1h needs to do more damage

[yuppy]

They swing too slow OR they hit for too little.

You need to be able to block, counterstike, block again. when you get hit and it is blocked it should create a .5 second or so extra before you can swing again.

[Furtin]

1h sword is fine how it is, polearm are slow enough you can block, counter, block. 2H sword are too fast, and you cannot do this.

Learn to deal with it, it's balanced.

[Ketu]

OP: Post again after your Quickness is more than 50 and you figure out how to use a shield.

[yuppy]

quickness is over 50 and i have plenty high parry. However it is very hard to counter the 2h sword due to its overwhelming damage.

[dariobrun]

deinitely 2hswords are a bit too strong now considering the dmg they deal compared to 1h and the fact that they are fast enough to be close to impossible to parry and retaliate

[Abremalist]

/signed

A slight reduce in damage or a slight increase in swing-time on two-handers would be good.

However, as I've noticed. If you are lucky, some opponents will attack your screaming and wildly swinging a two-hander and will not even notice you are parrying your ass off until they are down 2/3'rds in stamina.

I even managed to do the magical crouch-dodge once.

In the end I died all the times anyway, but I claim extraordinary circumstances.. :p

[TheDor]

Yea, let's make it so that 1h + shield can beat every type of 2h instead of just 2/4 like it is currently. Learn. To. Play.

[Delolith]

Yea, let's make it so that 1h + shield can beat every type of 2h instead of just 2/4 like it is currently. Learn. To. Play.

^ This.

1h + board are fine...do not forget you cannot use a 2h weapon from a mount either. Each style has its advantages.

[greeneggsnoham]

There are two issues with one handed + shield at the moment.

The first issue is that parry doesn't scale AT ALL. As your parry skill goes up, the only thing that improves is the amount of stamina you use per second that you have the parry button pressed. That's it. It does not reduce the stamina drain you receive from being attacked nor does it increase the stamina drain you cause the attacker.

This means that it's effective against new players, but not against players who have two hander or pole arm mastery. The additional damage they do increases the stamina drain on the blocker, making it so the blocker loses stamina just as fast if not faster than the attacker does.

The second problem with one handers is is that the damage increases in mastery seem to be based on percentages, while the damage reduction of armour is based on points. This results in one handed weapons being like tooth picks when fighting people in decent armour, even with mastery.

Oh, one more thing. Whirlwind attack for one handed swords requires that you stand still, unlike every other weapon.

[Sacra Luna]

Yea, let's make it so that 1h + shield can beat every type of 2h instead of just 2/4 like it is currently. Learn. To. Play.

This.

[riddlenzomg]

maybe we should just start a new "how should we change the game mechanics so that you specifically beat everyone" forum
seriously if your having that hard of a time with one handers your clearly not good enough to use them so use something else
you mother fucker

[Delolith]

Oh, one more thing. Whirlwind attack for one handed swords requires that you stand still, unlike every other weapon.

That's a bug and has to be addressed. Has nothing to do with 1h+ shield /2h balance.

you mother fucker

Lol....uncessecary even for the laugh of it.

[Viluin]

They swing too slow OR they hit for too little.

You need to be able to block, counterstike, block again.

YOU CAN. Even against 2h swords. Learn to play.

[Atnas]

They need some balancing. Using a sword and shield for offense is stupid.

[Sinaxxis]

TRANSLATION OF THE OP::: plz plz plz give me the uberest of ubered 1hs that can smite that big scary bad guy in one hit!!!! PWWEEEEZ :lmao:

[yuppy]

SBG only takes me 2 hits now.

[Merkicus]

1h sword is fine how it is, polearm are slow enough you can block, counter, block. 2H sword are too fast, and you cannot do this.

Learn to deal with it, it's balanced.

You're a fucking idiot. I'll explain:

To even suggest that something is 'balanced, get over it' when the game is in an obvious beta 2.0 state displays a complete lack of intelligence on your part. Ergo, vis a vis, you're a fucking idiot.

[Homeless Joe]

really, you should be complaining about 2h swords that hit twice as fast as polearms and only do 2 less dmg than polearms when the polearm is at 50 skill and the 2h sword is at 36. 2h swords are op!! yay!!

