Darkfall Political Map [na1]

[Krush]

URL: http://darkfallinfo.com/pmap/

There you go, let me know if anyone finds any errors as I had to modify the scripts to get them to run on my host.

[Makestro]

about time

[Umberto]

Nice.

[Skullfukt]

Exodus syndicate trys to ruin it already! nice!

[McDoogs]

wow, classy exodus syndicate :rolleyes:

[LetterHAHA]

wow exodus syndicate do you think your good?:lmao:

[Barrack Orkbama]

Ohnoes our secret bases are found.

Hide!!!!

[McDoogs]

exodus syndicate won NA-1 already, game over, go home!

[LetterHAHA]

o to bad your plans of world domination were foiled exodus!

[Krush]

Whoever did that just joined the many others on the banlist, of not even being able to see the website.

[McDoogs]

Whoever did that just joined the many others on the banlist, of not even being able to see the website.

that'll show that bastard! df political map hosters aren't to be trifled with

[Nuc.Terrorist]

thanks for setting it up, even if im in eu i like to know whats going on in na

[Makestro]

exodus syndicate won NA-1 already, game over, go home!

yeah because the first week on EU-1 was dominated by who's owning it now... lol.

[McDoogs]

yeah because the first week on EU-1 was dominated by who's owning it now... lol.

You didn't get it.

[Makestro]

You didn't get it.

actually I did get it, your trolling is just stale.

[LetterHAHA]

actually I did get it, your trolling is just stale.

no im pretty sure u didnt

[Skullfukt]

Thanks again Krush. :)

[Raith36]

actually I did get it, your trolling is just stale.

Your just a little slow, its ok.

[Skullfukt]

Small error by the way. When viewing the map, if you click the update me button it will take it back to Urme's political site.

[Krush]

Small error by the way. When viewing the map, if you click the update me button it will take it back to Urme's political site.
Fixed.

[Mapi]

Just wondering, why did you choose to go with a diffrent map and diffrent icons/font?
The map on Urme looks really crisp and high quality and yours is really pixeled and low-quality.

Why not use the same map type?

[Krush]

Just wondering, why did you choose to go with a diffrent map and diffrent icons/font?
The map on Urme looks really crisp and high quality and yours is really pixeled and low-quality.

Why not use the same map type?
I changed the background map because I thought all that text drawn on it was cluttering it up, when we don't need to know the name of all the rivers or npcs cities. As far as the font and icons go, the font is the same one and so are the icons, the only difference is my host doesn't give me access to the same image generation function that Urme used, if they enable it later then i can easily flip a switch and it'll use the same as Urme.

[Marxon_VG]

Thank you for doing this.

[Dethdefied]

i just see the city names i dont see the names of the clans

[Iteroni]

i just see the city names i dont see the names of the clans

Wait for the next update and the confirmed ones will appear in there.

[fay2dumb]

They'll be up by tommorow.

[Majorleague]

great, good job man :D

[Skullfukt]

Latest update didn't update.

[Marxon_VG]

Latest update didn't update.

^This

Is there some reason it would not update? There weren't many changes with 10+ votes but still.

[Majorleague]

map has failed to update twice now :(

[whitebox]

URL: http://darkfallinfo.com/pmap/

There you go, let me know if anyone finds any errors as I had to modify the scripts to get them to run on my host.

Good work and thank you for doing this.

[Krush]

map has failed to update twice now :(
Yeah I noticed that let me look into it, maybe there's a bug Urme didn't know about.

[Krush]

Yeah I noticed that let me look into it, maybe there's a bug Urme didn't know about.
I just forced an update, it's my fault, even though that timer is counting down the cron job that does the updating wasn't running. I'll look into it, if it keeps failing I'll just manually force an update at the scheduled times until I see whats up.

[gotung]

I just forced an update, it's my fault, even though that timer is counting down the cron job that does the updating wasn't running. I'll look into it, if it keeps failing I'll just manually force an update at the scheduled times until I see whats up.

Are you running the cron job by placing a script/link in one of the cron.hourly/cron.daily folders?

If thats the case I've found in the past that scripts with a "." in the name like "script.pl" wouldn't fire. Rename to "script" and it will work.

[higach]

http://darkfallinfo.com/pmap/index.php?page=allianceinfo&id=1

This happens when you try to click on the shadow pact alliance under alliances.

[Krush]

http://darkfallinfo.com/pmap/index.php?page=allianceinfo&id=1

This happens when you try to click on the shadow pact alliance under alliances.
Fixed. I also fixed the automatic updates, which caused me (during my testing) to force several updates.

[Rupture1212]

Thank you very much for this =]

[Urme the Legend]

I know there is a bug that sometimes it will put in blank URL data into the database, I think this happens when it fails to upload the map to Imageshack.us, haven't had time to check into it

[ZtyX]

Lol!!

Thats awesome.. The Red Army. Hahaha...

Are they based on a soviet philosophy?

[Grimhawke[EB]]

Lol!!

Thats awesome.. The Red Army. Hahaha...

Are they based on a soviet philosophy?

Celiah Ailey lives?!?

[ZtyX]

;3647225']Celiah Ailey lives?!?

Yes. My plane is on the 17th of August. I'm coming back to play Darkfall again with you soon. :)

[Krush]

I know there is a bug that sometimes it will put in blank URL data into the database, I think this happens when it fails to upload the map to Imageshack.us, haven't had time to check into it
Yeah, it's if the imageshack upload fails. I modified the code and made it so if that happens it'll point to the local copy. It also points there if imageshack is taking more than 15 seconds to load. I might tweak that number later

[higach]

Looks like the map itself isn't updating. The Tenth was approved for Silmiyat and it even has their name next to it when you try to make a suggestion but it disappeared, says no changes made, and the map has it empty still.

