Player Forums Information

[Mr. White]

We noticed that the forum maintenance brought some speculation about whether this is done to facilitate the active subscriber forums. This is another frequently asked question that we'd like to address today.

The player forums are coming but this is not what the maintenance is about today.

The devs had announced that the player forums would happen quite some time ago and there was an effort to make that happen. During the planning for this it was decided it was better to incorporate them into a system of changes within the account management which also include the player transfer functionality and various other changes to improve the web experience. The player forums will be sub-forums within these existing forums, some will be viewable by all, but only active subscribers can post in them.

The ETA we have for the active subscriber forums is the end of October, and there is an effort to have this ready in time for Darkfall's second free expansion around the same time.

[w0rm]

Awesome news, can't wait. Hope this time it will actually happen.

[Sinny]

Awesome news!

[Rycon]

Player forums :D Nice move.Lets hope that the expansion is done by the end of this month.

[L-C]

So we wont be getting a patch or transfers until the end of october?

[Abremalist]

I am concerned with security on the 'subscriber only forums'. Please remember that there is a considerable hacking potential in combining account info with forum access, regardless of how clever you think you are - there are those that are more clever, and they only need to get lucky once.

[Tyki Mykk]

I am concerned with security on the 'subscriber only forums'. Please remember that there is a considerable hacking potential in combining account info with forum access, regardless of how clever you think you are - there are those that are more clever, and they only need to get lucky once.

I've seen in other games that it is possible to link a forum account and a game account together. While having 2 complete seperate usernames, passwords and e-mail adresses.

However if you are comprimised while you are linking these 2 accounts then yeah you are sol.

[Leg enD]

I've seen in other games that it is possible to link a forum account and a game account together. While having 2 complete seperate usernames, passwords and e-mail adresses.

However if you are comprimised while you are linking these 2 accounts then yeah you are sol.

anyone who uses thier username the same as forum/character name deserve's to lose thier acc...

[toastoncheese]

Darkfall's second free expansion

Hope you're not hinting at paid expansions coming :P

not saying i wouldnt buy it, but i hate paying for things :ninja:

[coder1024]

awesome! I think having subscriber only forums will be a huge improvement, since you won't have all the scrubs trolling around that aren't even sub'd to the game anyway.

[Emolas]

Hope you're not hinting at paid expansions coming :P

not saying i wouldnt buy it, but i hate paying for things :ninja:

Well, if he just said "expansion" people might think it wasn't free. :)

[spool]

Hope you're not hinting at paid expansions coming :P

not saying i wouldnt buy it, but i hate paying for things :ninja:

It would be smart for Darkfall to follow Eve Online, with every expansion being pre-announced that it would in fact be free. Also telling us that we will never need to pay for another expansion ever, once its announced that there is an expansion coming that we will need to pay for in order to play, its only a sign the game is dying and the company is not getting enough money (World or War-craft, even tho they have like millions of subs, they are losing more and more every day)

Eve Online has so many subscribers because of some very cool features, like Game Time Cards and all Expansions being free. Players can legally buy with real money (30 day game time cards) and either use them for themselves or, turn into into an in-game item and sell them for ISK (gold) Legally! To players who can afford them. This is because technically the Company 'CCP' who owns Eve Online is not loosing money from this, because the buyer of the GTC is still paying his sub, and technically is also paying someone else's sub, in return for some ISK (Gold) In terms of gold farmers yes, they would be loosing money if people were buying from gold farmers because another company/illegal organization is profiting from this, not 'CCP'.

But in this scene, Eve Online was able to battle ISK sellers (Gold sellers) by implementing this. Also they are able to keep such a wide community attached to the game because it has been announced time and time again that all expansions will be free.

