5 second grace after dismounting

[theguruofreason]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?

[NatMack]

Go back to WOW carebear.

I think that will pretty much sum up all of the answers you'd get to this lame post. Don't dismount near people. You're lucky they didn't kill your mount for riding it into town.

[Dracster]

Stupid idea just be careful instead.

[Furyos]

Go back to WOW carebear. Or learn from your mistake and be a better player, then jack someone else's mount when they mess up to square up.

[stingerII]

I disagree also. Unless you're in an ally city or something of the sort you should never dismount near strangers. And even then I'd avoid dismounting near other players

[Aramir]

Stealing or killing mounts should result in rogue status.
I really dont understand why AV implement alligment system that rewards thievery and punish people that want to defend their mount (aligment hit for killing someone hitting your mount).

Mount spawned from figurine still belongs to someone who spawned that mount - if someone else try to steal it he should be marked rogue (stealing mounts should be possible, but thief should ruuun, not hide in city near guard tower...). If mount is left unattended (ie 1 min after spawning / dismounting) it goes "grey" and anyone can take or despawn it without going rogue.

[Corwen]

How could you not see this coming?

[theguruofreason]

How could you not see this coming?I just wasn't paying attention and I'm obviously not too hurt about it. I just honestly think it's a bad mechanic because you can't, essentially, ride mounts into town and then dismount safely... in town...

I really don't think calling for a 5 second grace period to allow you to pack your mount is carebear... especially since it has no bearing on PvP whatsoever. You can still steal mounts people have left unattended for even 6 seconds (which will ALWAYS allow stealing the mounts of people who jump off to PvP). Come to think of it, should be a 5 second grace when you summon a mount too. The ONLY thing I see this doing is allowing people to mount/dismount in towns without fear of some random person running off with their transportation, consequence free.

A lot of this game has been a learning experience for me, and I accept that, but this just doesn't seem necessary. It's just a ninjaloot mechanic and I really don't see any reason not to implement a fix (no one has given any reasons here).

But I guess it's more important to tell me to go back to WoW and swing your epeen then provide commentary. Thanks trolls! Keep encouraging :ninja: looting... I guess...

BTW: I came from EVE. Haven't played WoW in years.

[Ausei]

FIRST mount.....

Its life is never a good one lol

[MrShine]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?

So basically, this is what you posted:

I made a noobie mistake with my mount, and someone took advantage of it. Instead of learning from said mistake, I would rather the game mechanics be changed so that I can continue to make the same mistake without getting punished for it.

Sorry, but I don't think you are going to get much sympathy from this forum.

[Furyos]

^

Which can be the response to 99% of the suggestions on this board.

[CSlotterback]

heres what you do so you will never make that mistake again.

1. buy a sickle

2. go to a bush and click away

3. while clicking remember how fuckin boring it is so you wont make the mistake again :bang:

4. get a steedgrass eventually

5. sell/trade steedgrass for a BRAND NEW MOUNT!

6. dont make mistake again


NOW YOU HAS NEW MOUNT ZOMGZ

[Xez]

Leave it as it is. But make some horse stables in the towns where you can safely unmount.

Way to realism.

[MrDDT]

I would like to see them change it so, you can insta repack a mount but takes you 5 to 10 seconds to call one out of figurine form.

[The Dark Zealot]

Why are people saying we should adapt to a broken game mechanic?

[Metamorphosis]

People would just do a knockback on ya and steal it anyway. Towers won't kill a person before they go unrogue from a single hit. Your idea is flawed and carebearish. The worst kind.

[Smurfz]

Sorry OP. This would suck hardcore ass.

[Busk]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?

well again i think implanting old UO ways would fix this problem, the horse is yours, anyone hittin it or tryin to steal it should be flagged criminal (for you only) or perhaps for those near enough to have seen the act ?

[MrDDT]

well again i think implanting old UO ways would fix this problem, the horse is yours, anyone hittin it or tryin to steal it should be flagged criminal (for you only) or perhaps for those near enough to have seen the act ?

This goes against all of what DF is about.
Notice that NOTHING in DF is like that? Banks, cannons, mounts, weapons or items, towns' merchants/vendors or anything.
Only 1 thing which is the clanstone as you can understand why. (oh ya almost forgot gates)

[Patrician]

There are three types of people being bound at starter towns:

-) Newbs
-) Griefers
-) Retards

Get out of there as soon as you can, every Chaos Stone in the middle of nowhere is safer.

[IdleWylde]

The whole system is retarded. There should be no mount in your pocket. Give us stables and mounts who fight back against attackers and would be thieves.

[theguruofreason]

So basically, this is what you posted:

I made a noobie mistake with my mount, and someone took advantage of it. Instead of learning from said mistake, I would rather the game mechanics be changed so that I can continue to make the same mistake without getting punished for it.

Sorry, but I don't think you are going to get much sympathy from this forum.Way to read my posts. I don't give a crap about losing that mount, I'm not QQing, I don't want it back, I'm not looking for any sort of sympathy, I don't CARE. People like you make me :bang: because you can't see past a story to the main point. Learn to read, maybe? I simply think it's a mechanic that encourages ninja looting and discourages riding mounts in town. Why would we want to do those two things?!

This should not be a "mistake" you can make, because it's perfectly reasonable to expect to not lose your mount simply because you tried to pack it in town.

Also, READ MY POSTS GENIUS:
A lot of this game has been a learning experience for me, and I accept that, but this just doesn't seem necessary. It's just a ninjaloot mechanic and I really don't see any reason not to implement a fix (no one has given any reasons here).

[Three Dog]

ok, ok, i'm a stupid newb and the first thing i did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and try to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing i could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where no one can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?

caaarebear

[Dark Stealth]

instead, make it so that attacking and stealing mounts makes you grey and eventually lose alignment if you either kill it or ride it for awhile/pack it. Afterall, it IS stealing/backstabbing and you would be punished for doing that in any other situation...

[theguruofreason]

Sorry OP. This would suck hardcore ass.Why?!

[kvos]

I just honestly think it's a bad mechanic because you can't, essentially, ride mounts into town and then dismount safely... in town...

Give it time, I'm sure they will implement something eventually... because its quite lame we can't ride into town with our mounts for fear some idiot is going to kill it and also that we have to dismount in a place where no one is around so they can't steal it.

Go back to WOW carebear.

I think that will pretty much sum up all of the answers you'd get to this lame post. Don't dismount near people. You're lucky they didn't kill your mount for riding it into town.

It's not a hardcore/carebear issue here. It's just about tolerating an annoyance.

[Slaught3r]

Its not that difficult/inconvenient to dismount outside of town...... its already crowded enough around the banks and such..... Just take a look around before you hop off your mount and you will be fine...

[theguruofreason]

Its not that difficult/inconvenient to dismount outside of town...... its already crowded enough around the banks and such..... Just take a look around before you hop off your mount and you will be fine...I understand that, and I will, the point is that I shouldn't have to. What does it add to the game? No one seems to be able to tell me.

