Why are 2h weapons still so unbalanced?

[Kzuri]

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[peertje]

a known problem, but knowing AV, its not gonna be fixed soon

[Daelyx]

Actually, the blow for blow dps of Greatsword>Polearm. Not by much though. Run some tests with equal skill level/newbie weapons.

[uniqueuser]

Why havn't Aventurine done anything to fix the imbalance yet?Because they don't know what the fuck they're doing and they're waiting for us test—err, players to do their game design for them.

[Furyos]

Greatswords are better than Polearms...

[Kzuri]

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[Furyos]

Not at mastery level, no.

Maybe so, but the polearm knockback is a pain and I wish I had picked up 2H swords.

[Kzuri]

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[Rhaikh]

I liked the part where you said you didn't want that character anyway because it was a polearm user.

[Lolpve]

How the hell did you level to 70 mastery without dummys ?

[Ganondorf]

It's not a complicated fix so i have hope aventurine will rebalance weapons soon, i'm not skilling a different melee weapon because i know it'll get fixed. We need to make sure the devs know how bad the unbalance is, by posting here and sending mails to them.

[Frostfel]

absolutely agree! I would like to go on using my 2h Axe, but right now its really unbalanced. Need changes!!

[[O]_Fawkes]

Actually, the blow for blow dps of Greatsword>Polearm. Not by much though. Run some tests with equal skill level/newbie weapons.
Yes but with the Polearm's reach and the damage it really doesn't matter. Greatsword are good, but Polearms are better due to the fact that they can hit anywhere inside their reach, basically making them massive Greatswords. If they really want to show people why soldiers in the Middle Ages didn't run around mowing the lawn with Polearms they should implement the obvious oversight that the only place a polearm does damage is the tip.

[naga_ownage]

OP QQing when he is hitting for up to 32 in teh back with a newbie weapon? None of the other weapons even come close to that much damage. If axes were given the same reach and arc as a polearm, why would any use a polearm?

Also, to the person who said greatswords have higher DPS than a polearm blow for blow, this is inaccurate. Polearms hit for more damage than greatswords per hit. Meaning blow for blow they do more DPS. However, on targets with equal slashing and pieces protections, greatswords do more dps than a polearm, just not blow for blow.

Greataxes do the most dps out of all the weapons in the game, depending on armor, greatblunts can actually come ahead of greataxes.

The weapons in the game are more balanced than you would think.

My suggestion to the people who use a weapon they don't like, change to a weapon you do like...

You can't start using a greataxe knowing its advantages/disadvantages and then complain about the disadvantages later. If you think polearms are so much better, start using polearms.

Their is a reason some of the best PvPers in the game use greataxes, however I would agree that for a NA player with high ping, using a greataxe as your primary method of dealing damage will be dificult. Know the advantages of the weapon and expliot them, however, doing most your damage with greataxes is not one of its strengths, at least not for someone with high ping.

[Sin'jin]

OP QQing when he is hitting for up to 32 in teh back with a newbie weapon? None of the other weapons even come close to that much damage. If axes were given the same reach and arc as a polearm, why would any use a polearm?

Also, to the person who said greatswords have higher DPS than a polearm blow for blow, this is inaccurate. Polearms hit for more damage than greatswords per hit. Meaning blow for blow they do more DPS. However, on targets with equal slashing and pieces protections, greatswords do more dps than a polearm, just not blow for blow.

Greataxes do the most dps out of all the weapons in the game, depending on armor, greatblunts can actually come ahead of greataxes.

The weapons in the game are more balanced than you would think.

My suggestion to the people who use a weapon they don't like, change to a weapon you do like...

You can't start using a greataxe knowing its advantages/disadvantages and then complain about the disadvantages later. If you think polearms are so much better, start using polearms.

Their is a reason some of the best PvPers in the game use greataxes, however I would agree that for a NA player with high ping, using a greataxe as your primary method of dealing damage will be dificult. Know the advantages of the weapon and expliot them, however, doing most your damage with greataxes is not one of its strengths, at least not for someone with high ping.

Everyone wants what is percieved as the "best" when in fact its all about how you play. Very good post.

[Ganondorf]

It doesn't explain why a polearm having more range more arc and more damage than a greatclub is balanced. It's not style of play, it's just that one weapon is better across all stats and it shouldn't be that way.

About greataxes, they have a little more damage but still less arc, less range, also in pvp you don't get to do full dps so the polearm dps in pvp is usually the same or higher than a greataxe.. still polearms are better across all stats.

[Wufiavelli]

I am not sure why this is either. The only thing i can think of is they plan on revamping sprinting.

[EclipsedTerror]

OP QQing when he is hitting for up to 32 in teh back with a newbie weapon? None of the other weapons even come close to that much damage. If axes were given the same reach and arc as a polearm, why would any use a polearm?


Getting hit for 40's by polearm is less than 32? Interesting.

[naga_ownage]

It doesn't explain why a polearm having more range more arc and more damage than a greatclub is balanced. It's not style of play, it's just that one weapon is better across all stats and it shouldn't be that way.