Darkfall, if confident (which they should be) should defiantly announce something like this, but they should wait some time also. They should wait until they see the game being up to standard, they should wait till they start advertising the game, and wait until everyone else 'outside of the community' reacts to Darkfall. After this point in time, they should then officially release such details of all expansions being free if they are confident, so that they are able to 'know its possible' to keep the game going off subs alone, and not offer the rest of us false hope that all expansions are free then hit us with an expansion that we will need to pay for.

Its something Darkfall/AV should keep in the back of their heads, and aim to do as a target. Because I defiantly believe this game has the potential to offer such services.

[ZtyX]

I'm not really interested in the subscriber only forums.. In my opinion it will shrink the community. A lot of players can't be bothered to log into the forums. We have 5 times the amount of guests on these forums compared to the members logged in.

If you want to kill forumfall you make subscriber only forums. its a very delicate process. You better think about what you are doing and be careful to do right whatever you are doing... You have a lot to lose. Forumfall is a massive, massive strength/ace for Aventurine and for Darkfall. And for the Darkfall players. .. Why change what works when it works so well?

I can say I am very concerned about this.

[Shino-PIC]

I'm not really interested in the subscriber only forums.. In my opinion it will shrink the community. A lot of players can't be bothered to log into the forums. We have 5 times the amount of guests on these forums compared to the members logged in.

If you want to kill forumfall you make subscriber only forums. its a very delicate process. You better think about what you are doing and be careful to do right whatever you are doing... You have a lot to lose. Forumfall is a massive, massive strength/ace for Aventurine and for Darkfall. And for the Darkfall players. .. Why change what works when it works so well?

I can say I am very concerned about this.

Probably this is the answer:

The player forums will be sub-forums within these existing forums, some will be viewable by all, but only active subscribers can post in them.

[Fugean]

So we wont be getting a patch or transfers until the end of october?

to be honest, it will probably be early november... im not saying its a bad thing, but shit happens and stuff will probably get delayed. there is a lot to do when implementing so much new stuff at once.

[Elmi]

Why change what works when it works so well?

GD of forumfall isn't "working well".

[boxfetish]

I'm not really interested in the subscriber only forums.. In my opinion it will shrink the community. A lot of players can't be bothered to log into the forums. We have 5 times the amount of guests on these forums compared to the members logged in.

If you want to kill forumfall you make subscriber only forums. its a very delicate process. You better think about what you are doing and be careful to do right whatever you are doing... You have a lot to lose. Forumfall is a massive, massive strength/ace for Aventurine and for Darkfall. And for the Darkfall players. .. Why change what works when it works so well?

I can say I am very concerned about this.

I agree (and for the record I play the game so I will be posting in these subscriber only forums anyway).

The only reason the AV nutcupping sycophants are crying so hard for this is that they can't stand any dissent or criticism of the game or their masters. They try to disguise this as an aversion to trolling but since just as many of the trolls are AV toadies, this isn't it.

Rather than address the criticisms of the game and AV by actually countering it, they want to banish it so they can more easily keep up their pretense.

This game still has a lot of problems and has already lost a substantial part of it's original player base. To artificially silence the criticism (constructive or otherwise) is just really bad form.

If this game had been established for years and had a steady subscriber base in the hundreds of thousands I would say, sure, why not, but...

[Kasmos]

I agree (and for the record I play the game so I will be posting in these subscriber only forums anyway).

The only reason the AV nutcupping sycophants are crying so hard for this is that they can't stand any dissent or criticism of the game or their masters. They try to disguise this as an aversion to trolling but since just as many of the trolls are AV toadies, this isn't it. Rather than address the criticisms of the game and AV with by actually countering it, they want to banish it so they can more easily keep of the pretense.

This game still has a lot of problems and has already lost a substantial part of it's original player base. To artificially silence the criticism (constructive or otherwise) is just really bad form.

If this game had been established for years and had a steady subscriber base in the hundreds of thousands I would say, sure, why not, but...

The problem isn't necessarily all of the constant trolling, it's the blatant lies people spew on here and the non-constructive criticism and "suggestions" that get thrown around. Criticism for this game is fine and needed, but not some of the blatant bullshit that is thrown around here.

