Amatuer Reporter Exposes ACORN

[Sharuk]

Now for some reason only Fox and a handful of newspapers are covering this

Your Tax Dollars at work!

(Beck, you may not like him but one of the very few that covered it, at least he is entertaining eh?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo20Ad8r09s ( not the whole coverage he did, short version really)

(full Show)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBXIx5qXzSM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8XDRHc6Jc&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKgZznX5oBQ&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBpRRTci1d4&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EP32ITUBKM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aU8tpi22Q8&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfqt2aWHFOY&feature=channel

[blindswordsman1]

looks like ******* got caught being *******.... nothing to see here folks move along

[Villageninja]

Would anyone seriously be surprised? Honestly? Come on. This was half a year coming.

[Teth]

Transcripts, pl0x. Watching Fox News broadcasts gives me a resounding headache.

[Carnagel]

What's the big deal?

The link between prophet Obama and Acorn is fairly tenuous at best - he did a couple of volunteer speeches and represented them once in court. There are no financial ties, and he was never a member of Acorn in any capacity

I'm also a bit surprised that these people can actually show this - isn't there some form of attorney client privilege involved in these kinds of meetings? The people taking the video might actually be in a fair bit of trouble here

[Villageninja]

What's the big deal?

The link between prophet Obama and Acorn is fairly tenuous at best - he did a couple of volunteer speeches and represented them once in court. There are no financial ties, and he was never a member of Acorn in any capacity

I'm also a bit surprised that these people can actually show this - isn't there some form of attorney client privilege involved in these kinds of meetings? The people taking the video might actually be in a fair bit of trouble here

It's not like Acorn is a corrupt to the bone organization that's going to take part in the 2010 census or anything right?


....right?

[Dark Lily]

It's not like Acorn is a corrupt to the bone organization that's going to take part in the 2010 census or anything right?


....right?

You think that the government would fiddle the census returns?

[[LoD] EE]

You think that the government would fiddle the census returns?

Of course they would!

[Dark Lily]

So what would be the advantage in doing that?

[Teth]

So what would be the advantage in doing that?
They could...tax people who don't exist!

[Dark Lily]

They could...tax people who don't exist!

Wow that's a stunning idea! I can't imagine why no-one else had come up with that one.

[Villageninja]

You think that the government would fiddle the census returns?

See... here's the problem. ACORN... is not the government.

[Baralis]

So what would be the advantage in doing that?

Falsifying numbers in highy pro-democrat regions could grant more government seats to those states.

This is an example on the very extreme side but it will make my point.

Imagin if acorn were allowed to do the census and they wished to put more power into the Democratic party. They could falisify numbers to achive this. Lets say all typically red states they lower the population count by 10% and in blue state they increase population by 30%. It is then possible to swing several more democratic seats into the house and senate.

[Dark Lily]

Ooooh OK, I can see that would be bad. I was thinking along the lines of voting, but hadn't quite worked out how they'd get more votes from people that didn't exist.

[Ziegler]

What's the big deal?

The link between prophet Obama and Acorn is fairly tenuous at best - he did a couple of volunteer speeches and represented them once in court. There are no financial ties, and he was never a member of Acorn in any capacity

I'm also a bit surprised that these people can actually show this - isn't there some form of attorney client privilege involved in these kinds of meetings? The people taking the video might actually be in a fair bit of trouble here

http://libertychick.com/be-informed/posts/acorn-money-trail/

And I like how...hey they video taped me breaking the law....arrest them...that's illegal!!!

EDIT: and my wife hides the census form from me..last time I got ahold of it...I took the oppurtunity to put my imagination to work, I always wondered what it would be like to be african american with 12 mexican kids, native american wife making 1 million dollars a year and getting federal assistance...bascially...if I could lie on the form...I did.

[Silverhandorder]

It makes little sense to me. They organize for democrats and then work to undermine their laws. I understand that one can just chalk these two organizers as immoral bastards that have no ideology. I mean for me it's perfect. I think that prostitution should be legal. Someone getting help in resisting unjust laws is great.

