These parents are sick

[tallefred]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/20/monitoring.kids.cellphones/index.html?iref=t2test_techmon

I understand the ones who feel it's needed for security reasons. On the other hand, what about the ones who are doing it so they can know what their children are talking about? "Opens communication??" I would think it would make your child never trust you again.

It's just wrong. Parents have the right to monitor their kids behavior, I can accept that. It doesn't give them the right to spy on them without their knowledge. This whole thing is just sickening, that any parent would do that to their kid. I hope those kids figure it out so they don't accidentally say anything personal on the phone.

[Golden_Knight]

Cell Phones have never been secure lines... Anybody who thinks they are secure to talk on is stupid...

I say monitor the shit out of your kids.... Kids do shit they shouldn't do... As a parent if you get your kid a cell phone you should know what they are using it for...

Oh and anybody who says ... oh I only got it for them encase of an emergency so they can call me... that's bull crap they would have just gotten them this (http://www.fireflymobile.com/store/glowphone/?osCsid=ck48o8tnve81l8re7adn9ea3i7)

But yes I do think they should tell there kids they are using it... But I do not think that using it is bad.. just not telling them is a dick move.

[Ziegler]

As long as I am putting food in your mouth, clothes on your body, and a roof over your head....I'll invade your privacy anytime I want.



My kids will attest to this. They also dont have cell phones. If they are somewhere they may need one for contacting me, then they get mine or the wifes.

Problem solved.

[Forgin]

Cell Phones have never been secure lines... Anybody who thinks they are secure to talk on is stupid...

I say monitor the shit out of your kids.... Kids do shit they shouldn't do... As a parent if you get your kid a cell phone you should know what they are using it for...



Kids are supposed to do stuff they shouldn't do, it's part of growing up.

[tallefred]

Cell Phones have never been secure lines... Anybody who thinks they are secure to talk on is stupid...

I say monitor the shit out of your kids.... Kids do shit they shouldn't do... As a parent if you get your kid a cell phone you should know what they are using it for...

Oh and anybody who says ... oh I only got it for them encase of an emergency so they can call me... that's bull crap they would have just gotten them this (http://www.fireflymobile.com/store/glowphone/?osCsid=ck48o8tnve81l8re7adn9ea3i7)

But yes I do think they should tell there kids they are using it... But I do not think that using it is bad.. just not telling them is a dick move.

I said that parents should be able to use it to monitor their kids, but it's fucking disgusting to not tell them. Kids have things they don't want to tell their parents, and they deserve privacy as human beings. If they want to talk to you about it they will, you have no right to spy on them. Unlike the piece of shit in that article said, privacy is not earned.

I know if my parents had ever tried this shit on me I would have never spoken to them again. No decent person would do this to their kids.

[Tiarilir]

Kids are supposed to do stuff they shouldn't do, it's part of growing up.

^

[Scully]

Kids are supposed to do stuff they shouldn't do, it's part of growing up.

Kids should be locked up in the basement until their 18th birthday.

[tallefred]

As long as I am putting food in your mouth, clothes on your body, and a roof over your head....I'll invade your privacy anytime I want.



My kids will attest to this. They also dont have cell phones. If they are somewhere they may need one for contacting me, then they get mine or the wifes.

Problem solved.

You have no right to do that. That's like saying "As long as we protect your borders, build your roads, and make your laws, we will invade your privacy anytime we want."

[Villa]

I'm worried my kids might get subverted by Christian fundamentalists via text messages and random telemarketing.
I'm all in favour of monitoring their communications if it helps to prevent them falling foul of crazy white people.

[Tiarilir]

I'm worried my kids might get subverted by Christian fundamentalists via text messages and random telemarketing.
I'm all in favour of monitoring their communications if it helps to prevent them falling foul of crazy white people.

How many do you have?

[Ziegler]

You have no right to do that. That's like saying "As long as we protect your borders, build your roads, and make your laws, we will invade your privacy anytime we want."

my kids are also..
not in trouble
making good grades
working in the community
not involved in drugs or gangs like I was at their age.

