Can Man Surpass God [Archive]

nessan

05-30-2009, 09:02 AM

Serious philosophical discussion on whether man can surpass god.

phaed

05-30-2009, 09:07 AM

first, you should worry about proving that god(s) exist. then, you'd need to refine what you mean by "surpass."

good luck getting past the first step.

Monkeyninja

05-30-2009, 09:08 AM

Yes. 1 Man 1 cup is a fine example that we already have.

-Havoc-

05-30-2009, 09:10 AM

With nanotechnology, yes.

nessan

05-30-2009, 09:17 AM

first, you should worry about proving that god(s) exist. then, you'd need to refine what you mean by "surpass."

good luck getting past the first step.

Allow me to answer number one by rephrasing the question. If there is an existance upon which either man was created or existance is dependent upon in a fashion similar to drawing and a piece of paper (without the paper, the drawing could not exist), would it be possible for man to surpass such a being?

nessan

05-30-2009, 09:21 AM

One might argue that in order for man to surpass a being as I have described, they would have to exist in a universe outside of the one in which we live. To put this in perspective, think of a movie and a tv. Obviously, if the tv is turned off or broken, the movie seises to exist. However, if the movie were to leave the screen (in a fashion similar to the Ring) would the movie not surpass the tv as it no longer requires it? Is it possible for man to reach such a point that it can surpass God in a similar fashion.

Velleity

05-30-2009, 10:09 AM

You are implying that there is something such as Man, or God for that matter.

;)

Forgin

05-30-2009, 10:35 AM

I already surpassed God because I can destroy him by simply not believing in his existance. Seeing as I have already destroyed this God, I would say I am infinitly more powerful than God.

SSguy

05-30-2009, 10:42 AM

We surpassed God when he let us write whatever the fuck we want in the bible.

Ankh

05-30-2009, 11:42 AM

We surpassed God when he let us write whatever the fuck we want in the bible.

this here

KoomValley

05-30-2009, 11:44 AM

We surpassed God when he let us write whatever the fuck we want in the bible.

He speaks the truth.

Rilman

05-30-2009, 01:25 PM

Well since god does not exisit i would have to say the questions irrelevant.

Targuil

05-30-2009, 02:05 PM

What is this "god" you're talking about anyway?

Someone

05-30-2009, 02:18 PM

Serious philosophical discussion on whether man can surpass god.

Well since we can theoretically create a new universe I think we can manage it. Once we get started on creating new universes atleast. I really want my own personal universe.

Honest Bill

05-30-2009, 02:40 PM

You are assuming that man and god are not one in the same

Condenmed

05-30-2009, 04:40 PM

Man could never pass up god. God can accurately predicate the future. In that God know all past events, and present event.

Villageninja

05-30-2009, 05:35 PM

We surpassed God when he let us write whatever the fuck we want in the bible.

Provided that God does, in fact, even exist.... what this guy said.

verlox2

05-30-2009, 05:41 PM

So you're getting at the whole Lucifer thing?

"I will ascend to the stars of God, to the utmost heights of the sacred mountain, I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, I will make myself like the Most High."

The whole point isn't to surpass God, the point is to become God yourself. And that, my friends, is not a possibility. First you need to know what God actually is, and that isn't possible, as can be seen by so many different faiths, then you would have to devise some way of actually doing it.

So no, it's not possible.

Sharuk

05-30-2009, 06:34 PM

:ohno:All the Big Tough Atheistists have come out in this thread :ohno:

:rolleyes:

Paganini

05-30-2009, 06:35 PM

In the words of Nietzsche, "God is dead, and we have killed him"

verboten

05-30-2009, 07:16 PM

Assuming that one believes in both free will and God, I would assume that people surpass him every day. Free will is another argument altogether..

Koooz

05-30-2009, 07:24 PM

Serious philosophical discussion on whether man can surpass god.

Serious philosophical response on whether man can surpass god

HE FUCKING CAN HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

DocGonzo

05-30-2009, 08:38 PM

In the words of Nietzsche, "God is dead, and we have killed him"

Nietzche is dead - God

spare me the simpering german bullshit...k?

the Answer for the OP is...stop taking those drugs, you are a fucking idiot for the senseless pursuit of what you can never know, an ugly bag of mostly water that has NO significance in this cosmos, and who has demonstrated in this thread that you cannot think your way out of a paper bag...for all that you are taking Metaphysics 101

yer welcome...

