Call to Arms sieges on independent pvp guild.

[Eticus]

*Server First*
Server up asset destruction has begun!!!:eek:
Did you really think this bad etiquette would stay on eu1?:bang:

[Marxon_VG]

Are you the victim crying or are you just an observer?

[Sorgen]

Too bad you sound like you're completely ignorant of what actually happened, which throws your opinion/statement down the toilet.

[Mulciber]

god forbid people grow balls and hammer a building now and then....

[phreakist]

Wasn't a CTA move at all, if you're talking about IDS' hamlet.

It was a single party of 420, in a purely mercenary role.

[Effeh]

Okay, supgen of IDS here. I think the truth is usually the most interesting story, so that's what I'll tell.

Basically my intention on NA-1 was to attempt to remain independent, neutral, and small. Well that lasted about 2 weeks apparently. TOG paid 420 a hefty sum to help them take the hamlet, because 420 was under the impression we would be unwilling to pay a tax.

This is untrue, as I built our quarry with the full intention of using it as a political bargaining chip. All somebody had to do was walk up and say "we want this" and I would have said "no problem."

Unfortunately, without my knowledge, one of my friends had been talking to The Devil (Supreme General of 420) for quite some time and talking all kinds of stupid bullshit, including something about us never paying tax. As you can imagine, I am pretty pissed off at 'em, but we'll laugh it off in short order I'm sure.

And no, this was not a CTA move at all. Any accusations against 420 of zerging or anything of that nature are complete BS. We only had 4 people online due to the extremely early hour (right after maintenance) of the siege, which was cowardly I suppose, but I can't blame somebody for stacking the cards in their favour. I woke up when there were 14 minutes left on the vulnerability timer, groggy and with very little time to plea for aid. I suspect the early hour of the siege was TOG's idea at any rate.

The fact is, without 420 TOG probably wouldn't have been able to siege the hamlet even if it was empty. 420 did 95% of the work, as they were paid to, I suppose.

I owe a lot to the Horsemen, who moved in just the day before the siege. They are incredibly skilled mounted combatants and wanted to live in Jeradan as they did on EU-1. They could have easily left us to 2v20, but instead stayed for a nice 4v20. Without their help we would have crumbled much quicker.

Mad respect to 420 for only bringing out one group. I really liked having you guys as neighbours, I'm sorry it had to go down this way and I know a lot of the 420 guys are too.

TOG, you are awful. That said, at the end of the day, you gained the hamlet, and the message said IDS was defeated by TOG. So you won, no bullshit there. But in truth, and I think you know it as well, it was 420's victory.

[Nocturne]

Just a hamlet bro.

In 3 months time hamlet are nothing more than local bank stops and easier leverage for large city sieges.

[Effeh]

Apparently they're paying 30 mods a week for the hamlet, I never would have paid that price anyway. No hamlet is worth that.

[Deadmans]

Alright as a member of TOG I will comment on this because there is some stuff being passed around here that isn't entirely true.

First, yes we sieged this hamlet at server up. There is nothing against that as we have a fair amount of Aussie's in our guild who play at that time as it is only 9pm for them. When you are a smaller group you have to use what advantage you have that is how battles are won by tactics my friend.

Second, 420 was a big help to us today but it was not the original intention that way. When we rolled in to start the siege they were on their way to raid your quarry and other nodes while yoiu slept. Are we paying them 30 mods a week NO. We are allowing them access to the quarry for a certain amount of stone each week yes but that didn't arise until this morning after the siege began. We could have brought in our current alliance but we decided with the aid from our friends in 420 that we would leave them on the side line for this battle.

In the end it was 420 protecting TOG members who were beating down the stone but none of them actually hit the stone. If you want to call someone cowards just for using what they had to work for them then go to another game man. Darkfall is all about how can you work things in your favor. It is the same in real battle use the terrain, allies, locals, or whatever you can get your hands on to work for you. This is not being awful it is playing smart.

Anyway thank you to everyone who helped this was a success in the end for TOG. IDS sorry man not everything is going to work how you want it to. In the end it is just a hamlet and at some point down the road won't be worth much to most people and life will move on.

[Makestro]

Alright as a member of TOG I will comment on this because there is some stuff being passed around here that isn't entirely true.

First, yes we sieged this hamlet at server up. There is nothing against that as we have a fair amount of Aussie's in our guild who play at that time as it is only 9pm for them. When you are a smaller group you have to use what advantage you have that is how battles are won by tactics my friend.

Second, 420 was a big help to us today but it was not the original intention that way. When we rolled in to start the siege they were on their way to raid your quarry and other nodes while yoiu slept. Are we paying them 30 mods a week NO. We are allowing them access to the quarry for a certain amount of stone each week yes but that didn't arise until this morning after the siege began. We could have brought in our current alliance but we decided with the aid from our friends in 420 that we would leave them on the side line for this battle.

In the end it was 420 protecting TOG members who were beating down the stone but none of them actually hit the stone. If you want to call someone cowards just for using what they had to work for them then go to another game man. Darkfall is all about how can you work things in your favor. It is the same in real battle use the terrain, allies, locals, or whatever you can get your hands on to work for you. This is not being awful it is playing smart.

Anyway thank you to everyone who helped this was a success in the end for TOG. IDS sorry man not everything is going to work how you want it to. In the end it is just a hamlet and at some point down the road won't be worth much to most people and life will move on.

"they where just protecting us! They didn't help at all!"

[Saesto]

*Server First*
Server up asset destruction has begun!!!:eek:
Did you really think this bad etiquette would stay on eu1?:bang:

yawn...