So kindly....fuck off, they're my kids, I will raise them how I see fit, including spanking them...and until the sheriff has to bring them to me for doing something wrong...the world can suck tit about it.

[SSguy]

You have no right to do that. That's like saying "As long as we protect your borders, build your roads, and make your laws, we will invade your privacy anytime we want."

We PAY for that with money.

Children don't pay their parents nor do they vote to elect them.

[Achromic]

Whenever I see one of these threads it reminds me of the MMORPG age discrimination debate. Older people who dislike "12 year old's" when in the online world because they'll act immature. Yeah some will but there's a lot of mature teens out there who aren't 1337-speaking idiots. Unlike some adults who have acted more immature than their own child. Like that little blog someone wrote when they played Asheron's call back in like 2000 or so.

It's true cellphones are easily cracked now a days 2-5 minutes and you can listen in.

But I think this is just another case of "Helen Lovejoy syndrome" "Oh won't you please think of the children". Frankly I'm getting pretty fucking tired of the children. I'll admit some children are innocent and immature and whatnot but not all of them are as innocent and or immature as people make them out to be.

Although I strongly dislike children. I think it's time to threat children as equals instead of below an adult. I find it funny that a child is constitutionally protected here in the U.S. and yet they aren't protected from stupid laws. It's just like illicit drug debates always about the motherfucking children.

I don't know what that says about the people. I don't know if they are so ingrained with their animal programming they think "I gotta protect my seedling because reproduction is the most important thing since sliced bread" or what. Frankly whenever I see the child of a person I always think "I find it funny you feel the need to waste your time reproducing, your child is just your hopes and dreams you were trying to fulfill".

And in most cases it's so true the parents are just trying to live their life through their child, look at those cases of child-actors who's parents just splurged all the money that child-actor earned.

I don't know but to me shit is getting out of hand with protecting children. It's getting to the point of are you trying to protect children or are you using them as a scapegoat for alternative motives.

[Azra'eil]

Kids are supposed to do stuff they shouldn't do, it's part of growing up.

That doesn't agate the fact that parents are responsible for their children's safety. Allowing the kid to do things he shouldn't within reason is fine but how will you how your kids definition of reason? Let your kid smoke pot but be damn sure he/she isn't doing coke.

[Forgin]

That doesn't agate the fact that parents are responsible for their children's safety. Allowing the kid to do things he shouldn't within reason is fine but how will you how your kids definition of reason? Let your kid smoke pot but be damn sure he/she isn't doing coke.

And you think listening to their cellphone calls is the wya to stop them from doing coke? It isn't. Teaching them responsibility is the way to do that.

[Villa]

How many do you have?
How many can you afford?

[tallefred]

That doesn't agate the fact that parents are responsible for their children's safety. Allowing the kid to do things he shouldn't within reason is fine but how will you how your kids definition of reason? Let your kid smoke pot but be damn sure he/she isn't doing coke.

Like I said, I'm fine with parents monitoring their childrens' phone conversations, as long as the kid is aware of it. It is a parent's responsibility to take care of their child. However, doing so without their child's knowledge is evil. They have no right, none at all, to eavesdrop on their child. It's a breach of trust, and if their kid finds out they will never, ever trust their parent again, and they will be right because any parent who will do that to a child should not be trusted. Like I said, if my parents ever pulled that shit with me they would never hear from me again.

[Weeking]

I don't know what that says about the people. I don't know if they are so ingrained with their animal programming they think "I gotta protect my seedling because reproduction is the most important thing since sliced bread" or what. Frankly whenever I see the child of a person I always think "I find it funny you feel the need to waste your time reproducing, your child is just your hopes and dreams you were trying to fulfill".

And in most cases it's so true the parents are just trying to live their life through their child, look at those cases of child-actors who's parents just splurged all the money that child-actor earned.

I don't know but to me shit is getting out of hand with protecting children. It's getting to the point of are you trying to protect children or are you using them as a scapegoat for alternative motives.

Reproduction is the only important thing for anything ever alive anywhere. Taking care of them nowadays however is a waste of effort as there are very few significant dangers to protect them from and the government is willing to do it for you, while there is enormous untapped potential to have more kids, especially for men. Raising a kid is like polishing a turd. No matter how much you rub it, it's still a turd and you have a whole lot of potential polished turds being flushed down the toilet to replace it.

