DailyKos: Holocaust Museum Shooter was a Ron Paul fan. [Archive]

FarSideLine

06-12-2009, 01:05 AM

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/10/741019/-NeoNazi-Killers-Racist-Rant-in-Ron-Paul-Yahoo-Group-

The Far Right is in a state of despair, desperate to change the paradigm that transformed our federal government so dramatically when Team Obama took office. My fear is that this is just the start of a parade of Far Right Wing nutballs coming unglued with a gun.

I fucking knew it. You all should have known it. Ron Paul supporters are crazy gunnuts.

Who here is surprised he was a Ron Paul supporter?

Crazy right-wingers are just upset because a black man is in office.

ZeaL-

06-12-2009, 01:06 AM

StainlessSteelRat

06-12-2009, 01:12 AM

FarSideLine

06-12-2009, 01:19 AM

I'm not surprised at all since ron paul supporters pretty much all are registered at stormfront.com and infowars.com...

Don't believe me? Just go to the ronpaulforums and you'll see it linked left and right.

Thank you. You're right.

Plus didn't that one report awhile ago say that Ron Paul supporters were domestic terrorists? Well they bitched about that. Now a few months later, guess what!, they are!

Fuck Ron Paul and fuck his racist right-wing terrorist supporters.

Sharuk

06-12-2009, 01:22 AM

Vessol

06-12-2009, 01:25 AM

As soon as I read this (same charge different wording) yesterday:

In 1983 von Brunn was convicted on kidnapping charges when he tried to abduct members on the Federal Reserve Board.

I knew he was gonna get linked to RP somehow....

What's morbidly hilarious is that this happened like a few days before Ron Paul's bill to Audit the Fed had enough co-signers to pass.

Talk about bad luck. Now the media is bashing Ron Paul and are scaring away and new co-signers.

FarSideLine

06-12-2009, 01:28 AM

Nazis arnt right wing you moron

Waay to Fail

wow. You're an idiot.

Nazi's were completely far-right. They worked with businesses. It's an extreme more nationalistic Facism and Facism is far-right. Idiot.

Qikdraw

06-12-2009, 01:28 AM

OK, just because some nutjob rants on a yahoo group doesn't mean that group supports him.

Plus didn't that one report awhile ago say that Ron Paul supporters were domestic terrorists? Well they bitched about that. Now a few months later, guess what!, they are!

That one report was a state report, and not the DHS report. Plus the state report was a little idiotic, the DHS one was not, and in fact was rather prophetic considering what has been happening lately.

I do find it rather funny that the right wing groups are running away from extremist groups now, when they ran to them after the DHS report came out.

Qikdraw

06-12-2009, 01:32 AM

What's morbidly hilarious is that this happened like a few days before Ron Paul's bill to Audit the Fed had enough co-signers to pass.

Talk about bad luck. Now the media is bashing Ron Paul and are scaring away and new co-signers.

I thought he was getting more people on board in the last few days? I think he's only 18 signatures away? Or am I wrong.

I hope this doesn't effect that bill. I think thats a good thng to do. Fucking Fed is corrupt as shit.

The media loves jumping on anything to bash RP. I'm not a huge fan of him, although I like his plain speaking and do agree with some of the stuff he says, but the media just jumps on him far too much.

tarsus

06-12-2009, 01:52 AM

Omg I heard he also liked ice cream, all ice cream lovers must be nuts too.

JUAN_LOVE

06-12-2009, 02:08 AM

Ron Paul is an American hero. God bless that man and Ron Paul for Prez '12.

Vessol

06-12-2009, 02:23 AM

I thought he was getting more people on board in the last few days? I think he's only 18 signatures away? Or am I wrong.

I hope this doesn't effect that bill. I think thats a good thng to do. Fucking Fed is corrupt as shit.

The media loves jumping on anything to bash RP. I'm not a huge fan of him, although I like his plain speaking and do agree with some of the stuff he says, but the media just jumps on him far too much.

Actually it just passed and will go to the floor. Who knows. This may now affect it as his name is being tarnished.

Caffy

06-12-2009, 03:29 AM

This guy was a nutty 9/11 truther. For some reason they worship RP like some sort of deity despite him calling them a bunch of a fucking lunatics.

wow. You're an idiot.

