Republicans: Hunger Can Be A Positive Motivator

[StrawberryClock]

So I was watching Colbert Report and heard of this. (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.hip-hop/browse_thread/thread/68c9970d0923db9f)

Apparently, hunger will make little Jimmy go to Harvard, and little Suzy to the kitchen and rearing the kids.(In the spirit of the Theocons, this is the ideal world for her)

[Scully]

A gun can be a real motivator, but it won't make her grow a brain any faster.

[Hubbell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4teq7aKTNJ4

[generic_user]

Good. Time for the poor to get off their asses and start contributing.

I can say this, because I am just about as poor as you can get in a civilized country.

[dinkfall]

Poor people contribute by eating at McDonalds and working at McDonalds. Just keep doing that.

[Empty Pockets]

any negative influence on a kid during their formative years can lead them to succeed, giving them a drive to be better
it could also lead them to be a serial killer, or a criminal, or just a defeatist failure, but whateva

[StainlessSteelRat]

So I was watching Colbert Report and heard of this. (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.hip-hop/browse_thread/thread/68c9970d0923db9f)

Apparently, hunger will make little Jimmy go to Harvard, and little Suzy to the kitchen and rearing the kids.(In the spirit of the Theocons, this is the ideal world for her)

Yeah, that's exactly what she said........

Stupid comment for a politician? Yes. False statement? Not really.

[DoveAlexa]

You can't really prove that anyone can be motivated anyways. People only do as much as they have to, and maybe less. Sure if the only option is to work they'll do it, but they'll do whatever they'd rather do first, mooch, steal, unemployment insurance or whatever your country has, etc. I'm not too fond of feeding other people by raising taxes, I'd like to make it easier to let everyone afford to eat by cutting them =\.

[StainlessSteelRat]

3.7 million meals at a total cost of less than $9.5 million last

Not to mention, do the math. What a fucking waste of money.

$2.50 per meal is a lot.

[SSguy]

The problem is the food they are giving them tastes good =/
Vitamins, bread, and water, and maybe some spam. Thats all.

But then again, theres business involved in purchasing that food, it doesnt come from no where. So its not all bad.

[StainlessSteelRat]

The problem is the food they are giving them tastes good =/
Vitamins, bread, and water, and maybe some spam. Thats all.

But then again, theres business involved in purchasing that food, it doesnt come from no where. So its not all bad.

It is all bad. Let the lazy trash feed their own kids and let me keep the money I work for to take care of my needs. Porn ain't cheap.

[DoveAlexa]

3.7 million meals at a total cost of less than $9.5 million last

Not to mention, do the math. What a fucking waste of money.

$2.50 per meal is a lot.
Its cause the government has no experience in real budgeting.

I live in one of the most expensive to live cities in my country, and I can still make a meal for under that. A whole loaf of bread costs 99 cents plus tax (safeway ftw), milk a maybe 5 bucks at most, a dozen eggs I get free from my friend (lives outside city), maple syrup for a few more bucks and add a few cents for energy and equipment overhead and I can get a 3 slice french toast breakfast for under a dollar, including a glass of milk on the side. That's pretty classy food for a poor kid so I think they can manage.

Throw in an orange too or some juice and it may break a buck, maybe. Full meal right there.

[Layedballer]

Hunger motivates me, it causes me to go out and kill people to feast on their flesh. Though it's never motivated me to be a better person...

[Viluin]

Its cause the government has no experience in real budgeting.

I live in one of the most expensive to live cities in my country, and I can still make a meal for under that. A whole loaf of bread costs 99 cents plus tax (safeway ftw), milk a maybe 5 bucks at most, a dozen eggs I get free from my friend (lives outside city), maple syrup for a few more bucks and add a few cents for energy and equipment overhead and I can get a 3 slice french toast breakfast for under a dollar, including a glass of milk on the side. That's pretty classy food for a poor kid so I think they can manage.

Throw in an orange too or some juice and it may break a buck, maybe. Full meal right there.

Only a 3-slice french toast breakfast? I guess women really can prepare a $1 "full" meal.

[Layedballer]

Its cause the government has no experience in real budgeting.

I live in one of the most expensive to live cities in my country, and I can still make a meal for under that. A whole loaf of bread costs 99 cents plus tax (safeway ftw), milk a maybe 5 bucks at most, a dozen eggs I get free from my friend (lives outside city), maple syrup for a few more bucks and add a few cents for energy and equipment overhead and I can get a 3 slice french toast breakfast for under a dollar, including a glass of milk on the side. That's pretty classy food for a poor kid so I think they can manage.

