Any legitimate sieges yet?

[Krush]

Or am I going to have to start this shit soon?

[Alaron NeX]

Yes there has been a couple.

[Krush]

Yes there has been a couple.
From what i was told those have all be transfers.

[Santharix]

there's one going on right now between CTA and SoN.

[Skullfukt]

Huge one going on right now.

[Krush]

I was getting reports that those 2 alliances allied up, that or one of them absorbed a bunch of clans from the other.

[Grayheart]

Huge one going on right now.

wasn't so huge...and it's over.

[smcgrath]

lol guess no one defended, or was a transfer

[Skullfukt]

Nein. Chalk this one up to Icon. :)

[Umberto]

Wasn't a transfer, but sadly there wasn't any resistance.

[Krush]

Details, who and what city.

[Malcan]

It was really anticlimactic. I think both sides were looking for a massive siege worthy of the title of First NA Siege, as well as a fun fight with lots of loot.

Alas... it did not come. :P

[Waphlez]

Sacred challenged Insidious(CTA) over Dagnamyr. So CTA went to Sacred's hamlet and took it with no resistance and ended the challenge. It was a legitimate siege, but not much of one.

[Malcan]

Sacred wagered a Ruby Hamlet against Insidious's city. Ended with about 50 minutes left on the inv. timer when hamlet got gang banged by hammertime.

[Krush]

Sacred wagered a Ruby Hamlet against Insidious's city. Ended with about 50 minutes left on the inv. timer when hamlet got gang banged by hammertime.
So sacred doesn't hold that city on Rubaiyat that is claimed on the political map? Because if they did taking a hamlet wouldn't have ended the siege.

[Alaron NeX]

So sacred doesn't hold that city on Rubaiyat that is claimed on the political map? Because if they did taking a hamlet wouldn't have ended the siege.

Sacred does not own that city anymore.

[Marxon_VG]

Sacred does not own that city anymore.

Who does?

[higach]

Apex

[Malcan]

Nah I dont think they had a city. Both sides had almost 200 guys ready to roll at the city. But it just... ended.... lame.

[Barrack Orkbama]

Sacred lost their city yesterday to apex, with no resistance. That was not a transfer but sacred was partially satisified by the fact that another clan Infamous 3 had made a partial payment on the city and was going to buy it before infamous three got their clan bank jacked (i wonder by who? :) and could no longer afford it.

Today sacred used the hamlet as a wager and within 5 minutes I was in the hamlet and there was no defense. The hamlet remainded empty and undefended up until I'd say 80-90 attackers from call to arms busted down the clanstone. Roughly 3 hours into the siege.

I personally did not get eyes on the force but thats what my sources around the area confirm.

[Skullfukt]

Sacred lost their city yesterday to apex, with no resistance. That was not a transfer but sacred was partially satisified by the fact that another clan Infamous 3 had made a partial payment on the city and was going to buy it before infamous three got their clan bank jacked (i wonder by who? :) and could no longer afford it.

Today sacred used the hamlet as a wager and within 5 minutes I was in the hamlet and there was no defense. The hamlet remainded empty and undefended up until I'd say 80-90 attackers from call to arms busted down the clanstone. Roughly 3 hours into the siege.

I personally did not get eyes on the force but thats what my sources around the area confirm.

This basically. We already had our money for city (most of it) so we didn't worry to much.

The whole no defense thing you can chalk up to the incompetence of Icon. We had many times over the 3 day planning period asked what there plans for defense were and the reassured us many times that they had adequate planning. Today they tell us there will be no defense and we will just ride to dag. (lol to far to ruby?)
We were told a lot of false promises when we joined. I am no longer a member of sacred as the clan was basically destroyed by this and the use of all our funds to set this up.
Icon said it is our fault because we expected them to do the whole thing. But the truth is they didn't do a single thing. While we made 80 percent of the siege hammers and even chipped in for mercenaries when they decided they were outmatched. =/
This is our fault as well for trusting them. I'm more dissapointed with how much time and planning our members put into this siege spent than the incompetence of Icon and there inability to understand simple siege mechanics.


*These opinions do not represent Sacred's view in anyway only mine.*

[Aerelis]

jghjgh

[Mossflower]

Hey Krush, Jasper Hawkins here I'm sure you remember me from EU-1. I am Jon Snow on NA-1, one of the supreme generals of Icon. There was quite a large siege in the works today, and regardless of who wants to blame Icon for the loss, we had all of our guys geared and ready to go. Miscommunication led us to believe that the wagered hamlet was defended, which it was not, and the clanstone was zerged down in about 10 minutes or so. It was similar to when ODT (I think, maybe it was Gothic) lost their hamlet on EU-1 when DUSK wagered it against someone, miscommunication and poor planning, and not enough defense on the hamlet.

Though its probably easier to brush it off and "chalk it up to Icon", it was neither Icons city to be won, or wager to be lost, and we were not informed that the wagered hamlet needed more defenses. We had all our guys mounted, geared, ready to go waiting for orders/intel, and had many scouts out in the field, and I personally feel we did more than our part. We also paid 15k in personal funds to hire mercenaries for a fight that never even happened.

I don't believe it was any one person or guild's fault, but it certainly was not Icon's. It would have been an epic fight if the two armies had clashed, and there were a lot of people dissapointed that a real battle(s) did not happen, I know I was.

Regards

Jon Snow

[Skullfukt]

you my boy, are delusional. First of all, Icon is not the leader of the alliance, and you just joined two days ago, we are not going to hold Sacred's hand through everything. YOU said that you had your hamlet covered, and had a guild watching it, and said "if they attack, they will get rolled" those are your words exactly.
I said there were 15-20 of them. Didnt say we shouldn't defend. I told you multiple times we need a defense.
You don't just join an alliance, and expect them to hold your hand, don't blame someone else for your poor communication, and plan. And as far as I am concerned.
Poor plan? you said we shouldnt fucking send any guys to the hamlet.
So if it makes you feel better to blame Icon because of your poor leadership and communication skills. Go for it buddy. But don't tell us one thing, and than when your plan falls apart, blame us because you guessed wrong.

so QQ more. i would be embarrased if i were you too.
YOU DIDNT KNOW YOU NEEDED DEFENSE IN A 4 HOUR PREP PERIOD

Response in bold. Not following thread after this. I said my thoughts. You didn't hand hold us, you didnt want to follow our plan. We also said we should claim with cash. You said hamlet. (its fucking other side of map)

Edit: And you guys lose like 15 guys a day to a bloodwall.

