The Biggest Problem With The American Mindset These Days

[StrawberryClock]

Its the us vs them mentality. Again, I was cruising through facebook and what startled me was the sheer amount of people who trie to create a two sided, black-white world in which Christianity is combating the evils of Islam and Communism.

Almost all of them are supportive of the American Empire and views the different as complete enemies.

So I ask you forumfallers, how do we rid the world of this problem? My best bet is to nuke the South+Midwest.

[Golden_Knight]

The irony in your statement boggles even my vastly superior mind.

Condensed version of your statement:
"I hate people who hate other people... So we should blow up the people whom I hate"

[HiroProtagonist]

The irony in your statement boggles even my vastly superior mind.

Condensed version of your statement:
"I hate people who hate other people... So we should blow up the people whom I hate"

You, sir, win a cookie.

[Vessol]

The irony in your statement boggles even my vastly superior mind.

Condensed version of your statement:
"I hate people who hate other people... So we should blow up the people whom I hate"

You're an idiot.

He has a valid argument.

He never said he hated anyone. He just criticized the mentality of some Americans.

[HiroProtagonist]

You're an idiot.

He has a valid argument.

He never said he hated anyone. He just criticized the mentality of some Americans.

So, nuking someone for disagreeing with your point of view is not evidence of hatred to you?

[Golden_Knight]

You're an idiot.

He has a valid argument.

He never said he hated anyone. He just criticized the mentality of some Americans.

My best bet is to nuke the South+Midwest.

:rolleyes:

[Vessol]

So, nuking someone for disagreeing with your point of view is not evidence of hatred to you?

:rolleyes:

l2 sarcasm

[StrawberryClock]

You're both aware that the last statement was purely for the troll effect. I don't condone nuking or violence in any way. I just don't like the mentality that has engulfed the U.S post 9/11. The die for your country patriotism.

[HiroProtagonist]

Learn how to present sarcasm effectively?

[Greywind]

Its the us vs them mentality. Again, I was cruising through facebook and what startled me was the sheer amount of people who trie to create a two sided, black-white world in which Christianity is combating the evils of Islam and Communism.

Almost all of them are supportive of the American Empire and views the different as complete enemies.

So I ask you forumfallers, how do we rid the world of this problem? My best bet is to nuke the South+Midwest.
Is not it other way?
Communist and Islamist are combating West and Christianity.

[Reckun]

and...we get closer to the human race swallowing itself up :(

[StrawberryClock]

Is not it other way?
Communist and Islamist are combating West and Christianity.

Although communism(not so much anymore) and radical islam is an aggressive expansionist force, America can make do on its own without being big daddy to the world. L2Focusonitsownpeople.

[StrawberryClock]

And the central point of my thread is the people who believe in absolute truism and that their side is the correct side. The same people who love to flaunt patriotism around like it indicates their worth in life.

[Golden_Knight]

You're both aware that the last statement was purely for the troll effect. I don't condone nuking or violence in any way. I just don't like the mentality that has engulfed the U.S post 9/11. The die for your country patriotism.

OK, I will help you back on topic:

It is quite odd that this topic has come up because I actually had a discussion with my Muslim neighbor just yesterday about how the kids in High school treated her in the months after 9/11.

She told me they went as far as pulling off her hijab off and spitting on her...

It really is quite horrible that people can be so ignorant to place all people of one religion into a bubble and call them terrorists.


She told me for awhile her family had to rely on neighbors and close friends (non-Muslims) to do there shopping because of the hatred they experienced when they went in public.

This girl is one of the sweetest nicest people I have ever known and it is hard to believe that anyone could treat her this way because of what some radical extremists did.

[StrawberryClock]

OK, I will help you back on topic:

It is quite odd that this topic has come up because I actually had a discussion with my Muslim neighbor just yesterday about how the kids in High school treated her in the months after 9/11.

She told me they went as far as pulling off her hijab off and spitting on her...

It really is quite horrible that people can be so ignorant to place all people of one religion into a bubble and call them terrorists.

This girl is one of the sweetest nicest people I have ever known and it is hard to believe that anyone could treat her this way because of what some radical extremists did.

This happened in Canada too of all places.

Some idiot decided to burn down a hindu temple in my city. It just shows how amazingly ignorant people can become.

[Vessol]

OK, I will help you back on topic:

It is quite odd that this topic has come up because I actually had a discussion with my Muslim neighbor just yesterday about how the kids in High school treated her in the months after 9/11.

She told me they went as far as pulling off her hijab off and spitting on her...

It really is quite horrible that people can be so ignorant to place all people of one religion into a bubble and call them terrorists.

This girl is one of the sweetest nicest people I have ever known and it is hard to believe that anyone could treat her this way because of what some radical extremists did.

How is it hard to believe? Haven't you read a bit of history. Were you really shocked? People love scapegoats: Jews, Blacks, Irish, Muslims. The more the merrier. How are you possibly surprised by people being fucking dicks after that to muslims? I'm not supporting it, it's fucked up, but are you so ignorant it's hard to believe that happens?
Well, time to grow up boy.