I know there were 3-4 greens on holdings and when it updated they all disappeared and it said no changes this update.

[Krush]

The changes all went in, I was fixing something yesterday and did a few forced updates.

There also was a billing issue with godaddy that has been resolved now just waiting on the servers to all update and point back to my site.

[kelleherisgod]

Krush, you have the name of the alliance between UDA, DO, The Tenth and EB wrong. Dont know where that name even came from lol, but its wrong, they dont have an alliance name. If some1 is going to make 1 up for them, come up with a better one.

[Krush]

Krush, you have the name of the alliance between UDA, DO, The Tenth and EB wrong. Dont know where that name even came from lol, but its wrong, they dont have an alliance name. If some1 is going to make 1 up for them, come up with a better one.
I don't know I haven't been online since saturday when I fixed the domain issue. Anything that's on there was voted in by players.

[Chuck Zitto]

Agreed Bastage Block has to go. And whoever decided this name can we get there ingame name and clan so we can kill them for making such a retarted name.

[Krush]

Agreed Bastage Block has to go. And whoever decided this name can we get there ingame name and clan so we can kill them for making such a retarted name.
Don't know, all I see are the ips used.

[Draacco]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/834/politics.jpg

We are not allied with CTA or SoN.

[Krush]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/834/politics.jpg

We are not allied with CTA or SoN.
http://darkfallinfo.com/pmap/index.php

Vote up the no alliance suggestion.

[Draacco]

um no

Remove the errored post. :bang:

[MrDDT]

Looks like someone is spamming the map. Might want to block those IPs.

[Krush]

Looks like someone is spamming the map. Might want to block those IPs.
Looks like Evil Bastages based on the comments, we can all thank them for the 5 minutes of my life that is going to waste.

[Krush]

I rollled back the changes that were made putting The Tenth, The UnDeAd Army, The Shipwreck Pirates, and TOG into the alliance "The Red Army", I also deleted the Evil Bastage change to that alliance that seems to have been done by the same person.

[Maurizio]

is there something wrong with the site? Its not loading up for me.

[Iteroni]

is there something wrong with the site? Its not loading up for me.

Same.

[Krush]

Same.
The Las Vegas data center (http://www.lunarforums.com/lunarpages_web_hosting_server_informatio n/las_vegas_network-t53103.0.html) my host uses is having issues that are being worked on right now to get fixed.

[ChinaCat]

Ah, that explains why I can't load it.

Please remove the name "Bast Block" or whatever you came up with. The alliance name has no title at the moment, so just call it TBD (to be determined) if you need some thing.

[jpmoff]

He doesn't come up with the names... other people do it and well like the EB retards that started spamming the map with suggestions. Just make a suggestion and vote it up or down based on accuracy

[BlysterEB]

We already have a name for our alliance, it's BFTA.

[Krush]

Ah, that explains why I can't load it.

Please remove the name "Bast Block" or whatever you came up with. The alliance name has no title at the moment, so just call it TBD (to be determined) if you need some thing.
I didn't do the Bastage Block thing, I thought you guys did based on the name.

We already have a name for our alliance, it's BFTA.
And that's what it's set to on the site, it was BTFA because I didn't check it before I hit commit but it's correct now.

And btw the map is back up seems the issue was resolved.

[Bear68]

Can I be a different color besides light blue? Maybe flesh colored or brown nipple color?

[Zaffax]

We already have a name for our alliance, it's BFTA.

And what does that tand for? As is, I am having to call you the Best friends there after alliance until I know an actual name.

[jpmoff]

My guess Big Fat Turd Alliance and thus why Bear wants a Brownish color?

[Krush]

I just made a lot of changes to the way the system is stored in the database in preparation for my upcoming player clan tracking system that will be tied into it, let me know if anyone encounters any errors.

[Zaffax]

Just checked the alliances and *gasp* Hyperion is back. :ohno: Maybe Gluttony will return to save us.:p

[OminousHorseman]

blackrock orcs are part of cairnivors alliance

[Krush]

Can anyone make suggestions on the map for the owners of these hamlets:

Issar Ruins
Inmak
Sandstone
Elish
Quarendel

[ShawnyStyle]

Can anyone make suggestions on the map for the owners of these hamlets:

Issar Ruins
Inmak
Sandstone
Elish
Quarendel

apparently EB owns them all

[BlysterEB]

Again, whoever messed with the map this time, it wasn't EB. First of all, we already got Krush as good as he can be gotten (click our guild link at the bottom & check out our Hall of Fame section), & second, why the fuck would we put our own guild name? We have nothing against the DF community, only Mr. Importance.

Clearly someone is trying to get the server upset with us. And Geee, I wonder who dislikes us enough to want that. Maybe someone who thinks they're very important? But because they obviously can't fight their own fights, they need to beg others to do it for them?

[jpmoff]

Elish is owned by Knights of the General.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4521/elish.jpg

[Krush]

I believe I got all the changes that needed to be reverted, since I cleared the banlist in the last major changes to the website I can not confirm who did it this time, it appears to have been 3 people again, though they couldn't do much with the extra stuff i added to somewhat prevent this type of thing.

[DrRuckus]

Apparently EB is not allowed to change from or to or add anything to the map. Every couple days I go and make a request and every time it is removed from the voting section.