Delwyn

05-30-2009, 09:27 PM

We surpassed him when we created him.

Beeblebrox

05-31-2009, 03:26 AM

We can't, he has god mode.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lma o::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Meh.

Honorius

05-31-2009, 03:31 AM

God can not be surpassed, those who want control say there is no God thusly surpassing Him. But in actuality no, we can hardly comprehend the minutia in our own lives.

Beeblebrox

05-31-2009, 03:37 AM

I hope you're talking about Auros, Honorius.

tsalin

05-31-2009, 04:01 AM

God can not be surpassed, those who want control say there is no God thusly surpassing Him. But in actuality no, we can hardly comprehend the minutia in our own lives. please edit your post so that it makes sense

Najwalaylah

05-31-2009, 04:15 AM

God is not what you may say it is; god is an idea.

Men might some day give up the idea of god, but it's unlikely not to survive in some sewer, somewhere.

But the idea may persist until the last man dies, and then die with him.

So, there's a slim chance that man will destroy god; a better chance, but still slight, that man will come out on top of the idea of god; a good possibility that the idea will persist as long as men do; and a certainty that if the idea persists until man ceases to exist, the idea of god will also; and finally, a huge probability that when men cease to exist that it will be men with the idea of god who will be to blame.

JUAN_LOVE

05-31-2009, 04:16 AM

The Abrahamic God is omnipotent. Man cannot be omnipotent, thus man cannot surpass God.

Dark Lily

05-31-2009, 04:22 AM

People worry too much about this God thing. Just chill and live your life.

JUAN_LOVE

05-31-2009, 04:22 AM

People worry too much about this God thing. Just chill and live your life.

quoting ignorance.

DocGonzo

05-31-2009, 04:23 AM

quoting ignorance.

diaf of burning boxxy panties

Honorius

05-31-2009, 04:23 AM

quoting ignorance.

Quoting sadness.

Dark Lily

05-31-2009, 04:24 AM

quoting ignorance.

Not ignorance, opinion. I think you'll find I'm entitled to it.

Paganini

05-31-2009, 04:30 AM

quoting ignorance.

Quoting troll

Bawlin

05-31-2009, 04:49 AM

Baralis

05-31-2009, 05:02 AM

He is responsible for nagging women so it cant be that hard!

phaed

05-31-2009, 07:31 AM

Allow me to answer number one by rephrasing the question. If there is an existance upon which either man was created or existance is dependent upon in a fashion similar to drawing and a piece of paper (without the paper, the drawing could not exist), would it be possible for man to surpass such a being?

i'd think so. by analogy, man creates machine. machine achieves faster evolutionary processes than man. arnold swartzenager starts whoopin ass.

but, for that analogy to be relevant, "God" would have to have an atypical definition (i.e. not omni*.*)

ejnomad07

05-31-2009, 05:48 PM

Until somebody can supply a true definition of what makes a god a god. I would say no, and if somebody could supply a definition of what makes a god a god and prove their definition as true. Would that not prove that god exists? If he does exist how could you surpass him? This topic is moot.

richtomania

05-31-2009, 08:32 PM

The Abrahamic God is omnipotent. Man cannot be omnipotent, thus man cannot surpass God.

The Abrahamic god is self-existent(supposedly).Men created the Abrahamic God(Fact).These two are mutually exclusive, thus The Abrahamic god doesn't exist.

By virtue of existing only, men surpassed The Abrahamic God.

Fro

05-31-2009, 08:33 PM

Serious philosophical discussion on whether man can surpass god.

God doesn't exist.
/Thread.

verlox2

05-31-2009, 08:35 PM

God doesn't exist.
/Thread.

Yes, He does.

richtomania

05-31-2009, 08:39 PM

Yes, He does.

What God is that?

Dargnon

05-31-2009, 08:41 PM

If he believes he can, then yes.

verlox2

05-31-2009, 08:41 PM

What God is that?

The Supreme Being.

The Architect of the Universe, YHVH, Dievas, OM. These are all names that describe the ultimate thing.

JUAN_LOVE

05-31-2009, 09:25 PM

The Abrahamic god is self-existent(supposedly).Men created the Abrahamic God(Fact).These two are mutually exclusive, thus The Abrahamic god doesn't exist.

