejad said, he clearly said "Israel must be wiped off the map" even though such an idiom doesn't exist in Farsi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wiped_ off_the_map.22_or_.22Vanish_from_the_pag es_of_time.22_translation

What's even better is that Iran has been letting UN inspectors in their country for almost 6 months now, but the media doesn't report that.

Why doesn't Israel have to let UN inspectors to examine their nukes. Hell, they have never even officially acknowledged they have nukes.

[Nevron]

Well, the obvious reason would be that it's because Iran is general opposition to the US.

The other reason that should be obvious is that Iran has vowed to wipe Israel off the map. You don't give a gun permit to someone that has previously made threats that they want to kill someone else.

[Serenius]

I wonder WHY Iran hates America and it's allies. I mean, it couldn't have anything to do with the CIA overthrowing their first democratically elected president and installing their own puppet, the Shah whom was completely corrupt and horribly repressed the Iranian people. And once they throw that dictator out and bring in their own dictator, the U.S pushes a nubile Iraq(which we installed the Baath government there) to attack Iran, we then fund both sides of the war to escalate it. It couldn't be because of any of that. I WONDER!

Oh and they never would have manipulated what Ahmadinejad said, he clearly said "Israel must be wiped off the map" even though such an idiom doesn't exist in Farsi.

Regan could had gone over there and fucked Saddam and Mohammed Mossadegh both in the ass at the same time, at this point it is irrelevant as to why they want revenge on us. The fact is they do and we aren't going to let them.

[Bissen]

Out of Iran and Israel, which one has threatened the United States and taken obvious aggressive stances towards us and our allies?


Out of the US and Iran. Which nation has overthrown democratically elected leaders for their own elitist world police purposes?

Iran has plenty of reason to hate the states. It's just you that deliberately haven't been educated on the subject by whatever government you're submitted to.

Crap. Just read vessol's reply.

[Rachsucht]

Out of Iran and Israel. Which nation has invaded another nation in the last 50 years?

Out of Iran and Israel, which nation was attacked simultaneously by all its surrounding neighbors in the last 50 years?

Out of Iran and Israel, which nation has called for another nation to be wiped out in the last 50 years?

Out of Iran and Israel, which nations people have been persecuted to the extent of genocide for the last 2000 years?

[Serenius]

Out of the US and Iran. Which nation has overthrown democratically elected leaders for their own elitist world police purposes?

Iran has plenty of reason to hate the states. It's just you that deliberately haven't been educated on the subject by whatever government you're submitted to.

Crap. Just read vessol's reply.

No, I know exactly why they hate us, I realize they have every reason to and I have never once defended us in that matter. I simply understand why we do not allow them to have nuclear weapons.

You don't slap a guy around and fuck his wife and then give him a loaded gun.

[Vessol]

Regan could had gone over there and fucked Saddam and Mohammed Mossadegh both in the ass at the same time, at this point it is irrelevant as to why they want revenge on us. The fact is they do and we aren't going to let them.

First of all, it's Reagan, you ignorant fucktwat.

Second, Reagan sold Iraq chemical weapons to use against Iran during the Iran-Iraq war. They were our allies. We installed the Baath Party in Iraq.

Mossadegh was before Reagan, idiot. He was Iran's first democratically elected leader and he had a radical philosophy of Iranian Oil for Iranian People. Not Iranian Oil for US People, like the Shah.

And I love how you just say 'Well it happened in the past, now only the present matters". Just shows how ignorant you are. Especially considering that Iran isn't even developing nuclear weapons and they couldn't to begin with as they have too few centrifuges, but keep on believing Fox/CNN as they push as again into a war founded on lies and deceit.

[Rachsucht]

And I love how you just say 'Well it happened in the past, now only the present matters". Just shows how ignorant you are. Especially considering that Iran isn't even developing nuclear weapons and they couldn't to begin with as they have too few centrifuges, but keep on believing Fox/CNN as they push as again into a war founded on lies and deceit.

Fox News, CNN and pretty much all European Governments. But I guess you, Vessol, have slam dunk evidence that they aren't developing nor have the means to develop nuclear warheads.

Are you trying to be a contrarian or are you really that dense?

[StrawberryClock]

America should just enforce the no-nuke policy on every country, nuke russia and seize the world.

Then we'll have world peace.

[Bissen]

No, I know exactly why they hate us

Then why did you fail to mention that in your elegant reasoning argument?


You don't slap a guy around and fuck his wife and then give him a loaded gun.

You do know it's believed that the same persons that created the nuke in america, were the ones that passed the info on to the Russians?

Think it was Einstein who said "If everyone got it, No one will use it."

[Serenius]

First of all, it's Reagan, you ignorant fucktwat.

Second, Reagan sold Iraq chemical weapons to use against Iran during the Iran-Iraq war. They were our allies. We installed the Baath Party in Iraq.