[Czar Nicholas]

i think you should be able to kill the guy who steals ur mount without penalty

[Multisurgeon]

if you lose your mount to someone who steals it, then you're stupid... plain and simple

[tarian85]

The ONLY thing I see this doing is allowing people to mount/dismount in towns without fear of some random person running off with their transportation, consequence free.
So you want no consequences for being a RETARD? People like you need to learn the hard way.

[peertje]

Stealing or killing mounts should result in rogue status.
I really dont understand why AV implement alligment system that rewards thievery and punish people that want to defend their mount (aligment hit for killing someone hitting your mount).

Mount spawned from figurine still belongs to someone who spawned that mount - if someone else try to steal it he should be marked rogue (stealing mounts should be possible, but thief should ruuun, not hide in city near guard tower...). If mount is left unattended (ie 1 min after spawning / dismounting) it goes "grey" and anyone can take or despawn it without going rogue.

when you spawn it it is an object in the game world. when you jump on it you are riding it. when I kill you or simply jump on it, I am riding it. It doesn't make it my mount, it makes it something I use... just deal with it - you don't own mounts, you use them

[junkoe]

Why are people saying we should adapt to a broken game mechanic?

Why do you think there is anything broken.

It seems to be working as intended, mounts just like all items are there until you lose them.

Try and hold onto them better if you don't want to lose them.

[junkoe]

Give it time, I'm sure they will implement something eventually... because its quite lame we can't ride into town with our mounts for fear some idiot is going to kill it and also that we have to dismount in a place where no one is around so they can't steal it.



It's not a hardcore/carebear issue here. It's just about tolerating an annoyance.

Are you fucking serious? Where the fuck do people like you come from even being in Darkfall. I thought this game didn't cater to your types.

This is Darkfall, it's not supposed to be easy. It's difficult and a pain in the ass a lot of time, and that's why it's good. The reward is in learning not to fuck up all the time and have losses. It's a reversal from the wow type of games where they reward you up front, and discourage making things hard for the player.

[Furyos]

Only 1 thing which is the clanstone as you can understand why. (oh ya almost forgot gates)

It wasn't always this way. We lost our city because of no walls and warred guilds bound to our stone.

[Helba]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?


the reason why there is none becuase its not acualy yours! lol since anyone can ride it, it cant be based only to you. Plus the mounts can be killed so whats better stollen or killed :D

[NiKtheALiEN]

Stealing or killing mounts should result in rogue status.
I really dont understand why AV implement alligment system that rewards thievery and punish people that want to defend their mount (aligment hit for killing someone hitting your mount).

Mount spawned from figurine still belongs to someone who spawned that mount - if someone else try to steal it he should be marked rogue (stealing mounts should be possible, but thief should ruuun, not hide in city near guard tower...). If mount is left unattended (ie 1 min after spawning / dismounting) it goes "grey" and anyone can take or despawn it without going rogue.

This.

[Klayo]

I understand that, and I will, the point is that I shouldn't have to. What does it add to the game? No one seems to be able to tell me.
What does any feature add to the game then? I played this game just to steal mounts nothing else. If they took this away I would quit. Every feature appeals to someone in some way and this one appeals to me. I love stealing mounts. I actually roleplay stealing mounts a wear a mask while I lurk around in Sanguine. I then pounce on unsuspecting mounts and touch myself as I ride away.

[Talinthis]

to the op.

was it a drake?

if it was my friend swiped it from you yesterday lol

[Pexx]

This is a hardcore game get used to it or leave it's as simple as that.

[DaveDFF]

I understand that, and I will, the point is that I shouldn't have to. What does it add to the game? No one seems to be able to tell me.

Bit of a stupid question you know exactly what it adds.... As you are an example of it.

[Benevolence]

Why are people saying we should adapt to a broken game mechanic?

why do you assume its a broken game mechanic?

Its working as intended.

Why do people assume anything that can hurt them in any way is a broken game mechanic?



What is so hard to understand about a hardcore pvp game where getting screwed is the rule not the exception.

you are MEANT to lose stuff and get screwed in this game. get used to it or GTFO.

[Valaska]

to the op.

was it a drake?

if it was my friend swiped it from you yesterday lol


... I DIDN"T DO NOTHIN! YAH AINT GOT NOOOO PROOF! Other than this guys drake that I put in my bank >.>.. But other then that nothin! OJ walked and so will I!

[junkoe]

What does any feature add to the game then? I played this game just to steal mounts nothing else. If they took this away I would quit. Every feature appeals to someone in some way and this one appeals to me. I love stealing mounts. I actually roleplay stealing mounts a wear a mask while I lurk around in Sanguine. I then pounce on unsuspecting mounts and touch myself as I ride away.

nice... especially the last part

[Sketeg Eight]

in a game where you can kill anyone you see, stealing their car is so unbelievable, amirite?

[theguruofreason]

Are you fucking serious? Where the fuck do people like you come from even being in Darkfall. I thought this game didn't cater to your types.

This is Darkfall, it's not supposed to be easy. It's difficult and a pain in the ass a lot of time, and that's why it's good. The reward is in learning not to fuck up all the time and have losses. It's a reversal from the wow type of games where they reward you up front, and discourage making things hard for the player.... are you fucking serious?

So basically the reason is because "teh game is moar hardcore" if you can do things like this. That's the reason? We love it because it hurts us for no reason? That's what you want?

How about this, there's a game where you're a little gray pixel on the whole screen, and as soon as the game starts a countdown timer starts. When the timer is over you lose unless you're in exactly the correct spot on the screen.

By your definition, that's the best fucking game ever.

Or, if you're NOT talking about NOT being able to mount/dismount/even-fucking-ride-through town safely, then I sort of see what you're saying. If it were that someone had ganked me in the wilderness (which has happened multiple times), I would understand what you're saying. But basically you're all defending the position that it's better to not be able to ride in town at all then have a 5 second grace period, even though you could still EASILY steal mounts after that 5 second period.

Is that it? REALLY?! :bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

Seriously, that's not "moar hardcore"... it's just retarded. I don't feel "rewarded" by "learning" not to ride in town, I just feel gimped.

And btw... yes... it was a drake. Haha!

[Snowed]

.raeberac WOW ot kcab oG

[Talinthis]

... are you fucking serious?

So basically the reason is because "teh game is moar hardcore" if you can do things like this. That's the reason? We love it because it hurts us for no reason? That's what you want?

How about this, there's a game where you're a little gray pixel on the whole screen, and as soon as the game starts a countdown timer starts. When the timer is over you lose unless you're in exactly the correct spot on the screen.

By your definition, that's the best fucking game ever.