[Ziegler]

Like I said, I'm fine with parents monitoring their childrens' phone conversations, as long as the kid is aware of it. It is a parent's responsibility to take care of their child. However, doing so without their child's knowledge is evil. They have no right, none at all, to eavesdrop on their child. It's a breach of trust, and if their kid finds out they will never, ever trust their parent again, and they will be right because any parent who will do that to a child should not be trusted. Like I said, if my parents ever pulled that shit with me they would never hear from me again.

If you have the balls to say it...you better mean it. My kids can trust that I will look over everything they do. That's trust you can believe in. That bravado shit of I need to be able to trust my parents wont turn me in for smoking a joint is stupidity.
I am not my kids friend, I am their protector and overseer.

[tallefred]

If you have the balls to say it...you better mean it. My kids can trust that I will look over everything they do. That's trust you can believe in. That bravado shit of I need to be able to trust my parents wont turn me in for smoking a joint is stupidity.
I am not my kids friend, I am their protector and overseer.

Oh trust me, I mean it 100%. It's a non-issue because my parents aren't scumbags and wouldn't do anything like that. They give me my space and respect my privacy, and guess what? If something comes up I know I can talk to them about it.

[jonyak]

Oh trust me, I mean it 100%. It's a non-issue because my parents aren't scumbags and wouldn't do anything like that. They give me my space and respect my privacy, and guess what? If something comes up I know I can talk to them about it.

and you are turning out oh so well.

[tallefred]

and you are turning out oh so well.

I'm a pretty decent person, besides for the whole serial killing thing...

[lilyeti]

I'm a pretty decent person, besides for the whole serial killing thing...

You killed my goat. My goat didn't have a cell phone, so this entire thread is irrelevant, What we need, is a goat protection thread.

[tallefred]

You killed my goat. My goat didn't have a cell phone, so this entire thread is irrelevant, What we need, is a goat protection thread.

Goats deserve nothing.

[Rathynas]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/20/monitoring.kids.cellphones/index.html?iref=t2test_techmon

I understand the ones who feel it's needed for security reasons. On the other hand, what about the ones who are doing it so they can know what their children are talking about? "Opens communication??" I would think it would make your child never trust you again.

It's just wrong. Parents have the right to monitor their kids behavior, I can accept that. It doesn't give them the right to spy on them without their knowledge. This whole thing is just sickening, that any parent would do that to their kid. I hope those kids figure it out so they don't accidentally say anything personal on the phone.

What would kids be doing on a phone that their parents shouldn't be able to see? If they're doing anything their parents don't want, obviously it can't be good at all. Besides, it's the parents who are paying.

[tallefred]

What would kids be doing on a phone that their parents shouldn't be able to see? If they're doing anything their parents don't want, obviously it can't be good at all. Besides, it's the parents who are paying.

Are you serious? You don't think there's a need for privacy?

You want your parents listening in when you're talking to your boyfriend/girlfriend?

Kids have a right to privacy, just like everyone else. Just because you spat them out of your vagina doesn't make them any less of a human being.

[Rathynas]

Are you serious? You don't think there's a need for privacy?

No. But when your kid is using a phone you're paying for, you have the right to know what the hell is going on in that phone.

You want your parents listening in when you're talking to your boyfriend/girlfriend?

These kids are, like, 12. They shouldn't have boyfriends/girlfriends. They shouldn't even have phones (in most cases). Besides, they can just physically talk to their boyfriends/girlfriends if it's so damn important. Like they have to deal with anything important anyway.

Kids have a right to privacy, just like everyone else. Just because you spat them out of your vagina doesn't make them any less of a human being.

No, not really. Maybe to an extent. But why should a kid who has no house of his/her own, is living off of his/her parents, makes no income, and uses his/her parents' property have the right to complete privacy? Kids aren't parasites.

[Ankh]

The parents are sick?