[Aerelis]

This basically. We already had our money for city (most of it) so we didn't worry to much.

The whole no defense thing you can chalk up to the incompetence of Icon. We had many times over the 3 day planning period asked what there plans for defense were and the reassured us many times that they had adequate planning. Today they tell us there will be no defense and we will just ride to dag. (lol to far to ruby?)
We were told a lot of false promises when we joined. I am no longer a member of sacred as the clan was basically destroyed by this and the use of all our funds to set this up.
Icon said it is our fault because we expected them to do the whole thing. But the truth is they didn't do a single thing. While we made 80 percent of the siege hammers and even chipped in for mercenaries when they decided they were outmatched. =/
This is our fault as well for trusting them. I'm more dissapointed with how much time and planning our members put into this siege spent than the incompetence of Icon and there inability to understand simple siege mechanics.


*These opinions do not represent Sacred's view in anyway only mine.*

All I will say is you just stuck your foot in your clans mouth man. That is a low blow to blame another clan for your own incompetance, It isn't our fault, We did not wage war, We did not put our hamlet up for wager. YOU guys did.

So if it makes you feel better, than blame us. I really don't care. I would be embarrased if I were you as well.

[Malcan]

So you are upset because we didnt let you use a city and give you a city too? Awwww. Cute.


Hey btw shoutout to some of you awesome guys in Call to Arms. Was really looking forward to a real fight! :D

[Malcan]

Lol Snagga, at one point you told me you had 50 defending and Gets High Ton had your hamlet covered.

Sorry but we cant attack a city AND defend your hamlet on the other side of the map kiddo. Better luck next time.

[Aerelis]

Response in bold. Not following thread after this. I said my thoughts. You didn't hand hold us, you didnt want to follow our plan. We also said we should claim with cash. You said hamlet. (its fucking other side of map)

Edit: And you guys lose like 15 guys a day to a bloodwall.

dude, chill out man, i know your embarrased....you said so in your tells.....which i suppose i could post here.......but no need to make stuff up....

[Wreatch]

Chalk us up as some more who were ready for a fight, maybe next time.

[Dread OG]

Sacred didnt want that hamlet anyways.

[Malcan]

Damn how did we all miss that joke? Dread OG's gotta come in with the coup de grat.

[Dunki]

This basically. We already had our money for city (most of it) so we didn't worry to much.

The whole no defense thing you can chalk up to the incompetence of Icon. We had many times over the 3 day planning period asked what there plans for defense were and the reassured us many times that they had adequate planning. Today they tell us there will be no defense and we will just ride to dag. (lol to far to ruby?)
We were told a lot of false promises when we joined. I am no longer a member of sacred as the clan was basically destroyed by this and the use of all our funds to set this up.
Icon said it is our fault because we expected them to do the whole thing. But the truth is they didn't do a single thing. While we made 80 percent of the siege hammers and even chipped in for mercenaries when they decided they were outmatched. =/
This is our fault as well for trusting them. I'm more dissapointed with how much time and planning our members put into this siege spent than the incompetence of Icon and there inability to understand simple siege mechanics.


*These opinions do not represent Sacred's view in anyway only mine.*


Unfortunately your views do represent Sacred's. As you remain in their guild sitting in the middle of sunthrone. Shit goes sour, and guilds who have a hard time with this wont make it very long in Darkfall, or enjoy the game to any extent.

Some how you assume we were suppose to be in 2 places at once. Its not our job to fund your siege hammer, or to provide all the tactical support in every worse case scenario. We are one guild, not 3...

10k? That can be farmed in a few hours... IF your guild is disbanding over the loss of a few kg then there is bigger issues then a failed siege. I love the emo rage people have in this game, and the shear amount of people that forget this is a game.

Ask around on the EU forms on how expensive some of the sieges cost to accomplish or fail to accomplish. 100k's of gold spend in a few short hours.

In hind sight we probably should not of even stuck our neck out there to do this. A 60 person guild should be able to field more then 7 players during their own siege. Def will be seeking more diplomatic ideals in the future then listening to war hungry 7 man teams who dont have the man power to support their own intentions.

[Dunki]

Sacred didnt want that hamlet anyways.

El Oh El

[Barrack Orkbama]

Lol Snagga, at one point you told me you had 50 defending and Gets High Ton had your hamlet covered.

Sorry but we cant attack a city AND defend your hamlet on the other side of the map kiddo. Better luck next time.

Gets Hi Ton was never defending the hamlet, nor ever had the intention of defending the hamlet.

Just an fyi.

25 of us were geared and ready to join the fun as a third party if fighting broke out on the island but it never did. So we sat on the walls of econo-lodge and macroed.

Certain members of both alliances can attest to this.

Personally i think the entire server is pretty much pussified. If your clan can't defend your city you don't deserve it.

So fuck all your alliances and the nutcupping. 1 clan 1 city 0 allies.

[Rhade]

we also paid 15k in personal funds to hire mercenaries for a fight that never even happened.


7.5.

[Malcan]

7.5.

Actually most of that cost was covered by my personal gold. Props to Black Shields and AoD.... as soon as you guys got up to the city it was over lol.

FYI those guys are great mercs. They had 30 geared/mounted ready to go in an hours notice, with a very nice price. Skilled too from the skirmishes I've been in against them.

[Satan]

i lold

[Scrappy_Doo]

Personally i think the entire server is pretty much pussified.

Hey I like to think we try to give you all good fights. Even though its only 4 of us at most each time. We still don't run and stick in there....even when the battlemount drop kicked me in the scrotum.