[Furtin]

You're a fucking idiot. I'll explain:

To even suggest that something is 'balanced, get over it' when the game is in an obvious beta 2.0 state displays a complete lack of intelligence on your part. Ergo, vis a vis, you're a fucking idiot.

QQ more noob

[Gadzy]

really, you should be complaining about 2h swords that hit twice as fast as polearms and only do 2 less dmg than polearms when the polearm is at 50 skill and the 2h sword is at 36. 2h swords are op!! yay!!

Yeah, since the nerfed the polearm reach it's pretty much useless. It was the only advantage it had to the other melee weapons.

[Kin]

Legit post... It needs tweaked like most things in the game currently.


Save the crying "NO ITS PERFECT LEAVE IT ALONE" for some other time... Like... 1/2 year to a year down the road. Until then... Lets keep tweaking the game into something great that it has the potential to be.


:sly:

[peertje]

YOU CAN. Even against 2h swords. Learn to play.

see you in-game, and we'll give it a shot. me with my 2h sword, you with sword and shield. You cant block and retaliate

[Lictor]

see you in-game, and we'll give it a shot. me with my 2h sword, you with sword and shield. You cant block and retaliate

It's possible sometimes and when opponent does mistakes. If he doesn't and it's 1v1 melee fight S&B vs GS - you're screwed. Even high Quickness won't help you. ;)

Still, eventhough I use S&B myself I don't care, whether 1H swords will be improved or not. I will still use them as my main weapon...

[Masumatek]

1hers don't need more damage. If you want to do more damage, carry multiple weapon types. People should carry a bow, staff, 1h+shield, and 2h weapon. Expecting each weapon to do everything is pretty silly. You want to keep the defensive capabilities of a sword and board but also have high damage with it...tough luck for you. It's not meant to deal heavy damage. It's meant to defend and tank. Each class of weapons has its advantages-bow, staff, 1h, 2her. It wouldn't make sense for an archer to argue that he should be able to fight effectively in close range...nor does it make sense for a 1her to argue he should be able to do heavy damage. 2h is for damage. 1h is for defense, prolonging the fight until you can gain an advantage/backup arrives, and for use on mounts (and they deal heavy damage on mounts), not for great damage on foot....Become a hybrid instead of asking for your favorite weapon type to do it all.

[Ozkar67]

Stop crying and wait until you get the masterys, it will do good damage and you can block.

[Abremalist]

One of the things here is, while I have played from almost the start. I still only have 36 in my primary weapon (one-handed club) and 16 in my secondary weapon (polearm).

Of course I am a casual player, that flat-out refuses to stand and hit another player for 50 hours in order to be able to PvP. I just have other priorities in life.

Despite that. I have clan-members that grinds hard, and still have just gotten some points in a weapon mastery.

The very system is set up in such a way that it encourages people to 'idiot-grind' their weaponskills up. Because if someone says that skill outweighs doing double damage I'd like to see that.

To the issue at hand. While the best PvP build is having several ways, not only having 100 archery and similar skills, having elemental magic for buffs, and weapon-mastery at both one-hander and a two-hander ... most 'normal' players will not reach that level until autumn 2010. Just look at the guy saying 'you need Quickness 100'. Christ in a bucket..

Therefore it is a little weird to discuss balance, if you expect players to have that sort of build. 80% of the players never will. Hardcore power-gamers yes. But most will not.

Most will have to choose to suck at everything, or be decently good at one area. And then one have to accept being rolled when you encounter something your build isn't good at.

[Durindana]

To the issue at hand. While the best PvP build is having several ways, not only having 100 archery and similar skills, having elemental magic for buffs, and weapon-mastery at both one-hander and a two-hander ... most 'normal' players will not reach that level until autumn 2010. Just look at the guy saying 'you need Quickness 100'. Christ in a bucket..

you're getting into the need for the mythical softcap. Yes, it's needed.

But that doesn't change the fact you can do everything you need to do (be at least capable with melee, archery and magic) even at low skill lvls. All of those skills are present at creation for a reason. No, you won't have the masteries and you won't be blasting people with firebolt but you're only marginally less effective. That's the point of the lvl-less game

[Haeso]

YOU CAN. Even against 2h swords. Learn to play.

Depends on ping, tbh. at 150 I can't 100% block GS and retal. Maybe if I had less -shrug- and if someone has 250+? LOL gl