I hope they get well soon :(

[Ziegler]

Kids have a right to privacy, just like everyone else. Just because you spat them out of your vagina doesn't make them any less of a human being.

No they dont.
Yes it does.
That's why catholic priests cant diddle the choir boys, and kids cant drive while downing a fifth of Jack.


Kids are also rebellious and dont like haivng to abide by rules. You're showing that all too well.

[tallefred]

No. But when your kid is using a phone you're paying for, you have the right to know what the hell is going on in that phone.



These kids are, like, 12. They shouldn't have boyfriends/girlfriends. They shouldn't even have phones (in most cases). Besides, they can just physically talk to their boyfriends/girlfriends if it's so damn important. Like they have to deal with anything important anyway.



No, not really. Maybe to an extent. But why should a kid who has no house of his/her own, is living off of his/her parents, makes no income, and uses his/her parents' property have the right to complete privacy? Kids aren't parasites.

Just because the parents are paying for the phone doesn't give them the right to spy on them. If that's part of the deal, lay it out clearly beforehand.

Kids have things they don't want their parents to know. Let's say, for example, if the kid is gay, I doubt he wants his parents to figure it out by listening to him and his boyfriend having phone sex. That's something that the parents have no right to know if the kid doesn't choose to tell them.

I didn't say complete privacy. There has to be some sort of oversight, that's a parent's job. However, the kid has to know where he's alone and where he's not. Sneaking around and spying on your child is an incredible breach of trust and will end up biting you hard in the long run if your kid figures it out.

[Rathynas]

Just because the parents are paying for the phone doesn't give them the right to spy on them. If that's part of the deal, lay it out clearly beforehand.

Kids have things they don't want their parents to know. Let's say, for example, if the kid is gay, I doubt he wants his parents to figure it out by listening to him and his boyfriend having phone sex. That's something that the parents have no right to know if the kid doesn't choose to tell them.

I didn't say complete privacy. There has to be some sort of oversight, that's a parent's job. However, the kid has to know where he's alone and where he's not. Sneaking around and spying on your child is an incredible breach of trust and will end up biting you hard in the long run if your kid figures it out.

Sure, the kids should be able to know... But fuck, you have some pretty skewed ideas about kids and parenting. Exactly what kind of kid were you?

[tallefred]

Sure, the kids should be able to know... But fuck, you have some pretty skewed ideas about kids and parenting. Exactly what kind of kid were you?

Me? I wasn't a bad kid. I had very little parental supervision growing up and I ended up as a bookworm. Sorry folks, not a gangbanger, I know that's supposed to be what happens but it didn't.

For the most part I feel parents should give kids their space, but if you absolutely must know what your kid is doing at all times, at least make sure they know exactly where their boundaries are. If you lie to them they will know.

[slugy]

Kids are supposed to do stuff they shouldn't do, it's part of growing up.

shit i loved doing crap i was not ment to do when i was growing up.

[Rathynas]

For the most part I feel parents should give kids their space, but if you absolutely must know what your kid is doing at all times, at least make sure they know exactly where their boundaries are. If you lie to them they will know.

But they won't know what's going on at all times. It's just a fricken phone. Only lardasses and dumb blonds use them to communicate every minute of their lives. If you're doing anything beyond arranging plans or casual chatting obviously something is going on that the parents should know about.

I do agree the kids should know, though. Still, it's not a big deal if they don't.

[tallefred]

But they won't know what's going on at all times. It's just a fricken phone. Only lardasses and dumb blonds use them to communicate every minute of their lives. If you're doing anything beyond arranging plans or casual chatting obviously something is going on that the parents should know about.

I do agree the kids should know, though. Still, it's not a big deal if they don't.

Of course it's a big deal. It's not right. It's a lack of respect on the part of the parents.

It's not necessarily something the parents should know about. What if they're throwing a surprise party for mommy and she hears about it? Have you thought about that?

No, you obviously did not.

[Natdaprat]

I'd never invade my kids privacy beyond walking into their room or watching them from the window. They've got to make their own choices and that means I don't have to watch them make them. Their choices will not include meeting older people as through years of discipline and respect they come to me about stuff they want to do. That's possibly as far as a parent should go with invading privacy.