Plus, I'd like to be able to make a poll where no one can say, "lawl this poll means nothing because probably most people that voted don't play lawl".

[boxfetish]

The problem isn't necessarily all of the constant trolling, it's the blatant lies people spew on here and the non-constructive criticism and "suggestions" that get thrown around. Criticism for this game is fine and needed, but not some of the blatant bullshit that is thrown around here.

Plus, I'd like to be able to make a poll where no one can say, "lawl this poll means nothing because probably most people that voted don't play lawl".

The thoughtful forumfaller can easily identify and ignore lies and non-contructive criticism. You can filter users that you don't want to read. You don't have to open threads or read posts that you don't want to. This is a failing of forum moderation if anything (although I think the trade off is fine and the moderation should be a bit lighter than it is now).

So, why do we have so many servile lickspittles crying for subscriber only forums, when what they should be asking for is stronger moderation?

See my first post for the answer: It's because their self esteem is caught up in all of this and they get super butthurt by criticism not because of insults and lies.

[coder1024]

The only reason the AV nutcupping sycophants are crying so hard for this is that they can't stand any dissent or criticism of the game or their masters. They try to disguise this as an aversion to trolling but since just as many of the trolls are AV toadies, this isn't it. Rather than address the criticisms of the game and AV with by actually countering it, they want to banish it so they can more easily keep of the pretense.
Actually, I think most welcome dissent or criticism, but the issue is having a forum where you know that dissent and criticism is coming from people actually paying for the game. With that restriction it'll make the dissent/criticism much more meaningful imo as opposed to people just trolling. Its pretty simple really and will be a nice change. Then the trolls can be relegated to the public forum(s) and the input from people actually paying for the game can be consolidated in the subscriber only forums. I think its a positive change and am looking forward to it.
So, why do we have so many servile lickspittles crying for subscriber only forums, when what they should be asking for is stronger moderation?

See my first post for the answer: It's because their self esteem is caught up in all of this and they get super butthurt by the criticisms not because of trolls and lies.
Your attitude towards people wanting subscriber only forums is amusing. If you don't want them then argue why you don't want them, your little insults don't really make any point for you. Having said that, its a moot point as subscriber forums are coming.

[boxfetish]

Actually, I think most welcome dissent or criticism, but the issue is having a forum where you know that dissent and criticism is coming from people actually paying for the game. With that restriction it'll make the dissent/criticism much more meaningful imo as opposed to people just trolling. Its pretty simple really and will be a nice change. Then the trolls can be relegated to the public forum(s) and the input from people actually paying for the game can be consolidated in the subscriber only forums. I think its a positive change and am looking forward to it.

Your attitude towards people wanting subscriber only forums is amusing. If you don't want them then argue why you don't want them, your little insults don't really make any point for you. Having said that, its a moot point as subscriber forums are coming.

Mousetrap. And, my rebuttal was already in the last lines of my first post and the first lines of my second post (which you, of course, excised from your quote and response).

Here they are again:


If this game had been established for years and had a steady subscriber base in the hundreds of thousands I would say, sure, why not, but...

and

The thoughtful forumfaller can easily identify and ignore lies and non-contructive criticism. You can filter users that you don't want to read. You don't have to open threads or read posts that you don't want to. This is a failing of forum moderation if anything (although I think the trade off is fine and the moderation should be a bit lighter than it is now).

Look. The game's subscriber base (forums or otherwise) is in decline. Maybe even under the 10,000 mark. Hence, it is stupid to banish all those who don't play anymore or don't play yet from having input.

You may not like the tone or the little insults, but you don't deny the underlying truth and you have all the tools that are necessary to ignore whatever you don't want to read.

Of course, if all they do is add a Subscriber-Only sub-forum (just like Suggestions, PvP, Crafting & Gathering, etc.) then it will be relegated to oblivion anyway. My concern is that they will make everything subscriber only.