Mossadegh was before Reagan, idiot. He was Iran's first democratically elected leader and he had a radical philosophy of Iranian Oil for Iranian People. Not Iranian Oil for US People, like the Shah.

And I love how you just say 'Well it happened in the past, now only the present matters". Just shows how ignorant you are. Especially considering that Iran isn't even developing nuclear weapons and they couldn't to begin with as they have too few centrifuges, but keep on believing Fox/CNN as they push as again into a war founded on lies and deceit.

For one, it was a fucking typo get the fuck over it.

You keep talking to me like I don't know the history when I obviously do. Don't try to fucking educate me on common fucking knowledge you pretentious piece of shit, it's pretty damn obvious Reagan was not involved in the overthrow of their democratically elected Prime Minister in the 50s when he was the U.S. President in the 80s, don't be a fucking moron and know a joke when you see one dipshit.

It did happen in the past, I haven't EVER said it was justified our they should get over it. I'm answering your first question you dumbfuck, which is "why does Iran not get to have Nukes when Israel does. You decided to change this conversation into "Does Iran have the right to hate the U.S." when everyone pointed out the obvious reasons for the U.S. to not want Iran to obtain nuclear technology. If you want to have an argument over that, then state it that way, but don't get pissed when I offer the obvious and accurate answer to your dumbass question and then change it to something else to fuel your Shit on U.S. quota of the day while pretending like I'M the one that doesn't know what's going on.

Then why did you fail to mention that in your elegant reasoning argument?


Because no one asked for it? That wasn't the question, I answered the question directly no one told me this was going to be a "defend America's morality" thread.

[StrawberryClock]

For one, it was a fucking typo get the fuck over it.

You keep talking to me like I don't know the history when I obviously do. Don't try to fucking educate me on common fucking knowledge you pretentious piece of shit, it's pretty damn obvious Reagan was not involved in the overthrow of their democratically elected Prime Minister in the 50s when he was the U.S. President in the 80s, don't be a fucking moron and know a joke when you see one dipshit.

It did happen in the past, I haven't EVER said it was justified our they should get over it. I'm answering your first question you dumbfuck, which is "why does Iran not get to have Nukes when Israel does. You decided to change this conversation into "Does Iran have the right to hate the U.S." when everyone pointed out the obvious reasons for the U.S. to not want Iran to obtain nuclear technology. If you want to have an argument over that, then state it that way, but don't get pissed when I offer the obvious and accurate answer to your dumbass question and then change it to something else to fuel your Shit on U.S. quota of the day while pretending like I'M the one that doesn't know what's going on.

You should probably relax.

[Vessol]

For one, it was a fucking typo get the fuck over it.

You keep talking to me like I don't know the history when I obviously do. Don't try to fucking educate me on common fucking knowledge you pretentious piece of shit, it's pretty damn obvious Reagan was not involved in the overthrow of their democratically elected Prime Minister in the 50s when he was the U.S. President in the 80s, don't be a fucking moron and know a joke when you see one dipshit.

It did happen in the past, I haven't EVER said it was justified our they should get over it. I'm answering your first question you dumbfuck, which is "why does Iran not get to have Nukes when Israel does. You decided to change this conversation into "Does Iran have the right to hate the U.S." when everyone pointed out the obvious reasons for the U.S. to not want Iran to obtain nuclear technology. If you want to have an argument over that, then state it that way, but don't get pissed when I offer the obvious and accurate answer to your dumbass question and then change it to something else to fuel your Shit on U.S. quota of the day while pretending like I'M the one that doesn't know what's going on.



Because no one asked for it? That wasn't the question, I answered the question directly no one told me this was going to be a "defend America's morality" thread.

Without going into the past, you can't examine the present.

Nice playing the "You hate the USA" card.

[88Chaz88]

Israel aren't allowed to have nukes per se, just we had hints of them having nukes and we haven't investigated enough. Israel have neither confirmed or denied having nuclear weanponry either.

[Bissen]

Fox News, CNN and pretty much all European Governments. But I guess you, Vessol, have slam dunk evidence that they aren't developing nor have the means to develop nuclear warheads.

Are you trying to be a contrarian or are you really that dense?

Are you telling me you believe your government?

wait a minute.

The US lied about gulf of tonkin incident which led to the vietnam war with 3 million asian casulties and 60.000 US troops aswell.
They lied about WMD's in Iraq Which so far have helped set the US economy on the brink of collapse (and the rest of the world thank you) and led to hundreds of thousands civilian deaths and more US troops than the civilians who initially died in the 9/11 "attacks".

That's two wars based on lies right there. And you still believe your government.

Mind if I stab you in the eye with a cooking thermometer?

[Honorius]

Because the Bible said we have to help Israel.

[Bissen]

Israel aren't allowed to have nukes per se, just we had hints of them having nukes and we haven't investigated enough. Israel have neither confirmed or denied having nuclear weanponry either.