By virtue of existing only, men surpassed The Abrahamic God.

It is not a fact that the Abrahamic God was created by man. Sorry, learn to think and read up on what facts are.

Jangang

05-31-2009, 10:40 PM

ya, even if you discount the "proving god exists" thing, you still gotta be a lot more specific as to what you are asking... Can we surpass god in what?

Honorius

06-01-2009, 01:11 AM

I hope you're talking about Auros, Honorius.

Does it matter?

Skarskrag

06-01-2009, 02:43 AM

Gloomrender

06-01-2009, 03:50 AM

It is not a fact that the Abrahamic God was created by man. Sorry, learn to think and read up on what facts are.

It is a fact, if you're not delusional. You take it as a fact that Thor doesn't exist. It's no less factual that Yaweh doesn't either.

JUAN_LOVE

06-01-2009, 04:17 AM

It is a fact, if you're not delusional. You take it as a fact that Thor doesn't exist. It's no less factual that Yaweh doesn't either.

You cannot possibly prove that Thor or Yaweh doesn't exist. Don't be a fucking moron.

Gloomrender

06-01-2009, 07:33 AM

You cannot possibly prove that Thor or Yaweh doesn't exist. Don't be a fucking moron.

So you think that Thor might exist? Can I quote you on that? How about Zues? Him too? Maybe Allah as well? Mohammed is the true prophet? You think It's possible?

You don't be a fucking moron.

nate4449

06-01-2009, 07:57 AM

For the sake of argument, I'll go with God existing, of which I am doubtful.

One cannot know the will of God. So, for example, if the argument is that yes, man has surpassed God because God lets things like the Holocaust happen and does nothing while man tries to stop it. Governments may not try (or try hard enough) but there are some humans out there doing something to stop it, like the Darfur fund raisers, protesters, etc.

But, not knowing the will of God, we can't say with certainty that God is doing nothing. Maybe God put those people on earth to stop the bad stuff and rescue others. Maybe God really thinks we deserve some genocide every now and then so does nothing. Maybe God has some other plan for everyone involved. Who knows? Not us.

So we may have or have not surpassed God. We will never know because we can never know God's true will.

And that's what 12 years of Catholic school will do to you :)

Free will?

The holocaust was not a thing, it was an event caused by ignorant MEN. God did not cause the holocaust, free will caused the holocaust. Christ, I hate it when I hear the "but omgz god lets peeple be mean, but I wunt him to be niece so liek he cant exzist" argument from you silly atheist/agnosties'.

Yes, the majority of the bible-belt crowd do give credit to everything that is good to God, and they will do all sorts of magnificent mental gymnastics around explaining the bad things that happen in our world, but for the sake of intelligence I'd at least assume that you "free-thinker" types could imagine how a real God could create a world with free-willed beings whom went on to twist his words/purposes to their own will in fables and scriptures.

But nah, it's simpler to discredit something you will never see or comprehend. This works for gravity as well, at least for a good vertical distance.

... But can we surpass said "God"? Depending on your definition of "surpass"... unlikely. We may be able to surpass/become/exterminate said "God" only if our universe/existence was created with the tools/materials/abilities needed to break out of said universe/existence, which implies that it was in fact meant to be broken out of in order for us to replace God... which implies that God is suicidal, and thus a whiny emo kid who needs to be put out of our misery?

...Hell, at least I got farther than "lul godz dusnt exist, so I'm already soupeerior!!1"

FraBaktos

06-01-2009, 08:04 AM

Allow me to answer number one by rephrasing the question. If there is an existance upon which either man was created or existance is dependent upon in a fashion similar to drawing and a piece of paper (without the paper, the drawing could not exist), would it be possible for man to surpass such a being?

When you can't spell the word "existence" it's difficult to give your abilities of philosophical discussion credence.

Gloomrender

06-01-2009, 08:12 AM

Free will?

The holocaust was not a thing, it was an event caused by ignorant MEN. God did not cause the holocaust, free will caused the holocaust. Christ, I hate it when I hear the "but omgz god lets peeple be mean, but I wunt him to be niece so liek he cant exzist" argument from you silly atheist/agnosties'.