I come to a conclusion that there are two problems that become unavoidable. First is that the organization is compromised. It has been shown many times where they do shit like this on small and big scale. Anyone that keeps doing business with them is willingly supporting those tactics. There are several things they can do to regain confidence of the honest customers. For one they can randomly investigate their organizers. Secondly they should offer a reward to anyone who can expose any of their organizers as a law breaker.

The second problem comes from the fact that recently they have been getting closer and closer to government. What will happen to all those people they help break the law once they become a liability?

[jonyak]

you're sig is silly.

[Silverhandorder]

you're sig is silly.

Truth my friend.

[Dark Lily]

you're sig is silly.

Your spelling is sillier.

[jonyak]

Your spelling is sillier.

I know knead to spell rite.

[jonyak]

Truth my friend.

it is. The socialists take the capitalists money, and then the capitalists sell the socialist culture back to the socialists.

[StainlessSteelRat]

What's the big deal?

The link between prophet Obama and Acorn is fairly tenuous at best - he did a couple of volunteer speeches and represented them once in court. There are no financial ties, and he was never a member of Acorn in any capacity

I'm also a bit surprised that these people can actually show this - isn't there some form of attorney client privilege involved in these kinds of meetings? The people taking the video might actually be in a fair bit of trouble here

Acorn's relationship to the Obama campaign is a matter of public record. Last year, Citizens Consulting Inc., the umbrella group controlling Acorn, was paid $832,000 by the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote efforts in key primary states. In filings with the Federal Election Commission, the campaign listed the payments as "staging, sound, lighting," only correcting them after reporters from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review revealed their true nature.

It is particularly important to expose ACORN's political activities because of its new relationship with the Census Bureau, the agency tasked with compiling the 2010 census. The count of the U.S. population will determine which states gain or lose votes in both the U.S. House and the Electoral College, and which districts get more federal handouts.

[Rachsucht]

Ooooh OK, I can see that would be bad. I was thinking along the lines of voting, but hadn't quite worked out how they'd get more votes from people that didn't exist.

Well, ACORN has found out how to get more votes from people that don't exist:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html

Story Highlights
Liberal activist group filed 2,000 fraudulent voter forms, Indiana officials say

They included names of the dead and Jimmy Johns, a restaurant

Elections Board in northern Indiana has stopped processing 5,000 forms

[Carnagel]

Acorn's relationship to the Obama campaign is a matter of public record. Last year, Citizens Consulting Inc., the umbrella group controlling Acorn, was paid $832,000 by the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote efforts in key primary states. In filings with the Federal Election Commission, the campaign listed the payments as "staging, sound, lighting," only correcting them after reporters from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review revealed their true nature.

It is particularly important to expose ACORN's political activities because of its new relationship with the Census Bureau, the agency tasked with compiling the 2010 census. The count of the U.S. population will determine which states gain or lose votes in both the U.S. House and the Electoral College, and which districts get more federal handouts.

Acorn / CCI / Rathke are obviously in need of a senatorial investigation for a number of issues

But there is no direct link between any of these issues and Obama himself. Trying to link them using the above reference is like saying the entire US Government is guilty because an organization they contracted to committed a crime unrelated to their contractual agreement - it's ludicrous, and has no legal standing whatsoever

It's all media spin doctoring innuendo and muck raking at it's highest pitch to try and rouse the sheeple into a seething frenzy of self righteous anger

[StainlessSteelRat]

Acorn / CCI / Rathke are obviously in need of a senatorial investigation for a number of issues

But there is no direct link between any of these issues and Obama himself. Trying to link them using the above reference is like saying the entire US Government is guilty because an organization they contracted to committed a crime unrelated to their contractual agreement - it's ludicrous, and has no legal standing whatsoever

It's all media spin doctoring innuendo and muck raking at it's highest pitch to try and rouse the sheeple into a seething frenzy of self righteous anger

the umbrella group controlling Acorn, was paid $832,000 by the Obama campaign

[doomahx]

holy fucking shit! corruption?!?! IN POLITICS?!?!?!?!

Well I never!

[StainlessSteelRat]

holy fucking shit! corruption?!?! IN POLITICS?!?!?!?!

Well I never!

Ineffective use of sarcastic shock since no one is shocked.

I am merely trying to enlighten the ostrich.