Nazi's were completely far-right. They worked with businesses. It's an extreme more nationalistic Facism and Facism is far-right. Idiot.

Congratulations, you have usurped SSguy's title as the dumbest person in the entire universe.

If you can manage to dislodge your head from your ass I highly recommend educating yourself before calling people idiots.

Silverhandorder

06-12-2009, 03:45 AM

I should go shoot bunch of white people saying I am an Obama supporter. This shit is the closest I will come to conspiracy theory. Especially the neat list this dude left behind.

Vanno

06-12-2009, 03:47 AM

By virtue of posting about Ron Paul, who is clearly the man behind the curtain of all militantant and terrorist groups in this country or any other, Farsideline has made himself complicit with a global terrorist plot. I humbly plead with a mod to track his IP and report him to our great and honorable constabulary immediately.

Oh shit, I just realized I posted in a Ron Paul thread.

Marrik

06-12-2009, 03:47 AM

Nazis arnt right wing you moron

Waay to Fail

yeah, they are.

Jacques

06-12-2009, 03:51 AM

Personally I think that targeting a Holocaust museum is a bit pointless but kidnapping the Federal Reserve Board and putting the gory results on Liveleak would be pretty awesome.

Vanno

06-12-2009, 03:54 AM

Personally I think that targeting a Holocaust museum is a bit pointless but kidnapping the Federal Reserve Board and putting the gory results on Liveleak would be pretty awesome.

JEW hating terrorist!

Jacques

06-12-2009, 04:13 AM

JEW hating terrorist!

You're the Jew hater for implying that every single person on the Fed's board of governors is a Jew

Vanno

06-12-2009, 04:26 AM

You're the Jew hater for implying that every single person on the Fed's board of governors is a Jew

Wrong nub, learn to cartesian diagram. You would find delight in the televised murder of the Federal Reserve Board. Some of the members are Jews (actually, I am pretty sure all 5 governors are Jewish, but that is aside the point). Therefore, you would find delight in the murder of some jews (you sick perverted fuck). As I said, you, sir, are a Jew hater and a terrorist.

Sharuk

06-12-2009, 07:29 AM

wow. You're an idiot.

Nazi's were completely far-right. They worked with businesses. It's an extreme more nationalistic Facism and Facism is far-right. Idiot.

Facism is Far Left

learn to politics idiot

More Gov=Left

Less=Right

DIAF while you eat up propaganda

also by your logic commies would be right

Commies and Facists are both left, they just defined themselves opposite because they hated each other

Pumpkin

06-12-2009, 07:43 AM

Facism is Far Left

learn to politics idiot

More Gov=Left

Less=Right

DIAF while you eat up propaganda

also by your logic commies would be right

Commies and Facists are both left, they just defined themselves opposite because they hated each other

Maybe in your fantasy world, in reality everybody that got past 4th grade and isn't high sees Facism as extreme right-wing.

And just by your logic being against illegal immigration would be left-wing since it is all about governemnt intervention.

GG you moron.

Silverhandorder

06-12-2009, 08:15 AM

Maybe in your fantasy world, in reality everybody that got past 4th grade and isn't high sees Facism as extreme right-wing.

And just by your logic being against illegal immigration would be left-wing since it is all about governemnt intervention.

GG you moron.

Fascism is government working with corporations. There is nothing right wing about it.

Being against illegal immigration is simply upholding the law. We already allow huge immigration to US. If these fucks can't wait in line what other rules would they decide to skip on. It's not hard to simply refuse to treat them and recognize them in any shape or form. By doing that you take any incentive for them to come here illegally.

tarsus

06-12-2009, 08:17 AM

And this is why we changed to a 2d model instead of a 1d model.

Sqarak

06-12-2009, 09:56 AM

Facism is Far Left

learn to politics idiot
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3503281
More Gov=Left

Less=Right

DIAF while you eat up propaganda

also by your logic commies would be right

Commies and Facists are both left, they just defined themselves opposite because they hated each other

Facism is a state model. Fascism stands for a authoritarian society where the individual serves the state and the leader is the embodiment of the state. It doesn't say anything about the political orientation of said state.

Nazism was right winged fascism.