[SKLURB]

dude, chill out man, i know your embarrased....you said so in your tells.....which i suppose i could post here.......but no need to make stuff up....

you my boy, are delusional. First of all, Icon is not the leader of the alliance, and you just joined two days ago, we are not going to hold Sacred's hand through everything. YOU said that you had your hamlet covered, and had a guild watching it, and said "if they attack, they will get rolled" those are your words exactly.

You don't just join an alliance, and expect them to hold your hand, don't blame someone else for your poor communication, and plan. And as far as I am concerned.

So if it makes you feel better to blame Icon because of your poor leadership and communication skills. Go for it buddy. But don't tell us one thing, and than when your plan falls apart, blame us because you guessed wrong.

so QQ more. i would be embarrased if i were you too.

i may only be a lowly sergeant in icon but have been part of some premier pvp guilds in my time. comparatively most of my experiences within icon have been ....embarrassing.

i am embarrassed at the lack of teamwork in icon.

i am embarrassed by some of the leadership. leadership that asks how to questions when leading a siege. leadership that took anger out on members for communicating valid team info.

i am embarrassed that we came to assist an ally and did it half assed.

i am embarrassed by our poor planning. we should have had a group ready and waiting at sacreds hamlet. we have 200+ members. it should have been done even if only 1/3 of our members were on online at a time and about half of that third were even in vent. (i do think sacred is also to blame for their own part but i am not here to jump on the bandwagon)

i was embarrassed when someone said "oh well at least we dont have anything at stake here" in vent and went further in clan chat to talk smack about sacred without having the nerve to say how they felt to them directly.

i am continually embarrassed when the whole of sunthrone goes into a jumbled unorganized tizzy when there is only 3 or 4 enemy players outside ganking our members. we are so slow to respond. "BANK YOUR ITEMS! ENEMIES FORCES OUTSIDE!" oh noes.

i was embarrassed when some of the leadership were shouting conflicting orders in clan chat because they didnt have microphones. get a mic. pros use voice chat.

i was embarrassed when a small handful of sinister members (5) came into our city and obliterated and owned the entirety of icon for over 22 minutes. i watched the clock to time our response. again our response was pitiful. the cries of victory at their eventual partial defeat were equally pitiful. some even managed to escape.

i was SMILING when an enemy clan came into our harbor walls and used our own cannon to destroy a portion of our harbor defenses. i dont care if it was a glitch or an exploit. they were in OUR HOME. in our city and they were heavily outnumbered and our defenses were slow to respond. afraid to fight and some even fleeing. an order had to be given that leaders would kill any runners. wow.

i smiled because i know my time within icon is very limited. i smiled because i respect enemies who play well exploits aside. they fought well enough and kept a much larger force at bay cringing in fear. i will continue to use what i need and move on. for now anonymity serves my purpose.

aere making it a point to try to humiliate others especially when you are so double standard is self defeating. i guess you say what you think will hurt someone else because you know it would hurt you. you need to either show icons strength or you will reveal icons weakness.

[Krush]

I'd just like to point out I didn't judge or poke fun of any of the clans involved in said siege. I just wanted to know about who was involved.

[onastica]

I'm not on here to Flame Snagga (SkullFukt) but the there simply is no one to blame but Sacred's leadership for the failed siege. Please understand they did work really hard and stay up for a very long time gathering resources and prepping the clan members.

Unfortunately they made an enormous tactical error thinking they could leave out the defense of the hamlet they were wagering (and giving up the city a day or so before rather then waiting to have enough cash in hand "with" the city). (even if you thought someone else would "help" you defend, its "help", you should still have a solid group of your own members including one of your generals on hand).

Sadly Sacred's leadership left us in a lurch. Not only put us in a bad position with Icon and SoN but did so while many of us were in their city, a few standing afk. I don't blame Icon for driving our members out of course since our leadership went and made posts blaming icon (thanks for at least warning us first "leaders"). When I saw "Wary" appear, I mounted up and headed for the hills.

The biggest blunder was that they simply underestimated the opposing clan. When I asked if we were going to have big enough numbers to mount the siege it was shrugged off that "oh there would only be like 9 people defending at best." It should just server as a reminder of how important leadership, communication and strategy is.

As for me, I was so disappointed with not only the poor planning but the lack of communication afterward. Why not just say "Hey guys, sorry we screwed up but we'll regroup and do it right next time....".

Icon thanks for trying, I've moved on to another member of the SoN alliance which I believe will need to strengthen themselves now more then ever. I encourage you to reach out to Sacred's new clan leader Samhain who is much more likely to be more cautious in any future maneuvers .

Cheers! :bang:

[Iteroni]

I'd just like to point out I didn't judge or poke fun of any of the clans involved in said siege. I just wanted to know about who was involved.

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[onastica]

double post = opp to interject

It wasn't an Emo essay, I was just letting people in on what went on inside of Sacred since only one Sacred voice was being heard till then.

I expect blunders and change. SoN won't last forever, some other alliance might come along and take Sunthrone. And then things will change, power will shift. Isn't this the "game" of it all. I wouldn't be posting if I wasn't stuck at work unable to play...

I'm more disappointed that a full scale battle never took place, I was looking forward to dying, which I would have. Died... of course. Because my char is weak, and have too much to do in RL... *sigh*

Sorry to make you read so many words... I know it makes your brain hurt.

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[Malcan]

Lol one siege goes wrong and all of a sudden we get emo essays and tears. Damn.