Are you wack? Everyone and their mothers donkey know Israel have nukes.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/

Fuck what the jewbies have or have not confirmed

[Rachsucht]

Are you wack? Everyone and their mothers donkey know Israel have nukes.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/


This website proves this, without a doubt. Thank god for the internet!

OMG, it has a graph too! That should convince everyone.


It's a pretty darn safe bet to say they have nukes, but a website doesn't prove shit.

[Serenius]

You should probably relax.

Was trying to match his level of insults and take it up another knotch. Also I'm already pissed off because this gremlin looking mother fucker in the apartment below me has been threatening me and I'm about to have to whoop his midget ass.

/Vent

[Vessol]

Are you telling me your believe your government?

wait a minute.

The us lied about gulf of tonkin incident which led to the vietnam war with 3 million asian casulties and 60.000 US troops aswell.
They lied about WMD's in Iraq Which so far have helped set the US economy on the brink of collapse and led to hundreds of thousands civilian deaths and more US troops than the civilians who initially died in the 9/11 "attacks".

That's two wars based on lies right there. And you still believe your government.

Mind if I stab you in the eye with a cooking thermometer?

The First Gulf War was also based off a lie.

A nurse in Kuwait gave testimony that Iraqi soldiers came into the hospital and took babies out of incubators and threw dozens of them on the floor, killing them.

This helped to gain the popular support needed for a war against Iraq in 1991.

Turns out the nurse was the daughter of the ambassador to Kuwait, and the whole story was a lie.

Not to mention the questions surrounding Pearl Harbor and prior knowledge. As well as questions regarding the Zimmerman message Mexico's origins. As well as the Serbian Black Hand group which was responsible for assassinating Arch-Duke Ferdinand being well connected to British and French intelligence networks.

Was trying to match his level of insults and take it up another knotch. Also I'm already pissed off because this gremlin looking mother fucker in the apartment below me has been threatening me and I'm about to have to whoop his midget ass.

/Vent

oooo, etough guy.

[88Chaz88]

Are you wack? Everyone and their mothers donkey know Israel have nukes.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/

Fuck what the jewbies have or have not confirmed

Did I argue that at all?

[Bissen]

This website proves this, without a doubt. Thank god for the internet!

You know what a source is? Scroll down on that page and you will find some. And they ain't made out of thin air hombre...

But I see the federation of american scientists is just some random site created by a conspiracy theorist right? right....

[Serenius]

Without going into the past, you can't examine the present.

Nice playing the "You hate the USA" card.

You have an obvious posting trend that shows your hatred for this country which makes your opinion obviously baised. Though I have never disagreed with you that our government has done many wrongs concerning the middle east. So has the UK and France, Sykes-Picot comes to mind. But, like I said several times before, you don't get nukes as a "We're sorry" present.

[Vessol]

You have an obvious posting trend that shows your hatred for this country which makes your opinion obviously baised. Though I have never disagreed with you that our government has done many wrongs concerning the middle east. So has the UK and France, Sykes-Picot comes to mind. But, like I said several times before, you don't get nukes as a "We're sorry" present.

Yes. I hate America. I secretly dress up in all black and raise my AK-47 in the air and chant "Death to America!"

Nevermind that I was enlisting in the U.S Army PsyOps until I ran into issues with my shoulders and not being able to climb. I clearly hate America.

[Bissen]

You have an obvious posting trend that shows your hatred for this country which makes your opinion obviously baised. Though I have never disagreed with you that our government has done many wrongs concerning the middle east. So has the UK and France, Sykes-Picot comes to mind. But, like I said several times before, you don't get nukes as a "We're sorry" present.

On the contrary. He shows love for and compassion for his nation and the peoples of this world. Unlike the world police elitists corporations that rules it.

[Serenius]

Yes. I hate America. I secretly dress up in all black and raise my AK-47 in the air and chant "Death to America!"

Nevermind that I was enlisting in the U.S Army PsyOps until I ran into issues with my shoulders and not being able to climb. I clearly hate America.

Hate takes on multiple forms, maybe you hate what America has become, maybe you hate the administration that is currently in control, or the one before, or both of them equally and want another one. I don't know how you hate the country but you obviously have extreme distrust of the government which in many cases is warranted imo, in others not so much (Swine-Flu conspiracy, oooooh scary!).

I'd like to hear less bitching from you and more on why you think we should let Iran have nuclear weapons when you have already stated that they have reasons to hate us that are fairly recent and relevant. What motive does the U.S. have to allow them to obtain nuclear weapons? Out of fairness? No Empire in the history of humanity would allow a loud enemy who publicly condemns your allies existence to obtain new-age weapons of mass destruction.

[88Chaz88]

I'd like to hear less bitching from you and more on why you think we should let Iran have nuclear weapons when you have already stated that they have reasons to hate us that are fairly recent and relevant. What motive does the U.S. have to allow them to obtain nuclear weapons? Out of fairness? No Empire in the history of humanity would allow a loud enemy who publicly condemns your allies existence to obtain new-age weapons of mass destruction.