[Attau]

...then the capitalists sell the socialist culture back to the socialists.

You are so close to an "ah ha!" moment right there.

[Ziegler]

the umbrella group controlling Acorn, was paid $832,000 by the Obama campaign

aahhh...I see you are confused SSRat....see...that is the obama CAMPAIGN...it is in no way actually associated with Obama himself, or...Obama wasnt aware of this...just like he wasnt aware of Rev Wright, Bill ayers, Mrs Dorn, Van Jones...et al.



I hope I helped clear up the confusion for you.

[StainlessSteelRat]

aahhh...I see you are confused SSRat....see...that is the obama CAMPAIGN...it is in no way actually associated with Obama himself, or...Obama wasnt aware of this...just like he wasnt aware of Rev Wright, Bill ayers, Mrs Dorn, Van Jones...et al.

I hope I helped clear up the confusion for you.

Oh yes, thank you so much. I might have said something stupid were it not for your keen observation skills.

Carry on, Carnagel. I stand corrected.

[Carnagel]

Oh yes, thank you so much. I might have said something stupid were it not for your keen observation skills.

Carry on, Carnagel. I stand corrected.

You can't hold political parties responsible for the actions of third party organizations after the election campaign is over, or issues occurring completely outside the scope of the campaign itself

You can make a case that any future association with a questionable organization would not be advisable, at least until a thorough investigation is carried out

CCI were paid for services rendered, the same as hundreds of other organizations. At that point in time none of these allegations had surfaced

If guilt-by-past-association was part of the legal system, then there are currently a few thousand high profile people who invested money in the Madoff Ponzi scheme who may need to be brought to justice...

[Jangang]

So what would be the advantage in doing that?

Manipulating how many seats each state gets in the house maybe? By extension being able to manipulate how many seats each party is likely to get in the house...

Having access to the names of ever man women and child born in the country... Which when you consider they've already been shown to be big on voter fraud is a HUGE problem...

And that is just the very tip of the iceberg, I'm sure someone else can shed more light on the subject and do a better job than I could at it.

The list goes on, and on, and on...

[StainlessSteelRat]

You can't hold political parties responsible for the actions of third party organizations after the election campaign is over, or issues occurring completely outside the scope of the campaign itself

You can make a case that any future association with a questionable organization would not be advisable, at least until a thorough investigation is carried out

CCI were paid for services rendered, the same as hundreds of other organizations. At that point in time none of these allegations had surfaced

If guilt-by-past-association was part of the legal system, then there are currently a few thousand high profile people who invested money in the Madoff Ponzi scheme who may need to be brought to justice...

Please tell me you are woefully uninformed and not just dumb.

http://www.epionline.org/news_detail.cfm?rid=171

They were already suspected of fraud during the '04 campaign.

The Obama campaign is Obama, not the Dem party. And no one is accusing Obama of voter fraud but he does continue to fund Acorn which was accused and convicted on several occasions.

It's more like PETA hiring Michael Vick to run 'neuter-your-pet' drives and pretending to have 'clean hands' when dogs end up missing.

[Sharuk]

Acorn / CCI / Rathke are obviously in need of a senatorial investigation for a number of issues

But there is no direct link between any of these issues and Obama himself. Trying to link them using the above reference is like saying the entire US Government is guilty because an organization they contracted to committed a crime unrelated to their contractual agreement - it's ludicrous, and has no legal standing whatsoever

It's all media spin doctoring innuendo and muck raking at it's highest pitch to try and rouse the sheeple into a seething frenzy of self righteous anger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmn4ptXu21Y

Lets not forget Obama was a community organizer

[Sharuk]

And what do you know its not just "rouge Employee's"


(Beck again, i guess this isnt that important to the other networks)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRTlR6Q0y-4

[Sharuk]

Update: Census Bureau cuts ties with ACORN

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32806131/ns/politics-more_politics/

I love how MSNBC makes ACORN look not so bad and credits this to Republicans.... has nothing to do with Republicans

[Villageninja]

Update: Census Bureau cuts ties with ACORN

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32806131/ns/politics-more_politics/

I love how MSNBC makes ACORN look not so bad and credits this to Republicans.... has nothing to do with Republicans

Would have been a fuckin disaster if ACORN had been part of the census

[Teth]

I like all this rage about "Z0mgz other networks not covering :(" but when I checked last night, this story was on the front page of CNN.com.

