How many will be deemed "Domestic Terrorists"?

[Opportunity Nox]

and held without trial... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVChNmN9y7E&feature=related

cant someone off this crackhead already?

[AmonDominus]

Opportunity Nox,

you've been arrested for the murder and rape of Badem.

Wut? He's still alive?
Don't worry, you'll do it soon enough. Precrime ftw.

[Vessol]

You know it's bad when MSNBC starts bashing a Liberal.

[Qikdraw]

Its amazing how silent people were these past 8 years, but when a liberal black man gets in it becomes important. :rolleyes: Fucking pathetic.

(by the way, Obama is a fuckhead for saying shit like this)

[biggunsar]

Its amazing how silent people were these past 8 years, but when a liberal black man gets in it becomes important. :rolleyes: Fucking pathetic.

(by the way, Obama is a fuckhead for saying shit like this)

its because bush's handlers were masterful manipulators.

If you question bush, you were anti american. Brilliant ploy

[Ziegler]

Dont be bashing on the president. He was voted in, we are getting exactly what we deserve.


Keep going Obama, you'll put us into another civil war...I cant wait.

[Bissen]

Dont be bashing on the president. He was voted in, we are getting exactly what we deserve.


Voted in. HAH!. He was worshiped in.

[Ziegler]

Voted in. HAH!. He was worshiped in.

You say worshipped...I say mass hypnosis of gullible idiots....:cool:

[Teth]

Keep going Obama, you'll put us into another civil war...I cant wait.
Idiot. People said the same thing about Bush too, and look at what happened there - nothing.

North Americans have become fantastically complacent and the only way there's going to be any civil wars or uprisings is if the elected leaders start rounding people up in the streets and burning them in massive pyres. And maybe not even then.

America in particular...anybody who dissents internally is labelled a blasphemer, a heretic, and a traitor. Your own Civil War set you on that path (but really there were elements of it right after the Revolutionary War; Whiskey Rebellion et al), and the Cold War made it bone-etched. Remember how you treated your country's own Vietnam protestors and be perfectly cognizant of what you have become and what you are. Hell, realize your own inter-party rhetoric. Anybody outside of the orthodoxy is treated like a mad dog that needs to be put down.

Europeans are far more likely to actually fight for their rights than modern North Americans. Hooray for us all, and so much for the "land of the free". Somewhere along the line it was forgotten that all governments become corrupt over time and need to be regularly purged to maintain a semblance of decency, so here we are today. Now the idea of dragging our entire political body out into the streets and garroting them, while amusing, is antithetical; at this point we'd honestly be better off letting the Chinese take over the damned place just so that something decent may grow out of the backlash. Because there won't be any meaningful change any other way.

tl;dr North America in general but US in particular lost the Cold War by becoming the monsters they fought against, not in creed, but rather in deed. Smooth going.

[palo god]

You know it's bad when MSNBC starts bashing the Liberal messiah.

Fixt.

Lol at all the people that told me to give him a chance.

[Ziegler]

^^ from Canada with love...the minime of america.


and no...see Bush didnt screw the american people, he screwed the rest of the world. Obama is screwing the american people. He's going to cleanse if of it's great white devil taint so it can turned over the mullahs.

[Bissen]

Fixt.

Lol at all the people that told me to give him a chance.

The alternative would have been exactly the same. Your nations so called political system is a complete joke. Except no one's laughing but them.

[palo god]

The alternative would have been exactly the same. Your nations so called political system is a complete joke. Except no one's laughing but them.

You’re telling me things I already know.

[Spineless_DoO]

Its amazing how silent people were these past 8 years, but when a liberal black man gets in it becomes important. :rolleyes: Fucking pathetic.

(by the way, Obama is a fuckhead for saying shit like this)

When a libral black man gets elected I will let you know. Right now we have a half white mutt in office.

People have been anything but silent about this shit for the last 8 years....

[Scully]

Re-elect billy clinton

[Bissen]

You’re telling me things I already know.

"...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."

Now fetch your musket dear patriot!

[palo god]

"...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."

Now fetch your musket dear patriot!

My time will come. If it has to end with me sacrificing my life for my country and countrymen ill do it. I’m already training for the marines.

Were you expecting some troll feed To go with the new ticket poll on your bridge?

[Shaehl]

It's sickening to me how many fools will hear his speech and be completely dazzled by the poetry while failing to grasp the blatant and dangerous contradictions being made.