The U.S. have an empire now?

[Vessol]

What right do we have to police the world and tell who can use what?

If Israel is nuked by Iran or vice verca, it's not our problem. We should withdraw all soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan and close down every base in any foreign nation.

Also I don't believe in any "swine flu conspiracy", I'm just suspicious of a vaccine they are pushing for 300 million Americans to take when it hasn't even killed a thousand Americans yet.

[Serenius]

The U.S. have an empire now?

I'd think so, yes. We're imperialist, in the sense that we have established military basis in foreign countries where we actively hold troops. We set up puppet governments and intervene in other countries affairs.

You are 'suspicious' of the vaccine but don't believe in the 'conspiracy'? Why be suspicious if you don't think the conspiracies have any weight?

And what right do we have? We have the most powerful military in the world, that's been enough right for empires since the dawn of man.

[88Chaz88]

Also I don't believe in any "swine flu conspiracy", I'm just suspicious of a vaccine they are pushing for 300 million Americans to take when it hasn't even killed a thousand Americans yet.

I can explain that one at least. Media. The whole swine flu thing got so wrapped up in a media shitstorm that anyone with less than half a brain would think the government was trying to kill them if there wasn't a 'vaccine'.

[Bissen]

You are 'suspicious' of the vaccine but don't believe in the 'conspiracy'? Why be suspicious if you don't think the conspiracies have any weight?

Suspicious because the governments of the world have so far threatened with death and chaos and six months after the outbreak NOTHING HAS FUCKING HAPPENED.

[Vessol]

I'm suspicious because I don't see why they are pushing to vaccinate when it's not dangerous. Skeptical would be a better term.

Also the U.S is an empire and every empire dies. 200 years is the average age. What's kind of funny is that Afghanistan is the place that Empires go to die. Mongol empire, British empire, Soviet empire, now who is trying to tame it?

[Machinistlol]

Didnt iranian citizens protest against your own government because there corrupt, who do they instantly blame, the west lol! yet the trouble was caused due to your own problems.

Neda soltan and multiple other people killed and injuried, your elections are a vote for the next puppet while the supreme leader runs the shots. you have said multiple times that you hate israel.

I watched a documentery on how heroin dealers get the death sentence so they go out blazing in massive gun battles with the police, your country still has stoning lol.

The spokesman for the Iranian judiciary, Alireza Jamshidi, said: "Don’t forget. One cannot remove the punishment of stoning from the law." The case of Kobra Najjar, a 44 year old woman who was convicted of adultery, but who some say was forced into prostitution by her husband, has received international attention.Her sentence was commuted to 100 lashes early in 2009.

wow 100 lashes instead of stoning how nice of iran lol, this sounds like a modern country. ill give you a tip, get rid of your backwards religion and your ways and wake up to 2009 not 1009. your country is beyond fucked up.

P.S I COULDNT GIVE A SHIT IF YOUR FROM IRAN OR NOT I FELT LIKE FLAMING IRAN ROFL!!!!!! VERY TRUST WORTHY AND MODERN COUNTRY IDD!!!

[Serenius]

Suspicious because the governments of the world have so far threatened with death and chaos and six months after the outbreak NOTHING HAS FUCKING HAPPENED.

Fair enough, but then again I haven't had anyone come to my door and try to force a vaccine on me yet. Although now that you mention it I am sick... hope it's not swine flu.

[Lord Bulleteus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbjgDERSuiI

[Bissen]

Fair enough, but then again I haven't had anyone come to my door and try to force a vaccine on me yet. Although now that you mention it I am sick... hope it's not swine flu.

I hope it's swineflu. For your health sake.

[Serenius]

I hope it's swineflu. For your health sake.

I highly doubt I'll be getting a vaccine or even offered one tbh.

[Bissen]

I highly doubt I'll be getting a vaccine or even offered one tbh.

You know what. lets stay on topic.

[Machinistlol]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

[Bissen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!


The sad thing is that most americans are even too stupid to realize the irony of that song.

Like springsteens Born in the USA.

[Serenius]

The sad thing is that most americans are even too stupid to realize the irony of that song.

Like springsteens Born in the USA.

Hilarious when that song is played at 4th of July parties in theme with "Patriotism" lmfao.

EDIT: In defense of my fellow Americans, it's hard as hell to understand what he's saying other than "Born in the USA".

[Gloomrender]

I wonder WHY Iran hates America and it's allies. I mean, it couldn't have anything to do with the CIA overthrowing their first democratically elected president and installing their own puppet, the Shah whom was completely corrupt and horribly repressed the Iranian people. And once they throw that dictator out and bring in their own dictator, the U.S pushes a nubile Iraq(which we installed the Baath government there) to attack Iran, we then fund both sides of the war to escalate it. It couldn't be because of any of that. I WONDER!