[Aerelis]

i may only be a lowly sergeant in icon but have been part of some premier pvp guilds in my time. comparatively most of my experiences within icon have been ....embarrassing.

i am embarrassed at the lack of teamwork in icon.

i am embarrassed by some of the leadership. leadership that asks how to questions when leading a siege. leadership that took anger out on members for communicating valid team info.

i am embarrassed that we came to assist an ally and did it half assed.

i am embarrassed by our poor planning. we should have had a group ready and waiting at sacreds hamlet. we have 200+ members. it should have been done even if only 1/3 of our members were on online at a time and about half of that third were even in vent. (i do think sacred is also to blame for their own part but i am not here to jump on the bandwagon)

i was embarrassed when someone said "oh well at least we dont have anything at stake here" in vent and went further in clan chat to talk smack about sacred without having the nerve to say how they felt to them directly.

i am continually embarrassed when the whole of sunthrone goes into a jumbled unorganized tizzy when there is only 3 or 4 enemy players outside ganking our members. we are so slow to respond. "BANK YOUR ITEMS! ENEMIES FORCES OUTSIDE!" oh noes.

i was embarrassed when some of the leadership were shouting conflicting orders in clan chat because they didnt have microphones. get a mic. pros use voice chat.

i was embarrassed when a small handful of sinister members (5) came into our city and obliterated and owned the entirety of icon for over 22 minutes. i watched the clock to time our response. again our response was pitiful. the cries of victory at their eventual partial defeat were equally pitiful. some even managed to escape.

i was SMILING when an enemy clan came into our harbor walls and used our own cannon to destroy a portion of our harbor defenses. i dont care if it was a glitch or an exploit. they were in OUR HOME. in our city and they were heavily outnumbered and our defenses were slow to respond. afraid to fight and some even fleeing. an order had to be given that leaders would kill any runners. wow.

i smiled because i know my time within icon is very limited. i smiled because i respect enemies who play well exploits aside. they fought well enough and kept a much larger force at bay cringing in fear. i will continue to use what i need and move on. for now anonymity serves my purpose.

aere making it a point to try to humiliate others especially when you are so double standard is self defeating. i guess you say what you think will hurt someone else because you know it would hurt you. you need to either show icons strength or you will reveal icons weakness.





if you want a game where clans hold your hand, go play wow.

and be a man and reveal your name.

[Dunki]

i may only be a lowly sergeant in icon but have been part of some premier pvp guilds in my time. comparatively most of my experiences within icon have been ....embarrassing.

i am embarrassed at the lack of teamwork in icon.

i am embarrassed by some of the leadership. leadership that asks how to questions when leading a siege. leadership that took anger out on members for communicating valid team info.

i am embarrassed that we came to assist an ally and did it half assed.

i am embarrassed by our poor planning. we should have had a group ready and waiting at sacreds hamlet. we have 200+ members. it should have been done even if only 1/3 of our members were on online at a time and about half of that third were even in vent. (i do think sacred is also to blame for their own part but i am not here to jump on the bandwagon)

i was embarrassed when someone said "oh well at least we dont have anything at stake here" in vent and went further in clan chat to talk smack about sacred without having the nerve to say how they felt to them directly.

i am continually embarrassed when the whole of sunthrone goes into a jumbled unorganized tizzy when there is only 3 or 4 enemy players outside ganking our members. we are so slow to respond. "BANK YOUR ITEMS! ENEMIES FORCES OUTSIDE!" oh noes.

i was embarrassed when some of the leadership were shouting conflicting orders in clan chat because they didnt have microphones. get a mic. pros use voice chat.

i was embarrassed when a small handful of sinister members (5) came into our city and obliterated and owned the entirety of icon for over 22 minutes. i watched the clock to time our response. again our response was pitiful. the cries of victory at their eventual partial defeat were equally pitiful. some even managed to escape.

i was SMILING when an enemy clan came into our harbor walls and used our own cannon to destroy a portion of our harbor defenses. i dont care if it was a glitch or an exploit. they were in OUR HOME. in our city and they were heavily outnumbered and our defenses were slow to respond. afraid to fight and some even fleeing. an order had to be given that leaders would kill any runners. wow.

i smiled because i know my time within icon is very limited. i smiled because i respect enemies who play well exploits aside. they fought well enough and kept a much larger force at bay cringing in fear. i will continue to use what i need and move on. for now anonymity serves my purpose.

aere making it a point to try to humiliate others especially when you are so double standard is self defeating. i guess you say what you think will hurt someone else because you know it would hurt you. you need to either show icons strength or you will reveal icons weakness.


lol troll...not in icon

falsities in every other word...el oh el

[Pariah]

i smiled because i know my time within icon is very limited..


You know I really get tired of people bitching about a problem rather than stepping up to the plate to correct it. While I don't know if a lick of what you say is true ...rather than crying about it on the forums like a little girl, why don't you try to lead, and better your clan? You're one of those clan hoppers though ...we all hate guys like you. :rolleyes:




Oops posted before I saw this ...

lol troll...not in icon

falsities in every other word...el oh el

[SKLURB]

lol troll...not in icon

falsities in every other word...el oh el

You and I know the truth.

[Aerelis]

You know I really get tired of people bitching about a problem rather than stepping up to the plate to correct it. While I don't know if a lick of what you say is true ...rather than crying about it on the forums like a little girl, why don't you try to lead, and better your clan? You're one of those clan hoppers though ...we all hate guys like you. :rolleyes:




Oops posted before I saw this ...

If every member of every clan thought that way this server would be a lot more fun.... That is an awesome point and I give you mad props for saying that, it is so the truth. Instead of crying do something.

[Krush]

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Some of the responses were looking like they were directed at me and sounded like they were going on the defensive. That's why I figured I'd point out I didn't say anything this time.

[SKLURB]

You know I really get tired of people bitching about a problem rather than stepping up to the plate to correct it. While I don't know if a lick of what you say is true ...rather than crying about it on the forums like a little girl, why don't you try to lead, and better your clan? You're one of those clan hoppers though ...we all hate guys like you. :rolleyes:


Oops posted before I saw this ...

yeah, it was obvious my attempts to help improve the clan in ways I personally could contribute were somewhat....well....not very well received. ;]

The "intent" here was to post some observations I had made on the public DFO forum in an attempt to challenge Icon to be accountable to it.

I left a bit too much to be assumed, and I guess on a forum like DFO it may only read as crying huh.

Oh well, gonna go cry me to sleep on mah pillow.

[Scrappy_Doo]

If every member of every clan thought that way this server would be a lot more fun.... That is an awesome point and I give you mad props for saying that, it is so the truth. Instead of crying do something.