[Rathynas]

Of course it's a big deal. It's not right. It's a lack of respect on the part of the parents.

It's not necessarily something the parents should know about. What if they're throwing a surprise party for mommy and she hears about it? Have you thought about that?

No, you obviously did not.

Kids should be respecting the parents.

[tallefred]

Kids should be respecting the parents.

Kids do respect their parents. I have a lot of respect for my parents, and I come to them with issues I have. I know I can trust them not to spy on me or to judge me, and therefor I trust them with my problems. If a kid does not respect their parents, the parents are doing something wrong.

Respect goes both ways. If parents don't respect their kids, their kids will not respect them.

[Forgin]

Rathynas for a 16 year old girl you have some pretty weird ideas about how much privacy you deserve.

[Natdaprat]

Rathynas for a 16 year old girl you have some pretty weird ideas about how much privacy you deserve.

It's like she wants to be caught with a boy by her parents...

[tallefred]

It's like she wants to be caught with a boy by her parents...

Hey, don't judge.

[Rathynas]

Rathynas for a 16 year old girl you have some pretty weird ideas about how much privacy you deserve.

Well, I don't do dumb shit and I'm sick of self-righteous, pretentious, 12-year-old brats. So thar.

[tallefred]

Well, I don't do dumb shit and I'm sick of self-righteous, pretentious, 12-year-old brats. So thar.

It's self righteous and pretentious to not want your parents watching you change?

Also, you're not 16, and I doubt you're female.

[Achromic]

Kids should be respecting the parents.

That's like saying kids should respect their elders. I don't think they should at least not completely.

There's numerous proverbs of old which say "The elders are the wisest of society" or "Respect your elders because they are very wise".

If the elders of society are so wise why do they make such stupid decisions. Like we see now with economic issues and all that. Even parents are to blame for their own lackluster choices in life.

Your parents ask for your respect, funny, you don't ask for respect, you already have it. That reminds me of gang members who think their shit don't stink and do shit to earn it when no one but their pathetic clic would notice.

[Forgin]

Well, I don't do dumb shit and I'm sick of self-righteous, pretentious, 12-year-old brats. So thar.

You'll think exactly like that about your 16 year old self in 4 years.

[Forgin]

That's like saying kids should respect their elders. I don't think they should at least not completely.

There's numerous proverbs of old which say "The elders are the wisest of society" or "Respect your elders because they are very wise".

If the elders of society are so wise why do they make such stupid decisions. Like we see now with economic issues and all that. Even parents are to blame for their own lackluster choices in life.

Your parents ask for your respect, funny, you don't ask for respect, you already have it. That reminds me of gang members who think their shit don't stink and do shit to earn it when no one but their pathetic clic would notice.

Their elders helped build the world in which they are living, the made the society of which the kids now profit. You should have some respect for that.

[Natdaprat]

Their elders helped build the world in which they are living, the made the society of which the kids now profit. You should have some respect for that.

They also fucked it up.

[tallefred]

Their elders helped build the world in which they are living, the made the society of which the kids now profit. You should have some respect for that.

Yes, they left us with one hell of a mess to clean up.

[Forgin]

They also fucked it up.

Yes, they left us with one hell of a mess to clean up.

Yes but neither of you will do shit to clean it up. And when your old you want some respect too right?

[Natdaprat]

Yes but neither of you will do shit to clean it up. And when your old you want some respect too right?

I'll have you know I spent my day building a children's hospice!




Ok so I drank lots of beer at the pub.

[tallefred]

Yes but neither of you will do shit to clean it up. And when your old you want some respect too right?

What! I protested it on the internet!

[Forgin]

I hope to grow old on these forums, and all the newbs joining will show me much respect and my postcount will be over 100000, it will be grand.

But Darkfall will die long before that :(

[Natdaprat]

I hope to grow old on these forums, and all the newbs joining will show me much respect and my postcount will be over 100000, it will be grand.

But Darkfall will die long before that :(

Forumfall may be dying, but we must work to keep OT alive. Even if our lives are a complete failure we can die knowing we helped a just cause.