Or, if you're NOT talking about NOT being able to mount/dismount/even-fucking-ride-through town safely, then I sort of see what you're saying. If it were that someone had ganked me in the wilderness (which has happened multiple times), I would understand what you're saying. But basically you're all defending the position that it's better to not be able to ride in town at all then have a 5 second grace period, even though you could still EASILY steal mounts after that 5 second period.

Is that it? REALLY?! :bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

Seriously, that's not "moar hardcore"... it's just retarded. I don't feel "rewarded" by "learning" not to ride in town, I just feel gimped.

And btw... yes... it was a drake. Haha!

lol so it was. im pretty sure i seen you running after my buddy.. didnt really pay attention to the name i just seen someone chasing him. sorry for your loss buddy. if it makes you feel better i lost my first mount taking like 30 steps out of whiteclaw and getting shot down by a bunch of reds standing behind a rock for some reason..

[bushviper]

why the hell do ppl jump on som1s asses when they ask somthing.....first of all i would love to see this hole gd alignment system thrown out the window and steped on....

why they dident keep the guards in towns is beyond me think its stupid for a ffa pvp game when i cant kill jack w\o getin penilized for it as som1 said

(yes i kno my speling sucks im tired its almost time for bed sue me :P lol)

[junkoe]

How about this, there's a game where you're a little gray pixel on the whole screen, and as soon as the game starts a countdown timer starts. When the timer is over you lose unless you're in exactly the correct spot on the screen.

By your definition, that's the best fucking game ever.



For starters yes that game sounds awesome, like a new mine sweeper. I should make that an get paid tons of cash when it's part of the MS games default suite.



Or, if you're NOT talking about NOT being able to mount/dismount/even-fucking-ride-through town safely, then I sort of see what you're saying. If it were that someone had ganked me in the wilderness (which has happened multiple times), I would understand what you're saying. But basically you're all defending the position that it's better to not be able to ride in town at all then have a 5 second grace period, even though you could still EASILY steal mounts after that 5 second period.

Is that it? REALLY?! :bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

Seriously, that's not "moar hardcore"... it's just retarded. I don't feel "rewarded" by "learning" not to ride in town, I just feel gimped.

And btw... yes... it was a drake. Haha!

On this, you pretty much said my thoughts yourself. I don't think anyone should be able to fucking ride ANYWHERE safely. I wish we had no towers an no alignment, fuck you all, only the strong survive. That will never happen though.

Also yes I would rather not see retards riding around town on mounts than to have that weaksauce timer you suggest. Mounts are just like a piece of armor or a sword. It's only good till it breaks or till you no longer have it.

A mount is not part of your fucking character, you have no damn right to it. Just be lucky you have it for the time you do. Think of it like a set of banded. Costs about the same.

[Osirus]

a resounding NO!

[theguruofreason]

Also yes I would rather not see retards riding around town on mounts than to have that weaksauce timer you suggest. Mounts are just like a piece of armor or a sword. It's only good till it breaks or till you no longer have it.If mounts ARE just like a piece of armor or a sword, then you should have the same penalties for stealing it, correct? You can't take someone's gear without killing them, so why should you be able to run off with someone's mount without any effort?

Anyway, I don't think almost any of you are really truly considering what this idea would mean... so screw it... you're all morons... post a reason why it shouldn't be implemented or shut up. I still haven't seen a single one.

[retrospect]

The dev's said during development that you would be able to steal another persons mount if it is out. There is your reason. Your only thinking about cities. The ability to safely despawn a mount in a combat situation should never be added.

As you can see most people agree with the 5 second window for someone to steal your shit. I've often forced someone trying to despawn a mount to hop back on and get some distance from me giving me time to escape or just took it from them.

[lycron]

I'd rather see it increase to 20 seconds than to see that......
I think that there should be timer when you spawn ur mount too, cuz being able to hop on your mount and run at any given time is kinda gay...... Makes it toooooooo easy to run like a ho in most situations.

[alhazred]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?

*SMACK think think think

and as for your question

Thoughts?
you need to have some on your own

[Valaska]

I was the guy who stole this guys mount peoples!

[SHo]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?

So funny... this is how I got my first ever mount! :)

[Valaska]

So funny... this is how I got my first ever mount! :)

lol isn't it a rush to take off with that bugger while they are chasing you! Hehe, good times prolly my most fun moment in the game.. Oh that and when I got onto Apollo's canon and started shooting at their own base lol.

[MrShine]

Way to read my posts. I don't give a crap about losing that mount, I'm not QQing, I don't want it back, I'm not looking for any sort of sympathy, I don't CARE. People like you make me :bang: because you can't see past a story to the main point. Learn to read, maybe? I simply think it's a mechanic that encourages ninja looting and discourages riding mounts in town. Why would we want to do those two things?!

This should not be a "mistake" you can make, because it's perfectly reasonable to expect to not lose your mount simply because you tried to pack it in town.

Also, READ MY POSTS GENIUS:

I did read your post, and I understand your point of view. You know that you made a mistake and got taken advantage of, and you supposedly aren't mad.

...But you still have a certain viewpoint of how the game SHOULD be (I should be able to mount/dismount where I please without having my mount ninja'd out from underneath me) and expect the gameplay mechanics to be molded around your specific viewpoint. Now if some mechanic was completely broken I would agree with you, but in this case the mechanics are working just fine. Anyone can hope onto a mount and ride away, therefore players need to adjust their style and protect their mounts.

What this means is that a smart player shouldn't dismount in unfriendly territory. This means that you shouldn't be riding around in town, period. This means that a wise player will dismount prior to entering a town, and will only spawn a mount once they are away from the rest of the populace there.

Now since you are so keen on getting reasons why your idea is a bad idea, I can give you a couple.

1- As someone else has already mentioned, your suggested fix is easily griefed by players disrupting the desummoning process through abilities like knockback or launch.
2-It would be extremely annoying to dismount, only to realize that you need to wait 5 seconds before hopping back on it.
3-It would mess with PvP encounters. If you dismount, you cannot quickly hope back onto your mount. Similarly, if an enemy dismounts, no one would be able to swoop in and jack their mount from them before the 5 second period. As you can see from this one, there ARE viable reasons that the ability to jump onto any mount at any time can be used in situations other than griefing.
4- If for some reason your idea was implemented, there would need to be a visual indicator of some sort to let you know when you can, cannot jump onto a mount.

Basically, there are way way too many negative side effects that grow out of this idea. The best thing to do is to suck it up, realize that mount mechanics are fine as they are currently implemented, and leave them alone and learn from them. If you really really want to ride mounts in town freely, get a group of trustworthy friends together and take over a player city/hamlet.

[fredferret22]

Mounts are one of the few things that the Devs did COMPLETELY correct. The mount system is wonderful. You never actually 'own' the mount. But you are a fucktard and have no common sense, you should NEVER ride your mount into a npc city unless you want it to die or get stolen. It's just common sense, even riding your mount close to town can be dangerous. People can kill your mount without going rogue too. It was done beautifully you should never have any kind of ownership over your mount except when on it or when it's in your pack.