Oh and they never would have manipulated what Ahmadinejad said, he clearly said "Israel must be wiped off the map" even though such an idiom doesn't exist in Farsi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wiped_ off_the_map.22_or_.22Vanish_from_the_pag es_of_time.22_translation

What's even better is that Iran has been letting UN inspectors in their country for almost 6 months now, but the media doesn't report that.

Why doesn't Israel have to let UN inspectors to examine their nukes. Hell, they have never even officially acknowledged they have nukes.

They hate us, they hate us. They're crazy, they're crazy.

Good reasons not to let them have nukes.

[Bissen]

They hate us, they hate us. They're crazy, they're crazy.

Good reasons not to let them have nukes.


The only reason they aren't allowed to get nukes is that it would hinder a staged war somewhere down the road.

America likes to have a scapegoat so the military industrial complex can make some cash from dead babies, from time to time.

[Lord Bulleteus]

the only reason they dont want them to have nukes is beccause one day they want to invade them

[Machinistlol]

islam holds the middle east back, religion is a load of shit, when you die, your put in a pot or the worms eat your eyeballs, you dont float up in the sky and play golf on a cloud with some carebears.

[Honorius]

islam holds the middle east back, religion is a load of shit, when you die, your put in a pot or the worms eat your eyeballs, you dont float up in the sky and play golf on a cloud with some carebears.

Proof?

[Serenius]

Proof?

We're still waiting for proof, until then he's right.

[Bissen]

islam holds the middle east back, religion is a load of shit, when you die, your put in a pot or the worms eat your eyeballs, you dont float up in the sky and play golf on a cloud with some carebears.

Estimated guess here. But I'd have to say the rate of murder between Christianity and Islam is a million to 1.

[palo god]

Out of Iran and Israel. Which nation has invaded another nation in the last 50 years?

Iran funds terrorism all over the middle east, including the Gaza strip. Also which nation are you talking about? Palestine is a region not a state, and it was the Arabs that started the 6 day war.

[Vessol]

Iran funds terrorism all over the middle east, including the Gaza strip. Also which nation are you talking about? Palestine is a region not a state, and it was the Arabs that started the 6 day war.

Lebanon? Syria? Egypt?

And we and Israel fund terrorism in Iran. Although it's not called terrorism when we do it.

[Lord Bulleteus]

Iran funds terrorism all over the middle east, including the Gaza strip. Also which nation are you talking about? Palestine is a region not a state, and it was the Arabs that started the 6 day war.

proof?

[Bissen]

Iran funds terrorism all over the middle east, including the Gaza strip. Also which nation are you talking about? Palestine is a region not a state, and it was the Arabs that started the 6 day war.


The US put more money in Israel then the rest of the world together. So my point is. What's your point?

You think they oppose Israel out of nowhere?

[jobburn]

Proof?
well there is more than enough proof how the universe was created, so magically you think and all knowing god was made also. be realistic when your dead your dead if you belive others wise you a knob head, people belive a god is supposed to be there to save lifes in dieir need but all beliving in a god which ever god that is all came from it is war so thats kind of ironic dont you think?? people think god created the world but beliving in that shit creates wars which will inevatble detroy the world hahaha

[Vessol]

well there is more than enough proof how the universe was created, so magically you think and all knowing god was made also. be realistic when your dead your dead if you belive others wise you a knob head, people belive a god is supposed to be there to save lifes in dieir need but all beliving in a god which ever god that is all came from it is war so thats kind of ironic dont you think?? people think god created the world but beliving in that shit creates wars which will inevatble detroy the world hahaha

Your simplistic simpleminded beliefs are interesting. Please continue!

[Bissen]

well there is more than enough proof how the universe was created, so magically you think and all knowing god was made also. be realistic when your dead your dead if you belive others wise you a knob head, people belive a god is supposed to be there to save lifes in dieir need but all beliving in a god which ever god that is all came from it is war so thats kind of ironic dont you think?? people think god created the world but beliving in that shit creates wars which will inevatble detroy the world hahaha


Wow. So monkeys really can type...

[palo god]

proof?

Do you know how to use Google?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=nZr&q=iran+funds+terrorism+in+gaza&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

The US put more money in Israel then the rest of the world together. So my point is. What's your point?

You think they oppose Israel out of nowhere?

My point is the funds going to Israel arent being used for terrorism(unless you want to call defending your country terrorism). They oppose Israel because its a Jewish state, that's the only reason they appose it.

[Machinistlol]

Proof?

Through the history of our race we have made up numerous gods, flying around in the sky, the romans used to insert gods into there religion from other cultures, the human being is intelligent yes, but fears death its a simple fact. Religion is a tool used to comfort us and at the same time is used against us by ourselves.