God is supposed to be loving, remember? Oh yeahhh!!!! Forgot about that part, didn't you? Loving gods don't allow things like genocide, and countless thousands of children slowly and painfully starving to death before age 6. Or natural disasters. Nor would a loving and all powerful god allow a rogue ex-servant to consign his children to eternal misery in a 'hell', for being made flawed in the first place.

nate4449

06-01-2009, 08:45 AM

God is supposed to be loving, remember? Oh yeahhh!!!! Forgot about that part, didn't you? Loving gods don't allow things like genocide, and countless thousands of children slowly and painfully starving to death before age 6. Or natural disasters. Nor would a loving and all powerful god allow a rogue ex-servant to consign his children to eternal misery in a 'hell', for being made flawed in the first place.

Omnipotence = Loving?

Why atheists always combat the definitions of God that are the simplest to disprove? While an atheist will decide that, if their definition of God does not exist, them God cannot exist... The rational thinker will understand that there is in fact another option; that the true God does not abide by such a petty-presumptuous-preadolescent definition/opinion of him.

And now, where have we been told that god is a "super-lover"? Oh right, that book thingy that those men wrote, right? Sounds like evangelitical bullshit to me, wouldn't you agree? But on a slightly more serious note... is it possible that he loves them enough to make their own decisions without divine intervention whenever they decide to sin?

Tell me; why do we blame God for the acts of man, or the random oscillations of nature that Man happens to get in the way of? Can we not understand that Man makes his own decisions, and that natural disasters are merely random acts of a "nature" that was designed to exist independent of it's creator, without having cogs turned constantly by an unseen hand?

Made flawed? No sir, we have free will. None are made to fail, but many choose to. And our friend Lucy is most easily explained as a mere tool to keep our sheep-herding ancestors at work, but nonetheless it may indeed be possible that God may love his nonbelievers enough to grant them "eternal life/consciousness/existence" in hell, but not nearly as comfortably as his "A-students".

See? It's just so easy to disprove a planned definition of God, and even easier to explain how another planned definition of God may exist and abide by your petty rules, independent of truly commiting acts of "evil".

Honest Bill

06-01-2009, 09:13 AM

Yeah .. what he said

Crying Hyena

06-01-2009, 08:08 PM

I thought we were part of a Dream being dreamt Brahma and will cease to exist when he wakes up in 3 god days :rolleyes:.

Gem

06-01-2009, 09:32 PM

We surpassed God when he let us write whatever the fuck we want in the bible.

OR DID HE?!?!?!

/owned

JUAN_LOVE

06-01-2009, 11:54 PM

So you think that Thor might exist? Can I quote you on that? How about Zues? Him too? Maybe Allah as well? Mohammed is the true prophet? You think It's possible?

You don't be a fucking moron.

You can't possibly prove it is not.

Gloomrender

06-02-2009, 12:55 AM

You can't possibly prove it is not.

Haha. I'll that for "Yes. I'm dumb enough to suggest that Thor and Zues exist."

I can't possibly prove that a giant talking magical penis that lives on Venus doesn't exist either. However, It's a damn fact. You fail at sense.

gloryhound

06-02-2009, 01:00 AM

Haha. I'll that for "Yes. I'm dumb enough to suggest that Thor and Zues exist."

I can't possibly prove that a giant talking magical penis that lives on Venus doesn't exist either. However, It's a damn fact. You fail at sense.

Good sir, are you trying to imply that the mighty Thor doesn't, infact, exist?

nate4449

06-02-2009, 01:05 AM

Haha. I'll that for "Yes. I'm dumb enough to suggest that Thor and Zues exist."

I can't possibly prove that a giant talking magical penis that lives on Venus doesn't exist either. However, It's a damn fact. You fail at sense.

That was a close one, I almost thought I'd have to hide my penis on another planet again.

Sqarak

06-02-2009, 09:53 AM

Serious philosophical discussion on whether man can surpass god.

Humanity can never surpass a god, because the concept of a god only pops up when people don't understand something and can't be bothered to study, observe or research it.

As we will never ever know everything, the concept of a god will never be surpassed, as there will always be people who find it easier to show blind faith than to do an effort to think about something.

dinkfall

06-02-2009, 12:44 PM

I am God.

88Chaz88

06-02-2009, 12:45 PM

I am God.

And I have surpassed you.

Looks like we have a conclusion kids.