[Deharak]

Yeah lets add this. But make it 30 seconds I get major fps lag sometimes. Also when someone attacks you you should have a 1 minute period where you;re invulnerable so you can have a chance to run or gear up or bank your stuff ect. Oh and no more full loot that's such BS. I can't be blamed for dying. I mean I'm awesome at pvp but 2v1 is just no fair. Once someone attacks you you should be invulnerable to everyone else until the fight over. And give me 30 seconds so I can loot my own mobs. And where the hell are my levels?!

[IcyFlame]

The mount system is perfect, why the hell should you be aloud "safety despawn" first thing that jumps to mind, is all someone has got to do is attack you and disrupt you packing it up, you cant mount to escape because there is your "safety" period where no-one can mount, you get killed and your mount stolen anyway. its just stupid. and why the hell should you be aloud to dismount under the safety of towers with no risk.

[Llewen]

Stealing or killing mounts should result in rogue status.
I really dont understand why AV implement alligment system that rewards thievery and punish people that want to defend their mount (aligment hit for killing someone hitting your mount).

Mount spawned from figurine still belongs to someone who spawned that mount - if someone else try to steal it he should be marked rogue (stealing mounts should be possible, but thief should ruuun, not hide in city near guard tower...). If mount is left unattended (ie 1 min after spawning / dismounting) it goes "grey" and anyone can take or despawn it without going rogue.

This exactly. The current situation where you can attack or steal mounts with no consequences is ridiculous, and should be fixed. You can call me a carebear if you like, but frankly, in my opinion the real carebears are the players that don't have the balls to accept the consequences of their actions.

You want to be a thief, or kill someone's mount? Great, I'm not saying that you shouldn't have that option. But the owner should be able to defend her mount without going criminal herself or taking a murder count. And if you steal inside city limits, the guards should wipe the floor with your ass... ;)

Although the whole issue of stealing and npc guards/towers is a tricky one. In my opinion you should have to actively call the guards, the way you used to in UO, if someone attacks you or tries to steal your mount. They shouldn't be omniscient and omnipotent as they currently are, and I would prefer that they weren't these magical mystical towers either.

As has been said many many times by many, including myself, I would much prefer a system of strong, but not unbeatable, npc guards, over the current tower system...

[Deharak]

This exactly. The current situation where you can attack or steal mounts with no consequences is ridiculous, and should be fixed. You can call me a carebear if you like, but frankly, in my opinion the real carebears are the players that don't have the balls to accept the consequences of their actions.

You want to be a thief, or kill someone's mount? Great, I'm not saying that you shouldn't have that option. But the owner should be able to defend her mount without going criminal herself or taking a murder count. And if you steal inside city limits, the guards should wipe the floor with your ass... ;)

Although the whole issue of stealing and npc guards/towers is a tricky one. In my opinion you should have to actively call the guards, the way you used to in UO, if someone attacks you or tries to steal your mount. They shouldn't be omniscient and omnipotent as they currently are, and I would prefer that they weren't these magical mystical towers either.

As has been said many many times by many, including myself, I would much prefer a system of strong, but not unbeatable, npc guards, over the current tower system...
There shouldn't even be guard towers. Guard NPC's sure but guard towers are for fags.

[MillionAlts]

Yet another "let me beat on teh noobz!" thread. You wanna steal horses cos it's hardcore? Fine. oh, you don't want red status for it? Who's the carebear now?

Historically, horse rustlers got hanged. Rightly so.

That's only half of it. There's an inconsistency in the logic.

Same race horse stealing: If I kill you and gank you (and steal the horse statue), I take -12 alignment and a lightning bolt for good measure. Oh, and I'm red. That horse had better be pretty fast...

If I wait till you get the mount out, and then steal it, it's perfectly legal. In fact, if you try to kill me for it, you're the criminal.

No consistency in the logic = fail.

Horse rustling is a fun mechanic, but inside the guard towers it should net you red status, because you're a scumbag and a traitor to your race.

[Troianman]

I am personally of the opinion that nothing should be done in this game in any form of "safety", including despawning a mount. I like that it takes only a click to spawn your mount and maybe the despawn timer could use a little tweaking, maybe I say. But any form of grace period in this game is a bad idea. If you want to keep your stuff then learn the best possible ways to keep that stuff. But this is not a game of Monopoly or Life and you will not have an overall worth that determines your spot after everything is all said and done so singular items in the long run are pretty irrelevant.

[MillionAlts]

I am personally of the opinion that nothing should be done in this game in any form of "safety", .

easily sorted. Go red, and stay red. All the lack of safety you could ever need :lmao:

Oh... and the dude who goes horse rustling in a hooded thief outfit... kudos!

[Troianman]

easily sorted. Go red, and stay red. All the lack of safety you could ever need :lmao:

Oh... and the dude who goes horse rustling in a hooded thief outfit... kudos!

I'm curious to see what kind of mount thief videos get posted in the next several months so long as they are legit and not staged.

And as previously stated, NOTHING should be safe. Therefore one's alignment status should have nothing to do with safety, especially in a free for all environment.

[MrShine]

the ONLY thing I would argue needs tweaking with mounts right now is that you should go gray if you attack a mount while someone is riding it. You should however receive no alignment penalty for killing a mount, and you should be able to steal them without an alignment penalty.

[theguruofreason]

What this means is that a smart player shouldn't dismount in unfriendly territory. This means that you shouldn't be riding around in town, period. This means that a wise player will dismount prior to entering a town, and will only spawn a mount once they are away from the rest of the populace there.Please explain to me how a friendly NPC town is considered "unfriendly territory"? :bang::bang:
But you are a fucktard and have no common sense, you should NEVER ride your mount into a npc city unless you want it to die or get stolen. It's just common sense, even riding your mount close to town can be dangerous.And why is it "common sense" that riding a mount into a friendly NPC city will get my mount dead or stolen? It would seem just the opposite. :bang::bang:

Mr. Shine I understand that there would be negative consequences, but to say that you shouldn't be able to ride a mount in town safely, while you can do EVERYTHING else in town safely is just ridiculous. It is a broken mechanic that makes no intuitive sense whatsoever. Frankly, it's just a way for people to grief unsuspecting new players easily without consequences.

But like I said, I understand what you posted as negative consequences, so can we perhaps agree that something (not necessarily a grace period) should be done to protect dismounting/riding in town? Or is all reason lost?

[rwp80]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?

GTFO, Carebear!

This is the gayest suggestion I have ever heard. It flies in the face of Darkfall's ethos in every possible way. I do try really hard to always see the merit in what people say. I even pay credit where it's due to my friends and enemies alike.

This is my one and only attempt to be fair to you. The original version of this post was so obscene, I would most certainly have felt the Banhammer.