Caffy

06-12-2009, 10:34 AM

Facism is a state model. Fascism stands for a authoritarian society where the individual serves the state and the leader is the embodiment of the state. It doesn't say anything about the political orientation of said state.

Nazism was right winged fascism.

Yes, clearly National Socialism is right wing.

Are you retarded? <----Rhetorical question.

Pumpkin

06-12-2009, 11:22 AM

Yes, clearly National Socialism is right wing.

Are you retarded? <----Rhetorical question.

And the Democratic Republic of Congo is ruled by democrats?

Education > You

Please stop embarrassing yourself

Lictor

06-12-2009, 11:24 AM

*observes the debaters*

Dark Lily

06-12-2009, 11:56 AM

*observes the debaters*

Are they mass debaters?

Caffy

06-12-2009, 12:08 PM

And the Democratic Republic of Congo is ruled by democrats?

Education > You

Please stop embarrassing yourself

You should really educate yourself so that you don't look so stupid.

Fascism was an outright rejection of classical liberalism(now most often referred to as libertarian) and capitalism.

Mussolini(you know the guy who invented the concept of Fascism) was a radical socialist who rejected the internationalism that it embodied, and so invented his own form of big government totalitarian national socialism. "Everything for the state, nothing against the state" was one of his rallying cries.

Hitler was an instant fan and adopted the system adding his own layers of Aryan propaganda to the National Socialist platform.

When Roosevelt was expanding government in the US like crazy they wrote glowing praise about how "The Americans are beating us at our own game!" Hitler called the New Deal "the quintessence of the German state philosophy."

Are you now going to tell me that the New Deal was ultra right wing? Are you really that stupid?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Lictor

06-12-2009, 12:13 PM

Are they mass debaters?

? :rolleyes:

Sqarak

06-12-2009, 12:18 PM

Yes, clearly National Socialism is right wing.

Are you retarded? <----Rhetorical question.

Yes I'm deeply retarded because I do not simply make conclusions based on a label. To all knowledgeable people about history and politics it is obvious that anything that has "socialism" in it's label must by all means be Far Left.

However, in your ever lasting wisdom please do some proper reading on fascism in general and the NSDAP more specific. Also do some read up on on the points where Mussolini disagreed with Hitler. While you are at it study the left-right axis throughout history very carefully as well and make notes on parties that tended to switch sides. With some luck you are then able to comprehend what your are trying to talk about.

Caffy

06-12-2009, 12:40 PM

Yes I'm deeply retarded

Atleast we agree on something. This puts your entire argument in perspective.

However, in your ever lasting wisdom please do some proper reading on fascism in general and the NSDAP more specific.

I've done just that. Sorry I didn't stop at my local brainwashing academy to pick up my personal leftist propaganda indoctrination.

Also do some read up on on the points where Mussolini disagreed with Hitler.

American Democrats are not in perfect agreement with European socialists. I guess they're complete opposites now. :rolleyes:

While you are at it study the left-right axis throughout history very carefully as well and make notes on parties that tended to switch sides. With some luck you are then able to comprehend what your are trying to talk about.

Parties can change 'sides' as much as they like, but political concepts remain the same. Libertarians could adopt the Communist platform tomorrow, but it wouldn't make Communism right wing. Fascism is left wing, has always been left wing, and at no point was it anything but left wing.

Sqarak

06-12-2009, 01:32 PM

Parties can change 'sides' as much as they like, but political concepts remain the same. Libertarians could adopt the Communist platform tomorrow, but it wouldn't make Communism right wing. Fascism is left wing, has always been left wing, and at no point was it anything but left wing.

Then please give me a couple of sources that says that fascism and Nazism are by definition leftist. The only things I trawl up say that fascism is simply authoritarian without any further statement of the political orientation and that Nazism was right winged.

Condenmed

06-12-2009, 01:42 PM

When Roosevelt was expanding government in the US like crazy they wrote glowing praise about how "The Americans are beating us at our own game!" Hitler called the New Deal "the quintessence of the German state philosophy."

When Hitler praised Roosevelt for expanding government. He was referring to central planning. Both right-wing, and left-wing can implement central planning. Also, both Communism and the Nazi look the same because of central planning. Central Planning dose not necessary mean that the government is big.