About greataxes, they have a little more damage but still less arc, less range, also in pvp you don't get to do full dps so the polearm dps in pvp is usually the same or higher than a greataxe.. still polearms are better across all stats.

I wouldn't say that polearms are better across all stats, their are a few situations I can think of where greataxes are superior than a polearm. If you chose polearms to use as a melee weapon for that style of play, you would be gimping youself.

Getting hit for 40's by polearm is less than 32? Interesting.

The newbie weapon damage of a greataxe hits for more than a polearm, same with other ranks.

I thinky your making the mistake of comparing a polearm using with more str and more mastery to that of the OP. To be honest though, i've yet to see a redreach hit for 40 in the back.

[Giovannino]

Polearm and greatsword are overpowered. Fact? 99% of the server use it.

[uniqueuser]

If you chose polearms to use as a melee weapon for that style of play, you would be gimping youself.Yeah, when your playstyle is centered around losing.

[Wufiavelli]

The fact polearm and greatsword overpowered is pretty much given.

The Main reason is that people sprinting constantly make range one of the most important factor. Until sprinting is revamped like they said they would in beta you are not going to see this balance changing unless all weapons are given equal range (exception of daggers).

[Haeso]

_Fawkes;3333253']Yes but with the Polearm's reach and the damage it really doesn't matter. Greatsword are good, but Polearms are better due to the fact that they can hit anywhere inside their reach, basically making them massive Greatswords. If they really want to show people why soldiers in the Middle Ages didn't run around mowing the lawn with Polearms they should implement the obvious oversight that the only place a polearm does damage is the tip.

Only if my polearm insta-kills mounts =)

[Kain119]

I don't get why people keep saying 2h swords are better than polearms, unless they are polearm users and they don't want more polearm users around to kill them. The fact is you cant miss with a polearm, and with the whole sprinting in a circle and swinging tactic that EVERY polearm user uses, the polearm is definitely the best weapon by far right now.

[cosy]

i dint read all the thread but seams OP only consider the damage per hit not damage per second

OP can u make some numbers and show us some DPS (damage per second)

-thx

[raff01]

greatswords are better than polearm since they swing faster and use less stamina

[Delolith]

greatswords are better than polearm since they swing faster and use less stamina

True in a game that doesn't allow effective jousting;) In a game that both sides know how to joust properly, slower-harder hitting weapon wins 100% of the time if both players are of equal skill.

[Lord0bsidian]

Not at mastery level, no.


polearm might be better in a straight up melee duel because of the easymode range, but in normal combat, the main purpose of melee is to counter archery/magic. with the knockback on polearm, you're actually helping them kite you.

[Delolith]

polearm might be better in a straight up melee duel because of the easymode range, but in normal combat, the main purpose of melee is to counter archery/magic. with the knockback on polearm, you're actually helping them kite you.

The innate polearm knockback will actually drive them 1/10 of the second ahead of you compared to where they were. I doubt that thing is preventing you from catching them up and makes their kiting so much more efficient.

[Viluin]

True in a game that doesn't allow effective jousting;) In a game that both sides know how to joust properly, slower-harder hitting weapon wins 100% of the time if both players are of equal skill.

Lol no. What you are forgetting is that it takes longer for the polearm to hit its target after you click the button. There isn't just a longer delay after each swing for you, your entire swing is much slower. Polearms are much easier to dodge because of this despite their huge arc. They are also much easier to bait into whiffing because they have to start swinging sooner, when you are still well out of range.

I dueled someone who claimed arc > everything and that polearms were the best weapons. He was pretty good. We were fully geared in good gear. I killed him with 90% of my health remaining. Not because he was bad, but because he was using a polearm. Polearm users fight in slow-mo.

[BaruBG]

_Fawkes;3333253']Yes but with the Polearm's reach and the damage it really doesn't matter. Greatsword are good, but Polearms are better due to the fact that they can hit anywhere inside their reach, basically making them massive Greatswords. If they really want to show people why soldiers in the Middle Ages didn't run around mowing the lawn with Polearms they should implement the obvious oversight that the only place a polearm does damage is the tip.

Thats the first good suggestion i've heard from months!!

[Arnfiarnunn]

Some details:
- range of hammer and axe are equal
- axe dmg are better than hammer dmg but less bludg resist indeed

[Ramladu]

Not sure about axes, but Greatclubs have slightly less range than 1-handed swords. That seems kinda stupid to me.

I also think it's funny that you don't even mention daggers which are by far the most useless piece of shit weapons you could possibly outfit your character with. They need tuning before anything else. Lowest range, lowest parry percentage (also drains the least stam from the attacker), break quicker than any other weapon, etc. Sure they're fast, but dps wise they're really no better than any other 2h. The lack of range and low damage per swing make them completely combat ineffective.

[EclipsedTerror]

Not sure about axes, but Greatclubs have slightly less range than 1-handed swords. That seems kinda stupid to me.


What?

-GH has more range than both GA and 1H weapons.
-GH has a larger arc than GA and is about on par with GS.