If this is how this map is going to be run can we please have this thread unstickied from the top of the forum? If it is not a player driven map and if someone has a hidden agenda *cough Krush* against certain guilds or people. There really is no point in using this as a tool of any sort for the general populace.

Krush can keep it for his own personal use and can giggle over how awesome he thinks he is.

[Krush]

Apparently EB is not allowed to change from or to or add anything to the map. Every couple days I go and make a request and every time it is removed from the voting section.

If this is how this map is going to be run can we please have this thread unstickied from the top of the forum? If it is not a player driven map and if someone has a hidden agenda *cough Krush* against certain guilds or people. There really is no point in using this as a tool of any sort for the general populace.

Krush can keep it for his own personal use and can giggle over how awesome he thinks he is.
You do realize votes that do not get voted up within 24 hours are removed by the system right? I haven't done anything to the site or the database since the last assault on it. Even some of my guys are suggesting changes to the unclaimed hamlets that hit the 24 hour timeout and are removed.

[DrRuckus]

I know how the map works. Which is why I am complaining. When I add something and it disappears w/i a couple hours. Someone is obviously forcing the issue.

[Krush]

I know how the map works. Which is why I am complaining. When I add something and it disappears w/i a couple hours. Someone is obviously forcing the issue.
Maybe it was up voted then and went through in the update. And if not please look for any errors while submitting it and check to see if it disappears during an update, because it's likely there might be a bug causing suggestions to be removed prematurely, since I did change a bunch of the back-end code a while back.

[Lord_Octopus]

EB once again sticking their nose where it does not belong.

Krush is a highly respected DF community member and yes he has made mistakes in the past but it is clear to see this is just a tool to help the community.

Buzz Off eb.

[corpus]

EB once again sticking their nose where it does not belong.

Krush is a highly respected DF community member and yes he has made mistakes in the past but it is clear to see this is just a tool to help the community.

Buzz Off eb.

erm, why do you guys think this is still an effective trolling tool when you already revealed that this was an EB alias?

[Krush]

erm, why do you guys think this is still an effective trolling tool when you already revealed that this was an EB alias?
Because they are idiots, they could have at least tried using a name that was actually in the clan at some point, instead of making one up and pulling art made by a long time member from the art page of the site.

[Kajjirr]

erm, why do you guys think this is still an effective trolling tool when you already revealed that this was an EB alias?

Those guys are just big dumb dumbs.

[Majorleague]

oh great, the bullshit is starting up again :bang:

[Krush]

oh great, the bullshit is starting up again :bang:
Confirmed to be false changes? I'll rollback them if so.

[DwarvenRampage]

they got something wrong there I tried to suggest but Cairn doesn't own Kryzerok.

[Krush]

Just found a bug when I was fixing the graffiti that was deleting changes during updates even if they weren't past the time limit for the suggestion. So it should be working now so they'll be up for the full duration of their time limit unless up voted.

[Krush]

Just found a bug when I was fixing the graffiti that was deleting changes during updates even if they weren't past the time limit for the suggestion. So it should be working now so they'll be up for the full duration of their time limit unless up voted.
Nevermind I didn't actually fix it, but now it should be fixed, and no longer prematurely delete the changes.

[ShawnyStyle]

Sorry to say but this map has been hopelessly out of date for weeks. Allowing anyone to make changes is like handing haiji the keys to a bus full of jewish preschoolers.

*perhaps only allowing a select few trusted persons the ability to make instant updates would result in more accuracy*

[Enticle]

Sorry to say but this map has been hopelessly out of date for weeks. Allowing anyone to make changes is like handing haiji the keys to a bus full of jewish preschoolers.

*perhaps only allowing a select few trusted persons the ability to make instant updates would result in more accuracy*

This. The map is looking really fucked up now.

[fstatus]

So... much... pink!

[HippieOnLSD]

I didn't do it this time, I only did it the first time... despite the new alliance name "Empire of Hippie". I must have a big fan!

[ChinaCat]

Sorry to say but this map has been hopelessly out of date for weeks. Allowing anyone to make changes is like handing haiji the keys to a bus full of jewish preschoolers.

*perhaps only allowing a select few trusted persons the ability to make instant updates would result in more accuracy*

That's a good idea. If it continues as is, it's useless.

[Dread OG]

Why do you have two alliances with pink, very close shades so you would think they are one alliance...and right next to each other.

[Bromlin]

Why do you have two alliances with pink, very close shades so you would think they are one alliance...and right next to each other.
One of those is fake I think.

I will be visiting every city soon and trying to help update the map, if I find anything.

[Synik]

Who ever is running the political map needs to give only SG's access to the map or have in game heralds they can trust. It is completely useless these days!

[Synik]

One of those is fake I think.

I will be visiting every city soon and trying to help update the map, if I find anything.

good luck dude, there are people out there at just do things to the map to fuck it up. At best this is a good guide to city names and locations :)

[Bromlin]

Who ever is running the political map needs to give only SG's access to the map or have in game heralds they can trust. It is completely useless these days!
I am trying to help fix it. I started most of those changes to change everyone to no alliance.(sorry for the duplicate octopus one, didnt see it when I looked the first time)

[Bromlin]

I voted no that arsenal changed to shadow pact. I do not think they did. I do not know about the Necromongers.

[Satan_Ace]

I voted no that arsenal changed to shadow pact. I do not think they did. I do not know about the Necromongers.

arsenal did...they were with eb and eb did.

