Do any other gun supporters feel this way? [Archive]

Tenebrion

08-20-2009, 02:21 AM

Honestly, I'm a fairly big gun supporter, and I firmly believe that not only should Americans have guns, but they should have more guns.

However, doesn't anyone else believe that it's inappropriate to bring your guns solely as a political statement into close proximity with the president? Honestly, I see this as no different than trying to bring a loaded weapon into court, or into schools, for no other reason than to attract attention or intimidate.

My gun protects my life, and my liberty. It's not a fashion symbol, it's not a political statement, and it's not an item of pride. Anyone that caries a fucking assault rifle to a debate has no intention on using it, let alone using it for what it is intended, and, quite frankly, brings shame on us all.

There's a difference between your rights, and what's right.

StainlessSteelRat

08-20-2009, 02:42 AM

No. None of our rights should be abridged for any reason.

How is bringing a gun "wrong"? Morally? Ethically? Logically?.............

Honorius

08-20-2009, 02:43 AM

You fucking libertarians started this, now deal with it.

Tenebrion

08-20-2009, 03:14 AM

No. None of our rights should be abridged for any reason.

How is bringing a gun "wrong"? Morally? Ethically? Logically?.............

Even though you put the word wrong in quotes, while it was used no where in my post - the obvious answer to your question is logically. If you don't plan to use your gun, you shouldn't have it with you. Any rational gun supporter and patriot can tell you this. Take some time to actually read my post from start to finish if you want to understand why I say this.

Put simply, if I have my gun with me, it's not to intimidate, and it's not to sensationalize. It's to kill. And, quite obviously, it's non-thinkers, who cry about their "right", who don't understand why they have that right to begin with, and what that right is for.

Our founding fathers would be ashamed.

Tenebrion

08-20-2009, 03:17 AM

now deal with it.

And that's precisely what I'm doing. Thanks.

Sharuk

08-20-2009, 03:17 AM

Imo i think it was definatly in poor taste but nothing id get too upset about

Elemancer

08-20-2009, 03:27 AM

Even though you put the word wrong in quotes, while it was used no where in my post - the obvious answer to your question is logically. If you don't plan to use your gun, you shouldn't have it with you. Any rational gun supporter and patriot can tell you this. Take some time to actually read my post from start to finish if you want to understand why I say this.

Put simply, if I have my gun with me, it's not to intimidate, and it's not to sensationalize. It's to kill. And, quite obviously, it's non-thinkers, who cry about their "right", who don't understand why they have that right to begin with, and what that right is for.

Our founding fathers would be ashamed.

If we lived in a society which didn't act the way towards guns, I would 100% agree with you. However, this case, the man argued the wrong case. If I EVER bring my gun anywhere, it's to protect myself or go to the range. It's not a fashion statement, but at the same time you won't know when you may or may not have to protect yourself. Therefore, he has every right to secure his person.

Just because people flip the fuck out over the gun being there doesn't make it 'logically' wrong. Keep in mind, the president should have nothing to fear from it's citizenry that abides by the law. I would imagine MOST people who attempt anything would conceal their weapon.

I love the kicker "Carrying out in the open." I'll be honest in saying, it's the enemy I don't know that I more fear.

Elemancer

08-20-2009, 03:29 AM

Just to add a little bit:

I strongly believe we will see legislation to the effect that it will be illegal to carry an unauthorized weapon within X feet in which the president exists.

Villageninja

08-20-2009, 03:30 AM

Even though you put the word wrong in quotes, while it was used no where in my post - the obvious answer to your question is logically. If you don't plan to use your gun, you shouldn't have it with you. Any rational gun supporter and patriot can tell you this. Take some time to actually read my post from start to finish if you want to understand why I say this.

Put simply, if I have my gun with me, it's not to intimidate, and it's not to sensationalize. It's to kill. And, quite obviously, it's non-thinkers, who cry about their "right", who don't understand why they have that right to begin with, and what that right is for.

Our founding fathers would be ashamed.