[Sharuk]

I like all this rage about "Z0mgz other networks not covering :(" but when I checked last night, this story was on the front page of CNN.com.

CNN has covered it, but only a few times, and even then a day after it broke, most other news networks have covered it either one time or not at all last time i checked

[Tenebrion]

So, let's see a show of hands here. How many people in this thread disapproved of Adolf Hitler and George W Bush? I don't expect to see too many hands.

Honestly, you party-puppets are pretty pathetic. You all sat happy as clams while the country was driven into the ground over the last eight years, and now that a lefty's in office you're all up in arms over shit that isn't happening now, but that was happening then. Get real.

You want to talk about losing liberties and Big Brother? Let's talk about the Patriot Act, "Protest Zones", Haliburton, and some of the most rampant corruption America has ever seen.

Dip-shits.

[Sharuk]

So, let's see a show of hands here. How many people in this thread disapproved of Adolf Hitler and George W Bush? I don't expect to see too many hands.

Honestly, you party-puppets are pretty pathetic. You all sat happy as clams while the country was driven into the ground over the last eight years, and now that a lefty's in office you're all up in arms over shit that isn't happening now, but that was happening then. Get real.

You want to talk about losing liberties and Big Brother? Let's talk about the Patriot Act, "Protest Zones", Haliburton, and some of the most rampant corruption America has ever seen.

Dip-shits.

America wasnt awake 8 years ago, now it is


"...they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. "



Its taken the last 8 years, well 100 years really of this crap for people to finally care, and open their eyes. For decades the government has only been right when its your party, now its changing, we can only hope its not too late, because the two party system is already ingrained deep into our heads and there are still people who can not see past it, which is pretty scary, and alot of these people are newsman who control the masses, and if you talk to a kid (High School, Elementry, College whatever) alot of them are full of propaganda, schools dont teach you how to think

The next four years will determine if America stays American

[StainlessSteelRat]

So, let's see a show of hands here. How many people in this thread disapproved of Adolf Hitler and George W Bush? I don't expect to see too many hands.

Honestly, you party-puppets are pretty pathetic. You all sat happy as clams while the country was driven into the ground over the last eight years, and now that a lefty's in office you're all up in arms over shit that isn't happening now, but that was happening then. Get real.

You want to talk about losing liberties and Big Brother? Let's talk about the Patriot Act, "Protest Zones", Haliburton, and some of the most rampant corruption America has ever seen.

Dip-shits.

Where have you been the last 8 years? OT was full of all that shit.

You call people party puppets but you are the type that only sees fault on one side of the aisle. Most OTers didn't like Bush or his policies. And here's a little news flash for you: Obama hasn't changed any of them.

[Rossco]

Where have you been the last 8 years? OT was full of all that shit.

You call people party puppets but you are the type that only sees fault on one side of the aisle. Most OTers didn't like Bush or his policies. And here's a little news flash for you: Obama hasn't changed any of them.

Before DF launched, when Forumfall was still alive, the average (excluding idiots) forumfaller was far smarter, if opinionated, then the majority of the blind American masses.

[StainlessSteelRat]

Before DF launched, when Forumfall was still alive, the average (excluding idiots) forumfaller was far smarter, if opinionated, then the majority of the blind American masses.

Way to make a blanket generalization laced w/ qualifiers and disclaimers, effectively rendering your statement meaningless.

[Silverhandorder]

So, let's see a show of hands here. How many people in this thread disapproved of Adolf Hitler and George W Bush? I don't expect to see too many hands.

Bs this forum was always anti Bush.

[Brannoc]

Before DF launched, when Forumfall was still alive, the average (excluding idiots) forumfaller was far smarter, if opinionated, then the majority of the blind American masses.

Wtf forumfall was I reading then?

[Systemaddict]

I dont dislike Obama.

I just disagree with his policies.

[PirateGlen]

Yeah... just look at him... managin' the community and shit.

[SSguy]

Wtf forumfall was I reading then?

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[Teth]

General Discussion
No. Just...no.