[MAD-DUKE]

arsenal did...they were with eb and eb did.

It was a temporary alignment, that is now over.

[Bromlin]

I went by Issar Ruins last night. Berserker Syndicate does own it. I voted yes, I am not sure why people are voting no for this.

[HamsterofDoom]

Apex just got kicked from their alliance in Don't Fuck With Ahmed.

They are serial ganking Apex members bound in Hi Ton city... sigh. :bang:

The whole alliance may come apart at the seams pretty quick. I mean, let's be honest - Nexus controls two points in Ruby, and they only has 4 members!

[HamsterofDoom]

"Don't Fuck With Ahmed" has held together with the loss of Apex and has to deal with the Red Army excursion (into Apex's city and hamlet this early morning at server up.)

Please note: Ramlaji & Mohera are currently under Red Army control.

[fay2dumb]

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[Bromlin]

I do not know why the shipwrecked pirates are voting no about being part of the shadow pact alliance? They have always been part of that allaince from the start(and from EU server).

I did not start this on the political map. I figured they were allready marked as being in that alliance from the beginning.(I did vote yes though)

[MAD-DUKE]

I do not know why the shipwrecked pirates are voting no about being part of the shadow pact alliance? They have always been part of that allaince from the start(and from EU server).

If alliances never change from the start of a server, then why even have a voting system at all on the political map?

[Spawl]

I do not know why the shipwrecked pirates are voting no about being part of the shadow pact alliance? They have always been part of that allaince from the start(and from EU server).

I did not start this on the political map. I figured they were allready marked as being in that alliance from the beginning.(I did vote yes though)

If alliances never change from the start of a server, then why even have a voting system at all on the political map?

Thars a reason fer the bunch of no votes.

[Bromlin]

If alliances never change from the start of a server, then why even have a voting system at all on the political map?

Well, I never expected the Shadow Pact alliance to change. But I guess it is since that vote. (also the map page never had shipwrecked pirates in any alliance it looks like)

Sorry if i voted wrong on that one.(I do not vote on everything btw, just things I think I know alittle about hehe)

[HamsterofDoom]

RAGE just dropped the SoN alliance, the screen was full of them declaring the members of SoN "Neutral". The good news is, now the RAGE hamlets are open for the taking!

[Bromlin]

Some dumb ass has been messing with the map looks like(probably more then 1). The maps only use right now is to see where the cities and hamlets are. I voted no for those new changes that say something about the map being a joke.

Maybe the update time needs to be longer, so there is time to somehow throw out changes that are wrong(maybe a day or 2?).

[Krush]

Please let me know which changes made it through that were false. I already banned the three people that decided to create fake alliances and put people in them. So when they come back in a year after the ban is lifted maybe they'll play nice.

[HamsterofDoom]

Krush, it's been confirmed:
Custodis Silenti is a new owner of Mohera (hamlet)
Section Eight is a new owner of Ymennek (city)
Weapons of Mass Destruction is a new owner of Hal'Kali (city)

I was on last night, helping seige some of these locations, and watching others be switched back and forth. DFA is solidifying their hold on Ruby, and placing active clans in the placeholder hamlets and cities.

[Lippie on Crack]

Pretty sure EB is taking Tugri tonight..I'll keep ya posted!

Long live Krush!!! King of the MAPS!

[HamsterofDoom]

On a minor note: it appears that The Dark Legion has recreated their guild - now known as Bag O'Dicks. As well, I can confirm that WMD is indeed DFA, lol. Mostly, cause I was in their city, defending last night.

[HamsterofDoom]

Krush, it looks like someone has spammed the voting process, and is trying to push through a lot of false information. If it is positive, the likelihood is that is false... :)

[Chuck Zitto]

Damn its fun to come in here and see which alliance my clan is in and what cities we own. Looks like were gonna be The Fire Nation today. Must be cus we spit hot fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9lg6HqJeY0

[Miira]

lol, Bleeding Vag. At least the map isn't totally orange anymore.

[Krush]

The IPs causing the issue were all banned, and the changes rolled back. I also deleted the offensive alliance names. Can someone tell me if this Gettin Hi alliance is a real alliance or more spam?

[Mr. President]

The IPs causing the issue were all banned, and the changes rolled back. I also deleted the offensive alliance names. Can someone tell me if this Gettin Hi alliance is a real alliance or more spam?

It appears to be the name for 420 and friends right now, hard to say if it's real or not without asking them.

[Grimben]

It appears to be the name for 420 and friends right now, hard to say if it's real or not without asking them.

It's not important. Krush doesnt care if alliances really exist or what they call themselves (if anything).

[jpmoff]

Krush the alliance listings are all screwed.. thanks to retards prolly from Vahalla (an assumption on my part.. it could also be the old EB retards at work again) lumping groups of guilds into alliances that don't exist.

[Krush]

It's not important. Krush doesnt care if alliances really exist or what they call themselves (if anything).
What? I just want the map to be correct.

Krush the alliance listings are all screwed.. thanks to retards prolly from Vahalla (an assumption on my part.. it could also be the old EB retards at work again) lumping groups of guilds into alliances that don't exist.
Which ones are wrong?

[jpmoff]

TSP, Malice, Fear Inc. Are not allied with 420/EB so they are not apart of the Gettin Hi alliance.

Black Watch is now in Vahalla.
The Mooninites are in Vahalla.

[Krush]

TSP, Malice, Fear Inc. Are not allied with 420/EB so they are not apart of the Gettin Hi alliance.