Think about the general ethos of what you're doing. Something was too hard so you asked for a safety mechanism. Tut tut.
Think about the reversibility of the actions. If you lost a mount, perhaps you could learn to steal mounts for yourself. (Hint: There's a youtube video of two nakeds working together to steal mounts from fully geared players).
Finally, do NOT go back to WoW. Mounts and gear comes and goes easy in Darkfall. Learn to deal with it and push forward. Persistence, patience, and planning will serve you well.

[fredferret22]

Please explain to me how a friendly NPC town is considered "unfriendly territory"? :bang::bang:
And why is it "common sense" that riding a mount into a friendly NPC city will get my mount dead or stolen? It would seem just the opposite. :bang::bang:


You are never safe in this game that is what the developers wanted. Not even in starter towns are you safe, ESPECIALLY while crafting, if you think you are you'll make some pk'ers very happy oneday soon.
and then you guru of reason are going to come on here and qq about how we should have an invulnerability set up while crafting becaust it isn't fair that they killed you and took your stuff in a starter city

It's part of the game if you want to exploit noobs and steal their mounts go for it, they will learn quick or rage quit. the ones that learn quick belong in darkfall.

don't go screwing around with the mounts its one of the very few things that the devs got anywhere near perfect, if anything mounts are overpowered right now


one last thing. When you get on your mount FULLY expect to lose it. Because you will. I go through 2 or 3 a day easily, they are easier to get than gear, and if anything a little overpowered like i said

[lycron]

Instead of adding a grace period..... How bout' you man up to a game mechanic that merely makes the game a little more interesting at the expense of slow learners, newbs, and idiots.
I'll take it one step farther... Add a timer for summoning mount, 5-10 sec. so there isn't any more of this 'hop on my mount and run' b.s. If people have mounts, they should EASILY be able to watch nearby enemies and give themselves enough time for just for a 5-10 second spawn to run away mounted.

[lkx]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?
Well, i don't think that a "grace period" would be a good thing.
Stealing a mount shouldn't be forbidden by game mechanics, but who steal your mount should take proper consequences.
A way to do this could be:

- Mounts take the allignement of who are mounting them, so if someone hit your mount while you are mounting it, he will go gray, if you are a good unaffiliated allied character (this of course dont work against enemy clans and enemy races)

- Mounts keep your allignement for something like ten seconds after you unmount them, so it's still possible to steal them to you, but the thief will go grey if he steal it within the ten seconds.

[Johan]

2 tears in a bucket.

[Rahkim]

Now since you are so keen on getting reasons why your idea is a bad idea, I can give you a couple.

1- As someone else has already mentioned, your suggested fix is easily griefed by players disrupting the desummoning process through abilities like knockback or launch.
2-It would be extremely annoying to dismount, only to realize that you need to wait 5 seconds before hopping back on it.
3-It would mess with PvP encounters. If you dismount, you cannot quickly hope back onto your mount. Similarly, if an enemy dismounts, no one would be able to swoop in and jack their mount from them before the 5 second period. As you can see from this one, there ARE viable reasons that the ability to jump onto any mount at any time can be used in situations other than griefing.
4- If for some reason your idea was implemented, there would need to be a visual indicator of some sort to let you know when you can, cannot jump onto a mount.

Not to mention that you could block players in with them to grief. Imagine a buncha guys w/ mounts in a starter city pinning you in and going afk for the night if you couldnt kill the mount w/o going red? Bet that'd be fucking awesome! :bang:

Please explain to me how a friendly NPC town is considered "unfriendly territory"? :bang::bang:
And why is it "common sense" that riding a mount into a friendly NPC city will get my mount dead or stolen? It would seem just the opposite. :bang::bang:

Mr. Shine I understand that there would be negative consequences, but to say that you shouldn't be able to ride a mount in town safely, while you can do EVERYTHING else in town safely is just ridiculous. It is a broken mechanic that makes no intuitive sense whatsoever. Frankly, it's just a way for people to grief unsuspecting new players easily without consequences.

But like I said, I understand what you posted as negative consequences, so can we perhaps agree that something (not necessarily a grace period) should be done to protect dismounting/riding in town? Or is all reason lost?

Would you park a brand new car on the worst street in your town and leave the doors unlocked? Fuck no, because thats not common sense. You did the equivalent of that in DF, and in DF everywhere is "the hood."

[theguruofreason]

Not to mention that you could block players in with them to grief. Imagine a buncha guys w/ mounts in a starter city pinning you in and going afk for the night if you couldnt kill the mount w/o going red? Bet that'd be fucking awesome! :bang: Your own argument against me applies here:

Don't get backed into a wall by people on mounts! GO BACK TO WOW CAREBEAR! :lmao:

Also, why can't you just get blocked in by people? Isn't it basically the same thing?

ALSO, you are completely safe while crafting in starter towns... how are you not? If you weren't, this game would be unplayable for new characters because they would be griefed everywhere rather than in the wilderness. There would be no purpose to even having starter towns if you weren't somewhat safe in them. If you're not safe in starter towns, why do people instantly run for them when jumped in the wilderness? :bang::bang::bang:

I like the idea of mounts taking your alignment while riding and for 5 seconds after much better than the grace period.

Really, what I think this thread comes down to is people who know not to ride mounts in town making fun of someone who didn't, even though there's no way to know that without scavenging the forums. Anyway, again for everyone making fun of me, I don't care about losing the mount, I just think it's a stupid mechanic. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be fixed. It's not "carebear" because it has nothing to do with PvP or even safety, just with convenience and playability. I'm not crying, complaining, or looking for pity... just like the forum is titled, this is a suggestion. So you trolls can stop now.

[Troianman]

ALSO, you are completely safe while crafting in starter towns... how are you not? If you weren't, this game would be unplayable for new characters because they would be griefed everywhere rather than in the wilderness. There would be no purpose to even having starter towns if you weren't somewhat safe in them. If you're not safe in starter towns, why do people instantly run for them when jumped in the wilderness? :bang::bang::bang:


Nowhere is completely safe, including starter towns. If a person attacks you inside the towers range they go rogue and the pew pewing begins but depending on their stats/skills you may die to them in town but chances are they will also die. However if you take multiple people in on the process to take out a newbie crafter then all you need is one person to not touch the newbie and loot up after two or so others take out the crafter. Then all they need to do is rez their friends or just snag everything and give them back their stuff afterwards.

The reason people make a mad dash for the towers if they are attacked relatively close by is attacking a blue player turns you rogue, rogue/red means you are automatically attacked by towers as soon as you are in range. So if the runner can get inside the towers range by a good distance then there isn't really a way to take them out since the attack began outside the towers range and continued inside. Though if you have enough people the previous example also would work here.

Not even a starter town is safe.

[T11Lan]

FIRST mount.....

Its life is never a good one lol

so true

this sums up all you nubs need to know when it comes to DF mounts

learn adapt profit

[journey01]

There already is a 5 second grace period. You despawn it 5 seconds outside of town.