[Kasmos]

See my first post for the answer: It's because their self esteem is caught up in all of this and they get super butthurt by criticism not because of insults and lies.

I think you are assuming a mentality of some paying subscribers to the whole community. I love when people criticize this game, that's what makes it better is when the developers look at criticism and reflect on their own game whether or not it's a valid point.

With a subscriber only sub forum (let's say for suggestions or general feedback), the developers won't have to sift through threads where 75% of the crap posted is by people not paying for the game.

Basically, a subscriber only forum will allow the paying customers to voice their opinions, concerns, and criticisms making it easier for the developers to see the playerbase's viewpoints. Again, take polls for example. How are they to know that a poll on, let's say skill caps, is not filled with a ton of non-subscribers? Wouldn't it be better if they looked at polls where the only people voting are the ones currently playing?

Better yet, what about feedback on a new feature such as the specialization system that's incoming? Wouldn't it be better to get feedback from the people actually testing it out instead of random lurkers on the forum who haven't even tried it yet giving negative criticism (or even positive feedback for that matter)?

[Fugean]

I think you are assuming a mentality of some paying subscribers to the whole community. I love when people criticize this game, that's what makes it better is when the developers look at criticism and reflect on their own game whether or not it's a valid point.

With a subscriber only sub forum (let's say for suggestions or general feedback), the developers won't have to sift through threads where 75% of the crap posted is by people not paying for the game.

Basically, a subscriber only forum will allow the paying customers to voice their opinions, concerns, and criticisms making it easier for the developers to see the playerbase's viewpoints. Again, take polls for example. How are they to know that a poll on, let's say skill caps, is not filled with a ton of non-subscribers? Wouldn't it be better if they looked at polls where the only people voting are the ones currently playing?

Better yet, what about feedback on a new feature such as the specialization system that's incoming? Wouldn't it be better to get feedback from the people actually testing it out instead of random lurkers on the forum who haven't even tried it yet giving negative criticism (or even positive feedback for that matter)?


/agree

[boxfetish]

I think you are assuming a mentality of some paying subscribers to the whole community. I love when people criticize this game, that's what makes it better is when the developers look at criticism and reflect on their own game whether or not it's a valid point.

With a subscriber only sub forum (let's say for suggestions or general feedback), the developers won't have to sift through threads where 75% of the crap posted is by people not paying for the game.

Basically, a subscriber only forum will allow the paying customers to voice their opinions, concerns, and criticisms making it easier for the developers to see the playerbase's viewpoints. Again, take polls for example. How are they to know that a poll on, let's say skill caps, is not filled with a ton of non-subscribers? Wouldn't it be better if they looked at polls where the only people voting are the ones currently playing?

Better yet, what about feedback on a new feature such as the specialization system that's incoming? Wouldn't it be better to get feedback from the people actually testing it out instead of random lurkers on the forum who haven't even tried it yet giving negative criticism (or even positive feedback for that matter)?

I disagree. When you remove non-subscribers from the forums you are throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Yes. You get rid of a lot of ridiculousness, game-hating, lies, etc., but you also remove most of the constructive criticism as well.

Those who pay to play the game are more invested, yes. But they are alos less likely to be critical or detractors of the state of the game than those who hand money over to AV. It's simply a fact. So, while you may not consciously be trying to stiffle criticism you are in fact creating an atmosphere which inherently has less constructive criticism too.

Many of those who refuse to pay for this game anymore still have valid criticisms. How does AV hear or listen to the ideas on how to "win" those players back?

I still assert that most of those who are vocal about subscriber only forums have an ulterior motive of banishing criticism of the game and for trying to bring about a situation where only those content with the current state of the game have input.