Black Watch is now in Vahalla.
The Mooninites are in Vahalla.
Is Gettin Hi even a valid alliance?

[jpmoff]

Yea.. dunno if that's the actual name they want/will use but ya

[Jegeroks]

TSP, Malice, Fear Inc. Are not allied with 420/EB so they are not apart of the Gettin Hi alliance.

Black Watch is now in Vahalla.
The Mooninites are in Vahalla.

TSP, Malice, FEAR Inc, and Dead Rabbits are our own alliance.

[Majorleague]

Custodis Silenti owns Sandstone, i just ran there to see whats built and noticed they owned it.

sidenote: thanks for the City and Hamlet Apollo ;)

[Krush]

Ok I updated the site again, and once again removed all the graffiti added to the site.

Changes recently made to the map:


2009-10-05 (v1.22)
------------------
* Minimum of 2 members to show up on the map.
* Restricting alliance names to 30 characters in length.
* Alliances now all have associated abbreviations.
* Alliance abbreviations have a max length of 5 characters.
* Map image now uses the abbreviations for alliances instead of the name to prevent text overlapping.
* Suggestion limit is set back down to 5 due to all the recent graffiti.
* Front page now shows abbreviation with alliance name to help with association.
* All alliances were given temporary abbreviations until they ask to have them changed.


If you don't like the abbreviation I gave your alliance, please contact me and I will change it if the requested abbreviation isn't used.

[Krush]

Just fixed the error with abbreviations not being correctly saved when submitting a new alliance.

[PeonisFury]

PTA [Pink Triangle Alliance] is a new alliance, they're a conglomerate of the entire southern half of Agon.

vote yes for Truth.
http://darkfallinfo.com/pmap/index.php

[Saurcon]

Krush, I think you're map got totally jacked, go check it out. It's hilarious.

[Krush]

Krush, I think you're map got totally jacked, go check it out. It's hilarious.
Is "Shenanigans" valid or bogus alliance?

[Krush]

Is "Shenanigans" valid or bogus alliance?
I fixed and banned the IPs of the obviously fake alliances / changes.

[Walking Target]

Anyone know who owns Issar Ruins currently?

Also, how can we get disbanded clans deleted and removed from alliances? The change I suggested never showed up.

[Graktor]

Bunch of fake suggestions have been going in the past few days..

Weapons of Mass Destruction, and UnDead Army are not Carnivores, they are DFWA (Don't Fuck with Achmed)

[Dasea]

Bunch of fake suggestions have been going in the past few days..

Weapons of Mass Destruction, and UnDead Army are not Carnivores, they are DFWA (Don't Fuck with Achmed)

see now you're just splitting hairs.
100% siege pact is the definition of ally.

[Graktor]

see now you're just splitting hairs.
100% siege pact is the definition of ally.

Really? Go make a thread about it. They are not allied, they just have a siege pact. They still raid eachothers cities, just no asset damage.

[Dasea]

Really? Go make a thread about it. They are not allied, they just have a siege pact. They still raid eachothers cities, just no asset damage.

It's a political map. Not an in-game ally fakness map. Politically, they are allied, therefore the information is not false. See how that works?
political maps don't exist for raiding, they exist for global information, and for sieging information. In those contexts these two alliance are actually one.
Just because you want it to be seperate doesn't mean it is.

[Graktor]

It's a political map. Not an in-game ally fakness map. Politically, they are allied, therefore the information is not false. See how that works?
political maps don't exist for raiding, they exist for global information, and for sieging information. In those contexts these two alliance are actually one.
Just because you want it to be seperate doesn't mean it is.

They are not allied, and helping each other during sieges doesn't mean they are, god damn dude.

[Dasea]

They are not allied, and helping each other during sieges doesn't mean they are, god damn dude.

see now you're not even making a bit of sense...holy fuck.
Alright, once it's added to the map *siege allies* then it can be updated that way. Until then this is the most accurate context for it to exist in. And with the rate it's being done, I'd say this isnt a random troll messing with you, I'd say it's everyone on the server fucking tired of people claiming not to be allied.

[Graktor]

see now you're not even making a bit of sense...holy fuck.
Alright, once it's added to the map *siege allies* then it can be updated that way. Until then this is the most accurate context for it to exist in. And with the rate it's being done, I'd say this isnt a random troll messing with you, I'd say it's everyone on the server fucking tired of people claiming not to be allied.

They are their own alliance, but they choose to help each other.

I guess we can put Blood + Friends in TRA, yes? No, we can't TRA chooses to help them siege Ruby, doesn't mean they are allies. I'm sure Blood would come to help TRA if TRA asked. They are friends, and that is it. You are losing this arguement, please find a valid argument next time. This is also not the place to argue with me.

[Dasea]

They are their own alliance, but they choose to help each other.

I guess we can put Blood + Friends in TRA, yes? No, we can't TRA chooses to help them siege Ruby, doesn't mean they are allies. I'm sure Blood would come to help TRA if TRA asked. They are friends, and that is it. You are losing this arguement, please find a valid argument next time. This is also not the place to argue with me.


tra helped out blood...once that I know of...
Ruby and cairn have had their clans literally allyign and unallying each other for months, NEVER show up to sieges without the other, and my proof is that dfwa even still exists, it wouldnt happen without cairn.

[Graktor]

tra helped out blood...once that I know of...
Ruby and cairn have had their clans literally allyign and unallying each other for months, NEVER show up to sieges without the other, and my proof is that dfwa even still exists, it wouldnt happen without cairn.

Friends help eachother, doesn't mean they are married.