[verlox2]

Re-elect billy clinton

At least then we'll get some fun scandals.

[Qikdraw]

At least then we'll get some fun scandals.

Haven't you been paying attention lately? Senator Ensign (R) and Governor Sanford (R) have been wildly entertaining us.

[Bissen]

Haven't you been paying attention lately? Senator Ensign (R) and Governor Sanford (R) have been wildly entertaining us.

The democrats join the discussion.

[Qikdraw]

The democrats join the discussion.

Is that a sin? (and I'm not democrat by the way) Nobody but the far right fringe is allowed to speak?

Besides, you don't find these scandles entertaining? Or do you just not like it when its pointed out that republicans have scandals too? The 1990s were the democrats decade for sex scandals, it appears that the 2000s are the republicans turn.

[Bissen]

Is that a sin? (and I'm not democrat by the way) Nobody but the far right fringe is allowed to speak?

Besides, you don't find these scandles entertaining? Or do you just not like it when its pointed out that republicans have scandals too? The 1990s were the democrats decade for sex scandals, it appears that the 2000s are the republicans turn.

Was just stating the obvious.. Chill out matey ;)

[Scully]

How come you only have two major political parties anyway....

[Maynard Keenan]

Illuminati.

[mrbubbles]

How come you only have two major political parties anyway....

Cuz it was designed horribly. it creates an extremely bi-polar and anti-partisan system that doesn't allow for a moderate solution. and as rivalries grow the proposed solutions get more and more extreme left and right. Bushes policies were pretty far right. and Obama's are pretty far left.

[Toxic Waste]

Idiot. People said the same thing about Bush too, and look at what happened there - nothing.

North Americans have become fantastically complacent and the only way there's going to be any civil wars or uprisings is if the elected leaders start rounding people up in the streets and burning them in massive pyres. And maybe not even then.

America in particular...anybody who dissents internally is labelled a blasphemer, a heretic, and a traitor. Your own Civil War set you on that path (but really there were elements of it right after the Revolutionary War; Whiskey Rebellion et al), and the Cold War made it bone-etched. Remember how you treated your country's own Vietnam protestors and be perfectly cognizant of what you have become and what you are. Hell, realize your own inter-party rhetoric. Anybody outside of the orthodoxy is treated like a mad dog that needs to be put down.

Europeans are far more likely to actually fight for their rights than modern North Americans. Hooray for us all, and so much for the "land of the free". Somewhere along the line it was forgotten that all governments become corrupt over time and need to be regularly purged to maintain a semblance of decency, so here we are today. Now the idea of dragging our entire political body out into the streets and garroting them, while amusing, is antithetical; at this point we'd honestly be better off letting the Chinese take over the damned place just so that something decent may grow out of the backlash. Because there won't be any meaningful change any other way.

tl;dr North America in general but US in particular lost the Cold War by becoming the monsters they fought against, not in creed, but rather in deed. Smooth going.

This is probably the single most informed post ever. EVER.

[Ziegler]

Cuz it was designed horribly. it creates an extremely bi-polar and anti-partisan system that doesn't allow for a moderate solution. and as rivalries grow the proposed solutions get more and more extreme left and right. Bushes policies were pretty far right. and Obama's are pretty far left.

it wasnt.
The original allows for more than one party and we have had more than two parties at a time. But not in the last 100-150 years. As it is now...most people gravitate to either one or the other. The other parties has less financial ability and state elections rules are stacked against 2nd tier parties. Not to mention that they are full of crazies too.

[Qikdraw]

it wasnt.
The original allows for more than one party and we have had more than two parties at a time. But not in the last 100-150 years. As it is now...most people gravitate to either one or the other. The other parties has less financial ability and state elections rules are stacked against 2nd tier parties. Not to mention that they are full of crazies too.

You think getting rid of the electoral college would help? Thats my wife's solution when I mention the US should switch to a parlimentary system, which tends to speak more for the people than a two party system.

[Durindana]

if you have any idea wtf is going on in the world today, it's obvious he's referring to Gitmo detainees who can never be convicted in fair trials - because of the giant fuckups of the previous administration. Hence the "mess" he referred to first.

Do you people read or watch anything outside of your psycho echo chamber?

[Bissen]

it wasnt.
The original allows for more than one party and we have had more than two parties at a time. But not in the last 100-150 years. As it is now...most people gravitate to either one or the other. The other parties has less financial ability and state elections rules are stacked against 2nd tier parties. Not to mention that they are full of crazies too.