P.S. There is nothing stopping AV from putting login polls in the game to poll their paying subscribers if they think that is the only feedback they should listen too on a given issue. But, again, when you have a situation where your former and potential player pools are many times larger than your current player pool, why the hell would you do that by default?

[coder1024]

my rebuttal was already in the last lines of my first post and the first lines of my second post (which you, of course, excised from your quote and response).

Here they are again:

If this game had been established for years and had a steady subscriber base in the hundreds of thousands I would say, sure, why not, but...

and

The thoughtful forumfaller can easily identify and ignore lies and non-contructive criticism. You can filter users that you don't want to read. You don't have to open threads or read posts that you don't want to. This is a failing of forum moderation if anything (although I think the trade off is fine and the moderation should be a bit lighter than it is now).

I read them, and I disagree. I'll start with the first. You assert that in order for subscriber only forums to be a good idea the game has to be established for years and has to have a subscriber base in the hundreds of thousands. However, you give no reasoning as to why. I say having subscriber only forums is beneficial regardless of how long the game has been out or how many subscribers there are because it provides an area of discussion where everyone discussing things is also a paying subscriber. That means the people giving their opinions have an investment in the game and they're not just trolling.

Now on to your second point. Here you say that people can easily identify trolls and then ignore those posts. My response is that, sure, but with the subscriber only forums you don't need to filter or ignore them and you have a place, as I said, where all those discussing the game also have an investment in the game via their subscription. As for moderation, sure good moderation is always a good thing, but thats independent of whether or not they should add these forums. Even in the subscriber forums you'd still want some level of moderation.

I didn't ignore your comments, I just don't see them as valid reasons not to have subscriber only forums.
Look. The game's subscriber base (forums or otherwise) is in decline. Maybe even under the 10,000 mark. Hence, it is stupid to banish all those who don't play anymore or don't play yet from having input.

You may not like the tone or the little insults, but you don't deny the underlying truth and you have all the tools that are necessary to ignore whatever you don't want to read.

Of course, if all they do is add a Subscriber-Only sub-forum (just like Suggestions, PvP, Crafting & Gathering, etc.) then it will be relegated to oblivion anyway. My concern is that they will make everything subscriber only.
Now you're just repeating your argument again about # players to which I'll repeat my response that the subscriber only forums benefit regardless of # subscribers as they give the people actually playing and investing in the game somewhere to discuss it. Also you haven't given any reason as to why you need a certain # of subscribers in order for the subscriber only forums to be good. Other than to say that having them is "stupid"...

[Ivanhoe]

Sounds like it will be just how the beta forums were.
Just additional subforums that only testers could see/post in.
Sounds good to me.

[boxfetish]

I read them, and I disagree. I'll start with the first. You assert that in order for subscriber only forums to be a good idea the game has to be established for years and has to have a subscriber base in the hundreds of thousands. However, you give no reasoning as to why. I say having subscriber only forums is beneficial regardless of how long the game has been out or how many subscribers there are because it provides an area of discussion where everyone discussing things is also a paying subscriber. That means the people giving their opinions have an investment in the game and they're not just trolling.

Now on to your second point. Here you say that people can easily identify trolls and then ignore those posts. My response is that, sure, but with the subscriber only forums you don't need to filter or ignore them and you have a place, as I said, where all those discussing the game also have an investment in the game via their subscription. As for moderation, sure good moderation is always a good thing, but thats independent of whether or not they should add these forums. Even in the subscriber forums you'd still want some level of moderation.

I didn't ignore your comments, I just don't see them as valid reasons not to have subscriber only forums.

Now you're just repeating your argument again about # players to which I'll repeat my response that the subscriber only forums benefit regardless of # subscribers as they give the people actually playing and investing in the game somewhere to discuss it. Also you haven't given any reason as to why you need a certain # of subscribers in order for the subscriber only forums to be good. Other than to say that having them is "stupid"...

See my post after the ones you responded to above.