[Suncross]

I think the term you all are looking for is nut cup.

[Hekkr]

Would be nice if Krush could rewind it back the way it should be.

[Squeegee]

The fact that DFwA can't do anything without Cairn holding thier cocks, makes it pretty obvious that they are really just one alliance.

[Fastolf]

They are their own alliance, but they choose to help each other.

I guess we can put Blood + Friends in TRA, yes? No, we can't TRA chooses to help them siege Ruby, doesn't mean they are allies. I'm sure Blood would come to help TRA if TRA asked. They are friends, and that is it. You are losing this arguement, please find a valid argument next time. This is also not the place to argue with me.
Hi, WMD talks to Sinister constantly through Clan Alliance chat, DfwA and Cairnivores show up to every siege together, they're bound to each others cities in both siege and non-siege situations , they hand runes to each others cities both in sieges and outside of them, DfwA clans have a history of being told to avoid hostilities with Cairn, and they use Clan Alliance chat to trade with each other.

If you're going to ignore all that and come up with a new excuse such as "dey liv farr awey lolz, dey izn't alys lulz", there's probably no point in arguing with you at all.

EDIT: NEW and Arsenal are the only clans that shouldn't be added. I saw they got the green light earlier.

[Hekkr]

Hi, WMD talks to Sinister constantly through Clan Alliance chat, DfwA and Cairnivores show up to every siege together, they're bound to each others cities in both siege and non-siege situations , they hand runes to each others cities both in sieges and outside of them, DfwA clans have a history of being told to avoid hostilities with Cairn, and they use Clan Alliance chat to trade with each other.

If you're going to ignore all that and come up with a new excuse such as "dey liv farr awey lolz, dey izn't alys lulz", there's probably no point in arguing with you at all.

EDIT: NEW and Arsenal are the only clans that shouldn't be added. I saw they got the green light earlier.

There is a total of ONE clan allied to the Cairn alliance. OH SHIT. NOT 1 OMFG.

[lanigav]

WTF rairn is not truly one alliance or did I miss something?

I think WMD may have allied one or maybe two cairn guilds but they are the only ones on ruby that did...can anyone confirm this? Preferably not TRA trolls.

[Graktor]

I saw someone else ally up with sinister last night, so..

screw you guys for being right. :(

[Tenebrion]

NEW (obviously) isn't Cairn Alliance. wtb Fix, pst.

[lanigav]

Dude sorry your site is getting Trolled at the moment. That is BS someone takes time to put up a good informative site and we have fucktards on there spamming walmart is taking over the world and that half the server is in Cairn.

To the TRA fags and whoever else is doing this... GDIAF

[Suncross]

Looks like forum fall is sieging :/

[a jackalope]

looks like Cairn has its zerglings trying to discredit the political map

[Fastolf]

I saw someone else ally up with sinister last night, so..

screw you guys for being right. :(
That's alright, daddy Fastolf is always right. Now I'm going to have to give you a spanking.

[Suncross]

I suppose we have to rule them out since they just put up calfardar lol

[Tiak]

Goodnight sweet politicalmap.

[Daggoth]

Yeah, serious vandalism going on.

[Dasea]

honestly here, I think dfwa becoming cairn was everyone on the server, not even just tra. Walmart I think was probably done by cairn to turn it into falsehood and get everything reset, like they wanted even though the old way was the truth...

Grats you guys, you fucked with the map into making it invalid, way to go you rubivores.

[Krush]

Take the political argument to another thread please. I've rolled back the last couple days worth of changes, deleted multiple offensive alliances, banned ips involved, and got rid of all those Walmart changes.

I'm currently trying to think of a new method of obtaining the changes, if anyone has suggestions let me know.

[Bear68]

Only way you'll ever get a true map is to ask for SS's of SG's allies list or have the data available in the journal as public knowledge.

[Tiak]

At least for holdings, changes could be made such that when the map crawls through clan pages (when it gets its member counts and clan list) it checks the clan empire stats.

Also: Throw in a simple proxy detection script. Don't let them vote if javascript is off, or the IP an ajax request returns is different from the remote address php initially had. Most of the vandalism happened through proxies I'd wager.

[JakobDF]

Take the political argument to another thread please. I've rolled back the last couple days worth of changes, deleted multiple offensive alliances, banned ips involved, and got rid of all those Walmart changes.

I'm currently trying to think of a new method of obtaining the changes, if anyone has suggestions let me know.

Hey Krush, thanks for actually taking the time to keep this map up and somewhat accurate, despite the graffiti.

[Walking Target]

I would recruit trusted people from the forums to keep the map up to date and only allow them to have access to change things. I don't know how much work is involved in adding user accounts to the site, but that would allow for accountability. ie. Allow trusted players to modify the map, but keep a hidden record of who changed what so you can kick those who are trying to use it for their own agenda. Making sure people register with their forum or in game name would also help.

I have handled wikis this way before that suffered from constant vandalism. It works quite well. 10 active contributors can get a lot done.

[kyleivanblake]

Take the political argument to another thread please. I've rolled back the last couple days worth of changes, deleted multiple offensive alliances, banned ips involved, and got rid of all those Walmart changes.

I'm currently trying to think of a new method of obtaining the changes, if anyone has suggestions let me know.


How about drawing information from IG data...

[BlueOreo]

This map has become useless.

Why don't you elect 5-10 trusted people who are in the know, politically, on the NA-1 server? That way you won't have the constant disruption. Pick some trolls to do it from every major faction. I'm sure they'd be happy to.