[Froed]

How is this still being argued?

/thread, plz

[journey01]

How is this still being argued?

/thread, plz

probably because people like to tab out to the forums while waiting for their mount to despawn at the npc bank.

[Froed]

probably because people like to tab out to the forums while waiting for their mount to despawn at the npc bank.

-.-

no wonder it was so easy to steal my first mount.

[foxtroll]

Here is my point of view

- to be able to steal mount is a very good things
- not to be able to use mount to go in town is stupid

Mount should have three purpose
- mounted fight ( archery , heavy armor, ...)
- moving on great distance
- transporting more stuff

The system should allow those three aspect but its only a weapon now.

I hope we will have soon a weight limit on transported stuff ( armor, gear and bags)
I hope that farmer will have to own a horse or a cart to put wood or ore inside.


Horse shoudn't be something you re grinding. It should be bought in a stable.I would like to see wild horse and having a skill for tamming them.

Stealing horse and selling them to town should be possible. We should be able to pay for a horse in a town then give back the horse to a next town because horse should exhaust slowly but get their full stamina in a long time.

Why not getting a redflag status after stealing a horse at least during one or two minutes ?
Horse could still be stolen in town but the thieve should have to be better ... probably more interessant !

[Valaska]

easily sorted. Go red, and stay red. All the lack of safety you could ever need :lmao:

Oh... and the dude who goes horse rustling in a hooded thief outfit... kudos!

Well just don't let me steal your mount.. Lol free mount was awesome thanks for the drake =].

[Iversen]

I'm on the fence about mount stealing, but attacking and killing a mount without risk or consequence is unacceptable.
I've yet to see anyone offering anything resembling an inteligent defense for it and I doubt I ever will. Attacking mounts with (friendly) players on should flag you. End of story.

[lkx]

I'm on the fence about mount stealing, but attacking and killing a mount without risk or consequence is unacceptable.
I've yet to see anyone offering anything resembling an inteligent defense for it and I doubt I ever will. Attacking mounts with (friendly) players on should flag you. End of story.

Yep, i consider that a gamebreaking issue.
Mounts should inherit the alignement of their rider for rogue purposes. There is no valid point to be able to kill the mount of somebody under his ass where he can't fight back without suffer rogue/allignement consequences.

(Maybe they can also keep the inherited alignement for something like ten seconds after dismounting, but it isn't a big deal)

[Darkoon_]

To me, stealing a mount then have the alignment system protect them makes the thief "carebear" and an exploit.

[Valaska]

To me, stealing a mount then have the alignment system protect them makes the thief "carebear" and an exploit.

Don't get off your mount right beside a bank then.

Having the mount being attacked flagging a person would be neat, long as there would be a like 15 second or so time where you can attack the mount, for us thiefs when we steal we don't get away without some repisal lol. More fun that way ;).

[kdchan]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?

U FAIL a lot.

[Renoroc]

I've got a better one. I went to Shoal to buy taming and a whistle for the 2 steedgrass I had. After doing so I approach the bank and grab the steedgrass and make my 2 mounts.

Out of nowhere I get hit with knockback and land in the acid pool in front of the bank. I float to the top and head for the ramp having 1/4 of my HP left when I get there just to find the shitheads buddies standing at the bottom of the ramp to block me getting out.

Lost all my gear (decent at best) and both mounts. Talk about a shitty thing to happen in a starter city, lol.

P.S. I agree that killing mounts or stealing them a few seconds before/after dismount should have some type penalty involved. Call it carebear if you want, but the towers were not put in game to protect thieves. They were put there to help the new guys get into the game and gain enough experience to stay. AV does not want people immediately run back to whatever MMO they came from.

[Llewen]

I think we've all had shitty things happen to us. But in my opinion, it is the very fact that shitty things can and do happen, that makes the good things when they happen, all that better.

[lkx]

I think we've all had shitty things happen to us. But in my opinion, it is the very fact that shitty things can and do happen, that makes the good things when they happen, all that better.

what?

[Llewen]

Reading comprehension problems?

[FlashyFoxy]

Ok, I havent played the game yet, so please correct me if I say something wrong.
I understand that your mount can be taken the second you dismount it? isnt that kind of rough? What happens to the thief afterwards? because the way I see it, its like walking into a restaurant, taking of your coat, and hanging the coat over the back of your chair. And then, before you can sit down somebody would run by and snatch the coat of the chair and take off with it, isnt that kind of strange? stealing a mount seems as provocing as simply attacking someone, so you would think it would never happen. However this topic proofs otherwise, is a situation like this common?

Oh and I know this game is very hardcore, and thats why Im looking forward to playing it, but personally, stealing a mount would be reason enough for me to start a fight(/chase) to death.

[Fro]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?
Or you could not be an idiot.

[theguruofreason]

Flashy, here's the current situation:

Mounts are perminantly "gray", which means they can be attacked no matter what's going on. This means that blue players can attack your mount in city without any penalty. Furthermore, mounts take ~2 seconds to despawn, and can be stolen in town by anyone without any penalty.

For these reasons, no one rides mounts in towns. Any players that do are likely to have them killed/stolen with no penalties to the theives/murderers. My point is that it's not "hardcore"... it's just completely unintuitive and convoluted; you have to dismount/recall a mount a bit outside of town and away from ANYONE you don't trust, or you're likely to have it rustled.

[Froed]

Flashy, here's the current situation:

Mounts are perminantly "gray", which means they can be attacked no matter what's going on. This means that blue players can attack your mount in city without any penalty. Furthermore, mounts take ~2 seconds to despawn, and can be stolen in town by anyone without any penalty.

For these reasons, no one rides mounts in towns. Any players that do are likely to have them killed/stolen with no penalties to the theives/murderers. My point is that it's not "hardcore"... it's just completely unintuitive and convoluted; you have to dismount/recall a mount a bit outside of town and away from ANYONE you don't trust, or you're likely to have it rustled.

Well, that doesn't say 5 second grace period to me, son.

What needs to happen is:

Mounts must be the same alignment as their rider (killing one yields only a small alignment hit, if any)
You go rogue for climbing onto/miniaturizing a mount that you did not summon (unless it was summoned by someone in your group/guild)

[Llewen]

What needs to happen is:

Mounts must be the same alignment as their rider (killing one yields only a small alignment hit, if any)
You go rogue for climbing onto/miniaturizing a mount that you did not summon (unless it was summoned by someone in your group/guild)


That's the best idea about this that I've seen yet. The only change I would make to that is you only go rogue for mounting/unsummoning a mount that is blue to you that you did not summon.

[Scrappy_Doo]

Go back to WOW carebear.

I think that will pretty much sum up all of the answers you'd get to this lame post. Don't dismount near people. You're lucky they didn't kill your mount for riding it into town.