This^^

yeah, it was obvious my attempts to help improve the clan in ways I personally could contribute were somewhat....well....not very well received. ;]

The "intent" here was to post some observations I had made on the public DFO forum in an attempt to challenge Icon to be accountable to it.

I left a bit too much to be assumed, and I guess on a forum like DFO it may only read as crying huh.

Oh well, gonna go cry me to sleep on mah pillow.

Did you ever speak up about how slow things were going or did you just sit back smiling all the time? You bitched about how slow rally times were, how bad leadership was, how unfair things were but did you ever put in your 2 cents. I know in clan alliance chat right before the seige happened someone from Icon asked Sacred how their hamlet was. And someone from Sacred said that its covered and that they have some clans coming to help. So a rally time and prep time was set for everyone to meet up. But then suddenly, about 15 minutes after Sacred was asked how their hamlet was, a message comes up that says they have lost the challenge. Then clan alliance chat lit up with finger pointing mostly coming from Sacred members focused at the Sacred leadership. Then someone jokingly from RAGE said in alliance chat that RAGE was recruiting. So I fail to see where it was Icon's lack of leadership that lost the siege for Sacred. Its not Icon's alliance and without the other clans Icon would just be 1 clan. So I am confused as to why whenever anythign goes wrong for the clans in the alliance they all are so fast to point the finger at Icon.

[SKLURB]

Did you ever speak up about how slow things were going or did you just sit back smiling all the time? You bitched about how slow rally times were, how bad leadership was, how unfair things were but did you ever put in your 2 cents.

Yep sure did speak up on several occassions. I actually was very pro Icon for awhile and donated everything I gathered to the clan bank, however, watching enemies use our own harbor cannon to destroy our wall (while members were hiding back in our tunnel with some even fleeing) just causes ya to wonder what the heck you are donating for anyway. I mean, I understand stuff gets destroyed, stuff is gonna get sieged...np. I can deal with that.....but at the very LEAST go defend it! Holy crap did Icon sit back and "talk" about what they needed to do without action...the whole time they are just blasting away on our walls. Yes, at that point I was smiling, because that was the moment I made my decision to be done with Icon. I was relieved. Not just this single instance mind you...it was the straw that....well you get the idea from my previous post in this thread. :)

I should take a moment in all fairness to say that I personally never saw a problem with Dunki Swann's or Jon Snow's leadership. I found them both to be very fair, have solid knowledge and tactical decisions...I just don't think they have enough constructive support from their other officers and this in turn seems to send a message to the clan that is deconstructive to teamplay. I do think Dunki's attempt to say my entire previous post (every word) was false was sort of....not very well thought out....because all of Icon can come here and know for themselves that all of these things happened. Jon Snow is probably the strongest asset to Icon at this time with Dunki a close second. Jon is not afraid to call out other officers for mistakes they made or taking personal aggressions out on the general membership of Icon.

If I have one regret in this it is that I have put a wall up between Jon and I. I like the guy, I really do. I just felt Aere needed to have it pointed out that while he placed so much emphasis publicly on what others should be embarrassed about, he needed a slap of reality as a reminder of his own embarrassments. I felt he chose the stage for how business is done by doing it on a public forum, and I took the opportunity to meet him on his stage. As I said it was put out there for scrutiny so that Icon can learn from the mistakes and be accountable for their own actions.


You bitched about how slow rally times were, how bad leadership was, how unfair things were but did you ever put in your 2 cents. I know in clan alliance chat right before the seige happened someone from Icon asked Sacred how their hamlet was. And someone from Sacred said that its covered and that they have some clans coming to help. So a rally time and prep time was set for everyone to meet up. But then suddenly, about 15 minutes after Sacred was asked how their hamlet was, a message comes up that says they have lost the challenge. Then clan alliance chat lit up with finger pointing mostly coming from Sacred members focused at the Sacred leadership. Then someone jokingly from RAGE said in alliance chat that RAGE was recruiting. So I fail to see where it was Icon's lack of leadership that lost the siege for Sacred. Its not Icon's alliance and without the other clans Icon would just be 1 clan. So I am confused as to why whenever anythign goes wrong for the clans in the alliance they all are so fast to point the finger at Icon.

You are forgetting, at the time, I was also a member of Icon and I also acknowledged Sacreds part in the blame although not nearly as in depth, because there was already a bandwagon going against them with several members of Icon hopping on it. Icon was waiting till 9:30PM EST....3½ hours after the initial challenge to return to attack. They were sitting in Sunthrone without any representatives dispatched to the hamlet to be our own eyes if nothing else. We easily could have dispatched several members HOURS before Sacred lost the challenge. We put out a few scouts here and there near Insidious' city but the rest were in Sunthrone and it proved to be too far away to do anything for our allies when the time came.

This raid was heavily advertised by Icon as "THE FIRST SIEGE OF THE SERVER" and was being helmed by Icon, that we were "going to help our allied members in Sacred get a city of their own." That alone was reason enough to follow through with our strength. We displayed only weakness however, poor planning, confusion, and indifference at the loss of our ally's hamlet. "Oh well at least we had nothing at stake in this."

Nope, nothing but Icon's reputation...
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[Scrappy_Doo]

Yep sure did speak up on several occassions. I actually was very pro Icon for awhile and donated everything I gathered to the clan bank, however, watching enemies use our own harbor cannon to destroy our wall (while members were hiding back in our tunnel with some even fleeing) just causes ya to wonder what the heck you are donating for anyway. I mean, I understand stuff gets destroyed, stuff is gonna get sieged...np. I can deal with that.....but at the very LEAST go defend it! Holy crap did Icon sit back and "talk" about what they needed to do without action...the whole time they are just blasting away on our walls. Yes, at that point I was smiling, because that was the moment I made my decision to be done with Icon. I was relieved. Not just this single instance mind you...it was the straw that....well you get the idea from my previous post in this thread. :)

I should take a moment in all fairness to say that I personally never saw a problem with Dunki Swann's or Jon Snow's leadership. I found them both to be very fair, have solid knowledge and tactical decisions...I just don't think they have enough constructive support from their other officers and this in turn seems to send a message to the clan that is deconstructive to teamplay. I do think Dunki's attempt to say my entire previous post (every word) was false was sort of....not very well thought out....because all of Icon can come here and know for themselves that all of these things happened. Jon Snow is probably the strongest asset to Icon at this time with Dunki a close second. Jon is not afraid to call out other officers for mistakes they made or taking personal aggressions out on the general membership of Icon.