[Tenebrion]

Stinks of Goon Squad to me. If not them, then whoever's pulling the bullshit is equally as juvenile.

[TheVillageIdiot]

add a login or ip address autentication. I think it uses cookie authentication now.

[Tiak]

add a login or ip address autentication. I think it uses cookie authentication now.

It only allows one unique vote per IP, cookies are just used graphically.

[Krush]

I'm working on a new setup that would almost completely remove the need for players to submit holding changes on the map, as well as additional information such as the Diplomacy for each clan, no eta yet.

[Krush]

I'm working on a new setup that would almost completely remove the need for players to submit holding changes on the map, as well as additional information such as the Diplomacy for each clan, no eta yet.
I've gotten the new setup halfway finished. I'm debating if I should include the Villages and Sea Towers in this new version (would not include them on the map image, to prevent clutter).

I think I'll completely remove the suggesting holding changes when this goes live, but leave in the alliance stuff, so you can all go hog wild on that, with one small change I'll add in clan pages so you can see the ACTUAL diplomacy of the clan (granted any pre-existing diplomacy would have to be volunteered by each clan, but all future political changes would be recorded).

[Swiftguard]

I think I'll completely remove the suggesting holding changes when this goes live, but leave in the alliance stuff, so you can all go hog wild on that, with one small change I'll add in clan pages so you can see the ACTUAL diplomacy of the clan (granted any pre-existing diplomacy would have to be volunteered by each clan, but all future political changes would be recorded).

Sorry, I'm confused - what's the point if holdings won't change ownership on the map? There is at least one holding that is out of date from last weekend that I know of.

[Alaron NeX]

You can't suggest any more changes atm Krush. Is that intentional?

[CoolDan]

Yea theres a couple holdings that need updating on the map

[Krush]

Sorry, I'm confused - what's the point if holdings won't change ownership on the map? There is at least one holding that is out of date from last weekend that I know of.

You can't suggest any more changes atm Krush. Is that intentional?

Yea theres a couple holdings that need updating on the map
Apologizes the issue is fixed now.

[Foodstamp]

I think I'll completely remove the suggesting holding changes when this goes live, but leave in the alliance stuff, so you can all go hog wild on that, with one small change I'll add in clan pages so you can see the ACTUAL diplomacy of the clan (granted any pre-existing diplomacy would have to be volunteered by each clan, but all future political changes would be recorded).

If you can get this to work it would be AMAZING. I am so tired of zerg clans (OTG, Dusk, CotC) being able to manipulate the map to show/hide alliances and/or numbers.

Just wondering though.. would not this same mechanism work for population centers?

[Krush]

If you can get this to work it would be AMAZING. I am so tired of zerg clans (OTG, Dusk, CotC) being able to manipulate the map to show/hide alliances and/or numbers.

Just wondering though.. would not this same mechanism work for population centers?
Still working out the kinks of the diplomacy stuff, but the data has been being recorded for a week or 2 now.

Here's a sneak peek you can look at my clans stuff (http://darkfallinfo.com/pmap/index.php?page=claninfo&uid=0x80be6fbb). There are obviously still bugs in the system, and I'm still recovering from being sick so give me a few days, and the diplomacy stuff should be all handled. Then I'll put in the challenge countdown timers, and the automatic submitting holding changes/forcing them to be approved immediately.

That would cut out the need for submissions of holding changes, and I could make it regenerate a new map if a holding is taken, and let it continue it's normal 6 hour archiving.

EDIT:
after all the changes are in I think we can go ahead and call the map version 2.0

[Krush]

Just fixed a bug that was leaving dead clans (clans who no longer have members or are otherwise not found in the game anymore) in alliances with no way to vote them out. Now when it updates the clans it'll simply remove them automatically. Also they aren't going to display on the clan list anymore.

[bartillo]

well i was playing around and i tried to make a new alliance.. well you cant pick the color..

Like when you click the color and you see them all under suggest new alliance nothing happens.. and if you copy you cant paste in the color thing.. like its impossible to change the color which makes it where you cant suggest a new alliance.

Just saying so you know its bugged.

[Weeber]

well i was playing around and i tried to make a new alliance.. well you cant pick the color..

Like when you click the color and you see them all under suggest new alliance nothing happens.. and if you copy you cant paste in the color thing.. like its impossible to change the color which makes it where you cant suggest a new alliance.

Just saying so you know its bugged.

This

[Krush]

well i was playing around and i tried to make a new alliance.. well you cant pick the color..

Like when you click the color and you see them all under suggest new alliance nothing happens.. and if you copy you cant paste in the color thing.. like its impossible to change the color which makes it where you cant suggest a new alliance.

Just saying so you know its bugged.
This
I'm looking into that, but I didn't change anything recently so I don't know what would be affecting it, might not get fixed until the weekend though as I am away on business.

[CaptainObvious]

Any update on a fix for the color picker?

[Krush]

Any update on a fix for the color picker?
Fixed.

[CoolDan]

Just wondering if we could get a color change between MEN and CA. I don't know if it was intentional, but I foresee confusion.

[TenLoves]

Also seems like NF and DR have the same color now. One of them should change to red or brown or w/e :)

[Krush]

If you haven't already seen Urme's post in the EU1 political map thread, I'll just repost it here. He clued me into this a bit ago.

The devs have apparently compressed the data on the clan pages to the point now that we can't get update the clan list or the player counts of clans until one of us finds a way around this.