Throw in an orange too or some juice and it may break a buck, maybe. Full meal right there.
Bread for 99 cents? Even at safeway if the hobo on the side put his fucking dick through each slice they'd still sell it for 3+ bucks

[DoveAlexa]

Even in an expensive city you can find the bargins. Safeway got real inexpensive the last little while, they make their own bread of course, so they save money there. If I had to buy other bread, then yeah, its 5 bucks a loaf. Which is why I make my own when I cant get a deal.

[Layedballer]

Even in an expensive city you can find the bargins. Safeway got real inexpensive the last little while, they make their own bread of course, so they save money there. If I had to buy other bread, then yeah, its 5 bucks a loaf. Which is why I make my own when I cant get a deal.

All I know is, I've never seen a deal where I live. Except for the guy who gives out free candy to people. Though it's only for kids :(

[StrawberryClock]

Damn, and here I thought starvation and the resulting lack of energy affected a kid's cognitive abilities for the worst.

[Empty Pockets]

Damn, and here I thought starvation and the resulting lack of energy affected a kid's cognitive abilities for the worst.

depends on if you're talking about a real starving kid in africa or a "starving" kid in america.

2 meals a day you keep your brain and a nice little boost to the achievement drive.

[ltankhsd]

The Colbert Report is a valid news source...it's true. :rolleyes:

[Vanno]

"$2.50 for a meal isn't cheap." Are you fucking serious with that? $2.50 is dirt cheap for anything that isn't just beans and rice.

99cent bread? Maybe Williams white, but that is arguably not even food. You could maybe get a baguette or something from the bakery.

[Vanno]

Damn, and here I thought starvation and the resulting lack of energy affected a kid's cognitive abilities for the worst.

Starving vs hungry. We have to define what we are talking about here. I've got a ridiculous appetite, and might be hungry, but I know for sure I've got plenty of nutrition to keep going.

[Silverhandorder]

"$2.50 for a meal isn't cheap." Are you fucking serious with that? $2.50 is dirt cheap for anything that isn't just beans and rice.

99cent bread? Maybe Williams white, but that is arguably not even food. You could maybe get a baguette or something from the bakery.

It is expensive if you consider what the rest of the world eats. Plus even if we take America with some planing I can make under that. As said before .99$ bread, eggs, milk, beans and chicken and you got food to last you several days.

[Viluin]

It is expensive if you consider what the rest of the world eats. Plus even if we take America with some planing I can make under that. As said before .99$ bread, eggs, milk, beans and chicken and you got food to last you several days.

- 2 buns of bread
- 2 baked eggs
- A small can of tuna
- 200g of chicken
- A slice of cheese
- A bottle of water

Is something I'd eat for lunch, and it's definitely not under $2,50. The chicken alone is almost 2 euro.

[Milo Hobgoblin]

Damn, and here I thought starvation and the resulting lack of energy affected a kid's cognitive abilities for the worst.

You should really spend more time posting about efforts to provide birth control for the poor..

Since you seem to have so much god damn time.. have you ever thought about volunteering at an inner city family planning center.. or do you just think us working folk should pay more taxes to raise other peoples babies?

[Silverhandorder]

- 2 buns of bread
- 2 baked eggs Dozen eggs is 1.40$
- A small can of tuna 1$
- 200g of chicken1lb of chicken .90$. That's about 400g
- A slice of cheese 1lb is 5$
- A bottle of water Tap water...

Is something I'd eat for lunch, and it's definitely not under $2,50. The chicken alone is almost 2 euro.
This is why Europe sucks your fucking food costs a fortune.

[Viluin]

This is why Europe sucks your fucking food costs a fortune.

1lb of chicken 90 cents? Are you sure you're not buying a dead stray dog? :confused:

Also tap water sucks.

[Silverhandorder]

1lb of chicken 90 cents? Are you sure you're not buying a dead stray dog? :confused:

Also tap water sucks.

Um I am not lying. I could go check in a bit and tell you lowest to highest ranges.

[Aardvarkian]

- 2 buns of bread
- 2 baked eggs
- A small can of tuna
- 200g of chicken
- A slice of cheese
- A bottle of water

Is something I'd eat for lunch, and it's definitely not under $2,50. The chicken alone is almost 2 euro.

2 eggs ~ .34
can of tuna ~ .75
chicken ~ 1-3 (depending on cut)
slice of cheese ~.20
bottle of water - free, use the tap

Definitely doable for $2.50, unless you're using organic free range brown eggs, whole food expensive ass tuna, organic free range chicken breast, AOC cheese, and are too good to drink tap.


Also, when reading this thread I got hungry and went to the fridge for pizza. Two slices at $26 for a large with ~16 slices isn't much over $2.50. And that's for prepared food from one of the more expensive pizza joints.

edit; Silver, $1/lb sounds like wholesale prices. I can sometimes find whole chickens for $1.30/lb, but theres a lot of non-edible stuff in there. It's still cheaper than buying the stuff butchered, but not by much.