If I have one regret in this it is that I have put a wall up between Jon and I. I like the guy, I really do. I just felt Aere needed to have it pointed out that while he placed so much emphasis publicly on what others should be embarrassed about, he needed a slap of reality as a reminder of his own embarrassments. I felt he chose the stage for how business is done by doing it on a public forum, and I took the opportunity to meet him on his stage. As I said it was put out there for scrutiny so that Icon can learn from the mistakes and be accountable for their own actions.




You are forgetting, at the time, I was also a member of Icon and I also acknowledged Sacreds part in the blame although not nearly as in depth, because there was already a bandwagon going against them with several members of Icon hopping on it. Icon was waiting till 9:30PM EST....3½ hours after the initial challenge to return to attack. They were sitting in Sunthrone without any representatives dispatched to the hamlet to be our own eyes if nothing else. We easily could have dispatched several members HOURS before Sacred lost the challenge. We put out a few scouts here and there near Insidious' city but the rest were in Sunthrone and it proved to be too far away to do anything for our allies when the time came.

This raid was heavily advertised by Icon as "THE FIRST SIEGE OF THE SERVER" and was being helmed by Icon, that we were "going to help our allied members in Sacred get a city of their own." That alone was reason enough to follow through with our strength. We displayed only weakness however, poor planning, confusion, and indifference at the loss of our ally's hamlet. "Oh well at least we had nothing at stake in this."

Nope, nothing but Icon's reputation...
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Not sure how to comment. All I know is with regards to the siege I saw a Sacred general say tht the hamlet was under control cause they had other clans to come help, then 15-20minutes later the siege was over. :rolleyes: The one complaint I may have is that there were no grps formed up way before the 9:30PM rally time or that there were no grps already camping the city we were sieging. But other then that it wasn't really Icon's siege to lose but was rather Sacred's siege to lose. Even though Icon is the majority of the force it was Sacred that said everything was covered at their hamlet which was why no one went there.

I can understand your frustration about them not charging in to wipe out thier enemies, but the couple times I have been in Sunthrone when its raided I have gotten reports or seen messages that there are 20 raiders coming in from the harbor and then when I ran down there I only see 9 or 10 at most. So some people are hesitant to go charging into a fight when they don't know the actual numbers of thier enemies. My clan's problem is that we are outnumbered all the time so we always blindly run into fights...sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't but either way we get respect for it.

[Skullfukt]

Gets Hi Ton was never defending the hamlet, nor ever had the intention of defending the hamlet.

Just an fyi.

25 of us were geared and ready to join the fun as a third party if fighting broke out on the island but it never did. So we sat on the walls of econo-lodge and macroed.

Certain members of both alliances can attest to this.

Personally i think the entire server is pretty much pussified. If your clan can't defend your city you don't deserve it.

So fuck all your alliances and the nutcupping. 1 clan 1 city 0 allies.

O rly?

http://209.85.62.24/381/25/0/p194597/lolalliance.bmp

[Aerelis]

Yep sure did speak up on several occassions. I actually was very pro Icon for awhile and donated everything I gathered to the clan bank, however, watching enemies use our own harbor cannon to destroy our wall (while members were hiding back in our tunnel with some even fleeing) just causes ya to wonder what the heck you are donating for anyway. I mean, I understand stuff gets destroyed, stuff is gonna get sieged...np. I can deal with that.....but at the very LEAST go defend it! Holy crap did Icon sit back and "talk" about what they needed to do without action...the whole time they are just blasting away on our walls. Yes, at that point I was smiling, because that was the moment I made my decision to be done with Icon. I was relieved. Not just this single instance mind you...it was the straw that....well you get the idea from my previous post in this thread. :)

I should take a moment in all fairness to say that I personally never saw a problem with Dunki Swann's or Jon Snow's leadership. I found them both to be very fair, have solid knowledge and tactical decisions...I just don't think they have enough constructive support from their other officers and this in turn seems to send a message to the clan that is deconstructive to teamplay. I do think Dunki's attempt to say my entire previous post (every word) was false was sort of....not very well thought out....because all of Icon can come here and know for themselves that all of these things happened. Jon Snow is probably the strongest asset to Icon at this time with Dunki a close second. Jon is not afraid to call out other officers for mistakes they made or taking personal aggressions out on the general membership of Icon.

If I have one regret in this it is that I have put a wall up between Jon and I. I like the guy, I really do. I just felt Aere needed to have it pointed out that while he placed so much emphasis publicly on what others should be embarrassed about, he needed a slap of reality as a reminder of his own embarrassments. I felt he chose the stage for how business is done by doing it on a public forum, and I took the opportunity to meet him on his stage. As I said it was put out there for scrutiny so that Icon can learn from the mistakes and be accountable for their own actions.




You are forgetting, at the time, I was also a member of Icon and I also acknowledged Sacreds part in the blame although not nearly as in depth, because there was already a bandwagon going against them with several members of Icon hopping on it. Icon was waiting till 9:30PM EST....3½ hours after the initial challenge to return to attack. They were sitting in Sunthrone without any representatives dispatched to the hamlet to be our own eyes if nothing else. We easily could have dispatched several members HOURS before Sacred lost the challenge. We put out a few scouts here and there near Insidious' city but the rest were in Sunthrone and it proved to be too far away to do anything for our allies when the time came.

This raid was heavily advertised by Icon as "THE FIRST SIEGE OF THE SERVER" and was being helmed by Icon, that we were "going to help our allied members in Sacred get a city of their own." That alone was reason enough to follow through with our strength. We displayed only weakness however, poor planning, confusion, and indifference at the loss of our ally's hamlet. "Oh well at least we had nothing at stake in this."