For the record, I am not arguing against a subscriber-only sub-forum. I have always just been arguing against making General Discussion subscriber-only or making the entire forums subscriber only (for posting). Not sure if that was clear.

Also, of course, any play-testing or test-server forums should be subscriber-only.

[coder1024]

For the record, I am not arguing against a subscriber-only sub-forum. I have always just been arguing against making General Discussion subscriber-only or making the entire forums subscriber only (for posting). Not sure if that was clear.
Sub-forums are exactly what was announced in the first post of the thread by Mr. White.

The player forums will be sub-forums within these existing forums, some will be viewable by all, but only active subscribers can post in them.

[Kasmos]

I disagree. When you remove non-subscribers from the forums you are throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Yes. You get rid of a lot of ridiculousness, game-hating, lies, etc., but you also remove most of the constructive criticism as well.

Those who pay to play the game are more invested, yes. But they are alos less likely to be critical or detractors of the state of the game than those who hand money over to AV. It's simply a fact. So, while you may not consciously be trying to stiffle criticism you are in fact creating an atmosphere which inherently has less constructive criticism too.

Many of those who refuse to pay for this game anymore still have valid criticisms. How does AV hear or listen to the ideas on how to "win" those players back?

And I would have to say that I disagree with your opinion. How is someone who has never tried Darkfall, never played it, and doesn't know the "feel" of the game going to give constructive criticism or feedback on a mechanic they haven't tried?

*edit* Nevermind, saw that you agreed sub-forums for paying subscribers only was ok :) That's what I was talking about (not making the entire forum subscriber only).

[Alanor Melander]

Nice!

Lets hope they leave the moderators behind as well.

[neon sheild]

Awesome! We now know when we're getting the forums, and the expansion!

[Ander]

We noticed that the forum maintenance brought some speculation about whether this is done to facilitate the active subscriber forums. This is another frequently asked question that we'd like to address today.

The player forums are coming but this is not what the maintenance is about today.

The devs had announced that the player forums would happen quite some time ago and there was an effort to make that happen. During the planning for this it was decided it was better to incorporate them into a system of changes within the account management which also include the player transfer functionality and various other changes to improve the web experience. The player forums will be sub-forums within these existing forums, some will be viewable by all, but only active subscribers can post in them.

The ETA we have for the active subscriber forums is the end of October, and there is an effort to have this ready in time for Darkfall's second free expansion around the same time.

Last week, it was said that you guys were on schedule for character transfer 3 months after NA release, which brings us to October 13th, are you announcing here today that the transfers will only occur at the end of October or even in November?

I know you said, around the 3month mark, but what you seem to be saying here is 3.5 to 4 month mark.

[Archetype90]

Transfers, expansion, and player forums all mentioned.

Bravo.

[vanyok]

Last week, it was said that you guys were on schedule for character transfer 3 months after NA release, which brings us to October 13th, are you announcing here today that the transfers will only occur at the end of October or even in November?

I know you said, around the 3month mark, but what you seem to be saying here is 3.5 to 4 month mark.

oh cmon, seriously going to complain about 1-2 extra weeks ?

[coder1024]

Last week, it was said that you guys were on schedule for character transfer 3 months after NA release, which brings us to October 13th, are you announcing here today that the transfers will only occur at the end of October or even in November?

I know you said, around the 3month mark, but what you seem to be saying here is 3.5 to 4 month mark.
end of October will be "about" 3 months... honestly, were you really expecting exactly 3 months to the day?

[kazamx]

I like the idea of having the Subscriber only forums as a sub forum of the main forum.

Does anyone think there is any chance we will get to access the forums from in game?

I really hope they tie Character name to forum poster name in the subscriber forum. Should cut down on the trolling a little. Some people wont care but many wont want their character name associated with trolling posts.

[Mr. President]

Nice! Any word on how they will be implemented? Will they be tied to a single username/account similar to WoW's Forums or will they be where you enter your information one time and "tie" a forum account to an in-game account?