[Viluin]

2 eggs ~ .34
can of tuna ~ .75
chicken ~ 1-3 (depending on cut)
slice of cheese ~.20
bottle of water - free, use the tap

Definitely doable for $2.50, unless you're using organic free range brown eggs, whole food expensive ass tuna, organic free range chicken breast, AOC cheese, and are too good to drink tap.


Also, when reading this thread I got hungry and went to the fridge for pizza. Two slices at $26 for a large with ~16 slices isn't much over $2.50. And that's for prepared food from one of the more expensive pizza joints.

Not doable here. It's probably about 3 euro. And yeah, I'm too good to drink tap, it has a weird flavor. Gunther once told me the average glass of tap water has gone through a human body 7 times, which also kinda freaks me out. :ohno: But you're a pig, I guess you eat anything!

[jonyak]

Not doable here. It's probably about 3 euro. And yeah, I'm too good to drink tap, it has a weird flavor. Gunther once told me the average glass of tap water has gone through a human body 7 times, which also kinda freaks me out. :ohno: But you're a pig, I guess you eat anything!

You do know that all water is the same water that has been on earth for millenia...

[Silverhandorder]

You do know that all water is the same water that has been on earth for millenia...

Considering that many bottled water companies have water that is exactly like tap.

edit: as in it comes from a spring but has all the shit that city puts into it. Some companies "purify" tap water. Some just bottle tap water.

[Aardvarkian]

Not doable here. It's probably about 3 euro. And yeah, I'm too good to drink tap, it has a weird flavor. Gunther once told me the average glass of tap water has gone through a human body 7 times, which also kinda freaks me out. :ohno: But you're a pig, I guess you eat anything!

Gunther, a well known and highly sarcastic and unreliable source of information most likely to be found trolling in #darkfall or many other IRC chat rooms.

Get a water filter.

[Silverhandorder]

Gunther, a well known and highly sarcastic and unreliable source of information most likely to be found trolling in #darkfall or many other IRC chat rooms.

Get a water filter.

I like him can we keep him? Can we?

[Milo Hobgoblin]

You do know that all water is the same water that has been on earth for millenia...

man I wish that were true.. Ive drank some nasty fucking water in every part of the world..

The local tap water in my city is some of the worst tasting most rank shit Ive ever had.

[Aardvarkian]

You do know that all water is the same water that has been on earth for millenia...

Untrue!

I drink only water formed by combining two parts H2 gas (produced from the refinement of natural gas and not electrolysis) and one part O2 gas harvested from the top of the Himalayas. My water has been through the digestive track of no disgusting animal! Hmm, on the other hand it was half dinosaur at one point.

[StainlessSteelRat]

"$2.50 for a meal isn't cheap." Are you fucking serious with that? $2.50 is dirt cheap for anything that isn't just beans and rice.

99cent bread? Maybe Williams white, but that is arguably not even food. You could maybe get a baguette or something from the bakery.

Lol, you ever cook for more than yourself on a budget?

Cream corn, burgers, salad and water for $1 to 1.50 per person easy. As an example.

$2.50 per meal is outrageous for bulk meal preparation; even moreso when its a freebie for kids.

Chicken can be found for .99/lb. on special.

[DoveAlexa]

Lol, you ever cook for more than yourself on a budget?

Cream corn, burgers, salad and water for $1 to 1.50 per person easy. As an example.

$2.50 per meal is outrageous for bulk meal preparation; even moreso when its a freebie for kids.

Chicken can be found for .99/lb. on special.
The part of the chicken you buy helps too. I can buy skinless boneless breast for like 17 bucks a kilo, or I can get thighs with the skin and bone in for 5 bucks a kilo instead.
Bags of frozen and pre-spiced (with fail and hidden MSG) chicken can come cheaper, just for being bulk foods handled out of store.

[Qikdraw]

man I wish that were true.. Ive drank some nasty fucking water in every part of the world..

The local tap water in my city is some of the worst tasting most rank shit Ive ever had.

One place I lived we had well water. The stuff smelled, but it was so full of minerals that it turned the shower and dishwasher orange, until we got a water softener. But the tap water was still direct from the well. I got used to it, and now even 20 years later I can't stand regular water. I want that well water back.

[StrawberryClock]

You should really spend more time posting about efforts to provide birth control for the poor..

Since you seem to have so much god damn time.. have you ever thought about volunteering at an inner city family planning center.. or do you just think us working folk should pay more taxes to raise other peoples babies?

Birth control for people in general are a plus. Less abortions, less people stealing my limited potential resources.

Noticed how I never indicated I advocated a position of helping these people? No, I just posted about what some lady, who is also coincidentally a christian book store owner, said concerning hunger and motivation.

She may be right, but feeding kids is better then letting them endure hunger.