[Krush]

We're back in business here's a repost as the code fix I got came from Urme:

AV are now compressing all data in the XML files.. but with help from Agdam Shadowmelded in Aesir we wrote a pretty simple function to uncompress again!

I hope AV didn't do it to screw with me But I think they save bandwidth this way probably.

Anyway, it should be up and running again, currently doing an update to see if everything works as supposed.

[Krush]

NA1 now has the activity thing that Urme added to EU1.

I'm still working on the siege timer thing. And the semi-automation of suggesting changes.

[Krush]

Added in pretty pie charts to display the races/ranks/genders. Here's an example (http://darkfallinfo.com/pmap/index.php?page=claninfo&uid=0x80be6fbb).

[Dwarf Anater]

nice work man

[Krush]

2010-02-05 (v1.26)
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* Added pie charts to display the data on the clan pages.
* Added alignment to the statistics for a clan.
* Added (show/hide) button to make easier viewing of clan pages.
* Changing the activity timeframe from 4 days to 1 week.
* Adding in some scripts to be able to sort tables without reloading the webpage.
* Changed the database to make the pages load faster that are displaying clans/alliances.
* Having the history page copy the clan page history as far as formatting.

Latest update.

[Tiak]

Might I ask that clan history lookup (for a given player name) be added to the todo list? The now-defunct Tradefall had this, and as you're now grabbing records in the same detail, it doesn't seem like it'd be that huge of a hassle.

[Krush]

Sorry I was trying to work on the map to add the challenge timers while being a little stressed out and I noticed a bug with the ids for older clans and when fixing it I think I lost a few changes.

I'm sure people can submit changes to correct the missing changes.

[Krush]

I think the challenge timers are working, but I can't know for sure unless a clan being currently challenged checks them.

[Draus]

anyone else notice there are a lot of white dots and city's without owners xD

[Veldern]

How does the activity monitor work? It says that I'm not active and I play almost every day :D

[Alaron NeX]

Not updating. Fix please love the challenge timers though.

[BlueOreo]

New map is so awesome...

[Krush]

Hang on I'll manually fix it, this is related to the bug with how ids are generated for clans I had mentioned before.

[Krush]

I believe it's all fixed, you can all now go suggest changes to fix the alliance stuff

[Krush]

Here is how the activity monitor for the political map works.

First there are 4 updates of clans/players per day, they are 30 minutes after the map updates.

Players are marked as active if any of the following have changed for them in the last 7 days between one of the updates:

clan
clan rank
alignment
race
gender


I'm told alignment defaults on the pages back to +10 during maintenance and is corrected when you login, which is why I added the new update that happens hopefully right after maintenance before people can login and get their alignment updated.

The one kind of player that this system will most likely mark as inactive incorrectly is a player with +10 alignment who doesn't every kill blues to lose alignment.

[Zarithas]

The siege timer chart in particular is infinitely helpful. Awesome work.

[Krush]

The siege timer chart in particular is infinitely helpful. Awesome work.
It's still being worked on you'll see multiple timers during sieges as I don't have making sure the stuff isn't the same timer.

And obviously if my account pulling the data is unable to login the timers won't be accurate.

[Zarithas]

Why don't you just have someone's character on a computer running 24/7 that checks to see if Darkfall is running, and if it isn't, tries to connect to login and connect to it? Seems to me that would be very easy to script compared to all the data you've been gathering.

[Krush]

Why don't you just have someone's character on a computer running 24/7 that checks to see if Darkfall is running, and if it isn't, tries to connect to login and connect to it? Seems to me that would be very easy to script compared to all the data you've been gathering.
That's what is happening, but I was simply saying if my internet drops out, power goes out, etc. The information flow would stop until it was fixed.

[Darkwish]

Lol at the activity thing, says im active while my total gametime in the last month is around 10-20 minutes total ingame...

[jdlamson75]

Just want to give my regards and thanks for setting up and maintaining this whole deal. First thing I do in the morning before heading off to the work grind, first thing I do when I get home - I check out the map. Good job.

[Zarithas]

Lol at the activity thing, says im active while my total gametime in the last month is around 10-20 minutes total ingame...
Yeah, the activity thing seems to be totally off.

[KuraM]

IMO the yourmom map should incorporate NA poli map as well, should work on doing that imo.

[Zarithas]

The siege timers seem to be duplicating themselves for some reason, at different times.

[Krush]

The siege timers seem to be duplicating themselves for some reason, at different times.
Still a work in progress, expect no further progress on them until next week at least as I'm out of town for a funeral.

[Isac]

IMO the yourmom map should incorporate NA poli map as well, should work on doing that imo.

That's definitely our goal, I have already send nice offer to Krush ;)

[Wes Furtive]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Sick Bastards is part of Turtles.

Knights of Terror and Knights of Blue Sky are their own little alliance.

Dark Hand of Valor is not allied to either of the above clans. They are their own alliance living out of Apautan and Ichtan.

[Ragnarok Delrhe]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Sick Bastards is part of Turtles.

Knights of Terror and Knights of Blue Sky are their own little alliance.

Dark Hand of Valor is not allied to either of the above clans. They are their own alliance living out of Apautan and Ichtan.

SB's been kicked from Turtles for a week or so

[Weeber]

Hey Krush, Owl Exterminators are no longer part of Non-Factor, we left when NME left.

However we don't have enough members to get the vote to pass and since we are in fact nonfactors in term people like to vote it down.

If you could change it be nice, don't wanna be associated with people like Terrorize.

[Krush]

US1 Political Map is now supporting the YourMom map by supplying it with political data.