[Bosemann]

I'm not convinced America has any more idiots than anywhere else in the world. There's always going to be a percent of the population that's just plain dumb.

[Golden_Knight]

How is it hard to believe? Haven't you read a bit of history. Were you really shocked? People love scapegoats: Jews, Blacks, Irish, Muslims. The more the merrier. How are you possibly surprised by people being fucking dicks after that to muslims? I'm not supporting it, it's fucked up, but are you so ignorant it's hard to believe that happens?
Well, time to grow up boy.

It was very hard to believe!!! I was Shocked!!!

[Strangia]

And its different now than its ever been? America (and most countries) have had long periods of xenophobia, or hysterical attacks upon minority groups. Its the unfortunate nature of large populations.

[tsalin]

It sounds like the problems you are talking about all stem from one thing: faith. Faith is the biggest problem in America and in the middle east. Faith is a uniquely powerful lens through which men view the world.

Until the inhabitants of the world set aside their faith in the mythologies of islam, christianity, and other devisive and incompatible views of this life and an imaginary afterlife, we will continue to destroy ourselves and breed hatred and contempt toward one another in self-perpetuating tribal feuds. Once faith in has faded into history in the manner of astrology and alchemy, a sensible discourse on the future of our world may begin.

[Bosemann]

It sounds like the problems you are talking about all stem from one thing: faith. Faith is the biggest problem in America and in the middle east. Faith is a uniquely powerful lens through which men view the world.

Until the inhabitants of the world set aside their faith in the mythologies of islam, christianity, and other devisive and incompatible views of this life and an imaginary afterlife, we will continue to destroy ourselves and breed hatred and contempt toward one another in self-perpetuating tribal feuds. Once faith in has faded into history in the manner of astrology and alchemy, a sensible discourse on the future of our world may begin.

Faith isn't the issue. Supposing all religions were gone, the people using faith to hate others will end up using another excuse like racism or nationalism.

[Vanno]

Yes, this indeed is a huge problem in this country (I should add that it is a problem of all humanity, but i can only really speak based on my experience in America.) It has escalated to the point that people have built up these enemies, which are comprised mostly by lies or distortions. What is worse, and sort of contrary position will get you labeled as being part of the conspiracy against them.

To anyone arguing against proressivism, you are a racist right wing christian fundie facsist. To those against conservatism, you are Islamo-jihadist, American hating, Liberal commie. These type of arguments have become inanely predictable, especially in the media. The saddest part, is that people eat it up.

Faith isn't the issue. Supposing all religions were gone, the people using faith to hate others will end up using another excuse like racism or nationalism.

Faith is a convenient scapegoat and rallying point, but the real problem is intellectual lethargy and group think. A lot of this has to be blamed on our educational and media institutions. They report/teach to the least common denominator, and essentially patronize us all.

[StrawberryClock]

The fact that those really in power (well-endowed men and their private politician pulling) are the one's who benefit the most from the riftness that you are talking about really ticks me off.

[Vanno]

The fact that those really in power (well-endowed men and their private politician pulling) are the one's who benefit the most from the riftness that you are talking about really ticks me off.

I'm more annoyed that people fall for the ruses, when they are blatant.

[tsalin]

Faith is a convenient scapegoat and rallying point, but the real problem is intellectual lethargy and group think. A lot of this has to be blamed on our educational and media institutions. They report/teach to the least common denominator, and essentially patronize us all. The "intellectual lethargy" you mentioned is precisely what faith is. When someone worships an omnipotent bronze-age creator of the universe who apparently takes a marked interest in whether or not women choose to wear a headscarf, and who commands that the punishment for reasonable doubt of miracles and magic is death by stoning, all common sense and reasonableness have disappeared.

Faith isn't the issue. Supposing all religions were gone, the people using faith to hate others will end up using another excuse like racism or nationalism.Faith most definitely is an issue and a problem. Apathetic speculation that "other ills would simply take the place of faith" gets us nowhere fast; this type of cynical and unproductive attitude needs to change. While faith, racism, and nationalism have undoubtedly controlled portions of past and present societies due to the mysterious desires of the mind and ego of the human animal, the cure for faith is the same cure for dogmatic racism and nationalism: doubt, common sense, and rational discourse. The root causes of these conflicts and desires may some day be illuminated by neuroscience or a similar field of inquiry, but we have a good idea of the direction we should head in at the present time, and that healthy direction is away from faith and other dogmatic practices which are immune from criticism due to nearly universal taboos.

[Bosemann]

The "intellectual lethargy" you mentioned is precisely what faith is. When someone worships an omnipotent bronze-age creator of the universe who apparently takes a marked interest in whether or not women choose to wear a headscarf, and who commands that the punishment for reasonable doubt of miracles and magic is death by stoning, all common sense and reasonableness have disappeared.