Starving vs hungry. We have to define what we are talking about here. I've got a ridiculous appetite, and might be hungry, but I know for sure I've got plenty of nutrition to keep going.

depends on if you're talking about a real starving kid in africa or a "starving" kid in america.

2 meals a day you keep your brain and a nice little boost to the achievement drive.

What if those starving kids, and there are many I take it, barely get the full nutritional requirement daily that is necessary for proper growth and energy? Food stamps might not be enough in some cases.

[Silverhandorder]

What if those starving kids, and there are many I take it, barely get the full nutritional requirement daily that is necessary for proper growth and energy? Food stamps might not be enough in some cases.

Then they are not prioritizing their food stamps. We already illustrated that people can feed them selves very well on food stamps alone.

[StrawberryClock]

Then they are not prioritizing their food stamps. We already illustrated that people can feed them selves very well on food stamps alone.

Alright then, I will cede to your belief. Provide further links to cement this.

[Vanno]

It is expensive if you consider what the rest of the world eats. Plus even if we take America with some planing I can make under that. As said before .99$ bread, eggs, milk, beans and chicken and you got food to last you several days.

Purchasing power parity needs to be considered here though, otherwise we are comparing apples to oranges. Chicken alone is going to run somewhere around the $2 a pound mark, and anything under 8 ounces is hardly worth cooking. $2.50 for a meal is cheap, period; you are likely buying cheap food, eschewing veggies or fruit.

[Vanno]

This is why Europe sucks your fucking food costs a fortune.

What fucking country do you live in where chicken is consistently 90 cents a pound? Turkey maybe, but chicken? I'd really like to know where you kids are buying your food at.

Lol, you ever cook for more than yourself on a budget?

Cream corn, burgers, salad and water for $1 to 1.50 per person easy. As an example.

$2.50 per meal is outrageous for bulk meal preparation; even moreso when its a freebie for kids.

Chicken can be found for .99/lb. on special.

Cheap food is cheap, sure, but it hardly constitutes food. Iceburg lettuce isn't salad people; you'd be better served eating your grass. You might find whole chickens around the $1.25 range pretty consistently, but that includes bone and the crap meat parts, not breast. $2.50 is still pretty cheap for a meal, even a subsidized one.

[Silverhandorder]

Food stamps get you 200$ a month worth. That is 6.50$ a day. As pointed out earlier one can make 2.5 meals with that.

[Silverhandorder]

Purchasing power parity needs to be considered here though, otherwise we are comparing apples to oranges. Chicken alone is going to run somewhere around the $2 a pound mark, and anything under 8 ounces is hardly worth cooking. $2.50 for a meal is cheap, period; you are likely buying cheap food, eschewing veggies or fruit.
No shit the food is cheap. Any food I find will be better quality then they feed those children.
What fucking country do you live in where chicken is consistently 90 cents a pound? Turkey maybe, but chicken? I'd really like to know where you kids are buying your food at.

It's even less at times.

[Vanno]

Food stamps get you 200$ a month worth. That is 6.50$ a day. As pointed out earlier one can make 2.5 meals with that.

So what? Even if one is awarded the $200, they can (arguably) have a crap diet on $200 of subsidized food. Nobody (even the state government's that usually run the programs) thinks food stamps are supposed to actually cover the nutritional needs of a family; it is just a supplement.

Do you honestly even do your own grocery shopping?

[BladeSLicer]

Aye, one woman saying something = the universal stance of all Republicans.

[Silverhandorder]

So what? Even if one is awarded the $200, they can (arguably) have a crap diet on $200 of subsidized food. Nobody (even the state government's that usually run the programs) thinks food stamps are supposed to actually cover the nutritional needs of a family; it is just a supplement.

Do you honestly even do your own grocery shopping?

200$ per person with +150$ per extra person in the house hold. My family eats a shit ton and we spend 1000$ for 5 people. We can easily cut that budget in half and still eat healthy.

Wtf do you eat that you would not be able to live off 200$?

[Viluin]

The part of the chicken you buy helps too. I can buy skinless boneless breast for like 17 bucks a kilo, or I can get thighs with the skin and bone in for 5 bucks a kilo instead.
Bags of frozen and pre-spiced (with fail and hidden MSG) chicken can come cheaper, just for being bulk foods handled out of store.


I buy boneless chicken because bones suck.

Food stamps get you 200$ a month worth. That is 6.50$ a day. As pointed out earlier one can make 2.5 meals with that.

I eat 6 meals a day, lol.

[Vanno]

200$ per person with +150$ per extra person in the house hold. My family eats a shit ton and we spend 1000$ for 5 people. We can easily cut that budget in half and still eat healthy.

Wtf do you eat that you would not be able to live off 200$?

Unless you are doing some Dugger family style bulk purchases, I somehow doubt your family spends a mere $1000 a month; which is why I pose the question again, do you actually buy the food in your family?