Its odd that ppl post this type of response to a suggestion like this. Yet when I posted an idea to try to create more pvp and get everyone in the game involved in pvp I get flack for "forcing" ppl to pvp and told that its thier right to be carebears. Would you ppl make up your mind already....

[theguruofreason]

Well, that doesn't say 5 second grace period to me, son.

What needs to happen is:

Mounts must be the same alignment as their rider (killing one yields only a small alignment hit, if any)
You go rogue for climbing onto/miniaturizing a mount that you did not summon (unless it was summoned by someone in your group/guild)
sounds GREAT to me. That's what I was getting at when I posted this originally. I just think that it's too easy for rustlers to rustle. Those who are against more challenge when rustling are pansies in my mind.

[DwellerBelow]

FIRST mount.....

Its life is never a good one lol

I handed my first Death Pig to some Dorfs.

Rode right up to their tower, zap zap zap, round and round in paniced circles I rode, practically droped it in their laps. I can still recall the looks on thier Dorfie faces... It was a hoot.

OP has had a typical experience.

[Septus]

Do you idiots have any idea what would happen if AV implemented this shit?

24/7 mount griefing, I would pile mounts around banks with my buddies and keep mounting dismounting.

Also, what Meta said (I knock back you and take your mount, gg moron).

You just admitted this is a learning curve for you but you're so quick to just throw out a retarded opinion based on a stupid mistake.

[Viluin]

I've got a better one. I went to Shoal to buy taming and a whistle for the 2 steedgrass I had. After doing so I approach the bank and grab the steedgrass and make my 2 mounts.

Out of nowhere I get hit with knockback and land in the acid pool in front of the bank. I float to the top and head for the ramp having 1/4 of my HP left when I get there just to find the shitheads buddies standing at the bottom of the ramp to block me getting out.

Lost all my gear (decent at best) and both mounts. Talk about a shitty thing to happen in a starter city, lol.

P.S. I agree that killing mounts or stealing them a few seconds before/after dismount should have some type penalty involved. Call it carebear if you want, but the towers were not put in game to protect thieves. They were put there to help the new guys get into the game and gain enough experience to stay. AV does not want people immediately run back to whatever MMO they came from.

Newb, all the hardcore alfar know you never go for the ramp when you get knocked into acid. Go for the small patches of land at the edges of the pool.

[janarick]

I've got a better one. I went to Shoal to buy taming and a whistle for the 2 steedgrass I had. After doing so I approach the bank and grab the steedgrass and make my 2 mounts.

Out of nowhere I get hit with knockback and land in the acid pool in front of the bank. I float to the top and head for the ramp having 1/4 of my HP left when I get there just to find the shitheads buddies standing at the bottom of the ramp to block me getting out.

Lost all my gear (decent at best) and both mounts. Talk about a shitty thing to happen in a starter city, lol.

P.S. I agree that killing mounts or stealing them a few seconds before/after dismount should have some type penalty involved. Call it carebear if you want, but the towers were not put in game to protect thieves. They were put there to help the new guys get into the game and gain enough experience to stay. AV does not want people immediately run back to whatever MMO they came from.

Another example of the quality of DF player-base :p

[NizeGuy]

Go back to WOW carebear.


Go back to WOW carebear.

Please, grow up :)

[timmywimmywoo]

You guys ever try jumping onto a horse that didn't know you and trying to make it cooperate? I reccomend you try it next time your passing a field or if your a city dweller, try taking a really big dog you don't know out for a walk and see what happens. I reckon if you've had the mount for a while, it should demonstrate some kind of loyalty. Either that or it gets sent to the kitty food and glue factory.

I think the game should be as brutal as possible but based on real life logic.

Badmoon Darkpaw

Fippy for president!

[Rhasta]

Timmywimmy please stop posting stupid suggestions and learn to play god damn game, i usualy dont bash newbies but you are posting more on the forum than actualy playing a game.

[timmywimmywoo]

rasta,
im at work and have no GFX card on this machine. Is it alright with you if i continue to post and play later?

oh and i don't think mount loyalty is a stupid idea. You might not agree with it but it is at least a valid point. Your's is mainly about me. If you want to discuss me, start a new thread tard, and stop flaming.

[blahblah]

god people bitch about the stupidest shit..

why was this even approved to be posted.

so you are a newb who made a dumb mistake and now you want the devs to write a ton of code to fix it so you can't be an idiot..

you realize that this mechanic works for boats, rafts, warhulks, etc.. its not like some little switch they can change to fix your stupid problem..

everyone else seems to be doing just fine..

[riffordy]

we should also get a 5 minute break every hour to relinquish our bladders.


shurely AV wont support bladder infections and disgruntled customers.


i have resorted to having a bucket in the nearby proximity so that i can relieve myself if ever the time comes.

[blahblah]

we should have a TIME OUT function to so that when we start to get owned we can call time out with no hitting for 1 minute..

and while we are at it lets make it to where they cant loot your body..

hell while we are at it lets just get rid of PVP all together..

[Wulfyn]

It may have been a "dumb" mistake, but that doesn't mean it's a good mechanic. What I find carebear is how you can insta-spawn a mount and ride away from the middle of a fight.

I think it makes more sense to put a 5 second summon time on it and an instant package timer.


I've never had a mount stolen and I find this mechanic adds nothing to the game.

[Gestas]

The non carebear way to approach this..

Put a 5 second spawn timer to get it out THEN keep the 10 seconds despawn..

Everyone is happy.


BTW If you effectively habe a stable in your backpack what loyalty is there?

[BluesFunk]

Ok, ok, I'm a stupid newb and the first thing I did after buying my first mount is ride to the bank, dismount, and TRY to repackage it, when someone swooped in, jumped on it, and rode away, nothing I could do...

Why don't we have a 5 second grace period after dismounting where NO ONE can mount it, but you can repack it? This would make riding from town to town feasible, but still allow mount stealing if you leave it for more than a moment.

Thoughts?

No. A thousand times over no. Stop being careless. You can still ride from town to town.. you just have to spend *GASP!* 8 seconds packing it up outside of town or wherever there aren't any players.

[Drogghedda]

Well mounting and dismounting is really stupid here...it's not about the "tough Darkfall" or something, this is not makeing Darkfall more RP or HC... it's just useless and annoying. There is no problem in dismounting somewhere in front of or behind the city (cause if someone ride the mount in the city... there will be at least five naked players waiting for someone to dismount) but it is just degrading and time consuming.

Some delay to shrink/mount the mount or criminal makeing of someone steeling it could help a lot. It's not influencing your precious PVP or makeing this game soft...it just makes more sense...

[sirgarycoleman]

Once you start the despawning process, nobody should be able to mount it. That's just dumb.

Honestly, I don't think the Devs even thought this one through otherwise it wouldn't be the way it is.

I've NEVER had my mount stolen, but I still think it's dumb how I have to go run somewhere isolated before I can even get off my mount.