Nope, nothing but Icon's reputation...
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You need to get your facts straight

You were no where near pro

This guys name is shadow cat clans beware alt is jub jub

He can't take criticism and is qq'ing because uncle aere isn't a carebear leader and tells people when they fail

Get off our nuts and learn to play

Making up half the crap your saying and have no idea what your saying when both sacred members and more are backing what we are

U got gkicked deal with it and quit qq'ing I feel sorry for the clan that takes you in

Buyer beware

I'm sure some rp clans are recruiting look into it maybe they will nutcup you
This happened thursday and your still crying

Your like foxnews man full of bs

[Dunki]

There will always be people who cry and complain in this game. Jub Jub rarely spoke to me, most of my experiences with him is running by him on the blood wall, not sure about the rest of the officers. Never approach me about any issues he was having or feeling. Scared, not sure what to say about them..they brought 7 of their 66 members to their own siege and it went sour when they wanted icon to be in 2 places at once. IMO their leader is pretty immature, and this fact is clearly stated by the content of his post on the forums, tells in game, and abandoning his guild with in the first 3 weeks of the game.

The harbor cannon issue was a whole 3 nights ago, and was being done by a guild known for their hackers. Not sure why we wouldn't expect them to use know exploits to cost us a few mods. Offenders were reported server times, and there are 4 different gm's involved in fixing the issue.

Im not hear to babysit anyone, and drama is removed rather quickly. Not quite sure why everyone is talking about this still lol. About 10 of sacred members have joined Icon after their leaders abused their donated resources and material and bounced with it all QQ'ing the whole way home.

Undoubted people have notice how many members we have. We have been a community guild for a long time with hundred of members in many mmos. Small pk groups in many of those while the community as a whole looks for long term home options. We dont claim to be the best at anything, and were only human, giving many people the chance to join and mesh well with our member base and our current alliance to have a great darkfall experience hopefully. Its obvious we will be kicking drama filled members and leaving behind drama filled guilds.

Anyway, i wont be repsonding to this thread anymore because its just a waste of time...people need to remember this is a video game.

[mcap]

...The harbor cannon issue was a whole 3 nights ago, and was being done by a guild known for their hackers. Not sure why we wouldn't expect them to use know exploits to cost us a few mods. Offenders were reported server times, and there are 4 different gm's involved in fixing the issue.


This gave me a laugh. LOOK AT THE BIG MAN, GETTING 4 GMS INVOLVED TO FIX THE ISSUE.

Nevermind that this bug has been around since EU1 release and GMs don't have anything to do with fixing bugs. I'm guessing that statement means your huge guild all /gm_reported and, over the course of a few hours, received canned copy-paste responses from 4 different GMs. We're impressed. Really.

Also: It's a bug, not a hack. Why would the guild being 'known for their hackers' make any difference at all?

[Spyder0527]

You need to get your facts straight

You were no where near pro


Pro as in "for" or "supporting" you tool.

[Aerelis]

Pro as in "for" or "supporting" you tool.
Sorry if your feelings got hurt

Never seen as many sissy gamers in my life. Talk is cheap

[SKLURB]

You need to get your facts straight

Actually, I did! Funny that. I asked several other members what their personal experiences and perspectives were and found they were also feeling frustration and embarrassment at being affiliated with Icon.

You were no where near pro

I don't think yer qualified to make that statement. :sly:

This guys name is shadow cat clans beware alt is jub jub

Congrats! You learned how to Google.

He can't take criticism and is qq'ing because uncle aere isn't a carebear leader and tells people when they fail

I was criticized? When? Oh do you mean when that dude said I was crying and I said "yeah I can see how that would come across that way." Or were you referring to some other criticism I seemed unable to handle?

Get off our nuts and learn to play

Don't we all play on our...umm....

Making up half the crap your saying and have no idea what your saying when both sacred members and more are backing what we are

Yeah if backing up Icon as being a huge clan that doesn't filter applicants very well, wonder who the spy is, and shooting our own members with our own cannon when 3 Reds attack our gatherers near our city.... :rolleyes:

U got gkicked deal with it and quit qq'ing I feel sorry for the clan that takes you in

Yep, I surely did get gkicked....but it wasn't until AFTER I said what I said on Page 3....so I don't think you can really imply I should quit QQ'ing because I was gkicked. I was kicked because YOU can't handle criticism. Ironically, doesn't the Icon webpage state taking criticism is a requirement to be in the clan? Har.

I'm sure some rp clans are recruiting look into it maybe they will nutcup you

/snoozers!

This happened thursday and your still crying

As I said previously,

"I just felt Aere needed to have it pointed out that while he placed so much emphasis publicly on what others should be embarrassed about, he needed a slap of reality as a reminder of his own embarrassments. I felt he chose the stage for how business is done by doing it on a public forum, and I took the opportunity to meet him on his stage. As I said it was put out there for scrutiny so that Icon can learn from the mistakes and be accountable for their own actions."

[SKLURB]

Never seen as many sissy gamers in my life.

No crap Aere...create a sissy clan and it will seem you are surrounded by sissies. You're surprised?

Talk is cheap

You would know! lol

[Malcan]

This is still going on?

Guys its all over. We didn't want that city anyways.

[Mossflower]

This was a thread started as a simple inquiry about sieges on NA-1, got turned around into a thread about the siege the other day, moved on to clans blaming eachother and pointing fingers, and now has devolved into petty bickering most of which has been instigated by a former member who did nothing to improve the situation he was obviously not happy with, and took no leadership position to try and help resolve it.

Icon has prided itself in taking in members new to the game, and has seen some great players starting to rise up once they get a hang of the game. Unfortunately some others have proved themselves to be a detriment to our clan's image, through their lack of ability to learn the game, their attitudes, or other reasons, and these members are being filtered out, and removed from the guild. Go ahead and point fingers and cry "zerg recruiters" but over the past weeks we have met some great friends, built a great city, and introduced many new players to the world of Darkfall.