Comparing the diet of me and my girlfriend to a whole family is sort of a exercise in futility though, as budgets usually scale down, per person, as the number served increases. With that said, my diet is nothing spectacular. Greens (usually spinach), rice, beans, meat, other veggies, the rare fruit, nuts, eggs, milk, and tea comprise the great majority of my diet.

I buy boneless chicken because bones suck.



I eat 6 meals a day, lol.

They also mask the true per pound cost of the meat, and include the crap meat portions.

[Silverhandorder]

I don't shop with my parents when they go out to fill up the fridge. However I do buy a lot of shit on my own, especially when I got the house to my self. I am familiar with the grocery costs.

[PirateGlen]

Seems like every single cost analysis ignores the energy cost and preperation cost of these $2.50 meals. I wish there was some way I could get to $2.50 meals that are ready to eat at time of purchase.

[Baralis]

My father and I consistantly eat meals that cost under $6 for the two of us. Its not that difficult to do. The key is purchasing basic foods that you have to prepare and not oven/stove ready foods.

[Silverhandorder]

Seems like every single cost analysis ignores the energy cost and preperation cost of these $2.50 meals. I wish there was some way I could get to $2.50 meals that are ready to eat at time of purchase.

Alright lets do this.

my gas bill is 25$ cooking only. Our heating is electric. These 25$ are for a family that cooks a lot. I bet for some one on low budget it would easily be under 10$.

[Baralis]

Seems like every single cost analysis ignores the energy cost and preperation cost of these $2.50 meals. I wish there was some way I could get to $2.50 meals that are ready to eat at time of purchase.

That is the problem ^^

You double or triple your food costs by getting prepackaged foods.

Granted a person cannot eat high end foods and keep a meal under $3 but it is very possible to sustain yourself.

Basic foods like potatoes, rice, eggs, flour, veggies are cheap and nutritional.

[PirateGlen]

That is the problem ^^

You double or triple your food costs by getting prepackaged foods.

Granted a person cannot eat high end foods and keep a meal under $3 but it is very possible to sustain yourself.

Basic foods like potatoes, rice, eggs, flour, veggies are cheap and nutritional.

I don't want high end. I just want a meal that's ready to eat for $2.50. If $2.50 is such a high cost for a meal as seems to be supposed here, why can't I buy it anywhere?

[PirateGlen]

Alright lets do this.

my gas bill is 25$ cooking only. Our heating is electric. These 25$ are for a family that cooks a lot. I bet for some one on low budget it would easily be under 10$.

No we wont do this. You have no idea what the cost of gas/electricity per meal and you completely ignored the preparation cost.

[StainlessSteelRat]

Cheap food is cheap, sure, but it hardly constitutes food. Iceburg lettuce isn't salad people; you'd be better served eating your grass. You might find whole chickens around the $1.25 range pretty consistently, but that includes bone and the crap meat parts, not breast. $2.50 is still pretty cheap for a meal, even a subsidized one.

You are 100% wrong. You can eat very well from a nutritional standpoint on little money.

I doubt you ever cooked from more than 2 people. Also, none of you are taking into account the fact that these meals are prepared bulk which also reduces the per person cost.

3 meals a day X 2 people X 1 week @ $2.50 per meal = $105/wk grocery bill. This is easily achievable. As the number of meals increases, economies of scale will kick in as well.

@Pirate - the article also mentionned that the admistrative/preparation/delivery of the meals was performed by charities which is why there is no need to discuss fuel and labor costs.

[Silverhandorder]

No we wont do this. You have no idea what the cost of gas/electricity per meal and you completely ignored the preparation cost.

Preparation cost is free you moron. Do you pay your self to cook? Obviously the 2.50 cost from where they getting the meals is because they have to pay some one to fucking cook them. That is the fucking problem, we shouldn't pay some one to cook a kid lunch when the motherfucker has a parent who's job it is to do it.

[PirateGlen]

@Pirate - the article also mentionned that the admistrative/preparation/delivery of the meals was performed by charities which is why there is no need to discuss fuel and labor costs.

The article seems to make no indication of the cost of admin/prep/delivery. Someone says the church supplies the staff and they provide the meals. It's not clear whether cooked or uncooked food is delivered to the churches.

I found what might be the original here: http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/the-platform/published-editorials/2009/06/oblivious-to-the-needs-of-missouris-hungry-children/

[PirateGlen]

Preparation cost is free you moron. Do you pay your self to cook? Obviously the 2.50 cost from where they getting the meals is because they have to pay some one to fucking cook them. That is the fucking problem, we shouldn't pay some one to cook a kid lunch when the motherfucker has a parent who's job it is to do it.