I was with you all the way till you said that (bold). You never know when you will be prompted to use your weapon. Always prepare the best you can for any situation. That's my motto. And one of the ways I prepare myself generally is to holster my weapons on my person, safely and securely, should I need to use them for ANY reason. If that offends you... well, no, I'm not sorry because that's your opinion. Now, when we get into assault rifles, shotguns, sniper rifles, explosives etc... obviously I can agree with you. Otherwise, I think you're really blowing the issue out of proportion. If someone wants to shoot the president... they'll either succeed or fail but it won't be because guns were allowed into wherever the president is. It's seriously not that hard to smuggle a gun near the president. Actually shooting him with said gun may be a bit harder... depending on who spots you first (say hello to snipers) if anyone at all.

Villageninja

08-20-2009, 03:33 AM

Just to add a little bit:

I strongly believe we will see legislation to the effect that it will be illegal to carry an unauthorized weapon within X feet in which the president exists.

That would end up wonderfully.
Headline:
70 Year old woman tackled and tazed for having a pistol in her purse at a public library the president was visiting

Sources say the woman cried "Don't taze me bro! Don't taze me!"

Elemancer

08-20-2009, 03:50 AM

That would end up wonderfully.
Headline:
70 Year old woman tackled and tazed for having a pistol in her purse at a public library the president was visiting

Sources say the woman cried "Don't taze me bro! Don't taze me!"

You laugh...but if legislation isn't being drafted right now, I'd shit a nugget of gold.

HiroProtagonist

08-20-2009, 04:32 AM

However, doesn't anyone else believe that it's inappropriate to bring your guns solely as a political statement into close proximity with the president? Honestly, I see this as no different than trying to bring a loaded weapon into court, or into schools, for no other reason than to attract attention or intimidate.

My gun protects my life, and my liberty. It's not a fashion symbol, it's not a political statement, and it's not an item of pride. Anyone that caries a fucking assault rifle to a debate has no intention on using it, let alone using it for what it is intended, and, quite frankly, brings shame on us all.

There's a difference between your rights, and what's right.

I believe legally and safely exhibiting firearms in such a political context is an exceptionally effective demonstration of constitutional rights. The reason there is vehement opposition is because it is an effective reminder that the power of the government is limited solely by its citizens, not by the rules that our government changes on a whim for its benefit.

Tenebrion

08-20-2009, 04:39 AM

I was with you all the way till you said that (bold). You never know when you will be prompted to use your weapon. Always prepare the best you can for any situation.

Honestly, I completely agree with you here. But, let's face it ; the guys that bring their weapons to show off at these town hall meetings probably aren't prepared to use them, and don't anticipate a need to use them. They have them for the sole purpose of generating sensationalist attention.

Tenebrion

08-20-2009, 04:45 AM

I believe legally and safely exhibiting firearms in such a political context is an exceptionally effective demonstration of constitutional rights. The reason there is vehement opposition is because it is an effective reminder that the power of the government is limited solely by its citizens, not by the rules that our government changes on a whim for its benefit.

And to what end? Why are we reminding them of this, exactly? It's arbitrary intimidation, and nothing more, because some people can't seperate their rights from what's right, or their beliefs from the beliefs of their fellow man. While we may be in a situation that some find disagreeable, we are not in a situation that all find disagreeable ; nor are we in a situation of tyranny or opression, aside from that which we allow ourselves to suffer at the hands of corporations and bureaucracy, to say nothing of the government, both left and right, that are controlled by those facets of our society.

Where were these gun toting self righteous people when Bush shat all over our liberty and our freedoms? Where were all of these thoughtless right-wing puppets when we were forced into "protest zones", and when we were monitered and arrested for merely showing dissent, let alone publicly threatening the life of the president?

We live in a world of fools, sadly, and the bold men who had a vision for their America must be rolling in their graves right now.