Science is a fact, religion is not. If in 1000 years (if we are still around) ill be extremely disappointed at the down right retardedness of the human race if they still believed such bullshit, but i highly doubt the majority of mankind will after how much science and technology will have progressed if we hold to the current course and dont have a disasterous event that sets us back to the stoneage.

[Bissen]

Science is a fact, religion is not.

They're both theory. However. One is slightly more probable than the other.

[palo god]

They're both theory. However. One is slightly more probable than the other.

Lets not turn this into another religious debate. No one knows if god doesn't or does exist.

[jobburn]

Wow. So monkeys really can type...

haha w/e im right god doesnt excist end of if you belive when you die you soul (btw that doesnt excist either) will fly to a cloud and you will walk threw some magically pearly gates and have a cup of tea with god then you on smack thats the only thing i can say!!!!!!!!!

[Bissen]

Lets not turn this into another religious debate. No one knows if god doesn't or does exist.

Thus my point you douche.

[Vessol]

My point is the funds going to Israel arent being used for terrorism(unless you want to call defending your country terrorism). They oppose Israel because its a Jewish state, that's the only reason they appose it.

Yes. Iran just hates Israel because they hate Jews. It's as simple as that.

You should be a foreign policy expert as well as a history teacher.

[Machinistlol]

They're both theory. However. One is slightly more probable than the other.

Theres scientific fact and scientific theory.

One is 99.9% more probable then the other.

Religion is 0.000000000000000000000000000001% probable.

[palo god]

Thus my point you douche.

I never said otherwise? Yes, lets call people that agree with you on a certain point a douche.

[88Chaz88]

haha w/e im right god doesnt excist end of if you belive when you die you soul (btw that doesnt excist either) will fly to a cloud and you will walk threw some magically pearly gates and have a cup of tea with god then you on smack thats the only thing i can say!!!!!!!!!

May I enquire about your mental age?

[Bissen]

Theres scientific fact and scientific theory.

One is 99.9% more probable then the other.

Religion is 0.000000000000000000000000000001% probable.

When I say slightly... well you know.

[Lord Bulleteus]

[QUOTE=palo god;3781195]Do you know how to use Google?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=nZr&q=iran+funds+terrorism+in+gaza&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Iran funding terrorism, says Hillary.Any more jokes?
The only one who says iran is funding terrorist are the usa and izrael and if i remember correctly didnt they sai iraq has nukes?

http://www.mpacuk.org/os/content/view/5944/102/
lets bomb them also ok?

[palo god]

Yes. Iran just hates Israel because they hate Jews. It's as simple as that.

You should be a foreign policy expert as well as a history teacher.

Yes that's the main reason why they hate Israel. Want to point me to something that suggest otherwise? And want to point me where and how Israel funds terrorism against Iran?




http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=nZr&q=iran+funds+terrorism+in+gaza&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Iran funding terrorism, says Hillary.Any more jokes?
The only one who says iran is funding terrorist are the usa and izrael and if i remember correctly didnt they sai iraq has nukes?

http://www.mpacuk.org/os/content/view/5944/102/
lets bomb them also ok?

Try not to find the dumbest link on the page, but knowing you I really wasn't expecting any signs of intelligence.

That link you posted suggests that there is genocide against the Jordanian immigrants aka the palestinians, I guess that's why their population grew 30% in the last decade. :lmao:

[Bissen]

I never said otherwise? Yes, lets call people that agree with you on a certain point a douche.

Ok mate. But that post could be interpreted both ways then.

[jobburn]

They're both theory. However. One is slightly more probable than the other.

slightly more probable its alot more then slightly more probable if god did excist non if the shit that goes on today would happen like 5 year old kids getting raped and dieing of cancer if god excist he doesnt give a shit about you and wont care when your dead so fuck you

[Bissen]

slightly more probable its alot more then slightly more probable if god did excist non if the shit that goes on today would happen like 5 year old kids getting raped and dieing of cancer if god excist he doesnt give a shit about you and wont care when your dead so fuck you

Either give up drinking or remove the monkey from the keyboard. I havent read one of your post. And I tried hard!

[88Chaz88]

slightly more probable its alot more then slightly more probable if god did excist non if the shit that goes on today would happen like 5 year old kids getting raped and dieing of cancer if god excist he doesnt give a shit about you and wont care when your dead so fuck you

Word of advice, lay off the sugar.

[Vessol]

Yes that's the main reason why they hate Israel. Want to point me to something that suggest otherwise? And want to point me where and how Israel funds terrorism against Iran?

Both the U.S and Israeli Mossad as well I suspect have been responsible for bombings in Iran in the past few years which have killed many innocents.

Also, I love the simplistic viewpoint of history. I thought you were smarter then that palo god.

[Machinistlol]

Either give up drinking or remove the monkey from the keyboard. I havent read one of your post. And I tried hard!

He could be russian for example or english could be his second language, but at the end of the day with careful reading he makes one hell of a funny point lol!