Ziegler

06-12-2009, 02:12 PM

I should go shoot bunch of white people saying I am an Obama supporter. This shit is the closest I will come to conspiracy theory. Especially the neat list this dude left behind.

You mean something like.... This? (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=private+long+murdred+by+muslim)

You probably didnt hear about this hate crime...cause well...this hate is ok.

The Cougar

06-12-2009, 02:25 PM

Didn't the Taliban support Obama during the election?

Who here is surprised?

Caffy

06-12-2009, 02:34 PM

Then please give me a couple of sources that says that fascism and Nazism are by definition leftist. The only things I trawl up say that fascism is simply authoritarian without any further statement of the political orientation and that Nazism was right winged.

"The Fascist Experience in Italy" - John Francis Pollard
Corporatism is an Italian Fascist creation... Fascist corporatism is an integrated, unified vision of life and of man which influences every human activity, individual and collective, and consequently also the economy.

Having rejected liberalism as a political system, here Fascism also rejects its economic counterpart, laissez-faire capitalism

"Liberal Fascism" - Jonah Goldberg
The Nazis rose to power exploiting anticapitalist rhetoric they indisputably believed. Even if Hitler was the nihilistic cipher many portray him as, it is impossible to deny the sincerity of the Nazi rank and file who saw themselves as mounting a revolutionary assault on the forces of capitalism.

The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition Copyright 2008 Columbia University Press.

fascism

totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life.

...

Fascism, especially in its early stages, is obliged to be antitheoretical and frankly opportunistic in order to appeal to many diverse groups. Nevertheless, a few key concepts are basic to it. First and most important is the glorification of the state and the total subordination of the individual to it. The state is defined as an organic whole into which individuals must be absorbed for their own and the state's benefit. This "total state" is absolute in its methods and unlimited by law in its control and direction of its citizens.

Yeah, I can just see Ron Paul giving a speech right in line with that. :rolleyes:

StainlessSteelRat

06-12-2009, 04:31 PM

Please cease and desist w/ this factual, logical argument, Caffy. It has no business here.

Badem

06-12-2009, 04:45 PM

this thread fucking sucks like a kiddie sucking a lollipop only to find out its got glass in it

cry me a fucking river, then build a bridge and get over it

Rachsucht

06-12-2009, 04:56 PM

wow. You're an idiot.

Nazi's were completely far-right. They worked with businesses. It's an extreme more nationalistic Facism and Facism is far-right. Idiot.

You're the idiot here, american right wingers are staunchly pro Israel. It's the lefties that hate Israel.

Also:

Nazi = Nationalsocialist

ZeaL-

06-12-2009, 05:39 PM

You're the idiot here, american right wingers are staunchly pro Israel. It's the lefties that hate Israel.

Also:

Nazi = Nationalsocialist

no, you are trying to make things seem black & white. Liberals hate Israel because they see them as a violent country that is attempting a genocide. There are right wingers in the US that would probably die for Israel. However, we are talking about a special minority of loons which are those ultra nationalist Ron Paul supporters that want the US to completely cut ties with every other country. These are the type of right wingers that hate the jews. Since they hold a vast amount of international power.

Silverhandorder

06-12-2009, 08:06 PM

no, you are trying to make things seem black & white. Liberals hate israel because they see them as a violent country that is attempting a genocide. There are right wingers in the us that would probably die for israel. However, we are talking about a special minority of loons which are those ultra nationalist ron paul supporters that want the us to completely cut ties with every other country. These are the type of right wingers that hate the jews. Since they hold a vast amount of international power.

bs

Razel

06-12-2009, 08:25 PM

blah blah blah everyone in america is a terrorist, lock everybuddy up or shoot em i say. We all did afterall support these 'wars' for no apparant reason other than a few rich guys wanted to get richer. Now you and your kids kids will pay for sitting on your hands. We're all guilty. When the economy crashes and you're left homeless and jobless then again you will be to blame because you did nothing. Cattle don't deserve freedom or rights.

The 'war' was needed because they generally pull us out of economic recessions / depressions, however this time it didn't work out so well.