Elemancer

08-20-2009, 04:52 AM

And to what end? Why are we reminding them of this, exactly? It's arbitrary intimidation, and nothing more, because some people can't seperate their rights from what's right, or their beliefs from the beliefs of their fellow man. While we may be in a situation that some find disagreeable, we are not in a situation that all find disagreeable ; nor are we in a situation of tyranny or opression, aside from that which we allow ourselves to suffer at the hands of corporations and bureaucracy.

Where were these gun toting self righteous people when Bush shat all over our liberty and our freedoms? Where were all of these thoughtless right-wing puppets when we were forced into "protest zones", and when we were monitered and arrested for merely showing dissent, let alone publicly threatening the life of the president?

We live in a world of fools, sadly, and the bold men who had a vision for their America must be rolling in their graves right now.

Hate to burst your bubble, this instance is NOT a single instance of someone carrying heat into a public place. Just because the national media doesn't cover it, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

It's just sad you base your assumptions on what you have seen on TV.

Tenebrion

08-20-2009, 04:54 AM

Hate to burst your bubble, this instance is NOT a single instance of someone carrying heat into a public place. Just because the national media doesn't cover it, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

It's just sad you base your assumptions on what you have seen on TV.

And it's honestly sad that you can't allow yourself to even consider what I've said. You are what's wrong with America, and you are why we are no longer the greatest country in the world.

Watch TV some more, and choke on to death on the kool-aid of your assumptions, which you base entirely off of your faction's poisonous manipulation.

StainlessSteelRat

08-20-2009, 04:56 AM

And to what end? Why are we reminding them of this, exactly? It's arbitrary intimidation, and nothing more, because some people can't seperate their rights from what's right, or their beliefs from the beliefs of their fellow man. While we may be in a situation that some find disagreeable, we are not in a situation that all find disagreeable ; nor are we in a situation of tyranny or opression, aside from that which we allow ourselves to suffer at the hands of corporations and bureaucracy, to say nothing of the government, both left and right, that are controlled by those facets of our society.

Where were these gun toting self righteous people when Bush shat all over our liberty and our freedoms? Where were all of these thoughtless right-wing puppets when we were forced into "protest zones", and when we were monitered and arrested for merely showing dissent, let alone publicly threatening the life of the president?

We live in a world of fools, sadly, and the bold men who had a vision for their America must be rolling in their graves right now.

People value some things more than others. Asking where they were when Bush did xyz is silly. Where are the libs that protested Bush now that Obama is shitting on the other half of the Constitution?

How was the life of the president threatened?

Elemancer

08-20-2009, 04:59 AM

And it's honestly sad that you can't allow yourself to even consider what I've said. You are what's wrong with America, and you are why we are no longer the greatest country in the world.

Watch TV some more.

I can dig out hundreds of e-mails of people outright rejecting the policies of the 'right-wingers' that you proclaim these 'gun toters' are.

You IMPLIED that these gun-toting idiots are doublespeaking bush supporters, and I greatly disagree with your implication.

If you read anything I've said, you would probably understand.

Incanam

08-20-2009, 07:31 AM

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-18-2009/the-gun-show---barrel-fever

Yeah, I just posted this in the other topic before I saw this one.

Good humor (and great satire).

Silverhandorder

08-20-2009, 07:46 AM

Obviously the Arizona gun owners did to to prove a point that the media can go and fuck them selves as far as they are concerned.

In Kostric's example none of the people in NH responded to the fact that he was packing heat. Only the MSNBC vaginas cried.

Incanam

08-20-2009, 07:40 PM

jonyak

08-20-2009, 07:50 PM

finaly a gun supporter with some sense.

DocGonzo

08-20-2009, 10:11 PM

Jezrith

08-20-2009, 11:21 PM

Put simply, if I have my gun with me, it's not to intimidate, and it's not to sensationalize. It's to kill.

So you don't take your guns out to the range?

Kusghuul

08-21-2009, 11:42 AM

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Koveras

08-21-2009, 12:30 PM

Real men carry swords to protect himself.

There is no skill in handling a gun, there is in wielding a fucking sword.

Hellsink

08-21-2009, 12:40 PM

Sayton

08-21-2009, 12:59 PM

It just seems unnecessary to me. Gotta agree with Tenebrion.