I can certainly acknowledge some of this "anonymous" posters claims as being either true, or partially true, the most obvious being lack of response on defense. This is an issue that officers have been working hard on, and over the past week or so we have been finalizing a code of conduct, that must be agreed on my any member who wishes to remain in good standing in Icon, or join up with us in the future. This and other changes will be bringing a higher level of defense and quicker response times in these "pantie raid" situations, where a gank squad fully geared runs through our town killing nakeds and newbies, while our PvPers are sleeping or out raiding themselves.

If we had been as strict, with as high expectations as we are going to be having from here on out (once the code of conduct gets finalized) we would never have been able to retain the number or members we have, or been able to build our city as big as we have. Its hard enough getting started in this game without some asshole officer telling you you have to wear gear you know you are going to lose because you have not learned to defend yourself yet, and don't have anything to replace it with.

Now that people have had a chance to get acclimated, have gotten a good stockpile of gear together, and are developing their skills we are requiring more and more of our members, and this is showing through for sure. We are taking out a lot more raiders before they physics exploit bunny hop away from our city on mounts down the hill flaunting their "skills" (read: mob exploiting and macro abilities) and many guilds are much more wary of attempting to pantie raid us, or deciding not to do it at all.

There are most likely concerns I have not addressed with this post, but this is one of the issues I wanted to acknowledge, and one thing I wanted to make perfectly clear: Icon is trimming the fat. Kicking freeloaders, people who refuse to work together and communicate and as the members gain personal skill, and toon skill, you are going to see a whole lot less sheep, and a whole lot more wolves.

If anyone has any questions or concerns, about this or anything else pertaining to Icon in Darkfall, feel free to PM me on these forums or ingame (Jon Snow ingame), but if we could i would like to drop the finger pointing, name calling and whining.

See you on the battlefield,

Jon Snow

[Rhade]

Sorry if your feelings got hurt

Never seen as many sissy gamers in my life. Talk is cheap

So is an education.
Perhaps you should get one.

"Pro" has quite a few uses.

[Rhade]

Stuff

You know nothing, Jon Snow.






Please don't trash a great character by using it as an MMO name.
Thanks.

[Lexendros]

You know nothing, Jon Snow.






Please don't trash a great character by using it as an MMO name.
Thanks.

I was going to throw in my 2cents, but you pretty much summed it up with "stuff"

[Varcin]

This thread screams Savage Alliance.

[SKLURB]

This was a thread started as a simple inquiry about sieges on NA-1, got turned around into a thread about the siege the other day, moved on to clans blaming eachother and pointing fingers, and now has devolved into petty bickering most of which has been instigated by a former member who did nothing to improve the situation he was obviously not happy with, and took no leadership position to try and help resolve it.

Icon has prided itself in taking in members new to the game, and has seen some great players starting to rise up once they get a hang of the game. Unfortunately some others have proved themselves to be a detriment to our clan's image, through their lack of ability to learn the game, their attitudes, or other reasons, and these members are being filtered out, and removed from the guild. Go ahead and point fingers and cry "zerg recruiters" but over the past weeks we have met some great friends, built a great city, and introduced many new players to the world of Darkfall.

I can certainly acknowledge some of this "anonymous" posters claims as being either true, or partially true, the most obvious being lack of response on defense. This is an issue that officers have been working hard on, and over the past week or so we have been finalizing a code of conduct, that must be agreed on my any member who wishes to remain in good standing in Icon, or join up with us in the future. This and other changes will be bringing a higher level of defense and quicker response times in these "pantie raid" situations, where a gank squad fully geared runs through our town killing nakeds and newbies, while our PvPers are sleeping or out raiding themselves.

If we had been as strict, with as high expectations as we are going to be having from here on out (once the code of conduct gets finalized) we would never have been able to retain the number or members we have, or been able to build our city as big as we have. Its hard enough getting started in this game without some asshole officer telling you you have to wear gear you know you are going to lose because you have not learned to defend yourself yet, and don't have anything to replace it with.

Now that people have had a chance to get acclimated, have gotten a good stockpile of gear together, and are developing their skills we are requiring more and more of our members, and this is showing through for sure. We are taking out a lot more raiders before they physics exploit bunny hop away from our city on mounts down the hill flaunting their "skills" (read: mob exploiting and macro abilities) and many guilds are much more wary of attempting to pantie raid us, or deciding not to do it at all.

There are most likely concerns I have not addressed with this post, but this is one of the issues I wanted to acknowledge, and one thing I wanted to make perfectly clear: Icon is trimming the fat. Kicking freeloaders, people who refuse to work together and communicate and as the members gain personal skill, and toon skill, you are going to see a whole lot less sheep, and a whole lot more wolves.

If anyone has any questions or concerns, about this or anything else pertaining to Icon in Darkfall, feel free to PM me on these forums or ingame (Jon Snow ingame), but if we could i would like to drop the finger pointing, name calling and whining.

See you on the battlefield,

Jon Snow

See, this is why I like Jon. Honesty and accountability. A man with a positive plan. I can respect that even if you now hate me. People like Aere and the others should have just come here and said "you know, we all made mistakes regarding this situation and we plan to learn from them and this is what we are going to do to improve." If the other officers could take note and emulate Jon's strengths, Icon can significantly improve with the right attitude and follow through.

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[Chubbyjesus]

Im skipping around a little..

Lemme get this straight.

Insidious got attacked by Sacred.

Sacred snuggled Icon and CTA's nuts to win? Thought Icon was good enough to do something?

HIRED CTA? (420 EXGS Necro- aka some of the worst PvP guilds on NA)


This is so fail.. No wonder why Insidious didnt ask anybody for help against this obvious zerg.

WTG COA.

[Skullfukt]

Sacred snuggled Icon and CTA's nuts to win? Thought Icon was good enough to do something?

HIRED CTA? (420 EXGS Necro- aka some of the worst PvP guilds on NA)


This is so fail.. No wonder why Insidious didnt ask anybody for help against this obvious zerg.

WTG COA.

You're an idiot. It was SoN VS CTA.

Fucking lol @ you.

[Chuck Zitto]

If it helps you feel any better call to arms lost a good amount of people on there trip down to the hamlet. Im sure they got alot more resistance from passing through our lands than they did at the hamlet.