On topic for a second... who gives a fuck if this guy liked, supported, or whatever about ron paul. Thats like saying... a obama supporter robbed a bank and now all of obama supporters are evil. While that may be true to a degree it isnt true of all obama supporters. Stupid cows, grow up.

Caffy

06-12-2009, 08:52 PM

Razel

06-12-2009, 11:26 PM

Well aren't you just a happy drop of sunshine! :D

should catch me on a bad day :)

Just get tired of morons that when hit with a baseball bat they end up arguing with the bat because they are too blind to see who swung it. All this 'terrorism / terrorist' crap was an excuse to invade a country illegally and to later strip you of your freedoms, and now you morons are pointing fingers at each other. ffs just throw yourselves in the dryer for a few hours on high heat already. Works well on kittens too.

StrawberryClock

06-13-2009, 12:45 AM

You're all aware that this is a false-flag operation conducted by the government to crackdown on Paul supporters right?

Razel

06-13-2009, 12:56 AM

You're all aware that this is a false-flag operation conducted by the government to crackdown on Paul supporters right?

that actually wouldnt surprise me

DocGonzo

06-13-2009, 01:37 AM

You're all aware that this is a false-flag operation conducted by the government to crackdown on Paul supporters right?

because they are such a large (guffaw) and credible danger as an electorate, right?

don't be any simpler of mind than genetics require, imo

ZeaL-

06-13-2009, 06:42 AM

bs

Honestly, there are sane RP supporters, but there are also the ones that listen to Alex Jones, and actually think the jews are plotting against them. Plus, they are classified as right wing terrorists by the FBI for a reason. I believe its because they try to use the constitution to justify ultra nationalism. This is of course coupled with the staunch antisemitism they bring to the table.

What RP supporters don't understand is that we already have a huge hold on many countries to just let go off them. It's completely ignorant to say that we should just take all troops out of South Korea or Japan because it would put them in grave danger. Do you think Kim Jon il is gonna idly watch them peacefully live there without asserting dominion over them? Cmon...

I agree that the US does a lot of dumb shit. Like taking over Hawaii, and other areas of land. Obviously, RP is right about the middle east. Fuck, just let Israel nuke the shit out of those stupid fucks. I agree with Paul that we are holding Israel back, anyways.

The fact is though, many RP supporters have a pretty one dimensional view of the world, and think that all things would be solved if big bad america would just stop playing mommy overseas. However, it has gotten to a point where that would be impossible.

-Jotun

06-13-2009, 06:45 AM

Obama supporters rape the taxpayers by withdrawing welfare

so fucking what?

T11Lan

06-13-2009, 06:48 AM

so many SHEEP

BAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Ron Paul is one of the few non-mongoloids left, you should seek his advice

FUCK THE WORLD DONT ASK ME FOR SHIT

Silverhandorder

06-13-2009, 06:58 AM

Honestly, there are sane RP supporters, but there are also the ones that listen to Alex Jones, and actually think the jews are plotting against them. Plus, they are classified as right wing terrorists by the FBI for a reason. I believe its because they try to use the constitution to justify ultra nationalism. This is of course coupled with the staunch antisemitism they bring to the table.
Black Panthers support Barack Obama. Are we gona say all Obama supporters are racists? They barely make up a percentage point. Same goes for white supremacists.

I have yet to meet a white supremacists at a Ron Paul related rally. I been all over the place with that too. So I can hardly beleive they make up any substantial percentage.

What RP supporters don't understand is that we already have a huge hold on many countries to just let go off them. It's completely ignorant to say that we should just take all troops out of South Korea or Japan because it would put them in grave danger. Do you think Kim Jon il is gonna idly watch them peacefully live there without asserting dominion over them? Cmon...

SK would rape Kim a new one. What about Japan and Germany? Do those need protection?

I agree that the US does a lot of dumb shit. Like taking over Hawaii, and other areas of land. Obviously, RP is right about the middle east. Fuck, just let Israel nuke the shit out of those stupid fucks. I agree with Paul that we are holding Israel back, anyways.

Good :).

The fact is though, many RP supporters have a pretty one dimensional view of the world, and think that all things would be solved if big bad america would just stop playing mommy overseas. However, it has gotten to a point where that would be impossible.
Zeal you need to stop lumping people into one big wad of fail. We can discuss imperialism another time.