[Dragoon]

Hope you're not hinting at paid expansions coming :P

not saying i wouldnt buy it, but i hate paying for things :ninja:

You need to improve your reading comprehension.

[Slaker]

Good news, thanks.

[Haeso]

GD of forumfall isn't "working well".

You realize the forums will be the same level of flaming/stupidity - just with less total posts, right?

[Dragoon]

You realize the forums will be the same level of flaming/stupidity - just with less total posts, right?

90% of the flaming and stupidity is from people without subscriptions.

Plus less total posts simply means less noise. It's a win either way.


edit: There is a guy in this thread whining about player only forums and he was also in the "Darkfall vs. Skill Cap" thread flaming and trolling for about 10 pages. If these forums were player only he would be confined to certain sections and the rest of us could have a rational discussion without having to deal with his trolling.

[Dragoon]

Darkfall, if confident (which they should be) should defiantly announce something like this, but they should wait some time also. They should wait until they see the game being up to standard, they should wait till they start advertising the game, and wait until everyone else 'outside of the community' reacts to Darkfall. After this point in time, they should then officially release such details of all expansions being free if they are confident, so that they are able to 'know its possible' to keep the game going off subs alone, and not offer the rest of us false hope that all expansions are free then hit us with an expansion that we will need to pay for.

What was this rant all about? Aventurine announced multiple times ages ago that all Darkfall expansions would be free. It's common knowledge.

[HeliosNorlund]

I am concerned with security on the 'subscriber only forums'. Please remember that there is a considerable hacking potential in combining account info with forum access, regardless of how clever you think you are - there are those that are more clever, and they only need to get lucky once.

its easy if u just give in account management page a option to link a existing forum user to ur account

this way u log in at forum with same user as allways and u dont have to use ur ingame accountdata for forum login

[Ander]

end of October will be "about" 3 months... honestly, were you really expecting exactly 3 months to the day?

Around 3 months is not 3 months and a half, I m not after a coding estimate here :) Besides, I m not complaining, I just want clarifications, and I was asking Mr. White, not the user base.

Its interesting, because subscriptions renewal on EU are around the 28th, so having transfers around October 30th would mean we need to pay two subs for November. I m not too concern about it, but I like to budget my spending and would hate too give 20$ for a sub I will not use.

[Cloud Stryphe]

Those that have inactive accounts should be allowed to post aswell.

[Umberto]

Nice.:D

[Dragoon]

oh cmon, seriously going to complain about 1-2 extra weeks ?

That's a valid complaint. Are YOU serious?

Seems like everything comes late with this company and you can never expect them to keep a date. 1-2 days, is fine but another two weeks is an aggravation. A ton of people have already canceled their accounts and wont be back until characters transfers.

[Ander]

oh cmon, seriously going to complain about 1-2 extra weeks ?
It's a question to Mr. White, not a complaint buddy.

[smaaxcre]

I accept with information: Eve Online has so many subscribers because of some very cool features, like Game Time Cards and all Expansions being free. Players can legally buy with real money (30 day game time cards) and either use them for themselves or, turn into into an in-game item and sell them for ISK (gold) Legally! To players who can afford them. This is because technically the Company 'CCP' who owns Eve Online is not loosing money from this, because the buyer of the GTC is still paying his sub, and technically is also paying someone else's sub, in return for some ISK (Gold) In terms of gold farmers yes, they would be loosing money if people were buying from gold farmers because another company/illegal organization is profiting from this, not 'CCP'.

[Wizard of Yndor]

.

The way I see it, there is another way of accomplishing the same goal here without having to split up forumfall.

Leave all as is for people who do have subscriptions.

But, simply limit the post count of non-subscribers to 1 per day (-maybe- 2 or 3 posts per day, but no more).

I would like to see this option tested first to see if it helps to reduce the bullshit posts enough. If it still didn't work, then explore the idea of splitting up forumfall.