StainlessSteelRat

08-21-2009, 02:55 PM

You don't see anything wrong in bringing a assault rifle to a political rally?

Now how many of your past presidents were assasinated / escaped an attempt on their life?

What would have happened if some "left wing liberal" had brought a assault rifle to anti-Bush rally couple of years ago?

Right, he had been sent to Gitmo / some Eastern - European torture-prison.

If you start looking for reasons to abridge rights, there is no way to stop. Finding justification is easy.

I don't know what would happen to a "left wing liberal". My guess is they don't own ARs. And if they had gotten thrown in Gitmo, I'd suggest that more of them need to show up w/ guns the next time. Honestly, it's completely irrelevant.

Oh, and I think it was 4 Presidents.

Bloodthorne

08-21-2009, 04:18 PM

StainlessSteelRat

08-21-2009, 04:29 PM

americans and "their right to have firearms/guns".

In most other countries they arent allowed and those countries do just fine.

In fact, they probably do better. Because carrying a loaded gun IS a threat and it shows intention to kill (yeah yeah, you gonna be like "omfg idiot" etc, but you know im right). You don't need a weapon for self defense... if someone steals your bike, are you actually gonna shoot him? If someone breaks into your house, you actually gonna kill him for it? If you said yes, please report yourself to the nearest police station and say you have "uncontrolled intentions to kill", because man, you are messed up. Funny thing is though, that probably every gun owner thinks that... great nation you got there.

Well, our country was founded on personal liberty. We protect ourselves. Gov't can not fulfill this role; police are a reactionary force. If someone comes in my house, I will definitely shoot the fucker. If someone tries to steal my bike, they will change their mind if I have a gun. If they try to steal it using a weapon, I will shoot the fucker.

I think you are messed up if you would prefer to lay down and roll over, taking it in the ass from some low-life criminal. I think our country is pretty fucking great compared to yours. Seems like we had to bail you out of two wars. Guess having guns didn't get in our way of becoming more powerful and successful than our European colonies.

If firearms are legal and you worship your "liberty and freedom" then why the fuck does having a gun near the president get in the news? Unless he shot it, he did nothing wrong and no one can do anything against him. If they did, America is even more fucked up then i thought.

It's in the news b/c idiots like MSNBC want to flip out about it and fabricate news stories for their bleeding heart viewers.

Emolas

08-21-2009, 05:32 PM

Well, your fellow librarians/libertians/wat are the morons bringing guns.

Well, our country was founded on personal liberty. We protect ourselves. Gov't can not fulfill this role; police are a reactionary force. If someone comes in my house, I will definitely shoot the fucker. If someone tries to steal my bike, they will change their mind if I have a gun. If they try to steal it using a weapon, I will shoot the fucker.

I think you are messed up if you would prefer to lay down and roll over, taking it in the ass from some low-life criminal. I think our country is pretty fucking great compared to yours. Seems like we had to bail you out of two wars. Guess having guns didn't get in our way of becoming more powerful and successful than our European colonies.

It's in the news b/c idiots like MSNBC want to flip out about it and fabricate news stories for their bleeding heart viewers.

The thing is.. We don't have those low-lifes, as the system works. Never in my life have i witnessed more ignorance than that of the USA.

StainlessSteelRat

08-21-2009, 05:41 PM

The thing is.. We don't have those low-lifes, as the system works. Never in my life have i witnessed more ignorance than that of the USA.

Oh? Well, if Europe has no more crime, why don't you share your solution? Just how did you do it? Inquiring minds want to know.

Silverhandorder

08-21-2009, 05:56 PM

Haha Europe is a cesspit of crime compared to America. If in America you run into crime in the worst of ghettos, in Europe it can be done in the middle of Rome or Paris.

Ziegler

08-21-2009, 06:10 PM

Where were these gun toting self righteous people when Bush shat all over our liberty and our freedoms? Where were all of these thoughtless right-wing puppets when we were forced into "protest zones", and when we were monitered and arrested for merely showing dissent, let alone publicly threatening the life of the president?