It's not free. When I take the time to cook, I'm using what could be used of my time working. Either way... if you're just going to reject these costs then there's no point in arguing with you. The current topic seems to be about whether these meals are too expensive. I'm suggesting that the comparable suggested purchases do not equate to what one receives from these meals.

[Silverhandorder]

It's not free. When I take the time to cook, I'm using what could be used of my time working. Either way... if you're just going to reject these costs then there's no point in arguing with you. The current topic seems to be about whether these meals are too expensive. I'm suggesting that the comparable suggested purchases do not equate to what one receives from these meals.

Yeah some one is poor because he has a lot of fucking work available to him. You are a fucking moron...

[StrawberryClock]

I love leaving it to SilverHandOrder to extend the life of all my threads.

[PirateGlen]

Yeah some one is poor because he has a lot of fucking work available to him. You are a fucking moron...

I've no intention of educating you this time. It's more entertaining to let you continue to look stupid.

[Silverhandorder]

I've no intention of educating you this time. It's more entertaining to let you continue to look stupid.

Yeah I fucking look stupid for suggesting poor can not afford to make pre packaged meals... Oh wait no one here said that. If you are going to jump into conversation know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Vanno]

Seems like every single cost analysis ignores the energy cost and preperation cost of these $2.50 meals. I wish there was some way I could get to $2.50 meals that are ready to eat at time of purchase.

ZOMG, how dare you bring up prep costs and opportunity costs in a forum full of economic ignoramuses?

[Silverhandorder]

ZOMG, how dare you bring up prep costs and opportunity costs in a forum full of economic ignoramuses?

Opportunity cost? As in it costs government more to provide a meal then if I was making it by my self?

[PirateGlen]

Yeah I fucking look stupid for suggesting poor can not afford to make pre packaged meals... Oh wait no one here said that. If you are going to jump into conversation know what the fuck you are talking about.

Keep it up. It's really good, like you're being ironically ironic.

Opportunity cost? As in it costs government more to provide a meal then if I was making it by my self?

Yes, that's what opportunity cost means.

[Strangia]

Its funny how the most outspoken libertarian, who is always about "personal fucking responsibility" and "managing your finances" doesn't know jack shit about money.

[Vanno]

You are 100% wrong. You can eat very well from a nutritional standpoint on little money.

I doubt you ever cooked from more than 2 people. Also, none of you are taking into account the fact that these meals are prepared bulk which also reduces the per person cost.

3 meals a day X 2 people X 1 week @ $2.50 per meal = $105/wk grocery bill. This is easily achievable. As the number of meals increases, economies of scale will kick in as well.

@Pirate - the article also mentionned that the admistrative/preparation/delivery of the meals was performed by charities which is why there is no need to discuss fuel and labor costs.

I've cooked for well over 100 people before, and, barring labor costs, you might have a point on bulk food costs/scaling (which I already mentioned,) but add in labor costs, and we are talking a different world altogether. 105 a week would require frugality, and might be possible, if one actually took the time to plan everything out and comparison shop. The problem with that is transportation cost and information access. I'm actually having a hard time keeping track of what is even being discussed here. Are we talking about the program, food stamps, the cafeteria costs? What?

[DoveAlexa]

I saw just end the program and cut taxes.
Its not my country but its still a good idea.

[Ungraylessness]

Unless you're from Missouri, who gives a shit?

[Silverhandorder]

Vanno this program has little justification for existence. W/e the republican said I am not defending that.

It costs the government 2.50$ a meal to provide a meal for low income child. First low income get food stamps, second people here proved how one can prepare meals for under 2.50$. So if any low income children are starving it i the parent's fault for being bad parents and not for being poor.

10 million would be better spent addressing why some one receiving food stamps can not feed their child rather then just feeding the child.

[Baralis]

Unless you're from Missouri, who gives a shit?

I live in Missouri and I can tell you that you will often see the welfare moms purchasing pure junk with foodstamps. Shit like cookies, cakes, sodas, hot dogs and other lazy and more expensive foods. Very very rarely do I ever see one not buying prepackaged microwavable foods as a major part of their purchase. They are lazy period, but then again that would explain why young people are on foodstamps to begin with.

[Largion]

Good. Time for the poor to get off their asses and start contributing.

I can say this, because I am just about as poor as you can get in a civilized country.

If you can afford a computer then your not. ;)

[Silverhandorder]

If you can afford a computer then your not. ;)

Poor people have access to cable tv, phone services and cars. Where the fuck you been?

[Vanno]

Vanno this program has little justification for existence. W/e the republican said I am not defending that.

It costs the government 2.50$ a meal to provide a meal for low income child. First low income get food stamps, second people here proved how one can prepare meals for under 2.50$. So if any low income children are starving it i the parent's fault for being bad parents and not for being poor.

10 million would be better spent addressing why some one receiving food stamps can not feed their child rather then just feeding the child.