[jobburn]

Either give up drinking or remove the monkey from the keyboard. I havent read one of your post. And I tried hard!

you havnt read one of my posts even tho your calling me a monky so clearly you have red my posts and deep down you know im right end of the day i hope you get cancer or get raped by a big black man so then you can pray to god and when you get no response i will be standing above you laughing and saying i told you so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[88Chaz88]

When did these GDers start coming here?

[Lord Bulleteus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs&feature=player_embedded

yea iran funds terrorist pulling old shit over and over?

[Bissen]

He could be russian for example or english could be his second language, but at the end of the day with careful reading he makes one hell of a funny point lol!

I wouldnt know.

[palo god]

Both the U.S and Israeli Mossad as well I suspect have been responsible for bombings in Iran in the past few years which have killed many innocents.

Also, I love the simplistic viewpoint of history. I thought you were smarter then that palo god.

Want to point me to links of where the bombings were and what they were bombing? Its simmple but true. I never said it was the only reason, but it is certainly the main reason.

[Vessol]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs&feature=player_embedded

yea iran funds terrorist pulling old shit over and over?

But..but..this time I'm sure it's true! It has to be!

[Vessol]

Want to point me to links of where the bombings were and what they were bombing? Its simmple but true. I never said it was the only reason, but it is certainly the main reason.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4841
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=106650&sectionid=351020101
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/21/content_12091858.htm


Before that, back in 2007.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html

[Bissen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs&feature=player_embedded

yea iran funds terrorist pulling old shit over and over?

Joseph Goebells would have cried tears of joy.

[Lord Bulleteus]

the main question is wheres the proof that iran is building nuk weapons?

[Bissen]

the main question is wheres the proof that iran is building nuk weapons?

On some child drawing soon to be presented in the UN security council by someone in high regards with the public.

[palo god]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4841
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=106650&sectionid=351020101
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/21/content_12091858.htm


Before that, back in 2007.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html

"The weapons that the terrorists have used are US and British made. Moreover, the arrested terrorist agents have meantime, confessed that they have been trained by English-speaking people."

We have sold weapons all over the middle east, and terrorists claiming they have been trained by English speaking people proves absolutely nothing.

"I can't confirm or deny whether such a program exists or whether the president signed it, but it would be consistent with an overall American approach trying to find ways to put pressure on the regime," said Bruce Riedel, a recently retired CIA senior official who dealt with Iran and other countries in the region.

Speculations aren’t proof.

[Bissen]

"The weapons that the terrorists have used are US and British made. Moreover, the arrested terrorist agents have meantime, confessed that they have been trained by English-speaking people."

We have sold weapons all over the middle east, and terrorists claiming they have been trained by English speaking people proves absolutely nothing.

Bravo.

[palo god]

Bravo.

Your point? Doesn't mean we have sent terrorists to Iran, and where is the proof that Israel is funding them? There was no such proof in any of the articles.

[Vessol]

Your point? Doesn't mean we have sent terrorists to Iran, and where is the proof that Israel is funding them? There was no such proof in any of the articles.

Same argument, but switch the words of Iran and Israel.

[Bissen]

Your point? Doesn't mean we have sent terrorists to Iran, and where is the proof that Israel is funding them? There was no such proof in any of the articles.

But selling arms to both sides of conflicts sometimes backlash.

[palo god]

Same argument, but switch the words of Iran and Israel.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/global-terrorism-archives/funding-terrorism-hezbollahs-website-network.html

Hezbollah collects donations using its websites and by various other means. The donations are collected in Lebanon , Iran , and other countries in the world.

The donations are collected to supplement the Iranian financial assistance, which makes up most of Hezbollah's budget.

[Vessol]

http://www.rightsidenews.com/global-terrorism-archives/funding-terrorism-hezbollahs-website-network.html

Wow..that's all your got?

Hezbollah collected donations in Iran. How is Iran now the Iranian government.

Of course they would be able to collect donations in Iran from many citizens there, as they believe Israel is in the wrong.

[palo god]

Wow..that's all your got?

Hezbollah collected donations in Iran. How is Iran now the Iranian government.

Of course they would be able to collect donations in Iran from many citizens there, as they believe Israel is in the wrong.

http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.2486101/k.AD22/Iran_Breakdown_of_Financial_Backing_for_ Terrorist_Groups.htm

Its undeniable that Iran funds terrorism throughout the middle east.

Also, the last article talked about Iranian government financial assistance, not just private donations.

[Vessol]

A website called the Israeli Project which only cites U.S DoD information and American mainsteam media...rightttt

[palo god]

A website called the Israeli Project which only cites U.S DoD information and American mainsteam media...rightttt

Debunk a single think stated in it. So you can link Iranian claims backed by nothing but speculations and call it proof, but I cant link Israeli claims backed by copies of financial transactions? Hypocrite much? And everything in the mainstream media is a lie right? Even when they just provide copies of Iranian financial transactions? I've honestly been giving you too much credit this whole time. I thought you were better then that, but all the conspiracy threads plus your last comment makes me think otherwise.