Got some links for all these people?
But at least you are admitting there were alot more people openly stating they wanted to kill George Bush...but damned if I can find where they were rounded up in droves and sent to gitmo.
I do have this link for your reading pleasure though....

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

With all those examples of people threatening the president openly, surely you can come up with a buncha links of people actually being detained and jailed for threatening him.

Emolas

08-21-2009, 08:11 PM

Haha Europe is a cesspit of crime compared to America. If in America you run into crime in the worst of ghettos, in Europe it can be done in the middle of Rome or Paris.

:lmao:

Speak of the devil.. Ignorance at it's best. Wake up call. Anyone there? You might want to check crime (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita)/death (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita) & their causes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita) before blabbering on about how great you are in your 'free world (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_fre-economy-economic-freedom)'.

Let me guess.. You've never been to Europe? In fact, you don't know anything about it and probably couldn't place Rome or Paris on a map (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_rea_lit-education-reading-literacy).

Obama is doing you a great favor (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person) europanising your country. Don't worry. The guns will have to go too (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita), eventually.

Lancaster

08-21-2009, 08:17 PM

:lmao:

Speak of the devil.. Ignorance at it's best. Wake up call. Anyone there? You might want to check crime (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita)/death (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita) & their causes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita) before blabbering on about how great you are in your 'free world (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_fre-economy-economic-freedom)'.

Let me guess.. You've never been to Europe? In fact, you don't know anything about it and probably couldn't place Rome or Paris on a map (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_rea_lit-education-reading-literacy).

Obama is doing you a great favor (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person) europanising your country. Don't worry. The guns will have to go too (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita), eventually.

Do you really want to talk to an american about what happens outside the US?

Emolas

08-21-2009, 08:19 PM

Do you really want to talk to an american about what happens outside the US?

>.>

Lancaster

08-21-2009, 08:21 PM

I am not being condescending here... it's just the awful truth.

Jezrith

08-21-2009, 09:52 PM

Never in my life have i witnessed more ignorance than that of the USA.

I take it you don't read your own posts...

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

I thought that was religion.

StainlessSteelRat

08-21-2009, 10:23 PM

:lmao:

Speak of the devil.. Ignorance at it's best. Wake up call. Anyone there? You might want to check crime (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita)/

What does prison pop have to do w/ anything? We could just be more efficient in catching them.

death (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita)

What goes into those numbers? Do you know? Did you look it up?

Our 'homicide' figures include suicide and other non-murder type of deaths. There is no standard method of naming, recording, and reporting of this data. Don't stake your life on these rankings.

their causes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita) before blabbering on about how great you are in your 'free world (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_fre-economy-economic-freedom)'.

Again, nomenclature and definitions vary worldwide.

Let me guess.. You've never been to Europe? In fact, you don't know anything about it and probably couldn't place Rome or Paris on a map (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_rea_lit-education-reading-literacy).

Again, lots of Euros right there w/ the US.

Obama is doing you a great favor (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person) europanising your country.

Obama is a fucking puppet. Health spending per person is going to increase substantially w/ a public health care system.

Don't worry. The guns will have to go too (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita), eventually.

Again, nomenclature, definitions..........

You call him ignorant but yet you sit there and pretend that Europe has no crime.

StainlessSteelRat

08-21-2009, 10:37 PM

I am not being condescending here... it's just the awful truth.

Ever talk to dumbfuck Euros about what goes on in the US? I have.

Just now as a matter of fact.

Paralda

08-22-2009, 12:19 AM

Kill the other gun supporters.

Incanam

08-22-2009, 12:58 AM

If you start looking for reasons to abridge rights, there is no way to stop. Finding justification is easy.

I don't know what would happen to a "left wing liberal". My guess is they don't own ARs. And if they had gotten thrown in Gitmo, I'd suggest that more of them need to show up w/ guns the next time. Honestly, it's completely irrelevant.