Nobody proved anything about a $2.50 meal, there was just speculation.

[Silverhandorder]

Nobody proved anything about a $2.50 meal, there was just speculation.

It is not speculation, four people here including me said we would be able to make meals for under 2.50$

[Sekka]

I am a college student who for several months lived on 2 cans of $.99 soup a day (sometimes only one), I had 4 hours of class a day, 5 hours of work, 2+ hours of club activity per day, walked 45 min to class in the morning and the same home. Got on a good night 6 hours of sleep.

/made Deans list
//2.50 is plenty

[Seesawmcgraw]

Bowl of cereal or oatmeal>bowl of ramen or mac&cheese or pb&j> bologna sandwich or hotdog + baked/mashed potato

do each of these really cost 2.50$? it probably costs half of that provided you aren't eating till you are full and just eating to prevent hunger also you might not be eating captain crunch but probably whatever generic cereal looks good

but when they add the cost of a pack of Marlboro or Newports several times a month, 30 pack of Milwaukee's best twice a week or a king cobra 40oz a day, some lotto tickets or a game of craps on some randomly placed piece of cardboard and a new tattoo they find themselves living paycheck to paycheck

[Bamboopanda]

It is all bad. Let the lazy trash feed their own kids and let me keep the money I work for to take care of my needs. Porn ain't cheap.

If I was starving, or worse my kids where. I would take your food and likely kill you to ensure I have no witnesses. And no, CSI is not real. Motivation is good, bad motivation brings everything around it down as well as those whom you are stepping on, and that kind of thinking comes back to bite you in the ass. You do not get rid of the ghetto by pissing in the streets and shitting on its people, you destroy the ghetto's of poor buy lifting them up and empowering them. And yes, that does require some assistance and an hand that is both kind and very firm.

An people who feel helpless are going to tear more down than build. So you must give them strength to build and grow. A few school lunches for children is a VERY small price to pay to avoid the feelings that grow from the fact that scociety does not care about you. The very next step is that you learn to not care about scociety.

I am also of the thought that any assistance needs to be BARE minimum for survival, bland tasteless food, basic no frills shelter and clothes. And education / work opportunities. Baby mama's can use food stamps for cloth diapers, flour, milk, veggies, fish/chicken (.5oz a day), and other basic foodstuffs to actually cook with. No more buying premade anything, no 'goodies' of any kind, all meals are to be prepared and cooked from scratch.

Good Luck w that porn, your PC may not be there when you get back from work.

/No Trolling.
//Being honest.

[StrawberryClock]

Bowl of cereal or oatmeal>bowl of ramen or mac&cheese or pb&j> bologna sandwich or hotdog + baked/mashed potato

How I miss eating this when my family business went into a crunch.

[Bamboopanda]

I am a college student who for several months lived on 2 cans of $.99 soup a day (sometimes only one), I had 4 hours of class a day, 5 hours of work, 2+ hours of club activity per day, walked 45 min to class in the morning and the same home. Got on a good night 6 hours of sleep.

/made Deans list
//2.50 is plenty

I highlighted something for you. As a college student (grad?) I will go ahead and assume you understand why a full grown adult, I.E. you can live for a long time on a meager intake with no lasting effects and why a child cannot.

But for the rest of the adult world who do not. A child requires an higher per pound intake of food to survive in an non-malnourished state. The child expends more per pound simply breathing than most adults due to an higher rate of metabolism and the child is near constantly growing and any extended lapse of sufficient food intake will cause extensive growth effects in both body and mental ability.

Also as an adult you have the ability to choose to lead your lifestyle and can at any time change a factor in it and gain additional resources. A child will typically NOT have that ability, it will only gain and have what is given, either by parents or society as a whole whom can see when an guardian is no capable of fully furnishing the child with sustenance. (Thru deliberate mistreatment, laziness, or lack of ability on the parent’s part, the result is the same. A child not cared for is a problem that must be bridged in some way.)

[Silverhandorder]

If I was starving, or worse my kids where. I would take your food and likely kill you to ensure I have no witnesses. And no, CSI is not real. Motivation is good, bad motivation brings everything around it down as well as those whom you are stepping on, and that kind of thinking comes back to bite you in the ass. You do not get rid of the ghetto by pissing in the streets and shitting on its people, you destroy the ghetto's of poor buy lifting them up and empowering them. And yes, that does require some assistance and an hand that is both kind and very firm.

An people who feel helpless are going to tear more down than build. So you must give them strength to build and grow. A few school lunches for children is a VERY small price to pay to avoid the feelings that grow from the fact that scociety does not care about you. The very next step is that you learn to not care about scociety.