[Vessol]

Debunk a single think stated in it. So you can link Iranian claims backed by nothing but speculations and call it proof, but I cant link Israeli claims backed by copies of financial transactions? Hypocrite much? And everything in the mainstream media is a lie right? Even when they just provide copies of Iranian financial transactions? I've honestly been giving you too much credit this whole time. I thought you were better then that, but all the conspiracy threads plus your last comment makes me think otherwise.

I admit it. You're right. I was just being the devil's advocate and baiting you. We should bomb Iran to kingdomcome.

[Lord Bulleteus]

and what did actualy those iran fundet terrorist did?

[palo god]

I admit it. You're right. We should bomb Iran to kingdomcome.

Straw man much?

and what did actualy those iran fundet terrorist did?

Google anyone of them and actually do some research.

[Nevron]

A website called the Israeli Project which only cites U.S DoD information and American mainsteam media...rightttt

Actually, having been deployed and monitoring things relative to this very subject, the IRGC directly funds and trains Hezbollah. In fact, some Hezbollah worked as Iranian surrogates to train and fund Iraqi Shi'a militias, most notably Jaysh al-Mahdi.

[Vessol]

Straw man much?

I'm actually being serious. I hope that we bomb Iran and wipe out all the crazy fundy leaders there.

It's the only nation in the region that is standing up to us. If we blow them up I imagine the Middle East will be a much safer place.

[Lord Bulleteus]

so when iran does something bad everyone screams theyre head off but when israel doest something bad everyone just turns the other way

[palo god]

I'm actually being serious. I hope that we bomb Iran and wipe out all the crazy fundy leaders there.

It's the only nation in the region that is standing up to us. If we blow them up I imagine the Middle East will be a much safer place.

Specifically targeting civilians even to get rid of a sick and twisted government like Iran's is just wrong, in my opinion. Also, it shouldn't be our problem, its Israels problem. We should find alternatives to oil and then just completely get out of the middle east. I don't think we should be the world police, and I don't think we need to be keeping Israel from doing the right thing to protect itself.

so when iran does something bad everyone screams theyre head off but when israel doest something bad everyone just turns the other way

Attacking terrorists that shoot rockets at you isn't doing anything wrong, if civilians decide to use themselves as human shields that's their problem.

[Sharuk]

Maybe because Akmawhateverhisface wants to bring the 12th iman and the end of the world to bear?

[Vessol]

Specifically targeting civilians even to get rid of a sick and twisted government like Iran's is just wrong, in my opinion. Also, it shouldn't be our problem, its Israels problem. We should find alternatives to oil and then just completely get out of the middle east. I don't think we should be the world police, and I don't think we need to be keeping Israel from doing the right thing to protect itself.

I wasn't saying to target civilians, but there will always be collateral damage. Oil has little to do with it. Iran is making the region unstable.

[Vessol]

Maybe because Akmawhateverhisface wants to bring the 12th iman and the end of the world to bear?

watching too much glenn beck

[palo god]

I wasn't saying to target civilians, but there will always be collateral damage. Oil has little to do with it. Iran is making the region unstable.

Well, one of the main reasons that we are over there is for oil, if the region becomes more unstable oil prices go up. That's why we need good alternatives for oil. I agree with you that Iran is causing instability in the region, but we arent in the financial position to start another war, even if you want one or not. That's why I said we should just let Israel do what it needs to do, and by that I mean bomb Iran's nuclear facilities.

[Taroth]

Yeah so you can be the one to tell 10 million dead Israelis/Americans "well at least its fair."

When WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION are the topic at hand, "fairness" doesn't apply.

[Serenius]

Yeah so you can be the one to tell 10 million dead Israelis/Americans "well at least its fair."

When WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION are the topic at hand, "fairness" doesn't apply.

More or less what I said, but the point is moot because he doesn't want to argue the question he posed, that was merely a tool to try and attack the U.S. for being unfair to the middle east.

[Vessol]

More or less what I said, but the point is moot because he doesn't want to argue the question he posed, that was merely a tool to try and attack the U.S. for being unfair to the middle east.

imma pm a mod to rename this thread "Why America sucks"

[Taroth]

America hates the middle east because they have a different culture and in our eyes aren't helping us economically.

No it wont change until the aforementioned change and no it doesn't matter that its unfair cause that's fucking life. Human nature is a bitch, but the bitch isn't going anywhere so you might as well get over it.

[Vessol]

America hates the middle east because they have a different culture and in our eyes aren't helping us economically.

No it wont change until the aforementioned change and no it doesn't matter that its unfair cause that's fucking life. Human nature is a bitch, but the bitch isn't going anywhere so you might as well get over it.

/wrists

[Serenius]

imma pm a mod to rename this thread "Why America sucks"

Much more accurate title at least.