Yeah. Your country's whole political spectrum is just a good ol' soup of wacko's.

Meanwhile in Europe. United states The 2nd rushes forward to establish its own linearization of soon to be known as, "The nations formerly known as sovereign". Yay!

[DocGonzo]

Do you people read or watch anything outside of your psycho echo chamber?

most of them don't...actually

and how dare you use thinking and facts! you are just going to fuck up the froth at the mouth types!

[Sharuk]

Cuz it was designed horribly. it creates an extremely bi-polar and anti-partisan system that doesn't allow for a moderate solution. and as rivalries grow the proposed solutions get more and more extreme left and right. Bushes policies were pretty far right. and Obama's are pretty far left.


Bush wasnt Right

At Best he was Moderate

[DocGonzo]

Bush wasnt Right

At Best he was Moderate

your centerpoint is way skewed

try this - http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

[PhamTrinli]

Dont be bashing on the president. He was voted in, we are getting exactly what we deserve.


Keep going Obama, you'll put us into another civil war...I cant wait.

What about those of us who didn't vote for him?

[Qikdraw]

What about those of us who didn't vote for him?

Suck it up and quit yer bitchin.

Or don't you like democracy?

[Teth]

What about those of us who didn't vote for him?
Tyranny of the majority, whether it be the majority of voters or the majority of elected representatives.

You could probably make a pretty compelling case that all government is tyranny, really...

[Skree]

You know it's bad when MSNBC starts bashing a Liberal.What just as funny is that you think of Obama as a Liberal.

That's like calling Bush a 'conservative'.

Skree

[SSguy]

if you have any idea wtf is going on in the world today, it's obvious he's referring to Gitmo detainees who can never be convicted in fair trials - because of the giant fuckups of the previous administration. Hence the "mess" he referred to first.

Do you people read or watch anything outside of your psycho echo chamber?

I watched up until the said it was to handle the current gitmo detainees that couldn't be transfered and etc.
Just some Obama cherrypicking and distortion.

Although they have a point that it sets a bad precedent to be used and abused by future presidents.

[alfaroverall]

How come you only have two major political parties anyway....
1. Money, in ways that are complicated and require a fairly in-depth historical analysis to be understood, gets injected into the Democrat and Republican parties. This was well over a century ago.
2. Using money, the two parties become able to advertise much more efficiently than the others.
3. Having advertised more efficiently while simultaneously having moderate ideas that many will accept (note that this is back then, not necessarily now) they begin to win elections consistently.
4. Having established themselves as the consistent victors, it becomes silly for a given individual to try to vote for anyone else: if you do, your vote is really just going to go to the more evil (in your eyes), instead of the less evil candidate.

The continued belief in #4 is the kicker. God damn game theory and being so damn accurate...

Also, <30% Congress voting rates, probably even <20%. Nuff fucking said.
Cuz it was designed horribly. it creates an extremely bi-polar and anti-partisan system that doesn't allow for a moderate solution. and as rivalries grow the proposed solutions get more and more extreme left and right. Bushes policies were pretty far right. and Obama's are pretty far left.
No. It's more like the two parties are now almost exactly identical, and so there really is no choice except on a handful of issues.

[Sharuk]

your centerpoint is way skewed

try this - http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

Not really that puts all of the last Pres Candidates on the Right

And Obama is not Right wing, neither is Hillary, on the US Right/Left scale at least

Massive Government is Left, not right, and remember i said at best he is moderate, many of the things he did seemed right, Defense spending and all that, but he also grew government to a huge size

Also i would have to say their is no way to find the true centerpoint on the Left/Right cale,its all subject to opinions

[Sharuk]

What just as funny is that you think of Obama as a Liberal.

That's like calling Bush a 'conservative'.

Skree

He's on the way of spending more then Bush so..Liberal

[Qikdraw]

He's on the way of spending more then Bush so..Liberal

Yeah, but a ton of spending is just being given to corporations. The taxpayer is getting screwed big time, which makes it more right than left. The whole healthcare debate going on? Yeah its just gonna be a handout to insurance and pharma companies, nothing more.

I don't like the guys Obama has around him, Larry Sommers, Emanual, etc... A bunch of corporate lackys, and they have direct access to Obama. Overall I am not impressed with Obama's presidency so far, and to be fair he's only been in office for 6 months, so who knows whats gonna happen in 2-4 years? Better? Worse? I donno.