Oh, and I think it was 4 Presidents.

Lincoln, McKinley, Garfield, Kennedy, Regan was shot, TR was shot when running for Pres (he took it like a man),

Actually:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assas sination_attempts_and_plots

More than 4. A lot more.

StainlessSteelRat

08-22-2009, 01:09 AM

Lincoln, McKinley, Garfield, Kennedy, Regan was shot, TR was shot when running for Pres (he took it like a man),

Actually:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assas sination_attempts_and_plots

More than 4. A lot more.

I wasn't counting plots (don't really consider them attempts). Missed Mckinley and TR who wasn't actually pres at the time.

Incanam

08-22-2009, 03:15 AM

I wasn't counting plots (don't really consider them attempts). Missed Mckinley and TR who wasn't actually pres at the time.

Yeah, but there are quite a few that were more than plots (I'd call 'em attempts).

I like the Bill Clinton one where the guy starts shooting the white house and the three unarmed guys knock him down.

StainlessSteelRat

08-22-2009, 04:28 AM

Yeah, but there are quite a few that were more than plots (I'd call 'em attempts).

I like the Bill Clinton one where the guy starts shooting the white house and the three unarmed guys knock him down.

Meh, much too weaksauce to count as an attempt on the president.

Mudgutts

08-22-2009, 11:38 AM

Honestly, I'm a fairly big gun supporter
lol I doubt it.
I firmly believe that not only should Americans have guns, but they should have more guns.
only takes one to do the job.
However, doesn't anyone else believe that it's inappropriate to bring your guns solely as a political statement into close proximity with the president?
no. there is nothing political about a 'gun'.
Honestly, I see this as no different than trying to bring a loaded weapon into court, or into schools, for no other reason than to attract attention or intimidate.
correct. 'guns' are for killing.

My gun protects my life, and my liberty. It's not a fashion symbol
naw most people like you ARM the junkies. you yank it out, they take it.

it's not a political statementHonestly, I'm a fairly big gun supporter
lol, who cares. why announce it?

Incanam

08-22-2009, 10:29 PM

lol I doubt it.

only takes one to do the job.

no. there is nothing political about a 'gun'.

correct. 'guns' are for killing.

naw most people like you ARM the junkies. you yank it out, they take it.

lol, who cares. why announce it?

They announce it because rtards on this forum will argue against them solely based on the fact that they are not fans of guns. By saying they like guns, they remove the bias of them arguing for the sake of logic. Hence, now the point they make is not about guns, but about the use of guns.

Yet, since I just explained that...I doubt it worked...

with

lol, I doubt it.

we see that logic doesn't apply to forumfall.

Jezrith

08-22-2009, 11:23 PM

only takes one to do the job.

Different guns do different jobs...

no. there is nothing political about a 'gun'.

Sure there is, especially when its being used to overthrow a government. It doesn't get more political than that.

Vanno

08-23-2009, 02:40 AM

My personal view is that it isn't a big deal and that some people (mostly liberals) have an irrational fear of guns. My political view is that perhaps bringing guns to rallies doesn't exactly promote your agenda if you are pro-guns rights. It creates a hysteria because, as I mentioned, people see guns and lose all composure. Add in that there was the Obama Messiah in attendance as well, and people freak out more.

pete the pirate

08-23-2009, 02:20 PM

I come from england,we arent allowed to carry guns.We get alot of people with knifes and stabbings,people will find a way to get guns if they want them bad enough.But if the sensible people get easy access to guns,so do the idiots.
I agree with another post,i think the guy was sending a threatening message,rather than making a political point,otherwise why didnt he state the reason.
Pfft why am i even reading this forum post.

Mudgutts

08-23-2009, 08:53 PM

Different guns do different jobs...
yes. yes they do. like a 45/410 derringer or a shotgun with an interchangeable slug barrel. dual purpose ftw.

Sure there is, especially when its being used to overthrow a government. It doesn't get more political than that.
bullshit. it's what's behind the guns that is being political, not the guns themselves. think about it a little bit.