[Azerno]

pfff Jeradan falling in the first 2 weeks? If you want that hamlet you gotta be prepared to protect it 24/7. such a badass hamlet with so many fun times defending it at the start of eu1

[Deadmans]

Makestro I believe you have the worng impression from my post 420 did help us and it was a huge help I am denying that all.

[Effeh]

420 did help us and it was a huge help I am denying that all.

That about sums it up.

[Rumnacola]

I’m not sure why you feel the need to voice your indignation in that way. Sure, you’re pissed at losing your hamlet but in the scheme of things it was a beautiful display of why we play this game in the first place.
This endeavour was by no means a simple smash and grab zerg with superior firepower but a good example how all facets of the game including diplomacy and subterfuge come into play to achieve a result.
The alliance with 420 was by no means premeditated but was more or less borne out of a chance meeting and fleshed out on the run and just proves both clans are run by competent people.
In the end we managed to secure the Hamlet with literally only seconds to spare and our last hammers at breaking point.
There is no doubt that the skill of the 420 group saved our asses but that’s also testament to a very dogged defence.
Here’s a vid link in any case, for those interested.
TOG Siege (http://rumancola.com/TOG/TOGSiege001.mp4)
Captain Stella Artois, TOG

[Effeh]

Is there any particular reason you chose to cut out all the actual interesting parts of the siege and just posted a video of you guys hammering the stone?

1:40 left on the timer, Arrival!

then it cuts to

40 minutes left on the timer

...And so the hammering begins.

Fun.

[Preparation H]

Im not into forum bullshit, but I'll bite on a couple of points:

Im an Aussie, we are an international clan. Server up is 9.30pm my time - primetime. Sorry it's not everyones, but shit last time I looked it's a 24/7, global server.

Effeh, I feel where you're coming from as I, like you, run a small clan. But please, dont call us cowards. We had an objective, put in the hard work, did what we had to do, and pulled it off. We exposed ourselves and put our existing holding on the line to do it. We don't have hardcore players so for us this was a big achievement and took a lot of courage from my guys.

It might be a yawnful event for much of the server but I couldnt care less. It was a great learning experience for my guys. We grow stronger and better as a result. If nothing else, I hope what we did shows the server that TOG will have a crack at things on NA-1. We will play the game and, win or lose, do it to the best of our ability.

Thanks to those that helped - damn right Effeh we couldnt have done it without them. That said, they helped us, not you. I guess there are reasons for that and if you think it's coz we're paying "30 mods" for their help (which we most certainly arent), you are missing out on a political learning experience.

Thats all from TOG here. It was nice to run what was (I believe) the first legit winning siege on NA1. Chalk one up for the underdog. Have fun everyone.

[Effeh]

As I said, I can't blame you for stacking the cards in your favour. And by the way, about the 30 mods a week thing, I believe you. I didn't just pull it out of my ass. That's what 420 told us. They lied.

[azalinsob]

Here’s a vid link in any case, for those interested.
TOG Siege (http://rumancola.com/TOG/TOGSiege001.mp4)
Captain Stella Artois, TOG

You left out the part of the video that showed the 5 man defense force holding off your 20+ man group off for 1:53 minutes worth of sieging.

[azalinsob]

Im not into forum bullshit, but I'll bite on a couple of points:


Thats all from TOG here. It was nice to run what was (I believe) the first legit winning siege on NA1. Chalk one up for the underdog. Have fun everyone.

Chalk one up to the underdog? are you fucking serious, you hired mercenaries to raid an 8 man holding at server up. You guys didnt know the horsemen moved in at like 10pm the night before. you willingly and knowingly went and took your 18 man clan vs an 8 man clan, and then hired a 100 man clan to be mercs for you. Chalk one up the the underdogs...

[gogoplata]

i'm loling so hard at that video its not funny... We are the champions? seriously... you guys got rolled... for over an hour by 5 guys... and you're crowing like you accomplished something... That video was gay as fuck.

[Effeh]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2JN9HG42

Here's a reupload of the "Siege video" TOG made and then subsequently took down.

Enjoy the lols.

[HervéVillechaiz]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2JN9HG42

Here's a reupload of the "Siege video" TOG made and then subsequently took down.

Enjoy the lols.

I think you are gracious man, showing you can still laugh when you lost.

[Eticus]

Are you the victim crying or are you just an observer?

Observer, taking note of the first clan to initiate a server up siege on an independent pvp guild.

For an alliance such as Call to Arms "whom has many skilled and respectful players" to enable a server up surprise attack on a clan of 8 people, just plain looks bad.

The bottom line a server up siege was not required.
Server up sieges are often looked at as cowardly, because quite simply they are done in that manner to avoid pvp.

Its in these actions that opinions form of the new alliances because this is all we have to go on. When you start new and your guild is a clean slate with little known honorableness and the first real public action they have is fucking a small clan it makes you wonder.

[Marxon_VG]

Observer, taking note of the first clan to initiate a server up siege on an independent pvp guild.

For an alliance such as Call to Arms "whom has many skilled and respectful players" to enable a server up surprise attack on a clan of 8 people, just plain looks bad.

The bottom line a server up siege was not required.
Server up sieges are often looked at as cowardly, because quite simply they are done in that manner to avoid pvp.

Its in these actions that opinions form of the new alliances because this is all we have to go on. When you start new and your guild is a clean slate with little known honorableness and the first real public action they have is fucking a small clan it makes you wonder.

K, I was just checking.

[grimjawinflamez]

Call to Arms "whom has many skilled and respectful players".

Don't know where you got the skilled and respectful players idea from. Don't know about the rest of the alliance but FOUR TWENTY is trash heh. They've gone and fucked up by getting a city. So much easier to grief this way :lmao: 2 months :sly: