Jackie-Chan Chinese people need to be controlled..

[Killuminati]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090418/entertainment/china_people_jackie_chan

Fuck, I no longer love Jackie-chan. His old age made him a douche.

[[O]_Fawkes]

"We Chinese need to be controlled".

Famous last words.

[Poacher]

No control means Chinese people can do what they want.

Wow, I've never looked at it that way. This is what happens when actors think success = intelligence. They should be happy with their position in life and stop trying to actually think things through.

[Killuminati]

No control means Chinese people can do what they want.

Wow, I've never looked at it that way. This is what happens when actors think success = intelligence. They should be happy with their position in life and stop trying to actually think things through.

I think when you're famous you automatically think your opinion is somehow important. Just look at any hollywood actress who likes to talk nonsense about the US.

[Poacher]

I think when you're famous you automatically think your opinion is somehow important. Just look at any hollywood actress who likes to talk nonsense about the US.

Their opinion is important: all the mindless masses that read gossip magazines and tabloids will automatically agree with them.

They have a responsibility to stop each other leading our masses astray, because we all live in a society where this same mindless mass gets a voice in matters!

Damn famous idiots, they should have mandatory education courses for anyone famous enough to be on the news.

[biggunsar]

Their opinion is important: all the mindless masses that read gossip magazines and tabloids will automatically agree with them.

They have a responsibility to stop each other leading our masses astray, because we all live in a society where this same mindless mass gets a voice in matters!

Damn famous idiots, they should have mandatory education courses for anyone famous enough to be on the news.

very true. And the scary part is when they start to dive into politics. They can influence nations with their insane dribble.

[Poacher]

very true. And the scary part is when they start to dive into politics. They can influence nations with their insane dribble.

I die a little inside when I hear random celebrities with absolutely no intelligence or qualification on a matter giving their opinions on the subject. Political analysts tell us what the parties are up to, why the world is the way it is, and what recent developments mean for whatever nation is concerned with them, not people whose only skill at life is hardcore LARPing.

Edit: On that note, I wonder if Hyperion has any celebrities amongst their ranks?

[Forgin]

We should have American celebs thinking liek that

[Hitom]

That Fighting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ttyvbhbsQ) movie looks kinda cool.

[GFH_Spike]

I die a little inside when I hear anyone with absolutely no intelligence or qualification on a matter giving their opinions on the subject.

I broadened that for you. There's no need to single out the celebrities when we have a world filled with idiocy.

[palo god]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090418/entertainment/china_people_jackie_chan

Fuck, I no longer love Jackie-chan. His old age made him a douche.

Why do you care about what he says?

[1998altima]

Why do you care about what he says?

DING DING DING We Have a WINNER!

If people did not hold celebrities in high regards then the world would be a better place.

[Scully]

People are stupid and need to be controlled, like a herd of sheep.

[Death's Chill]

I wonder how much he was payed to say that.

Seriously. I just can't believe he said that of his own will without being influenced by paper.

[irpowa]

"If we're not being controlled, we'll just do what we want." -JC

with insight like that, i have a hard time disagreeing.

[Largion]

Got me thinking of this thread http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=178804

[GFH_Spike]

As a qualifier of my previous statement, and in spite of their ignorance and flawed ideologies, some celebrities have contributed more to improving the human condition than everyone on this thread will manage in a lifetime. Attribute that primarily to financial resources and the desire to sustain a positive image, but it is a fact that can't be disputed.

[Death's Chill]

As a qualifier of my previous statement, and in spite of their ignorance and flawed ideologies, some celebrities have contributed more to improving the human condition than everyone on this thread will manage in a lifetime. Attribute that primarily to financial resources and the desire to sustain a positive image, but it is a fact that can't be disputed.

They're targets to be manipulated, regardless of their intentions. Either through false editing or misleading comments taken out of proportion by the media, to straight up bribery.

[The Cougar]

It makes sense, because in China freedom is the greatest evil.

[GFH_Spike]

They're targets to be manipulated, regardless of their intentions. Either through false editing or misleading comments taken out of proportion by the media, to straight up bribery.

Targets that others wish to manipulate, I agree with, but regardless of their portrayal in the media or involvement in controversial activities (case in point), the wealth is often being spent in a beneficial manner that no one here can match.

I find it ironic that those who complain the loudest tend to contribute the least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_chan#Entrepreneurship_and_philant hropy

[Killuminati]

Why do you care about what he says?

Just a fan of his, so it bothered me. :( I'm sure you cream yourself whenever you hear Ron Pauls opinions.


DING DING DING We Have a WINNER!

If people did not hold celebrities in high regards then the world would be a better place.

Yes, but as of now people care, and they love watching/reading people magazine and all that shit about what celebrities are doing and shit. So it does affect peoples opinions.

As a qualifier of my previous statement, and in spite of their ignorance and flawed ideologies, some celebrities have contributed more to improving the human condition than everyone on this thread will manage in a lifetime. Attribute that primarily to financial resources and the desire to sustain a positive image, but it is a fact that can't be disputed.

Yes, and they also do a tremendous amount of harm with their ideas. For example Bono's crusade on poverty with the help of the IMF allowed for corrupt dictatorships in Africa to continue to thrive with the help of monetary aid which was squandered by the heads of state, while the poor were left to enjoy practically none of it.


Also, I'm not trying to downplay anything they do, but if you have millions of dollars, and a tremendous amount of leisure time because of your status of course you are able to work in philanthropy. You expect average people to drop their jobs, and save the world and spew idealistic nonsense all day long? It's the fact that they are in such a high status that its a problem.

They are entirely disconnected from the realities that average people go through so they attempt to project their values upon people that are not as well off.

[dinkfall]

Don't go on ruining my Hong Kong you bitches. It's the last bastion of liberty on the whole Earth.

[Silverhandorder]

I love Jackie Chan but I can not reconcile with that. I will just have to like him for his achievements and not something he has no idea about. He should have kept his opinion to himself :(.

[GFH_Spike]

Yes, and they also do a tremendous amount of harm with their ideas. For example Bono's crusade on poverty with the help of the IMF allowed for corrupt dictatorships in Africa to continue to thrive with the help of monetary aid which was squandered by the heads of state, while the poor were left to enjoy practically none of it.

In this case, Jackie Chan made an unpopular statement. I would suggest that people consider past actions before casting a judgement, such as referring to him as a douchebag in old age. He stated that he was confused, by the way.


Also, I'm not trying to downplay anything they do, but if you have millions of dollars, and a tremendous amount of leisure time because of your status of course you are able to work in philanthropy. You expect average people to drop their jobs, and save the world and spew idealistic nonsense all day long? It's the fact that they are in such a high status that it's the problem.

You downplay it with needless insults. I don't expect an average person to contribute nearly as much, but instead of blasting a wealthy person for his ignorance, it would behoove you to recognize that many (Jackie Chan included) are attempting to make a positive impact with their material acquisitions and social influence. Building schools, contributing money to caring for natural disaster victims, and raising awareness of animal abuse are not activities that I would deem idealistic nonsense.

They are entirely disconnected from the realities that average people go through so they attempt to project their values upon people that are not as well off.

We can at least agree on this much. There is disconnection resulting from their higher socioeconomic status and all of the implications of that. The result could be misallocation of resources, such as in Bono's case.

What I am cautioning against is a paintbrush with two colors, black and white, and applying black to celebrities across the board. Some are genuinely doing good for humanity, and even when they aren't, their intentions are worth taking into consideration.

Summary: Recognize celebrities as fallible human beings with positive and negative attributes, influenced by and influencing their environment in a multitude of ways. Some are atrociously ignorant and hateful, others are well-informed and ambitiously benevolent.

[Killuminati]

We can at least agree on this much. There is disconnection resulting from their higher socioeconomic status and all of the implications of that. The result could be misallocation of resources, such as in Bono's case.

What I am cautioning against is a paintbrush with two colors, black and white, and applying black to celebrities across the board. Some are genuinely doing good for humanity, and even when they aren't, their intentions are worth taking into consideration.

Yes, I'll concede that I am generalizing. Maybe the media just allows me to see the worst of the bunch since they are the loudest ones about their beliefs. In fact now that I thought about it. Those who usually help others genuinely aren't doing it for praise, and usually operate pretty low-key so I wouldn't be aware of all their actions.

Also, I'm more of a consequentialist so their motives, however, are entirely irrelevant to me at times.

[GFH_Spike]

Yes, I'll concede that I am generalizing. Maybe the media just allows me to see the worst of the bunch since they are the loudest ones about their beliefs. In fact now that I thought about it. Those who usually help others genuinely aren't doing it for praise, and usually operate pretty low-key so I wouldn't be aware of all their actions.

Also, I'm more of a consequentialist so their motives, however, are entirely irrelevant to me at times.

I am highly critical of the mass media as a whole. Their intentions as corporations, unlike those of individuals, are ultimately to please the shareholders and ensure as much profit as possible. That is a function of the type of organization and the environment that they are in. Reporting on the loudest celebrities and events boosts ratings, and short term goals take precedence over long term social impact.

You are correct in that many celebrities are ambivalent towards or intentionally mask their philanthropy, as is the case with any categorization of human beings that I can think of at the moment.

I take a different approach to ethics. The moral quality of a singular action itself is viewed in a consequentalist manner, but when judging the moral character of an individual, I prefer applying deontological standards. The consequence of actions themselves can be viewed independently of intention, but the same does not hold for a human being. This is obviously a quandary for the subjects of law and justice, since there is causality involved, and most seem to be hung up on retribution for wrongs committed. I won't even touch upon free will and determinism, since that would become hellish to discuss.

[Mudgutts]

it's true. with all the sharking that goes on, someone could get killed.

oh yeah..if you are sitting in a public area and see a man with a newspaper moving at you real fast, you better be wary.

there needs to be more control. well said jackie.

[Desperado[1G]]

uh oh, an opinion that is contrary to my own

clearly, jackie chan is an idiot

[Killuminati]

I take a different approach to ethics. The moral quality of a singular action itself is viewed in a consequentalist manner, but when judging the moral character of an individual, I prefer applying deontological standards. The consequence of actions themselves can be viewed independently of intention, but the same does not hold for a human being. This is obviously a quandary for the subjects of law and justice, since there is causality involved, and most seem to be hung up on retribution for wrongs committed. I won't even touch upon free will and determinism, since that would become hellish to discuss.

Yah, I guess I'm more like that. It's not like I am 100% a consequantialist, though. Otherwise I'd agree with utilitarianism, and frankly I fucking don't :bang:

[Jacques]

Realtalk:

Something like 50% of Chinese are literally stupid peasants, they farm marginal land using hand tools and many of the remaining 50% aren't much better than stupid peasants. Smart and educated Chinese support the PRC because they'd rather have stability than a bunch of stupid peasants deciding who should be in power, especially since they'd probably elect actual communists instead of the pretend communists they have in power now. Free speech is also a potential problem, the history of the CPC is rather embarrassing and if the peasants found out about it, there'd be needless instability.

[Natdaprat]

very true. And the scary part is when they start to dive into politics. They can influence nations with their insane dribble.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is the Governor of California. Now that is a perfectly normal English sentence. How did that happen?!

[Dredgon]

"I'm really confused now. If you're too free, you're like the way Hong Kong is now. It's very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic."
He might have a point, Taiwan's Parliament freaking throw shoes at each other.
I don't know the current situation there, so I won't agree 100% til I know more, but I can't ignore a statement from a person who actually lives there.

[Poacher]

"I'm really confused now. If you're too free, you're like the way Hong Kong is now. It's very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic."
He might have a point, Taiwan's Parliament freaking throw shoes at each other.
I don't know the current situation there, so I won't agree 100% til I know more, but I can't ignore a statement from a person who actually lives there.

They do?! Holy shit, I want to be in their parliament, debates must be epic.

[Barbarossa]

They do?! Holy shit, I want to be in their parliament, debates must be epic.

They could probably be persuaded to become muslim if they throw stones at one another.

[SSguy]

"I'm really confused now. If you're too free, you're like the way Hong Kong is now. It's very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic."
He might have a point, Taiwan's Parliament freaking throw shoes at each other.
I don't know the current situation there, so I won't agree 100% til I know more, but I can't ignore a statement from a person who actually lives there.

Thread winner! Its like no one else read that part.

I'd like to find out what he means by chaotic.

[tallefred]

They do?! Holy shit, I want to be in their parliament, debates must be epic.

You think that's something? I saw a vid with 2 korean whatever-the-fuck-government-thing-they-have-their members arguing, they got in a wresting match and started using using fucking jujitsu on each other. Between them and Kim Korea is the bestest place ever.

[Ankh]

Chinese people were like made for this shit, I've got 18 of them working in tandem to grind me up some DF chars to sell for millions. They have to be chained to the computers though, otherwise they'd just do what they want, and that's not what a good chinaman is supposed to do.