I am also of the thought that any assistance needs to be BARE minimum for survival, bland tasteless food, basic no frills shelter and clothes. And education / work opportunities. Baby mama's can use food stamps for cloth diapers, flour, milk, veggies, fish/chicken (.5oz a day), and other basic foodstuffs to actually cook with. No more buying premade anything, no 'goodies' of any kind, all meals are to be prepared and cooked from scratch.

Good Luck w that porn, your PC may not be there when you get back from work.

/No Trolling.
//Being honest.
Yeah a dude that can't feed himself and is starving is going to present danger to civilized society. More then likely most of them will get their priorities in order. The few that refuse to work were not going to work in the first place. I have no problem with them starting crime. The steel boot of the state is more then equipped to deal with petty crime like that.
I highlighted something for you. As a college student (grad?) I will go ahead and assume you understand why a full grown adult, I.E. you can live for a long time on a meager intake with no lasting effects and why a child cannot.

But for the rest of the adult world who do not. A child requires an higher per pound intake of food to survive in an non-malnourished state. The child expends more per pound simply breathing than most adults due to an higher rate of metabolism and the child is near constantly growing and any extended lapse of sufficient food intake will cause extensive growth effects in both body and mental ability.

Also as an adult you have the ability to choose to lead your lifestyle and can at any time change a factor in it and gain additional resources. A child will typically NOT have that ability, it will only gain and have what is given, either by parents or society as a whole whom can see when an guardian is no capable of fully furnishing the child with sustenance. (Thru deliberate mistreatment, laziness, or lack of ability on the parent’s part, the result is the same. A child not cared for is a problem that must be bridged in some way.)

Well fuck with all the money taken away from productive portion of society to feed the unproductive. Did you come to think that maybe that money can be used by the people that have it to raise their own children?

What is the #1 reason why high income families raise so little kids? They can not afford to since they have to support the lazy and unproductive parents of the poor kids.

edit: As pointed out at 200$ worth of food stamps per person a kid can be fed a very nourishing diet. We had a 20/20 video recently that showed how our homeless shelters give out so much food that no one goes hungry.

[StrawberryClock]

What is the #1 reason why high income families raise so little kids? They can not afford to since they have to support the lazy and unproductive parents of the poor kids.

Seriously?

High income individuals tend to focus on their careers more then anything, which leaves little time to raise a family. Its logical to do so.

I doubt taxes would take enough away so they can't give little Jimmy and his siblings necessities comfort.

[Silverhandorder]

What is the #1 reason why high income families raise so little kids? They can not afford to since they have to support the lazy and unproductive parents of the poor kids.

Seriously?

High income individuals tend to focus on their careers more then anything, which leaves little time to raise a family. Its logical to do so.

I doubt taxes would take enough away so they can't give little Jimmy and his siblings necessities comfort.

Of course taxes take away that from the family. They want to live at a specific standard of living and must work extra just to keep it. If there were no taxes they could devote this energy instead on making a family.

[StrawberryClock]

Of course taxes take away that from the family. They want to live at a specific standard of living and must work extra just to keep it. If there were no taxes they could devote this energy instead on making a family.

How do you know that many of these high-income earners would want a family regardless? A kid does bring down a standard of living a few notches.

I'd think that the recent trend is for many people to not have kids and focus on their yuppie lifestyle.

[Blackmoore]

lol, what a very scary and creepy, yet very interesting thread. It really answers many questions about the U.S....

[Sqarak]

Of course taxes take away that from the family. They want to live at a specific standard of living and must work extra just to keep it. If there were no taxes they could devote this energy instead on making a family.

I enjoy living my specific standard of life and yes I'd have to sacrifice that when I'd have a kid, not only financially, but also due to the time I'd have to put into my kid and no decrease in taxes will allow me to spend my time the same as before.

I could hire a full time nanny, but I hardly regard that as raising a kid, you might as well have none then imo.

[StainlessSteelRat]

If I was starving, or worse my kids where. I would take your food and likely kill you to ensure I have no witnesses. And no, CSI is not real. Motivation is good, bad motivation............. that scociety does not care about you. The very next step is that you learn to not care about scociety.

Blah blah blah. Try and take my food. I'd be more than happy to appease your hunger once and for all.

How one behaves has nothing to do w/ whether society 'cares' about them. If someone turns to theft and murder to eat when hungry, they are simply weak; a stronger person will find a way without resorting to barbarism.

I am also of the thought that any assistance needs to be BARE minimum for survival, bland tasteless food, basic no frills shelter and clothes. And education / work opportunities. Baby mama's can use food stamps for cloth diapers, flour, milk, veggies, fish/chicken (.5oz a day), and other basic foodstuffs to actually cook with. No more buying premade anything, no 'goodies' of any kind, all meals are to be prepared and cooked from scratch.

That's pretty much my point. And since everything you mention is already available, why the need for the extra program that is run so inefficiently?