Faith most definitely is an issue and a problem. Apathetic speculation that "other ills would simply take the place of faith" gets us nowhere fast; this type of cynical and unproductive attitude needs to change. While faith, racism, and nationalism have undoubtedly controlled portions of past and present societies due to the mysterious desires of the mind and ego of the human animal, the cure for faith is the same cure for dogmatic racism and nationalism: doubt, common sense, and rational discourse. The root causes of these conflicts and desires may some day be illuminated by neuroscience or a similar field of inquiry, but we have a good idea of the direction we should head in at the present time, and that healthy direction is away from faith and other dogmatic practices which are immune from criticism due to nearly universal taboos.

You've misinterpreted my whole point. The point is the it is the underlying cause, human nature, at fault here. Faith is a serious part of billions of peoples lives, cultures, and societies. Sure there are extreme situations and people in any religion, and you seem to be dwelling on them. There is room for abuse in religions, but the basics tenets of all the major religions promote healthy existence in stable communities and societies.

[Empty Pockets]

Blaming intolerance on religion is like lighting a bonfire in a barbacue pit, putting some steaks on the frame above it, then blaming the frame for burning your steaks when you left them there for 3 hours.

It's not the frame, it's the fire.

It's not the religion, it's human nature, getting rid of the frame won't fix the problem.

And honestly, religion (christianity in particular) has contributed a lot to society, and as it becomes less and less intolerant as time goes on the benefits for society are getting even better. I argued a bigass discussion on this like a few months ago, I could dig up a link if you want it.

[Apex Vertigo]

I'm sure I echo everyone when I say you're argument is ironic not only by this post but by your overall attitude toward Americans. You have proven to be anti-american in many post which only reinforces the "us vs them" attitude and then you bring make this post as if it isn't warranted. Give me a fucking break.

[Gloomrender]

How is it hard to believe? Haven't you read a bit of history. Were you really shocked? People love scapegoats: Jews, Blacks, Irish, Muslims. The more the merrier. How are you possibly surprised by people being fucking dicks after that to muslims? I'm not supporting it, it's fucked up, but are you so ignorant it's hard to believe that happens?
Well, time to grow up boy.

You forget that we Americans are supposed to be better than that (even though evidently were not anymore).

[Bokan]

The framing of the world as black and white has been something that our leaders have done for centuries in order to keep us 'united' against a common enemy while our civil liberties are torn apart for the greater good.

And it works again and again.

People all around the world are basically the same. They want a peaceful place to raise and provide for a family, or to live out their lives.
It's all of the ideologies that get imposed on us by those in power that creates these arbitrary divisions in the human race.

[xpiher]

Its the us vs them mentality. Again, I was cruising through facebook and what startled me was the sheer amount of people who trie to create a two sided, black-white world in which Christianity is combating the evils of Islam and Communism.

Almost all of them are supportive of the American Empire and views the different as complete enemies.

So I ask you forumfallers, how do we rid the world of this problem? My best bet is to nuke the South+Midwest.

Nukes :lmao: didn't read the whole post. Don't nuke the midwest I live there :ohno:

On a more serious note, education and exposing Christian hypocrisy. Its amazing the hate some Christians have against other Christians and how these "Christians" are obvious to the hate.

Edit: The root of the problem is selfishness, if you can get rid of the corrosive nature in selfishness than people wouldn't be so quick to judge. After all, believing that your way is the right and only way is just an advance version of selfishness

[Slisk]

The framing of the world as black and white has been something that our leaders have done for centuries in order to keep us 'united' against a common enemy while our civil liberties are torn apart for the greater good.

And it works again and again.

People all around the world are basically the same. They want a peaceful place to raise and provide for a family, or to live out their lives.
It's all of the ideologies that get imposed on us by those in power that creates these arbitrary divisions in the human race.


Agreed. If you look at the hysteria that was brought on post 9/11 you can see that it was heavily manipulated through the media and the efforts of the leaders of the day to create total panic and a siege / us/them mentality. How else could they justify a ground war against another country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

I think that in general people believe what they are told, and they have been told a pack of shit over the last few years. Ignorance is merely the doorway through which this shit is pushed.

[The Dark Zealot]

isnt it kind of ironic? didnt someone make a thread about how all facebookers are politacally retarded like a week ago?

[Dark Lily]

isnt it kind of ironic? didnt someone make a thread about how all facebookers are politacally retarded like a week ago?

Same guy (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=194805). I suggest he leaves facebook!

[Sqarak]

I'm sure I echo everyone when I say you're argument is ironic not only by this post but by your overall attitude toward Americans. You have proven to be anti-american in many post which only reinforces the "us vs them" attitude and then you bring make this post as if it isn't warranted. Give me a fucking break.

I think you missed the point completely, because if you do not agree with American views you must by all means hate Americans.

Reread that sentence a few times and then you might get what the OP was aiming at.