[Humblepower]

All the replys to this thread show me this one fact. Everyone wants more ways to grief people in darkfall, and if you dont agree your a "carebear" jesus grow up people. Stop using your rhetoric terms anytime they want to fix something that should of been in place a long time ago.


The more you grief, the more people will inveitably quit, and you'll have your sandbox with an satisfactory number to create competitive pvp, and theres nothing av will be able to do about a shitty player base.

[Oystersauce]

Why?!

Because as much as you dont' like it, it's these things that make the game interesting. if you remove mount ninjas, remove noob killing, remove talking to the enemy, remove killing the same race as you, etc. you end up with world of warcraft.

[Uzik]

Stealing/hitting mount should cause you to go gray.

[Bloodgloom]

Overall this problem is rather minor.

I don't agree with the op's suggestion on how to fix mounts, but i do agree that you should be able to ride a mount into a newbie town without it getting killed/stolen. I think this problem would require a bit of coding that would be better spent on other things.

That being said, my suggestions on how to fix this are:

1) Attacking someone else's mount while they are riding it should flag you rogue.

2) Create a "stable master" npc in towns which you can ride up to and click on to instantly despawn your mount. (This would become the new popular place to gank people you are at war with)

[TooL]

Pet ownership would work much better in this situation. You have to kill the owner before you can ride the pet. Same for boats and other seige equipment.

[Ornate]

Stealing or killing mounts should result in rogue status.
I really dont understand why AV implement alligment system that rewards thievery and punish people that want to defend their mount (aligment hit for killing someone hitting your mount).

Mount spawned from figurine still belongs to someone who spawned that mount - if someone else try to steal it he should be marked rogue (stealing mounts should be possible, but thief should ruuun, not hide in city near guard tower...). If mount is left unattended (ie 1 min after spawning / dismounting) it goes "grey" and anyone can take or despawn it without going rogue.

cause in this game if you do a mistake you pay triple :D

[SwordShadow]

Agree with person who said should take 5-10 seconds to summon mount.

[smootrok]

Wow, I've read a lot of disagreing replies on your commend.

I kinda feel the same about the mounts. I never had the problem of one taking my mount, but I hate running away to find a safe spot to summon my mount. It would be nice to have a 5 second owner time, summon and unsummon. If you are too late after that... too bad.

[Blackdfl]

I ride my mount in town all the time - the only thing that ever bothers me is the people trying to kill it just because they can without penalty. Never had one stolen before. Just got to be careful where in town you are when you dismount and who is around. If you are semi-near other players be sure you have line of sight on them while you recall the mount. If they start running for it just remount.
:ohno:

[beltpouch]

Being able to steal a mount without penalty is not hardcore. Hardcore would be a player stealing a mount should get the title of mount thief and then be attackable anywhere with no alignment penalty. I don't understand how people can hide behind a loophole in the alignment system and call themselves hardcore :-)

Now becoming an outlaw when you steal a mount, that would be hardcore. Throw in permadeath while you are at it and that would be even more hardcore :-)

But yea, stealing within towns should make you a criminal. That is what haapens in real life anyway. Just my most humble of opinions :-)

[doomahx]

A lot of this game has been a learning experience for me, and I accept that, but this just doesn't seem necessary. It's just a ninjaloot mechanic and I really don't see any reason not to implement a fix (no one has given any reasons here).



Want a good reason? Some people like to steal mounts.

Good enough reason for me

[DarkonDraco]

Go back to WOW carebear.

I think that will pretty much sum up all of the answers you'd get to this lame post. Don't dismount near people. You're lucky they didn't kill your mount for riding it into town.

No, you should go back to WoW...it's clearly where you came from :)

(Only WoW players tell other people to go back to WoW to try to hide the fact that they play WoW.)

[Humblepower]

Pet ownership would work much better in this situation. You have to kill the owner before you can ride the pet. Same for boats and other seige equipment.

Agreed and if you attack anyone's mount in town, unless you are at war with them, your rouge and thus dead by tower. They used to hang people for stealing horses, as it should be in darkfall. This is not grand theft darkfall. Go back to your ps3 if you want to do that shit.

[isloike]

FIRST mount.....

Its life is never a good one lol

That about sums it up. Why even bother coming to the forums to ask for this to changed, just so you can dismount closer to a bank? Mount stealing is funny and a good part of the game, this is a community of dickheads and fuck ups, the idea of the game is to kill and rob those people.

[Archimedes786]

Stealing or killing mounts should result in rogue status.
I really dont understand why AV implement alligment system that rewards thievery and punish people that want to defend their mount (aligment hit for killing someone hitting your mount).

Mount spawned from figurine still belongs to someone who spawned that mount - if someone else try to steal it he should be marked rogue (stealing mounts should be possible, but thief should ruuun, not hide in city near guard tower...).

I agree. Mount stealing should totally be allowed, no safety time limit or something, but it shouldn't be without consequence. Unless you are at war with someone already if they attack or steal your mount you should be able to kill their punk butts without penalty. Or perhaps an alignment penalty for stealing and attacking the mounts.

I think some work could definitely improve this, but there are a lot of things that are still being worked out about DF. I am sure in upcoming patches something will address this.

[OpMindcrime]

Stealing or killing mounts should result in rogue status.
I really dont understand why AV implement alligment system that rewards thievery and punish people that want to defend their mount (aligment hit for killing someone hitting your mount).

Mount spawned from figurine still belongs to someone who spawned that mount - if someone else try to steal it he should be marked rogue (stealing mounts should be possible, but thief should ruuun, not hide in city near guard tower...). If mount is left unattended (ie 1 min after spawning / dismounting) it goes "grey" and anyone can take or despawn it without going rogue.

Seriously. This.

[[LoD] EE]

Stealing or killing mounts should result in rogue status.
I really dont understand why AV implement alligment system that rewards thievery and punish people that want to defend their mount (aligment hit for killing someone hitting your mount).



The game system doesn't reward thievery so much as it punishes stupidity.

[OpMindcrime]

EE;3518588']The game system doesn't reward thievery so much as it punishes stupidity.

There's no way to justify poor game mechanics allowing ANYONE to cut down/shoot down your mount & NOT go grey. The mount owner is in a lose/lose scenerio. he can't protect his property w/o going grey? but others can KILL his property, just to be an ass, & get away with their shiny blue alignment?
Give me a fucking BREAK.

[Shelikhov]

Stealing or killing mounts should result in rogue status.
I really dont understand why AV implement alligment system that rewards thievery and punish people that want to defend their mount (aligment hit for killing someone hitting your mount).

Mount spawned from figurine still belongs to someone who spawned that mount - if someone else try to steal it he should be marked rogue (stealing mounts should be possible, but thief should ruuun, not hide in city near guard tower...). If mount is left unattended (ie 1 min after spawning / dismounting) it goes "grey" and anyone can take or despawn it without going rogue.

Stealing? No. Killing? Yes.